Why do most of you draw beautiful women and not the ugly ones? I guess it´s not all about art, right? You pervs.
>>2443862
Because I am not a leftard
>>2443862
>be ugly af tumblerette
>draw everything ugly and repulsive
>hurrdurr can you all please draw ugly girls too?
no thanks tumblrina, i like my girls cute and feminine. and my men muscular, tall and with big dicks (no homo)
All women are ugly. I draw them equally.
Why would I want to contribute to the ugliness of the world?
>>2443862
Is that a trap?
Because I want to draw beautiful pictures, how can I do that when its filled with ugly women?
That said I do periodically draw fat women because it helps me draw orcs.
>>2443862
>7k photo
damn source ?
>>2443862
>>2443876
i am sorry to disappoint you
>>2443865
>>2443866
>>2443873
>>2443878
why don´t you guys just admit that you try to force your sexual desires into a socially accepted form?
>>2443901
Sure, what's wrong with that?
>>2443901
... are you saying that sexually desiring attractive women isn't socially accepted?
>>2443901
the ugly guys arent there either.
>>2443914
nothing, a lot of people do that but as you can see in >>2443921 and >>2443928 most of them are not willing to admit that the admiration for "high art" is basically thinking with the dick.
"beautiful" is hard to define, but I think you mean the mass of barbie-like samefaces/bodys which are considered beautiful amongst plebs.
For me it was always a challenge to stop the samefacing and expanding those limits of imaginable beauty.
it's still hard though, but I don't try to stop myself from drawing comfort zone girls,
instead I use it as a practice for the challenging projects.
I think what you mean is quite comparable to the less mentionable "popular art" of later decades,
like the shitloads of pretty still lifes which were displayed everywhere until people got bored of it.
I don't care if it's bait I want to respond seriously on this topic.
also neglect the shitposting, this is now a thread to post art of ugly people
>>2443948
Or...
OR....
OOORRRRR....
To draw ugly people correctly means you have to stare at ugly people until they're eternally burned into your brain so hard that you shall NEVER unsee them...
Most people don't like that.
Online, just fine attractive models and draw them.
On site sessions have ugly girls all time with various ages.
>>2443862
there are no aesthetics to ugly people
>>2443886
>>2443901
>>2443862
Where can I find more gigantic photos like those?
>>2444023
Hegre Art.
>10000x7514
fucking hell nigger
>>2443862
But only ugly bitches complain about beautiful girls.
Anyways, admiring the beauty is not fucking forbidden.
6/10 made me reply
>>>/tumblr/
>>2443948
Wasnt Freud's philosophy in psychology entirely disproved?
>>2444067
Nope. A large majority of it is the basis of modern day psychoanalysis (he kinda invented it).
Bitches can be mad all they want about his sexuality theories (I wouldn't wanna admit that the treatment I got from my daddy is the reason why I want to be ass raped and used as a cum dumpster either) but the man was a genius, no doubting that.
>>2443862
That's because everyone can generally appreciate beautiful things. It takes a real special eye to appreciate the ugliness of life - which some do.
Drawing beautiful naked women is closer to masturbation than it is to art. It doesn't tell me anything other than the fact that you appreciate sexiness.
If you're using it to tell a story or convey something where being nude and/or attractive is essential to the content, and not just there because you're more motivated to draw when your project turns you on, then it's appropriate.
>>2443928
You live under a rock. Pic related.
If sex appeal is the only form of beauty you care about or are capable of appreciating, you're going through puberty still, or you'll never make it.
>>2443948
>high art is meant to pursue beauty
>somehow that means you're thinking with your dick for drawing beautiful people
i mean sure some "high art" is glorified porn but c'mon you can troll better than this
>>2444113
>takes a real special eye
I don't think so. You just have to not be shallow. Do you think it would be hard for most people to see how pic related is beautiful?
But you're right about the fact that everyone can appreciate attractive things. OP is implying that the reason for making nudes is more sexually motivated than purely for the sake of art. But I think what you said is closer to the truth; sex sells. It's easier to get attention and appreciation for a finished nude because sex appeal is almost universally appreciated. The positive biological feedback people have when seeing beautiful figures is in this sense like having artistic training wheels on, that guarantee at least some spectators will like your work on this physical level (provided you’ve got the basics down right).
It takes real skill/artistic vision to paint an ugly subject beautifully, because you don’t have this base physical appreciation to fall back on.
>>2443901
Why would someone be attracted to just a nude form? I'd hope people on /ic/ would be older than 13.
>>2444163
What? That's literally the point of what they said. Ie, you're taking lusty impulses and condensing them/hiding them within a form of art that is socially acceptable because all you want to do is masturbate, but if you do that you'll just hate yourself. It's taking that urge and using it productively to create nude figures that, while gratifying this urge, do not appear explicitly erotic.
>>2443948
>freud
boy hahaha
>>2443862
I had a brief discussion with my drawing professor once. He knows that my greatest interest in drawing is to simply become better at drawing. There is far few other motivations. He asked my why I felt like I had to get better and why I was chasing an idea that has no solution. He asked me what my end game was, he wanted to know why it all mattered to me.
I told him that I only want to be better and that is all that matters. I enjoy pushing myself harder every time and seeing the progress that I get out of it. I told him about the magic of the dunning kruger effect. I told him every soul crushing lesson that I've happened across.
His reaction was "but why bother, if there is no end to it, isn't it just masturbatory at some point."
I replied "yes"
If doing the work doesn't give you pleasure then why do it. Who is going to pretend like they wouldn't rather be drawing or doing something else. Why not pick what you're going to draw if it's going to make you happy and draw more. Embrace that drawing can get you laid once in a while, and you will have the french girls to draw. Don't be so uptight, we're all perverts man.
>>2443862
also http://www.erofullsets.com/2015/01/ha-2015-01-05-rosie-fashionista-58-10000px/
>>2444186
>interest in drawing is to simply become better at drawing
not because
>drawing can get you laid once in a while
>and you will have the french girls to draw
Suuure anon.
>>2443862
Even when you draw an ugly girl, most drawing styles kind of make them pretty again. Take a simple anime like Watamote; The style doesnt lend itsself well to drawing an ugly person without making them look terrifying at the same time (look at some different screenshots).
The artists who draw ugly girls either have a really ugly style to begin with (tumblr especially) or still pretty up the character a bit.
>>2443862
I draw both. Its hard to draw women regarded as beautiful and very easy to draw someone as ugly. What I define as beautiful is simplicity, definition and symmetry. These are things I struggle to draw so it helps to practice. I also do the same with men.
