Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up, make your mom proud.
AVOID asking unrelated questions, There is a question thread for that.
Visit the usual "Art book Thread" to find your desired books.
Do not forget to PLEASE RESIZE and crop your images before uploading them. 1kpx is fine.
Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," Read the f*cking sticky, it's there for a reason: >>1579290 (Cross-thread) (Cross-thread) → →
There's a new sticky in town! You can see it at https://www.reddit.com/comments/46sb9k/
>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.
TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.
Old thread: >>2464350
>>2469281
Nah, used to be a classical musician. Fundamentals are worth spending an hour a day on.
I like this guy's take on the exercise.
http://brandondayton.com/2013/06/how-to-practice-phase-1-warm-up/
>>2469286
Yay me too bruh, I'm a pianist. Scales were pure hell but they helped so fucking much with technique.
Daily reminder to not give up and remember why you started!
dumb question but
what would be a colour with the most impact on this?
red, violet, or stingy bannana yellow?
>>2469305
Closer to yellow/orange.
>>2469305
Every movie uses teal and orange poster for a reason.
>>>/fa/11104046
thank me later
>>2469298
What about the elusive spark?
>>2469305
Is that a boob on the left or a satchel or something?
>>2469278
My goal is to have at least one person tell me, either in text or in person, that they've fapped to my artwork before.
I'm a long way away unless stick figure fetishes are a thing. I'll post something tonight.
>>2469298
>remember why you started
Drawing porn of my waifu.
>>2469518
kek, I bet this is true for a lot of people
>>2469518
>>2469519
when I was 5 I copied pictures of battleships
when I was a early teen I drew caricatures of animals and soldiers
when I was a late teen I drew industrial scenery and old men
and now...
I draw anime porn.
>>2469298
>remember why you started
To draw porn and make patreon money off of chumps?
>>2469298
so i could distract myself from the crippling depression that slowly eats away at my will to live and do anything besides blindly stare at a screen and draw to the point where I realize that I am a dropout jobless, dateless virgin with no plans and nobody to make plans with?
oh wait. I mean to make a possible job opportunity and re-earn my will to live and make a bright and hopefully future for myself and my possible children.
>>2469591
Well... whatever keeps you going!
>>2469591
It doesn't get any better anon. You get the girl, fuck the shit out of her till you get tired of her shit and move on to the next while you work 12 hours making art for a soulless corporation. You're still suffering from that crippling depression the entire time but now you have not only your bitchy girlfriend that doesn't work giving you shit for having to work extra hours but your dick boss wants to see what it would look like if the character had a "more blue" hat and tells you to come in on saturday. So you just blindly stare at a screen and draw to the point where you realize when you get home that bitch is going to complain you have to work to pay the bills and you'll pray for a quick death from a stray bus.
Looking for some information of hatching lines if anyone has a page or something.
>>2469925
Ed plz go.
>>2469508
Just wiggle around on the carpet for a while before practice
>>2469925
There really isn't a lot to it, you just place lines next to each other. You just have to practice doing it, and study how other artists use it.
You can make the lines wrap around the form to convey tone. You can use hatching to to show a gradual change in tone creating a roundness, or a more sudden change showing a harder edge.
The biggest problem beginners have with hatching is that the lines need to be entirely clean and consistent. If there's any wobbling or spacing inconsistency the illusion is broken and what should appear as a subtle gradation to the viewer will just be a mess of lines.
Just find examples and copy accurately while thinking about how it works. Best way to learn any technique.
Post what's making you want to kill yourself right now
>angel wings
>ad hoc anatomy
>a gorillion feathers
>tedious as fuck to render
>will often look flat as fucking cardboard cutout
>literally impossible to foreshorten without blowing ones brains out prematurely
>difficult to compose with
end me
Started 2 days ago
>thought /i/ was the only art board
>no sticky there
I guess I'll start working through the sticky here.
Pic related is where I'm starting from.
>>2470236
>>2470236
Perspective Made Easy (Ernest Norling) is really helpful
helmet concept, that I working on right now.
Daily reminder
Even your favorite artist was trash when he or her was begginer
>>2470250
Sometimes I forget about it when I look at Edward Burne-Jones paintings and that he initially wanted to be a priest.
>>2470186
>tfw you arranged the feathers wrong
Do any of you guys have problems with getting mad as you draw? Quite often I find myself getting mad as I attempt to draw something and it doesn't turn out the right way. Is the key just patience and dedication, or is art not for me if I can't control my temper?
