Has anybody been here? What are your opinions on Watts Atelier; looks pretty legit.
I follow an artist on tumblr who went to watts and they speak highly of it. she says she only started drawing two years ago (when going to watts) and now she's making money off of her stuff so...yep.
>>2480378
Honestly, if his videos on youtube of some of the classes or whatever they are. Are anything to go by, it seems pretty fucking awesome. Was able to pick up quite a bit on things I deemed myself too retarded to learn. So I like the method they have there for teaching.
I'd pay for it if I had the cash to spend.
Side note that has nothing to do with the school, just the guy in charge, Jeff Watts.
He tends to 'brag' about his own skill, then instantly tuck his tail and try to seem more humble about it. I'd prefer he either has the bragging nature, or be humble. Not both, super annoying to see a guy back down on his words instantly after saying them, over and over about the same thing.
"I'm a pretty great artist, well I mean, not to brag it's just i've been learning for years and years, you can do it too" that kinda shit.
>>2480432
whos the artist?
>>2480448
http://itsprecioustime.tumblr.com/
Wish he didn't take 2 weeks to grade submissions
Is enrolling in the digital school in the cheaper tiers worth it? Sadly I'm across the world because otherwise I would have no scruples to sign up for the actual atelier, it looks amazing.
>>2480447
I kind of like that he acts that way. He obviously knows that most art schools are trash and that with proper learning anyone can do what he does. It's less of an "I'm amazing" thing and more of like a "I'm good and you can too". It's just nice to hear him honestly speak.
>>2480535
i agree
>>2480535
I think you missed what I was complaining about. He backs down from his own opinion of himself constantly. Thats whats annoying. I don't care if he brags, its that he backs down afterwards like he said something wrong.
>>2480700
But he doesn't.
>>2480824
her stuffs pretty decent desu.
maybe not with that with type of art but with furry porn it happens.
muh excuses. never gonna make it.
>>2480824
> No average looking male would make a living at that skill level.
https://www.patreon.com/Reit?ty=h
Just out of "porn comic artist patreon" in google images. There are many more I just chose one which art looked especially bad.
It's pretty cool. The teachers are brutally honest with you but will always take time to sit down and help you out with whatever you're struggling with way after class is over. Haven't tried online, but in person it's awesome. Only gripe is that sometimes a class can get really loud with conversation, but it's usually no issue.
>>2480700
What do you mean? How is saying "I'm great, but it's because I've been drawing a long time" a bad thing?
>>2482101
There is one torrent with some workbooks but no vids.
>>2480700
"most art schools are trash"... Many people on this thread seem to say this. I went to a state school for an art degree. Its really about what you put into it. People that go into atelier type schools are usually much more motivated than your typical art student. But how is this the fault of the school? I would like to hear your honest answer.
One thing I like about Watts is that he talks about the state of mind and discipline that you need to excel as an artist. I feel that's very valuable for people like me to hear from people like him, and not enough skilled people are talking about it. When I'm feeling down on myself, his videos are on my list of things I watch to get my mind back on track.
I used to watch Ryan Kingslien but fuck if there's anyone who can turn 1 minute of content into a 20 minute video it's him.
>>2480378
Can someone post progression of someone who is taking the online program? Clicking on some profiles on the site to see students work doesn't look all that impressive.
I've been doing it for three months, the bare bones 100 dollar per month drawing one. There's tons of videos and they're all pretty long. I've watched three quarters of the head stuff and less than a quarter of the figure stuff. He talks constantly, always has good advice, watching his process for every drawing is very helpful and he talks about ways to use the material to go on and practice the subjects by yourself.
It's definitely worth the money so far, I wish I could try the painting course, but 100 dollars a month is already a bit more than I should be spending on it right now.
>>2482230
This is really what I like about watching the videos, because you get absorbed into his way of thinking about drawing and practice, it really just makes you want to grind the shit out of studies.
Anyways, I can definitely recommend it for beginners because it's going to completely sort you out and you'll understand exactly what you need to do to get good. It covers from drawing blocks and cylinders to doing fully rendered portraits and figures, and everything between.
If you do it, really dedicate yourself to it. Watch the videos multiple times, copy the drawings, copy the work books, take notes from what he says, and extrapolate the lesson to practice on your own.
Is the site viable for a noob draftsman who only uses A4 and regular pencils? They seem to be using other utensils
>>2482713
How much is it to take the painting course? What does the monthly fee allow you access to? How often is your work critiqued?
I am going to have a lot of time to devote to art and want to get good, for the most part I am self directed but am thinking this could help get me where I want to be a lot quicker?