I also prefer staring at a naked beautiful woman for 3 hours, than a fat/ugly person. Unless I'm trying to better my skills in that area.
>>2444214
>Take a simple anime like Watamote
More like they intentionally made her look better in comparison to the original source material.
Anime costs a lot to produce, and it's difficult to get people watching if the character is very unattractive (and the fact that the series isn't popular to boot.) Nothing to do with style, because they could have easily made her more authentic to the manga.
And in general, there's tons of ugly characters in shows with uguu animu style.
>drawing beautiful women
>drawing ugly women
>drawing women
haram
>>2443862
Ugly creatures don't desserve to exist and we should be neutering them to avoid further generations of eyeblights.
It's been at least a decade since the last time I had an erection while drawing a beautiful, naked woman despite doing so nearly every day.
I now also recognize myself judging attractive women on wether they're "hot" and I want to fuck them, or they're actually beautiful and desire to capture their beauty for posterity.
>>2443971
Nigga that guy isn't ugly under any circumstance. He's fit, has a full head of hair, a thick but well groomed beard, a prominent brow and deep intense eyes. Just because he has an ethnic nose and a slightly small ear doesn't mean he's not attractive as fuck. I find the random greek bitchboi angel uglier with his shitty greek nose, baby tier brow and his weak jawline.
>>2444231
You mean
>Drawing living creatures
They didn't specialize in geometry because it was fun.
I think there's a tendency towards drawing beautiful women when drawing from imagination - because "beauty" is about having average proportions and average proportions is what we learn as artists and so that's the easiest thing to draw.
Also happens if you draw from refs from the internet as most good photos out there are of beautiful models.
One of the reasons I try to take life drawing whenever I can, forces you to draw whatever is there.
>>2443862
>Implying girls dont do the same thing when they draw guys
go back to tumblr
>>2444300
>because "beauty" is about having average proportions
except big tits, tiny waist and big hips and ass aren't average
>>2444326
even women like drawing qt women m8
>>2444338
On average women have those features compared to average men.
>>2444300
>because "beauty" is about having average proportions
this
what are brain perceive as beauty is actually the subconscious telling us what is healthy to breed with, what is healthy to eat, where is healthy to live etc
>learn the rules before breaking them
what better way to learn the rules of the world we live in if not by starting with what our brain consider to be healthy for us
usually when we are speaking about ugly ppl, it's ppl which lost some of their healthiness due to age, diseases, genes mutations, accidents etc.
>>2444338
>except big tits, tiny waist and big hips and ass aren't average
they are from what our subconscious considers health. anything below average is unhealthy, anything above average falls in the category of improvement over what have been existed/ created
>>2444202
>not drawing for chicks
>>2444349
>letting your art gains slip for chicks
>>2444349
>Is a chick
I was just pointing out the massive contradiction in what he said.
I have also drawn for dick. It's an easy way to flatter and impress someone.
Would you rather be ugly or attractive?/thread
>>2444355
>tfw no qt to draw for my dick
>>2444363
I'd rather be ugly with character and intelligence, that an attractive air head (who is likely to be taken advantage of)
>>2444369
Lol at this bitter tumblrite. Most attractive people are smarter and way more virtuous than you.
>>2444369
Women don't have character and intelligence to begin with, so you'd just be ugly and stupid.
What's even more annoying than the sex monsters being spammed all over the place is how people think that what gives them a boner is the fucking epitome of good art.
I'm not gonna lie, I get off to drawings all the fucking time. But at least I realize that my favorite porn artist isn't on par with Michelangelo or Rembrandt just because their art makes my dick go hard.
I wish people would learn to separate their dick from their brain.
>>2444370
mfw I'm actually a qt with character and intelligence. Life's good. I'm sorry women are mean to you.
>>2444186
Confirmed for never making it, people like you are the worst. Bet you are underaged faggot
>>2443862
Sexsells
>>2444344
not nearly as big as most artistic representations.
>>2444348
>anything above average falls in the category of improvement over what have been existed/ created
a big fat belly has a size that is above average.
>subconscious telling us what is healthy to breed with, what is healthy to eat, where is healthy to live etc
eating a bunch of sugary foods and fat is healthy now?
what makes you think big tits and tiny waist implies good health in a woman?
I will love to see an average /ic/ retard giving me a lecture on cognition and evolutionary behavior. go on. I'm still trying to figure out why no one goes around claiming to understand enzymatic kinetics, but when it comes to evolution and behavior, oh boy, specialists all over the place.
>>2444384
lol
michelangelo is garbage dude
that's like saying the first television was good because it pioneered and influenced the following technologies.
>>2444430
I wanna say this about most "old masters" from before the 18th century.
I get why they're respected and all, but their art was not great and it shouldn't be considered the highest quality of art there can ever be.
>>2443862
Immature plebs can't see beauty outside of sex. Generic sameface sluts are the epitome of beauty to them. Not saying you should draw ugly people on purpose, but you should draw visually interesting people with distinct features, depending on what you're trying to tell.
If you look at top notch figure drawings from Vilppu, Hampton etc. you'll see why they look good. Their basic shapes are interesting, they work together well due to their rhythm and cute generic faces would just ruin them. Those anime plebs in this thread should maybe try to take a look at human anatomy and if you don't see beauty in the arrangement of bones and muscles, you should kill yourself.
>>2444454
Thats exactly what OP is trying to say. You hide your sexual desires behind "visually interesting people" but the source of your motivation is just the same. When it comes to psychology you are not better as the "immature plebs".
>>2444466
lolwat
then who is? My source of motivation is not sexual, that is what OP is trying to say.
And thats why I give no value to humans in drawings. Only studied anatomy to be able to do so, but mostly doing animals and sceneries.
>>2444471
I used to love drawing animals as a child, and hated drawing humans. Now it's the complete reverse, I wonder why.
I love drawing things like insects, though.
>>2444471
Hey there someone who doesn't enjoy drawing humans. It's rare to find someone like that. Do you have a blog?
>>2444478
It's not like I don't enjoy, it's just a choice of path you are after. Lately I've been studying anatomy and expression with humans, but now I'm slowly turning back to sceneries, not into animals though. It's all about the space.
Seriously, it's what you want to represent and bring to others. It's kinda obvious for me to draw things like forests and lakes, because I'm surrounded by those and appreciating that fact. But the tension comes from using that scenery in a way, that it tells a story of its own. It's way more interesting than any human-related drama or appealing curves.
I do have a blog, but I'm done with posting it here. Last time someone tried religiously act as me and push my shit all over. That's not really my thing. Just search it.