>>2470292
If it constantly happens, of course there's an issue. I think most people go through this though so it's okay.
>>2470292
I have problem too, patience doesn't come to some folks naturally, it seems, so you have to nurture it.
>>2470292
Quit being such a little pissy bitch then, you silly little turd.
>>2470292
If you can't control your temper, you can't control your life.
Looks like you've passed your expiration date.
>>2470292
You just gotta git gud.
>>2470292
i had issues with this in my late teens. i used to be really really bad about associating artistic ability with self-worth. i also have anxiety issues about not doing art fast enough, not being a young prodigy already, etc., though i've gotten a lot better about it
when you start getting frustrated, just take a break. go on a short walk or get a snack and watch a short episode of a show you like. when you come back, take a bit to focus on what you do and don't like about your picture before you start back up again. completing a picture is not a race to the finish (unless its commission i guess), and if you treat it like one, you're not going to learn anything
>>2470292
I don't get seriously angry but I'm constantly disheartened and frustrated with what I draw.
I just hope its something that will eventually pass the more experienced I get.
>>2469278
Are we allowed to measure the line lengths in the sticky beginner exercise? Can we use a ruler?
Or are we worse artists for it?
Hogarth day 2
Hogarth hogarth...
Which is the correct browline? Left or right?
>>2470361
For the bottom right two it looks like you're trying to include too much of the facial features for the angle that the head is facing.
>>2470368
Ok , i reminds that
>>2470364
anon you do have a face of your own, and this is a trade secret but if you press into the face a bit you can actually feel the bone structure behind it.
>>2470372
Sometimes I forget this. Thanks.
Complete beginner, should I start with Right Side of the Brain or something by Loomis?
>>2470403
Loomis is usually used as a reference for construction while Right Side is read for understanding the concepts. Reading Right Side first will help you get through Loomis easier.
>>2470403
Keys to Drawing first.
>>2469278
>499x640 ref
what a shame
>>2470237
More practice, drew a pokemon toy I have.
Couldn't get the water spout things right so I think I'll spend tomorrow drawing cylinders
Any construction errors before i start rendering?
unsure about eyes/jaw
I tried drawing the OP. It's shit, I know it's shit, you know it's shit. If anyone can offer any more reasons as to why it's shit and how it can be less shit, I'd be very grateful.
Thanks.
Just some shit I threw together today
I dont know why but the one on her knees just looks so much fucking better than the rest of them
>>2470186
thats why you're supposed to suggest detail
Is copy and study book is help for drawing with imagination in future?
I don't get it i just keep studying like fucking idiot
>>2470484
perspective of the face is off but go ahead and render it out so you can learn from your mistakes and also get some technical grindwork down
>>2470581
How do you do that though? Do you just make marks and let the brain fill in the rest or is there a specific technique to it?
>>2469502
Thanks Hitler.
Picked up Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain and Keys to Drawing a while back ago. Which should I start with?
>>2470358
no rules just tools
Can someone please tell me where I fucked up on this? At this point I'm just polishing a turd but I don't know exactly where I went wrong.
>>2470653
resize it first
>>2470653
>3300x3300
WHY ARE YOU EVEN DRAWING ON A CANVAS THAT BIG
>>2470662
>3kx3k
>big
You must be really poor.
>>2470661
>>2470662
Well, that's certainly something I forgot about.
The reason I think is that at some point a couple months ago I decided I wanted my canvas to be 11 inches at 300 resolution, and I guess I got into the habit of leaving it that way.
>>2470662
when i doodle, i doodle on at least 6x6k.
what is wrong with you?
Why some day we simply can't draw? This is so weird.
>>2470678
That's because of autism, anon.
Just upgraded to a Galaxy Note 5 yesterday so now I have zero excuse not to practice my fundamentals everyday.
Downloaded infinite painter and Sketchbook Pro and I'm very pleased with how robust they are.
Now I just need to have the FUCKING SELF DISCIPLINE to do fundamental and iterative practice drawings every day to whip these fuckin skills into shape. (wish me luck.. Or call me a faggot wannabe, one of those has got to work as motivation)
First painting-doodle-blob-bear I did on my new phone. Experimented with split screen app functionality to have a bear reference pic on a 3rd of my screen, pretty cool.
>Read Vilppu's introduction on gesture drawing
>Nothing really new, still a nice and helpful read
>Try and do the exercises
>Still can't do gesture drawing properly
>Get frustrated and go do something else
I understand the logic behind it and how it's supposed to be done in theory, but I can't do it properly in practice. Do I just try and further grind gesture drawing or should I try and focus on something else, considering that stiffness isn't my only problem?
anything immediately wrong? I fixed the intense crease on the muscle so just ignore that part but anything else?