Thanks
Pic is recent drawing
>>2482727
I've been doing most of the course with a 9x12 sketchbook, and 2H and 2B pencils. I have the conte charcoal pencils, but all I could get was shitty rough newsprint, and the charcoal doesn't seem to play well with the sketchbooks I have, it's unerasable and smears all over the place, which from watching the videos isn't supposed to be the case. Only soft newsprint I can find is expensive shit from amazon.
You can definitely do everything with just pencils. You might want to get a bigger drawing pad, just so you're not trying to draw everything all cramped up. It won't look as fancy, and you won't learn how to use a charcoal pencil to do all the nice painterly strokes, but you'll still learn the lessons.
>>2482733
The painting course is 200. I don't get critiques, you have to pay more than that. I don't remember the number, but it's more than 200. Going by the drawing course and his painting demos on youtube, I'm sure it's worth the money.
>>2482744
Welp, got the $99 one. Thanks
>>2482756
So is it the kind of thing where you could pay for a few months, study all the vids like crazy and then and then quit? Or do it on and off as you see fit? IF I am understanding you correctly it seems like you are really paying to have access to there "library" of reference material? Do they teach landscapes at all?
Btw thanks for the feedback, very helpful.
>>2482766
Yeah, you only have access while you're paying so it's definitely a situation where you want to grind the hell out of it to get your money's worth from it. You keep the workbooks, so that's something. Don't try to rip the videos because they'll go after you for it.
I don't know what's in the painting course, but there's no landscape stuff in the drawing course. I would assume he covers it in there. You could email them and ask about it.
>>2482777
Sounds great. Is a minimum amount of time you need to sign up for or is enrollment month by month?
I like to take notes when I am learning from videos and take snips of what the artist are doing to correspond with my notes. Creates great a reference to go back and restudy the material, much quicker the re watching the vid. I dont see why this would be a problem, I only need to watch a video once then go back to the notes.
Once again thank you for you time. Seems worth it at least for a month to see what they got.
>>2482794
Thanks.
>>2482825
It's per month, so you can cancel after the first month if you want
>>2480447
He is allowed to acknowledge his own skill. What kind of bubble do you live in
>>2482187
No when they say trash, they literally mean that they are garbage.
The first art school I went to taught NO theory on how to paint. No method. Nothing. First day of oil painting and I had never picked up a brush in my entire life, just done digital painting. I expected some kind of a lecture. Steps, tips, techniques, whatever. Just fucking SOMETHING.
Nope.
The teacher just set up a fucking still life in the middle of the classroom, and told us to start. We weren't taught how to block in, about values, structure, how to simplify etc. The teacher just pranced around and said "oh that looks lovely" "so interesting!" and at the most "well maybe the orange need to be a little bit bigger". Fucking post modernism. Everything is relative to them, there is no right and wrong. Many schools are like this. No fucking direction, no skills taught whatsoever. Teachers never gave demonstrations. The stuff I saw from the looked like kindergarden garbage.
And you want me to pay for that shit? Mate you gotta be taking the piss out of me...
all the instructors there are very nice and more than willing to help individually if you ask them. the atmosphere is different in every class but most are generally fun but focused, save for the uninstructed life drawing classes which are usually pretty quiet.
the place is pretty small though, to anyone going there in person. it's smaller than I thought it would be.
>>2485047
>Teachers never gave demonstrations
Because they don't know how to paint. No instructor here has any fundamental drawing skills, at least that's the reality here in Germany.
Pic related, she is the instructor for live drawing classes at an academy. We might have one of the best professors in science, but our instructors at art colleges are nothing more than scam artists.
I feel bad for you guys in this thread. My community college art teachers lecture then demo each new lesson or technique at a professional level. These same teachers then go and teach the same thing at public universities and in private lessons for double or triple the money. They just love teaching enough to make a little less. That's what you gotta find.
>>2485047
I'm assuming you're aussie, as am I. I'm studying fine art and could not agree more. The vast majority of art schools teach their students to become contemporary artists, which is very disappointing. Their own shit could be labelled as art based on how it makes them feel, which is a fucking joke. Luckily I have private tuition by an artist that knows her shit well and teaches it well. Would have loved to have gone into my degree learning more about composition, value, observation and other traditional methods of drawing and painting. Not some fuckwit being praised for sculpting her tit and putting copper shavings over it (actual students work).
>>2485047
And here I was feeling down about my school. Although I'm in an illustration program, not fine arts.
its shit desu