>>2444469
nobody, only asexuals.
>My source of motivation is not sexual
that is what you think but it is not true
>>2443862
we like looking at breddy things, thats why we study how to draw breddy things and try to recreate breddy things.
because breddy things are pleasant.
:DDDD
>>2443901
>>2443948
it's not sexual desires. again, "beauty" is desired. and beauty comes in various forms.
>>2444130
>pic related
>a self portrait
>>2444160
>Do you think it would be hard for most people to see how pic related is beautiful?
it's not beautiful. you're tricking yourself if you think so.
brushstrokes, color or gesture can be beautiful, as can lots of other things. but here it is almost jarring how much the folds stand out. it certainly is not flattering the subject.
THIS is masturbation.
>>2444532
Are you retarded? I don't even draw figures, I do mostly environments, am I a landscape fetishist? Holy shit I can't believe your stupidity.
>>2444415
>using Mcaffee
>>2444560
Trees are just stylized penises. The denial is really strong in you. Of course I understand that you are not aware of it. It all happens subconsciously.
>>2444454
I mostly agree about this.
When you see pretty girls in the street, they don't always have perfect features. They don't always have the perfect tiny nose, or perfectly arched eyebrows, they might have a thinner mouth, larger cheeks, a different eye shape and so on. But in general the face is coherent or has a particular look to it, which is in itself quite attractive. Interesting faces aren't the perfectly proportionate with classical features only types of faces. Sometimes even ethnic features can be interesting, or would be relevant to the context of the painting.
I think you don't see it that often because it's just easier to go with the simple and classical beauty rather than try something more advanced. But at the same time it's just so boring, especially since it's being constantly abused. I don't think it has to do with maturity, I think it has to do with people just wanting to do "cool stuff" like the others, rather than thinking through what they really want to show. Or not having enough time to do so.
>>2444575
>Sometimes even ethnic features can be interesting, or would be relevant to the context of the painting.
lol are you fucking retarded
any human being you draw will have ethinic features
>>2444426
>not nearly as big as most artistic representations.
Give me the numbers, along with a source.
>>2444750
I fap a lot trust me
>>2444742
>typical /ic/ shitposting
>>2444766
>literally retarded
post a picture of a human being with no ethnic features. this will be vastly entertaining for me and embarrassing for you I promise.
>>2443862
cause they're ugly and I want to draw pretty things. Art is about what the artist wants to capture, not necessarily encouraging some sort of diversity.
>>2444772
Not him. When people in the western world say "ethnic" they mean non-caucasian. It's really not that hard to understand and I don't see a reason why you have to go full autism on it when it's clear what he meant.
>>2444788
>"ethnic" they mean non-caucasian.
which is what a literal retard would say
>It's really not that hard to understand
yes if you aren't a racist trash. I never heard this jargon before but this is exactly what I suspected. he also implied you need an excuse to draw people who aren't white, which is the most ridiculous shit I've heard in quite a while, and I browse 4chan a lot.
how someone can be this racist is beyond me.
>>2444788
It's not about what they wish the word would mean, it's about what the word actually means, and making them stop using it wrong.
>>2443862
It's easier to learn anatomy on models with well-defined muscles which usually means beautiful ones.
Also - ugly and fat people are admittedly a lot harder to draw, especially for the beginners. Same applies to old people, a lot more work with wrinkles, skin, folds etc.
>>2443862
>Calling any woman ugly
You've already applied your own selfish standards to womankind. Scum like you does not deserve to exist. If a 400lb toothless ex-meth addict womyn hits on you, you accept, anything else you're degrading them.
Seriously though...
I draw anything and everything I see. I love drawing beautiful woman, I also like drawing beautiful men. Skinny, Tall, Fit, Flabby, Bodybuilder, Landwhale. I don't care, I draw it all. Much so I can identify what traits make a person appear aesthetically pleasing despite whatever body shape they may have.
I see shit like, "I don't like men, so I don't like drawing men," all the time. That's fucking dumb. Learn to draw men, learn what qualities make a body manly. Ingrain it in your artistically knowledge. That way when you go about drawing the most perfect woman, you can make damn sure to leave the manliness out of it.
>>2443971
well with ugly I've meant that his face doesn't look like your typical handsome greek bitchboi guy/bishie shit/whatever. I also share your opinion on this, can't stand that those fucked up barbie/ken facial features portrait beauty for lots of people.
I know I'm taking the bait but...
>appreciating beauty is perverted
Lots of artists draw beautiful women instead of ugly ones for the same reason they draw beautiful landscapes instead of junkyards, OP.
>>2444028
THAT FUCKING RESOLUTION
Also the porn vids of that girl are fantastic.
>>2443865
>leftard
why do I come here? where can I discuss art stuff with adults?
http://www.uni-regensburg.de/Fakultaeten/phil_Fak_II/Psychologie/Psy_II/beautycheck/english/index.htm
>>2445072
I think the concept of male attractiveness is more varied than female attractiveness.
As a man, I find that masculinity is the only trait that makes men handsome. A man with feminine features, which seems to be what a certain subset of women like, is ugly in my eyes. It just looks wrong to me on an instinctual level, as if the person had a severe physical defect. The same goes for masculine women. I doubt there are a lot of people, male or female, who consider female bodybuilders attractive.
On the other hand, being fat doesn't automatically make a man ugly. It simply makes him plain or unattractive. For example, John Goodman or Andy Richter aren't ugly in my eyes. I'm not saying they're attractive, they're just plain.
On the other hand, fat women are almost universally ugly in my eyes. People like Rebel Wilson or Lena Dunham are incredibly ugly to me.
I'm not going to claim these are universal truths, but I think the public discourse and all the political bullshit that's currently going on in the media ignores how men and women perceive the opposite gender, and try to enforce politically correct, object truths that simply aren't there.
>>2445087
You mean people who pander to your tastes and find beauty in everything, because they're spineless and scared of people who might disagree?
>>2445170
But people disagree with my idea of beauty in everything all the time.
>>2445178
Are you the "women contemplating dog knees" guy?
>>2445199
I don't know that person, no
>>2443866
>drawing your girls cute and muscualr
>>2445163
yep how one sees (or feels) the world heavily depends on the experiences they've made through their life,
thats how it goes and I appreciate it a lot when people are bring up the reflection to realize that there is no universal truth in this.
I hold the view that behaving like assholes is what makes people ugly,
but some people are quite good actors so you won*t see it from their expressive behaviour.
And I kind of agree with your last sentence..