>>2470719
I would grind for a bit.
>>2470734
Will try and bear with it then, thanks.
>>2470484
Is this worth continuing? Kinda getting burned out even tho i just came back from a brake.
Sadly this isnt just a study for me, i will actually have to show it to people so i dont wan't it have a ton of glaring mistakes.
>tfw when getting paraniod that there are tons of obvious mistakes i can't spot
>>2470812
I think you should work on it a bit more so we can see if there is any mistakes, otherwise, the bottom lip blends in with the skin, and the other eye isnt finished and she(?) is bald
>>2470825
Had a ton of struggle with the lips, as soon as i make it too dark or put an outline it looks symbol drawn.
I havent got to the eye and the rest of the head yet
>>2469518
>wants to draw porn of a character
>thinks that's his waifu
Yeah no, you're just a horny degenerate tbqh.
>>2470849
you just don't have the spark
If I draw blind contours for hours strait will my drawing abilities improve?
>>2470902
...maybe...
>>2470902
Never really understood blond contours, what are you training? Hand-eye coordination?
My first time with charcoal is there any tips on how to practice with it? Definitely cannot use like a pencil
>>2470719
>>2470746
do grind, but also try drawing along with his videos, proko featured him in a 30min one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pa_2rL1K1mg) there are also full-length lecture videos floating around somewhere
if you're an adhd retard like me who can't absorb reading because it's non-interactive that might work
>>2470994
what is that supposed to be
>>2471010
>there are also full-length lecture videos floating around somewhere
I had downloaded videos with him before, but I couldn't really watch more than handful of episodes.
>if you're an adhd retard like me who can't absorb reading because it's non-interactive that might work
I'm kind of contrary to that, I can't really sit through lectures or other video material like that, I lose focus and get bored. It's easier for me to read a book. Thanks for the suggestions though. I'll keep grinding.
>>2471013
looks like a chair
>>2471017
If you're having trouble focusing on glen's videos, you can try speed up the playback to 1.75x or 2.0x if you haven't already. He's slow as fuck.
rushed for my 15min break at work. going to try again at lunch here soon. just glad i drew something. this is my left hand
>>2471066
Thinking of the hand like this in separate forms is really helpful.
Beginning my journey to improve, picked out a random person from a magazine i had laying around as reference.
I know the face is really bad, but.. do your worst
>>2471038
>If you're having trouble focusing on glen's videos
Nah, I mean I usually have trouble with study material that's not in a book or something alike.
>you can try speed up the playback to 1.75x or 2.0x
Never thought about that. I'll give this a try, thanks.
>>2471112
I apologize in advance for that picture being gigantic - oops
from other thread because it hit its limit and I wasn't checking.
I'm noticing that my hand keeps getting stuck to whatever surface I'm writing on (tablet and paper) which causes my lines to get botched. Am I the only one, or is there a trick I'm missing?
>>2471162
Doesn't really happen to me but I think they make gloves for that. Or some people just tape a piece of paper to their hand.
>>2471162
>amazon.com
>buy cheap thin cotton gloves (6pairs/4$)
>cut off all fingers except pinky and ringfinger (of the glove, not your hand)
>???
>profit
>>2471103
even when drawing from life?
>>2471191
Especially when drawing from life. Reality is very complex, you need to abstract it in some way to make sense of it.
I tried
>>2471201
I can see the problem, it's not upside down.
>>2471183
Smudgeguard is a scam.
You pay like 30$ for one glove (half of a glove actually as the charge you that much to cut half of it away).
>>2471206
Phone auto-rotated for some reason.
>>2471198
so block it out and then smooth it to change it from boxes to a more real looking hand. You know ive seen this a hundred times but it only clicked right now. Thanks anon. ill go try that right now. post my result.
>>2471214
Yea, next time resize and make sure it's right way. It looks fine.
What equipment (like pencils and stuff) should I get and how do I know when to use a particular pencil?
>>2471221
>What equipment (like pencils and stuff) should I get
Depends on what you think is an interesting medium.
Pencil, lead holder, fineliner, ballpoint, those are pretty basic things to have.
>how do I know when to use a particular pencil?
You'll mostly just use your favourite pencil.
I would very much recommend against buying a big box of different kinds of pencils.
>>2471198
quick attempt. i have a lot of ground to cover. thank for mentioning it though and the pic you posted. it finally clicked. now to work at it
>>2471162
I hold the pen close to 70 degrees up, most of the time I'm not really touching my tablet, but I rest the pinking occasionally.
If I need to move, then I might as well be using my arm rather than wrist and I tend to get more controlled variation in pressure doing it this way.
>>2471241
I see shapes, but only one three-dimensional.
>>2471241
Spend more time on it instead of passing things off as 'quick attempts'. Studying how the hand actually works will also help you. Hogarth helps with that, vilppu if you want to learn how to make them more in a gestural fashion.
I'm working on something that involves my self portrait along with a couple of stock faces that I tried to give a sort of crude look to. I'm not sure where to take the picture. I want the five faces on the right to look jarring or somehow distorted, and maybe give the self portrait more dimension?
I would love for this to be heavily mixed media with anything that wouldn't involve collaging. So any ideas what inks or paints I could maybe work in there, or impressions with where I could take this, I would really appreciate any and all help and advice.
>>2470541
yo, did you grade this yourself?
I'm new to drawing and it hurts to constantly face how bad I am. I draw on a regular fairly regular basis, a couple of hours a day. Please tell me these feels get better, anon.
>>2471383
jesus christ dude
the entire point is acknowledging you're bad (we all had to do this) and learning about how to make what you draw not bad
if you can't get past the first step then this might not be for you because your mindset will constantly be negative
>>2471337
Nah one of my mates did.
>>2470541
Hatching style is making her face seem blocky. Too straight.
Hatching technique needs improvement.
Inconsistent white causes her face to appear deformed in places.
Work on hatching and it goes to B B.
Anons, help.
>>2470591
FBI's going to go after me anytime now for posting this.
Have to erase hard-drives.
when did beg thread get so good?
>>2471429
Don't outline the highlight
>>2471429
It's a good start. You might try being more mindful of the direction of your pencil strokes, aka having them describe the contours of the apple (like emphasizing it's roundness or the direction the shadows are cast). The darkest shadow towards the top of the apple is coming across as a crease- was that a crease in the reference? I like the look of no outlines, but you might try seeing how it looks to have more uniform edges. Right now the edges are a bit jagged, which would be good for cloth but odd for a smooth apple.
>>2471880
I don't see how this idea even makes sense.
Even if I remove all pressure from my thumb I can still maintain an even flow.
Chicken scratch is just bad habit from having not practiced straight line and curved drawing.
>>2471247
would you mind posting a pic of your setup? I'm curious how you have your table and tablet setup. I rest mine on my legs typically, which feels fairly awkward when doing larger strokes.
Don't go soft. If you can't tell what the fuck is going on, say it to me. If you think the colors are ugly and muddy as fuck, say something. If you don't like the subject matter because you can't tell what it is, well.. You get the point.
>>2472038
Doesn't look too bad. Colors are okay too, maybe a bit too desaturated in the shadows. The main issue is that you spent too much time detailing the head but the overall composition isn't there yet. i don't think rough line are enough to make the image work. But you can easily correct that.
i'm trying and trying to learn gesture movement but i really can't "exaggerate" the gesture, nah, i even make it more rigid of what it actually is
How do i fix that?
I can't even draw "chibi" characters because i feel really uncomfortable exaggerating stuff...
I plan on buying all the books recommended in the sticky. How long will it take me to study and get through all of them if I spend at least 6 hours a day on it?
I want to make up for all the time I wasted sulking around for the past few years doing nothing
>>2471423
Thanks for the advice - I'm going to go through Guptill and a couple of other books later tonight, time permitting.
Practice from last night. I realized I draw very light and I'm trying to push the darks a little more. Anyone care to give me some pointers/feedback?
Hi beginnerfriends! any changes I should do to this piece before It gets posted? thanks!
>>2472194
don't be a faggot and render the feet. Also don't hide them behind that rock alright Rob?
I tried a new approach to rendering - less mechanical than what I'm used to but I felt it worked nicely. I moved from contour drawing to blocking, rendering, and then fine detail work.
I'd appreciate any criticism you can offer. I wasn't able to finish because the Gallery had to close.
>>2472202
are you crazy anon, the legs and feet are fucked and absolutely nonsensical, rendering them further would draw undue attention to how shit they are.
>>2472194
polish the facial features and upper body a bit more I guess
just get it over with so you can post this now and move on to something else.
>>2472207
then fucking make them make sense and just fucking do it instead of making excuses.
>gee anon I can't render that anymore it's too hard!