It's important that these thematics are brought into the media, as long as it's not for jumping on the bandwagon which turns just every topic into shit.
but some unattentive people are getting really carried away into trivial bullshit (pic very related)
which is quite questionable because it causes other unattentive people to go full nazi on those topics so it becomes a "muh opinion" shitfest instead of a healthy debate with people learning from each other-
which doesn't help the world at all.
>>2445246
>I hold the view that behaving like assholes is what makes people ugly,
Yeah, that's certainly one thing that makes people look ugly to me. I do believe biological predispositions play a stronger role in determining what's attractive, but that doesn't mean I rule out environmental factors. My guess would be 70/30, in favor of biology.
That's also probably one of the most frustrating things about the whole SJW/feminist view of beauty. They completely rule out the biological factor. They seem to believe beauty standards and human behaviour are entirely dictated by the environment, which is the only way their warped view of the world makes any sense. But there is no doubt in my mind that biology is a stronger factor than environment, which in turn means they're fighting an enemy that doesn't exist, and are simply trying to change nature. That, in itself, is sexist.
>>2445244
That's not really muscular. Just fit.
>>2445079
n-no! you're just lewd p-perverted SCUM!!
>>2445292
Are you implying that you can be fit without being muscular
>>2445307
Yes. Being muscular refers to relatively large muscles, and there are plenty of sports that don't require large muscles.
A woman who works out regularly might get toned, but it will require en enormous amount of effort to actually become muscular.
>>2445312
There is no such actual thing as "toned". In order to gain an aesthetic look from exercising, you actually need to make your muscles larger, to the point where they protrude noticeably, when any random person looking at you can say that you are muscular.
Muscular = ripped, and a muscular woman =/= a muscular man. At all.
>>2445318
*Muscular =/= ripped
>>2445318
Are you retarded? Toned refers to someone with a noticable amount of muscle and a low enough bodyfat percentage that the muscle definition is visible through the skin.
Ripped is someone with large muscles and a very low bodyfat percentage.
Muscular is anyone with large muscles.
>>2445337
There is no difference between a "noticeable amount of muscle" and "large muscles". Anything that is noticeably larger than normal automatically fits the criteria of being large. If muscles are noticeably large, they are large.
>>2445349
That is the dumbest fucking shit I've ever read.
>>2445349
>There is no difference between a "noticeable amount of muscle" and "large muscles"
Are you retarded? There is no difference to you between say a body builder and a swimmer?
>>2445349
pfft hahaha wut a retard!
Here. You earned an anime reaction image
>>2445370
>>2445407
Prove me wrong
>>2445372
Of course there is. But they both have large muscles, because they both have larger muscles than the average person.
>http://www.dictionary.com/browse/large
>of more than average size, quantity, degree, etc.; exceeding that which is common to a kind or class; big; great:
If someone has a house that is larger than normal, you do not say that they have a "noticeable amount of square footing" in their house. You say that they have a large house.
>>2445467
By your autistic, binary logic, someone who's one pound over the average weight is fat.
>>2443948
just keep sucking on that big brown dick siggy fraud...
>>2445515
Fuck off, Carlin. "Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar".
>>2445513
The average body fat percentage in America (25%) is pretty fat on it's own. So yeah, I think they would be considered fat.
Not him btw
>>2444415
>uses Mcafee and browses /tv/
>>2445518
Oh fuck, I thought this said 25% instead of 28%
Disregard this
>>2445518
Don't drag /int/ into this pls.
>>2445514
>No, because that wouldn't be noticeably overweight.
A guy can have a noticable amount of fat around his stomach, while still being defined as normal. You can also be slightly pudgy, overweight, fat or obese. You see? It's an incremental increase.
If we apply your logic to fat in the same way you apply it to muscle, everyone who has a noticable amount of fat has "a lot of fat", which is blatantly untrue.
According to you, someone is either normal or have large muscles, which is as insane as saying that someone is either normal or has a lot of fat.
Also, this is the dumbest fucking argument I've ever had.
>>2445523
>A guy can have a noticeable amount of fat around his stomach, while still being defined as normal.
In terms of what? Body fat? Nobody would argue that unless they were trying to be polite, and no honest doctor would tell him that he isn't overweight.
>You can also be slightly pudgy, overweight, fat or obese. You see? It's an incremental increase.
I agree. However, all of these terms describe a person who carries around an abnormal amount of fat.
>If we apply your logic to fat in the same way you apply it to muscle, everyone who has a noticable amount of fat has "a lot of fat"
Correct. You would have to pack on quite a few pounds for someone to tell that you're overweight.
>According to you, someone is either normal or have large muscles
Or small muscles. They're very vague terms, and can be broken up into more specific, descriptive terms, but together they technically fill up the entire spectrum.
The thing is: people usually draw people that are sexual appealing to them....and that's idiotic...your work will start to look repetitive...you should practice all the body types/faces...it has nothing to do with being a tumblrina...its just tiring as fuck to see moe animu grills in every fucking drawing...specially here...so git gud and stahp trying to be edgy, retards
>>2445531
>In terms of what? Body fat? Nobody would argue that unless they were trying to be polite, and no honest doctor would tell him that he isn't overweight.
Except you can have noticable excess fat without being overweight, you monumental retard. That's the point. The normal range for a male of average height can vary by as much as 20 fucking kilos.
>Correct. You would have to pack on quite a few pounds for someone to tell that you're overweight.
We're not talking about overweight. We're talking about a noticable amount of fat. You really don't have to gain a lot of weight before you can tell the difference, and someone can look soft and out of shape without being overweight.
And that's the entire point. You really don't have to add a lot of muscle before you can tell that someone works out, particularly if that person has a low bf%. That's what toned is.
>They're very vague terms, and can be broken up into more specific, descriptive terms, but together they technically fill up the entire spectrum.
Everyone in this thread has disagreed with you. That little shit Justin Bieber has a noticable amount of muscle and anyone can tell he works out, but no one in their right mind would say he has large muscles.
Either way, I'm ending this here. This is pissing me off way too much and is a complete waste of time.
>>2444385
Women aren't mean to me because I'm a qt myself. Just pointing out the "lol beautiful people are dum" stereotype is bullshit, beauty comes from health and health makes you smarter and more athletic. All the ugly genius vs dumb pretty people/jocks fanwank in fiction is nothing but the accumulated salt of a 120 plateau faggot who got project funding through nepotism.
>>2444788
It's still stupid because caucasians can have a lot of very different features depending on where geographically they come from.