>>2472216
>polishing turds
I shiggy
>>2472202
>>2472207
Thanks guys, polished it further. I wanted to make him look like he's sinking in the sand, so it only makes sense his feet wouldn't be fully visable. Even still you're right, the legs are fucked. I wasn't paying attention and went for the feel more then anything, keeping the focus between his bandage gloves and pretty face. At this point, I'm too far in so I'll just let it be
>>2472224
not really, I only spent 3, maybe 3 and a 1/2 hours on it, so the least I can do is but the effort in to touch it up and play with the color and feel. I'll be moving on to more studies tomorrow morning of pretty woman and gestures, this was just an outing to try something else and learn a little.
any last words before I lay this bad boy to rest?
>>2471491
Since elitist from draw threads bully out people of average quality who are just looking to get feedback, only leaving the bull headed shitties to post there. IMO beginner thread often has a higher quality. A few of them are visiting, see >>2472194
and these two
>>2472207
>>2472216
who are just overaggressive. That anon shouldn't be in this thread, but people like that will always send him back here.
critics helps
Where do I begin at the sticky?
>>2472254
oh cry about it faggot.
Any go to books for drawing American Traditional style tattoo art?
>>2472254
I agree
>>2472254
Not really. I do belong here, I just put more effort into rendering this, so it looks more put together. If it was a throwaway sketch or just some gesture there would be plenty of issues to point out. I get that your trying to be noble but I'm not the best example. The anons that responded to me were right, no matter how they said it or in what manner. You sound like the type of person that says "show your work" when they get a crit. A crit is a crit and they are always usable, no matter how sharp or harsh it seems. My feelings aren't hurt because I'm not a child. Go white knight somewhere else please
>>2472181
What grade pencil do you use? Standard 2HB? Get a test paper (preferably of the same type of paper you are using since it would be the same texture) and go wild with making light to dark. Try to do a simple shading just focusing on going as dark as you can until you fade it out into the paper color. Something like your practice from the other night could benefit with more contrast.
>>2472259
Go to step two and learn how to construct objects you are drawing. Find pictures you like or character you like and copy them free hand when you are applying your construction techniques that you are learning.
It is much easier to learn when you are doing something you want to do.
>>2472266
Holy shit a beginner with a brain! With that mentality you might actually make it. Might being the important word in that sentence
>>2472266
Thank you anon. You are right, I'll do those exercises, and post again after practicing for a while.
I'm surprised you remember the pic from the other day BTW.
>>2472272
>It is much easier to learn when you are doing something you want to do.
This is the most important piece of advice I've gotten in my entire time of doing this. Please please keep this in mind. This is all supposed to be fun.
>>2472289
Sometimes you really have to continuously push yourself to keep going though.
>>2471429
Slow down with your shading. If you go fast it will often have a scratchy look, though if you want that style do what the other anon suggested and have all the lines go in one direction. If you shade in various directions they will begin to clash as you can see with your core shadow on the apple which is dark and goes in a different direction from all the other lines outside of the shading on the edge of the apple.
Since you are doing still life it would be a real life drawing, real life doesn't have outlines so you have to use your values to go ahead and create the shapes you want.
Though good job, that drawing has a lot of the core concepts of light and dark, though it does seem like it is missing the light reflected off the table and hitting the underside of the apple to slightly lighten it up.
>>2472287
You will have a lot of trouble going dark if you use a 2H or 2HB. Get some B type pencils like a 2, 4, and 8. It will be a LOT easier to go dark and your shading will really start to pop out.
>>2472272
But I mean what book?
I have a very basic grasp of human anatomy, IE lenths and such
But everything else is a mystery
And really, I should copy other peoples work for learning purposes? Like not tracing but copying with the eye?
I was always thought I shouldnt be drawing Anime when learning, thats what I heard
>>2472314
Go with Loomis so you can get use to construction. There is nothing wrong with hand copying anime. You develop a lot of skills that can be transferable to other drawing like still life. Trying to get the correct angles that the arms and legs are going off to, getting correct proportions form the picture you are copying from, possibly getting a taste of basic light and dark, become more and more confident with drawing your lines and outputting better line quality, being able to construct objects better and possibly even faster. These are skills that can be transferred away from anime.
Might as well start with something you are interested in so you want to draw, you want to stay around and continue doing it, but as you go further and further you might want to expand yourself and push yourself further and go beyond anime if that is what originally interests you.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with copying peoples work as long as you aren't claiming it as your own. People often copy down sketches from art masters or draw from life. There is a lot to learn from a lot of areas but you have to be willing to sit down and practice it.