A dane, a german, a french and an eurasian don't have the same features. Hell, an ethnic scott and an ethnic welsh won't have the same features and they developed just a stone throw away in a geographical sense.
>>2443862
I think its mostly because beauty equals basics, they usually have a little fat but not to much so bone is still defined and a little muscle so you define that also. Whereas if you have an anorexic person you wont be able to tell what adding much fat looks like and its uncommon and being fat it will be tougher to tell as a whole where the bones are located. you see drawing a basic pose just happens to be what a beauty would look like. plus beauty isn't exactly a set in stone thing. when times where hard it was supposedly more attractive to have a lot of weight put on.
>>2445690
>when times where hard it was supposedly more attractive to have a lot of weight put on.
For men.
Plump men were hot because women are hypergamous and will go with the one that has more money, in pre-industrialized sugar times of famine being chubby meant you were wealthy as fuck.
Chubby women weren't attractive because they were chubby, however, they were attractive to your parents because it meant their parents could feed their cow before they sold her, so you were marrying into more money.
>>2444804
Are you trolling or are you really this retarded? I'm at a loss for words. How can someone be so mindblowingly sheltered and easily offended that they get upset over or don't understand what the term ethnic means?
Also, if you want to talk about racism, why don't you take a look at all the feminists and whiny minorities who do everything in their power to portray white people as some sort of whitewashed, boring default with zero characteristics? They're the ones who love to divide people into white and PoC.
Seriously, you need to fuck off back to tumblr. I really have no fucking clue how you pathetic cunts even end up on 4chan. /ic/ seems to be crawling with you fuckers lately.
>>2445701
You're the retard nigger.
Ethnography is sociological, you're thinking about anthropology and you're still wrong because there's a shitload of "ethnic" differing features between even small populations of the same "race".
Aztecs were tall, with sharp and long features and grew beards, Chichimeca from 100km north were short, with blunt and wide features, and were hairless.
Koreans and Japanese are not alike, Thai and Burmese, Hindu and Pakistani, Nigerian and Somali, Samoan and Hawaian, Russian and Croat, Apache and Crow, Dane and Icelandic, French and English, German and Austrian, Iranian and Afghan, all show different features despite being of the same race, if you can't see it you're either a terrible artist, myopic, or racist.
>>2445695
A woman going for money doesn't mean she will find the fatass attractive.
You actually think most gold-diggers actually love their husbands, let alone find their husbands attractive? They're nothing more than a living wallet.
>>2445719
They still get wet at the idea of that money.
Women are fucked up like that, they reduce people to the very basic of what they can do for them. On the other hand most men would rather be alone than be with someone they don't find sexually or affectionally pleasing and are willing to sacrifice a comfortable lifestyle for someone they love.
>>2445721
Drinking too much of the le redpill Kool-aid, bro.
>>2445722
Nah, I've just witnessed seven divorces among family, friends and co-workers. Women either don't have feelings and just pretend they do or the hypergamy directive overrules their brain clean of any loyalty, empathy and gratitude as soon as a bigger wallet becomes avaliable.
>>2445718
The original posters used it as a colloquial term, you oversensitive cunt. It refers to broad differences, in the sense that you can tell whether a person comes from northern Europe or eastern Asia.
No one gives a fuck about your autistic obsession with ethnicities.
>>2445724
>7 divorces
Fuck, which country/US state?
regards, otherguy
>why do you draw things that you enjoy looking at
>>2445729
Commiefornia.
>>2445724
I've also come from a family full history of divorce. And it was either equal or the men that were mainly at fault.
Hell, myself included. My father was abusive, became an alcoholic, and constantly cheated on my mother. Even to this day, the guy pulls crocodile tears and tells my brother and I that "he loves us", even though he's yet to pay child support once and constantly begs for money to spend on bullshit; meanwhile my mother for several years had to pay for two children and an apartment/bills while keeping us somewhat spoiled on her own.
But I'm not going to be an idiot and claim men are dangerous/completely focused on their dicks/etc, because I'm not a deluded idiot who thinks on their bitter-ass emotions. I recognize that people are, well, people and are very much capable of being fucking garbage, regardless of sex.
You can cry about how women dropped their husband or boyfriend over somebody who's richer, but it's not like men haven't dropped their SOs for a hotter and/or younger women either. Hell, celebrities, CEOs, etc do that shit all the time.
Get the fuck off le redpill, /r9k/, or whatever place that's feeding you this poison. You're only the other side of the same coins that retarded radical feminists, political lesbians, or whatever are.
>>2445738
Not that guy, but women initiate 70% of the divorces, and have historically fucked men over when it comes to money and custody. A lot of men definitely have a reason to be bitter.
That being said, no one in my family have gotten divorced, except one of my older brothers. But he chose a loud, obnoxious cunt of a wife, and everyone could see it coming.
>>2445745
Shh, you'll upset his worldview, after all it's only /r9k/ babbies who don't enjoy interacting with real, stronk womyn who don't need no man, right?
Marriage is at an all time low for a reason, every man worth marrying has ran to the hills, the thugs and deadbeats just pump and dump, and beta providers are getting paid less every day so they don't even attract bitches as walking wallets anymore.
And still, the few women who find a sucker won't stop fucking them over. Because women are the most egotistical creatures in this planet and sincerely we'd be doing them a favor to point it out, force them to recognize it and tone it the fuck down because men getting jailed because they can't pay alimony leds nowhere good.
>>2444426
>what makes you think big tits and tiny waist implies good health in a woman
>Waist
1. she's not fat
2. she seems frail, it's a turn on
>Breasts
1. capable of feeding offspring (that's just a visual trick tho, size doesn't matter when it comes to breastfeeding).
2. reminds people of safety and warmth they got from their mother
>Hips
1. better for childbirth, fact
>Big/Plump ass
1. Seems more fertile, because sex
There's more but don't feel like going into it, other anons covered it already.
A good indicator of health is waist and hips. Contrary to popular belief excessive fat stores were never viewed as a bonus, but not enough fat stores were viewed as a drawback (sickly and weak). Rest are either sexual or associated with motherliness, which is what you want in the mother of your children.
>>2444772
>>2444788
>>2444804
>>2444807
It's not because politically correct retards have changed the meaning of words that everyone who uses them means the same thing. Fucks sake.
>>2444772
Stop shitposting.
>>2445685
Getting close. That's exactly what I meant. People all seem to use the same guideline, with the same undersized perfectly straight noses, oversized eyes, "perfect" proportions and so on.
But even within whites there are alot of variation, which you rarely see used in painting. If most people were to paint lets say a traditional ukrainian girl, they'd just go with blonde hair and blue eyes and the same bland and overused guideline as always. But where are the specific noses, cheeks, chins, jawlines, mouths and eyes that are particular to those ethnic groups and give them some personality ? I'm not saying they have to be ugly, they can be beautiful while still having the traits related to the region they come from.
The point wasn't that all paintings should incorporate them, it's just the boring and repetitive traits you see everywhere that gets annoying. It's like if everyone used the same blue for the sky and only varied the cloud shapes a bit.
>>2445745
The husbands just want to fuck other bitches and not care about their wives, but for some reason they still want to be married to them. Women would rather get a divorce than cheat on their husbands.
>>2445726
The original poster was wrong.
>>2445847
Ukranians are some of the prettiest women in the world specifically because of their ethnic features.
The classic "greek" profile people insist on using is rather bland and ugly, doesn't really represent helenic beauty but inbred english aristocracy, and is dated as fuck.
I believe we'd actually see more varied facial features, specially in women, if we actually listened to our dicks more than we listen to the loomis directive of how a female face has to look.
>>2446170
We'd see more varied features if we used more references.
>>2443862
There are some features that people with shit taste would make someone ugly, but ends up being one of those "perfect imperfection" cases. A lot of artists do that because it's a natural beauty. Of course, no one wants to draw a wholly ugly women because that defeats the purpose.
>>2444067
There's nothing to prove or disprove. The man just did drugs and rambled about dicks and shit.
>>2446170
You people are so full of shit that it's not even funny. I honestly can't tell if you're just shitposting or if you really are this bigoted and ignorant.
>>2446638
>bigoted and ignorant
This isn't tumblr. Either disprove what he said or call him a faggot.
>>2446638
Nothing in that post is wrong
>Ukranians are pretty because of their ethnic features
Subjective
>The classic greek profile doesn't represent helenic beauty
Truth
>The classic greek profile represents the aesthetic choices of inbred western aristocrats
Truth
>People would draw more varied faces and bodies if they drew what personally turned them on instead of just Loomis
Truth
Go be a faggot somewhere else.
>>2446720
I was being sarcastic, you dumb fuck. He's clearly offended by normal beauty standards, and wants more "diversity".
>>2446738
>Ukranians are pretty because of their ethnic features
Sure, if you like that cheap prostitute look.
>>The classic greek profile doesn't represent helenic beauty
>The classic greek profile represents the aesthetic choices of inbred western aristocrats
Are you retarded? The terms Hellenic and Greek are interchangable, and the neoclassical style is literally based on Greek and Roman statues. Futhermore, the neoclassical style was developed during the Renaissance in Italy, and very few of the subject were British, yet this fucker thinks it's based on British royalty.
>People would draw more varied faces and bodies if they drew what personally turned them on instead of just Loomis
Very little of what is posted on /ic/ is based on classical beauty standards. The vast majority here base their art on modern comics, cartoons, manga, video game art or concept art. While the latter occasionally have some traditional influences, it's rarely the case. If you want to complain about style, then ethnicity is the least of the problems that need to be addressed, because very few artists on /ic/ draw realistically enough to consider minor ethnic variations.
>>People would draw more varied faces and bodies if they drew what personally turned them on instead of just Loomis
Loomis is primarily used as an instructional guide to drawing. Virtually no one draws in Loomis' style on /ic/ or elsewhere. Furthermore, Loomis isn't based on classic or neoclassic art, but on commercial American art from the 30s and 40s, primarily idealized Anglo/German models and Hollwood actors from that era.
The entire fucking argument seems to be based on pseudo-intellectual bullshit and tumblreqsue demands for diversity that doesn't apply to this place to begin with.
>>2446754
>He's clearly offended by normal beauty standards, and wants more "diversity".
Then he's come to the wrong place to rant about it.
Artists are some of the people most likely to go and seek different looking people and try to find something attractive or aesthetically pleasing about them and bring it out - because drawing different people helps us improve, as well as it makes our work stand out more.
He should go talk to the people in suits who are in charge of the entertainment industry, except they won't listen to him because they only listen to money.
I'm baffled as to how he thought coming to a place populated by artists to preach to them about body proportion and anatomy was a good idea. We basically spend our lives studying this shit, and he thinks we don't know that people can look different?
>>2446785
Agreed. I'm having trouble finding out who he's addressing and what his motivation is, considering nothing he says applies to anyone here.
If he wanted to complain about the generic styles that a lot of artists on /ic/ use, he would have a point, but complaining about minute details in various ethnic subgroups, he's in the wrong place.
His entire concept of neoclassical art and hellenistic ideals are also dead wrong.
Well, I definitely started a shitposting contest by just mentioning ethnic traits. I swear you people are just there to jump on the slightest thing just to be able to shitpost even more.
>>2446873
Go suck a dick.
>>2443901
Every great man on earth has realized that Sexual desire is the greatest creative force theire is that pushes us towards greatness so yeah it's art now please stop not that the conversation isn't interesting it's just that your clearly not serious or intellegent enough to have it.
>>2445288
would you tell me what your definiton of feminism is?
>>2447003
No. Go suck a dick.
>>2443886
dem nipples aint right
>>2447779
What are you talking about? They are perfect for suckling.
idk, I guess each their own? I can find beauty in ways others would disagree?
just my 2 cent, sorry
I want to inspire awe.
But the good kind of awe, not the "WOW HE'S SO PROGRESSIVE! LOOK AT THOSE FLABS"
>>2447798
I klind of agree i honestly look at ugly people and try to find the beauty in them and i look at beautiful people and try to find the ugly in them.
The most interesting looking people who those who are beautiful but unique but still not ugly.. like a 10 from one angle but a ha? what is that from another angle. hard to explain probabbly just conditioning from porn and model adds.
If I'm a girl and also draw mainly beautiful-ish women, am I a perv too?
>>2448022
A lesbian, probably.
Draw hot men, faggot.
>>2448022
No just a disgusting fag
>>2445674
Ah ok. My initial comment was just meant to point out that it's not really useful to simplify it to "Would you rather be ugly or attractive", because appearance doesn't determine whether or not you're a shit person, and beauty isn't the first thing I would choose if I had a chance to pick my stats in life. I've done some modeling in the past and it was a really scummy experience for me. I saw a lot of young girls develop messed up egos because they were too naive to handle the empty compliments and expectations of two faced agents. Didn't mean to imply that beautiful people are dum, they just tend to get in trouble when people encourage them to see their beauty as the most important thing they have to offer.
beautiful subject matter =/= beautiful paintings
there are tons of shitty artists who draw mediocre colored pencil porn of boobies or bishounen
jenny saville chooses conventionally ugly subject matter like obesity or hermaphrodites but her paintings use brushwork, composition and color to convey form and figure in a breathtaking way
also lucien freud
>>2446612
>Of course, no one wants to draw a wholly ugly women because that defeats the purpose.