Your first drawing will be far from perfect, but don't get discouraged because it will probably be better than any drawing you have done before hand, that will apply more so to your second drawing and so on. So don't become distraught about what you weren't capable of doing compared to other people and remind yourself what you are now capable of doing over your past self.
>>2472314
You need to be 100% sure you know why you made a certain stroke or why you shaded in a certain way. If you are, copying is an okay way to learn. Just don't do it a lot and don't lie to yourself.
>>2472328
Im kinda happy with my line quality, when I have a guide it looks nice
(this was traced over loosely)
Ive been doing this for a while, I just thought I should start properly from scratch
>>2472341
Havent really done much shading, but I feel like I have a grasp of it
>>2472416
Should work on being able to draw arcs with one line.
>>2470541
Dont hatch
Dont use pen
Use pencil, learn to render with tone.
pencil and drawing is crucial to painting. Drawing is the fastest way to learn to paint.
It teaches you elements of lighting that are identical in painting. So make sure you don't use pen as much dude.
>>2472469
Dissagree with don't hatch.
Valid techique, but wasn't done well.
>>2470812
im thinking about leaving it like this. Need advice!
Hey, d/ic/ks,
Could anyone deliver a link with video tutorials about how to improve copying skills? Or maybe a tutorial on drawing from reference. I'm stuck, I can't get the copy right. It always looks awful. Please, help. I'm feeling I'm doing everything wrong.
>>2472481
Better to fuck it up and learn something.
>>2472481
How long have you been practicing? What have you read to improve your skills? What was the training?
>>2472485
Your pencil is your friend. Use your thumb and the end of the pencil and measure things from what you are referencing and see how they measure up to one another. Not only that but you can get the angles with your pencil if you tilt it and try to keep that angle and translate it to your drawing.
>>2472481
You have a lot of hard darks around the eyes and lips but the neck is very fuzzy and sort of blends into the jawline.
>>2472481
No, it just looks unfinished. Also the eyes are VEEERY slightly off; I think the left iris is a bit too far to the left.
i had fun with the portrait study. the blue lighting made guessing the colors fun even though i fucked up on drawing the hands and neck piece a bit.
After doing anothing drawing that didnt work out I had a bit of a panic attack and said fuck it
I have spent most of my weekend doing this and I feel like Ive gotten worse right now, or my eyes have been open to my flaws and Im looking at them more objectively
In the last like fornight Ive gotten much better, but this weekend just sucks
Should I try to break more frequently or just push though?
>>2472488
>How long have you been practicing?
Been takeing it serious for a year
>What have you read to improve your skills?
p. much the sticky. Mostly loomis, villpu and hampton
>What was the training?
Just draw a lot, i mostly do just studies
>>2472490
I hate the way i render but everytime i try to go for a more hatched / sketch style it looks even worse
>>2472533
Care to share early?
>>2472536
early what?
>>2472537
Some stuff before serious
>>2472539
This is from early 2015.
On one hand i improved a good amount but on the other everytime i finish something i get depressed because im not at the level i want to be. Its just a struggle.
>>2472550
and these are from late 2015/early 2016
>>2472558
Wow, great progress.
>>2472550
Heh, It's Tiriel
How is this?
>>2472607
Anyone?
>>2472607
Well, The lines are messy, the hatching does not follow the form and seems random, the values are off and the construction is all wrong.
Bruatly honest here, ther is not one thing thats in anyway redeeming about this. You should rally slow down and apply yourself. This looks very rushed and it seems like you didnt think at all about what you were doing
>>2472607
Hatching doesn't have any consistency.
>>2472607
if this is your first attempt practice with more simple shape
>>2472517
>>2472558
nice
I wanna be able to draw like this and without reference.
Is http://drawabox.com/ a good place to start learning? Didn't see it in the sticky, but the sticky has a million links anyway I don't know which one to start with.
>>2472677
kek im pretty sure that could be fixed with painting over where the jaw hooks up and moving to the right. the drawing was almosr perfect when i checked the overlay. thanks for pointing that out!
>>2472517
How long did that take, and how long have you been drawing for, if you don't mind sharing?
>>2472715
i started with pencil and paper summer 2014. its been a little over a year with digital painting. i probably spent a little over 5 hours on this once. that necklace was a bit of a pain.
My gestures are always so wrong that they're impossible to work off of. Are there any methods other than "blocking in" to help guide me figure out where what goes as I draw? Any terms I should google or books I should read?
3 months since i started drawing
spent a lot of time drawing cilinders, cubes and trying to understand anatomy
Can't foreshorten arms and legs for shit
Should i just kill myself?
>>2472756
yes you filthy lolicon
>>2472760
i assure you she is in legal age
What you just said is really rude toward short and flat-chested women
>>2472756
you should join the super sekrit i/c discord instead of killing yourself kohai
I feel pretty fun when i study hogarth
I hope he's books helpes me improving basic drawing skill and anatomy knowledge
>>2472774
Don't listen to him. Come, I will let you join our super sekkkrit ultra cool kids discord. Email me for more info.
>>2472756
You're on the right track, I can tell you'll be going to places keep drawing that.
>>2472774
Not him, but can I has link to super sekrit discord?
>>2472780
email me at [email protected]
>>2472774
nose oniichan!!!
Please help me with your mighty redlines :<
>>2472795
sent
>>2472795
>[email protected]
>http://nameleems.deviantart.com
it's real...hope you enjoy the gayporn subscriptions
>>2471285
Pls respond
>>2472795
link didn't work m8
send hlep
>tfw i dont have a notebook
what do i do?
So how do you get better at blocking/painting?
I see loads of resources for constructing heads and drawing figures but none how you start blocking out simple things.
t. someone who just made a sad attempt at an apple
>>2472824
its not a sekrit on the super sekrit discord club.
>>2472837
https://discord.gg/0pRTOVR3wsFPNfDE
A couple of sketches of my dogs eye. any protips, been drawing for about a month now. mostly drawing from life and such.
>>2469298
Because I made friends at my kindergarten by drawing wacky-races style cars together?
Which artists should I study hatching and crosshatching from?
>>2473020
>Kentaro Miura
Heres your daily dragon
>>2472846
>>2470949
Yeah basically, and just learning how to draw real life objects in general.
>>2472469
man, this one is going in my 'worst /ic/ critiques in 2016' list for sure.
you realize there are artists that primarily use pen and don't paint at all, right? are you aware that pen & ink artwork is a thing?
but nah homie painting is the be all end all right
>>2472469
Shitty advice if I ever saw one
Is it a retarded idea to spray paint still life subjects in order to see the values easier?
>>2473115
anybody who owns spraypaint is retarded and a vandal.
Can anyone recommend a tutorial on shading in traditional comic art? I'm coming along with line work but when I try to flesh it out it looks like shit whether I use ink or pencils, and most of the stuff I've found online is about doing it in photoshop.
>>2473133
I don't know what you mean by shading in traditional comic art because there are many ways to shade comics. Try Drawing comics the marver way. And here are 2 books on pen drawing that might help you:
https://mega.nz/#!a4QUQQhb!K6H4QQLBa4IZbzIySREcWFTQOb_iIpCKF9mAMVtd4Og
https://mega.nz/#!3whRiRLQ!PQavXmUIoeV5iK4CL6Z1FG3aA_Le3MVMKx5VN-8c84s
Otherwise just study straight from artists you like.
I've stopped caring about getting good at this after learning everybody just uses a billion references at the highest level to draw what they do. That just doesn't feel right to me.
The only thing that could ever get me back into this is if somebody can show me a way to visualize something in my imagination and hold that picture so I can draw it. Right now I can get a picture started but I can't keep it in place.
>>2472297
Hey if you don't mind i'm going to address this because I hear this alot. If you ever reach a point to where you feel like you have to push yourself then take that as a cue. You should stop and instead work on your motivation and then come back when you care so much that you don't feel like you have to push for it anymore. Don't continue to try when you don't care. Get the passion and fun back and never draw without it.
>>2473149
I'm so new I don't even know exactly what I'm after tbqh, thanks for the shares though. Will have a read.
just messing around with my style, working out necks and jaws
>>2473159
I have a lot more experience with programming than drawing, but the 2 aren't completely exclusive, especially in terms of motivation. I'll talk about my experience with programming.
And I have to disagree with your post. In my personal experience, the times when I didn't have to push myself were few and far in between. Most of the work I did was when I was moderately pissed off and wanted to quit the project and say fuck it, but I pushed through it, and pushed, and pushed. Because if you don't push and quit the second it becomes frustrating and not 'fun', how are you going to progress?
>You should stop and instead work on your motivation
How the hell do you work on motivation? It comes and goes, it's very hard to trigger it, and if you do: it doesn't stay for long.
The passion might be there muddied in the background, but it won't always be fun, it won't be fun most of the time.