But doesn't your pic disprove that?
>>2448072
This sounds like feminist bullshit. You're deflecting the question and inferring that being attractive is a negative trait.
You automatically assumed that beauty and intelligence are mutually exclusive, which is a kneejerk reaction found among feminists or ugly people who incorrectly assume they're intelligent or have character. This type of argumentation that twists a simple question into a moral dilemma that isn't there to begin with is why it's so fucking grating to talk to a certain type of women. It's also used to prop up insecure women by telling them that they're great people on the inside, regardless of whether they are or not. You also never see anyone ask women to stop drawing effeminate queers, and draw fat, ugly men instead.
I've asked this elsewhere, but could you explain to me where you people came from? I don't get why /ic/ suddenly has been overrun by oversensitive women. The reason I and many other men have been flocking to /ic/ and 4chan over the years, is to avoid this politically correct argumentation, and the bizarre ramblings and baseless accusations that insecure women come up with. It's grating.
>>2448091
>but could you explain to me where you people came from?
from tumblr, with reddit as the gateway
>>2448093
The ultimate source is a result of a combination/mixture of liberal/progressive 'academia', faggotry (special snowflake syndrome), and social/political pandering.
>>2448091
Actually it's true that outward beauty isn't the only part that matters when it comes to attractiveness, it's backed by science. However, it's mostly smell, body language etc that goes into those other factors.
However there is a lot of fact to "Mind over beauty." Have you ever sat and had a conversation with someone who was beautiful but they can't even spell "orange?" Like, it's mind-numbing. Unless it was literally the only thing we would ever do (No texts, calls, talks before or after etc) I could never fuck someone who was beautiful without substance because it would just drive me insane.
Now a babe who's also smart? Fuck yeah.
But honestly if someone is too ugly their personality won't save them, but their personality can save some imperfections.
For instance, my fiance was born with a disease that caused him to be born without the muscle and skin of his stomach, thus he has two large scars and what i call an honorary belly button from his surgeries as an infant, but he's handsome in the face and has the best personality ithat it's not something I notice when before I met him, body deformities freaked me out a lot to the point where I'd judge someone for it whether i wanted to or not (revulsion more so than actual descrimination).
There's a lot to it, it's not a black and white subject, and it's different for every person so, for you maybe outward appearance is more important. For someone else, maybe they might as well be blind and only care about what's inside. Me? I need a little of both.
But ultimately, if there's no physical attraction (Meaning they get you hard or wet which can be for either set of traits) then the relationship won't work and that's fact.
>>2448093
Reddit wasn't the gateway, reddit hates tumblr just as much as 4chan does, but just like 4chan, tumblr invaded both.
No, the reason tumblr and basically so many shitposters in general are on 4chan now compared to the "golden years" is because the site got too big. That's what happens when sites get too big, they go to shit. The creators stop giving a fuck about anything not involving money or legal matters, people find out about the site from friendlier sources than they used to (Used to be from raids, now its because of the Anonymous collective (seperate from normal anonymous on 4chan, the ones going after trump rn), as well as 4chan's culture (the -tans, memes, etc) all bringing people in to discover the boards and find a place they think they fit in.
In short: The reason they're here is our own fault. We spread the word of this site too wide and now its garbage. That's why I vote we move to 420chan. It's absolutely dead, has a good atmosphere, and we could make it great (I mean their art board is basically dead so we could actually potentially mold it into what we want /ic/ to be)
>>2448100
For fuck's sake, this is exactly what I'm talking about.
We're not discussing intelligence. We're not discussing character.
We're talking about visual beauty, because this board is dedicated to the visual medium of art.
The whole point I was trying to make was that women twist an objective discussion into some kind of bizarre moral predicament, when it's not.
Man: "I like cats."
Woman: "Oh, so you hate dogs? Dogs are great. When I was young, I had a dog. When I was 10, my dog was hit by a car and lost his leg, but I still loved him. He was still beautiful on the inside, and I'm a precious person for being able to see that and for not giving him up. We had a deep bond, and I'm glad he lost his leg, because that imperfection gave him character. Dogs with four legs are shallow."
>>2448103
4chan went to shit back in 2008 during Chanology. That still doesn't explain why there's been such an enormous influx of tumblrites over the last few months. What I don't get is why they come here. If they have such delicate, fragile minds, why come to a place that known for its cruelty, shitposting and harsh criticism? There are plenty of places where people would love to have these discussions, so why do it here?
>>2445847
Go ahead then and post and example of human being with no ethnicity you dumbass racist motherfucker
>>2448116
>That still doesn't explain why there's been such an enormous influx of tumblrites over the last few months. What I don't get is why they come here.
Remember back in the 90's when the internet wasn't mainstream and it was less shit despite the objective quality being worse?
Remember in the early 2000's when internet 'culture' and proto-memes began spilling over into real life?
Going mainstream ruins everything on the internet.
>>2448121
In case you're actually a fucking retard and not just trolling, I'll say this again.
The term "ethnic" is a colloquial term used in the US to describe non-caucasians.
>>2448129
>Using colloquialisms
>Ever
>US
>>2448129
You just agreed beforehand there is variety on caucasian features. Go on and post the caucasian master race to rule them all. Im curious to know how far your racism and ignorance extends.
>>2448140
My penis throbs with the force of a thousand shitty trolls. Why don't you have a suck?
Gericault's Portraits of the insane is another great series to check out if you want to see an artist exploring the uglier side of humanity through beautiful artworks
>>2448121
Intense shitposting right there.
First of all, ethnics are far more precise than caucasian, asian or black. Caucasians, at least in Europe (and even more in the past) are distributed into quite a large amount of ethnic groups. Hungarians aren't the same as germanic people, who aren't the same as portugese and so on. So while you might be all happy to show that you can say whether a person is black or white, you'd already struggle quite alot telling the ethnic groups apart based on simple examples.
>>2448129
If you understand that ethnics aren't just "caucasian" or "black", you might be able to understand my post.
I've attached an example of what I'm talking about. Notice how the features are made so simple and perfect that in the end there's no real structure underneath. Can you point out what ethnic this jawline belongs to ? What would associate those oversized eyes to ? Germanic people ? That's exactly the point, where people want to draw pretty faces so badly that all personality goes down the drain in favour of perfect little traits. Even artists like RuanJia do this (look at the chin and jawline in his Rondo Of Moon).