>>2472038
It's cross eyed and looks retarded. Try to block in all your colors and where you want your shadows to be before you start rendering. A big problem with a lot of artists in that they jump right into details before putting everything else into place first.
>>2473166
[spoiler]Is your name Meena?[/spoiler]
>>2473174
Hey, programmer here too. I'll agree with that. Most of my work is done just because I need to do it and do it correctly, not because I receive pleasure from it. I started studying drawing recently and a lot of it isn't fun at all, but I want to improve and be able to create something worthwhile more than I want to just have fun.
What's a reasonable amount of time to put in every day to see steady progress, all else being equal? I'm prepared for a grind but I keep seeing people who say they spent 12 hours a day working on shade values for ten years and they're just getting started etc., it's really daunting.
I'm skimming thru the Draw with the right side book that's in the sticky, most of it is pseudoscience and lecture. Should I read any of it or just draw shit?
>>2473174
Yep, pretty much this. Motivation is a meme, you have to push yourself through the tough stuff if you want to achieve anything regardless of what you do. I used to play piano and it was the same thing, if I wanted a good technique to play the beautiful songs, I first had to grind through boring ass scales. It wasn't fun, it wasn't creative, it was boring and I hated it with a passion but I really wanted to be able to play all the awesome shit so I pushed through.
>>2473223
I work as a programmer and as deadlines come closer my productivity increases exponentially. I just wish I could space out my work properly. It's 2 AM and I just started working on a project that's due sunday and I had a month to do it.
>>2473231
7+ if you're going for a career in digital media
3-4 if you're a casual
t. feng zhu
>>2473231
12 hours a day is asking for carpal tunnel and people are exaggerating here like crazy. How much to practice depends on how much you want to improve. But the best thing my old piano teacher taught me was the 20 minute rule.
Basically, you need to do at least 20 minutes of focused practice every day. 20 minutes is like a magic line after which the brain thinks(no science just experience of a very good teacher with years of teaching behind her belt) that this is something important so it stores it. If however you don't practice for a day, or do less than 20 minutes, brain starts to throw it out so with every day that you don't practice you lose progress that you made the previous day. Now 20 minutes is very little to see significant progress but keep that as a minimum.
As I said, in my experience this works. If you're busy and put in say only hour every day, you will see more improvement than if you didn't draw for 5 days and then crammed 10 hours of drawing into a weekend. Practicing regularly is more important than just the amount of hours you put in.
>>2473313
Well that's much more encouraging and fits with my half-assed knowledge of memory storage. Thanks.
>>2473313
This is important advice. Incidentally, it's for this reason language classes are taught with more, often shorter classes when they can (usually college-level, where they don't have to fit a bell schedule). Language can only be learned through grinding and memorization, so to learn it quickly, you have to drill it constantly.
>>2472800
I tried really hard, I just suck.
>>2472779
>Going to places
Like prison?
>>2472756
What did you study?
For the love of god I want to get good, but I feel like Im running in circles
When you build the form do you draw it as shapes first?
>>2472469
Loomis does hatch
Im gonna hatch if thats what Loomis does
>>2473216
Noticed the cross eyes as soon as I posted. So, the method should go something like:
-Thumbnail composition
-Sketch
-Line ( And line again if needed, though I usually skip lining altogether and go straight to blocking / coloring )
-Block in shadows and colors
-Refine and smooth as needed
-Details, details, details
-Finish
?
Who /programmer/ here?
I do
1. Did I get the boobs right (as in, laying naturally on her body instead of being unnaturally perky?)
2. How badly did I fuck up the hair?
So I'm facing issues where I draw things nicely and they look okay but it almost always comes off out of scale, either too small or too big
What do you guys think?
>>2473372
her nipples look cartoonish, like blobs set right in the centre of the breasts. they should be pointing slightly outward. Also her head looks kind of huge.
>>2473394
better position?
>>2473402
there's a whole thing with drawing triangles and their relation to the spine:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CssitSXXtYc&index=86&list=PL0373FA2B3CD4C899
it's one of those things like pupil placement that should be easy but it's easy to completely fuck up if you don't get it just right
>>2473347
Hilarious and bad and you drew the pose in a different perspective.
>>2473444
Jaw cut too high. Most are either on the lipline or slightly below.
>>2473354
google study by krenz
>>2473465
I tried to do what was intended, can you redline my redline?
>>2473347
I appreciate it
I
>>2473474
This guy?
http://cushart.deviantart.com/