Granted they choose how much artistic license they want to take, but I've seen this jawline and tiny chin everywhere and there's nothing original nor interesting about it anymore. So I'd like to see more actual human faces, and one of the ways you can do this is build a coherent face based on ethnics, as well as a whole lot of other tools, like fucking functionality.
>>2448144
>posting low-brow cartoon shite for teenagers as a representative example of the depiction of humans in art
just gtfo already
>>2448144
I'm aware of the fact that there are plenty of ethnicities. For fuck's sake, I've studied Norwegian face shapes down to their specific regions.
I've already written extensively about this bullshit further up, and what sparked this discussion was a colloquial use of the term ethnic, that is common in the US. It's not a difficult concept.
Furthermore, who gives a fuck what commercial artists do? The face in your picture is just a generic white character in one of the most overused styles found in modern concept art, which is a western style that borrows heavily from anime, like the pointy chin and the oversized eyes.
It's not about ethnicity, because it's its own style. For a more exaggerated example, take the most generic form of anime. You can't tell what race a character with huge eyes, no lips and a dot for a nose is. In fact, virtually no anime characters look Japanese.
It's the same with this style. While you can depict very broad ethnicities, it's not a style that's inherently designed to be accurate to life. The fact that the person draws in that style is an indication in itself that they don't care, so it's pointless to argue about it.
I also said it earlier. Very few styles are detailed and realistic enough to actually depict minute differences within the same race. It's an issue of style, not one of race.
>>2448143
There's nothing ugly about that guy.
>>2448144
OBVIOUS aryan facial features, specially the nose. Nice baito desu senpai. Just showed how fucking ignorant and how deeply ingrained your racism is. You could never say this female is greek, slav or jewish even if you changed the hair, eye and skin colors. Now go die in a fire m8.
>>2448149
I just randomly found it on DA, which shows exactly how common it is.
>>2448159
I didn't read all of the comments to be honest because it just seems like the typical /ic/ pointless debate.
I never made it an issue of race, other people here did. I pointed out that these styles are boring and what I'd rather see that would be more interesting to me. The rest is just /ic/ making drama out of nothing.
>>2448161
That's why I didn't claim that about the nose you retard. Now tell me what ethnic that jawline belongs to, I'm waiting.
>>2448163
>Now tell me what ethnic that jawline belongs to, I'm waiting.
Ukrainian.
>>2448159
>Anonymous 03/19/16(Sat)20:32:52 No.24481
https://www.khanacademy.org/humanities/becoming-modern/romanticism/romanticism-in-france/a/gricault-portraits-of-the-insane
ugliness can also refer to the "ugly" nature of humanity, such as addictions, obsessions, insanity
>>2448198
Fuck off.
>>2448163
>I just randomly found it on DA
>DA
My statement applies.
some people itt seem to be very sure that they know quite much about everything :^)
I see a lot of "muh view of the world" here.
can we talk about why everyone wants to have the truest opinion?
what is this shit? everyone argues out of his set theoretical construct instead of reflecting and learning.
is this too complicated for you?
>>2448329
Is shutting up instead of wasting electrons on zero-content posts too difficult for you?
>>2448163
>post person with large nostril
>TELL ME IF THIS NOSTRIL IS FROM A NEGROID, SOUTHEAST ASIAN OR AUSTRALOID
lol shutup m8
just admit you are a racist piece of shit trying to justify it
Why do you tumblrina, sjw, feminist, self-entitled freaks draw everything to look like gumdrops and sunshine-blasted girly colors? Do you not like dark sewers drenched in putrid fluids and dirty characters with open wounds?
Why are all of your drawings light-brown skinned characters with rainbow hair? Is there something wrong with being white, pale or legit dark-skinned? Something wrong with brown, black, and blonde hair?
Fucking hell, is there anyone more annoying than an opinionated hypocrite.
People tend to draw what they like, and you're against that? Fucking idiot.
>>2448911
Just take a breather, anon
Everything's okay.
>>2448112
It's called a tangent you mongoloid. And character and intelligence effect visual beauty, in poise and presence. Is it against the rules to look at issues from multiple perspectives?
Also, posts like yours aren't contributing anything useful to the topic of visual beauty either. You're just sliding into the annoying stereotype of the hypocritical guy that rants at opinionated girls to protect his safe space.
>women twist an objective discussion into some sort of bizarre moral predicament
Exactly what you're doing by trying to turn this into a boy/girl 4chan/tumblr war, champ.
If these kinds of conversations trigger you so much you should avoid replying to tumblrite bait threads condemning the objectification of women in the future. Obviously lurking girls are going to speak up and get sensitive here. Bitching about how annoying you think feminists are just validates their bitching back. You're better than that friend. At least you think you are.
>>2449253
The stupidity of you people is actually astonishing.
It's not a tangent when every attempt at talking about a subject turns into a discussion about how beauty isn't just a visual thing. Everyone fucking knows that you can value a person for more than their looks, and most people do.
The problem with this whole discussion is the same problem you have with the idiotic concept of objectification. It's the idea that the moment you appreciate a woman's beauty, every other quality she has goes out the window. That is fucking insane.
Personally, because it is easier for me to draw ugly women then it is for me to draw beautiful ones as they require a lot more acute details and refinement to not ending up looking like Satan's shit stain verses when I actually am trying to draw someone who looks like Satan's shit stain on purpose.
tl;dr
Ugly women come more easily and naturally when i draw compared to Beautiful ones
>>2444081
>implying psychoanalysis isn't bullshit.
>>2448911
>if you don't draw regular pretty aryan women you are a tumblr feminist
>>2449364
He's being sarcastic and reversing the argument, you stupid fuck.
>>2443862
If I wanted to draw something ugly I would do a self portrait.
>>2449253
>avoid replying to tumblrite bait threads condemning the objectification of women in the future
That would just signal that it is somehow okay to condemn the objectification of women.
Good men must fight evil wherever it is to be found.
>>2449268
>It's not a tangent when every attempt at talking about a subject turns into a discussion about how beauty isn't just a visual thing
>every attempt
What the hell are you talking about, there's a handful of other tangents going on in this thread. The argument over what the term ethnic means for example.
>Everyone fucking knows that you can value a person for more than their looks, and most people do.
okay so you just agreed with the whole point I was trying to make by saying >>2444363 is a stupid question because it oversimplifies the concept of beauty, which should be dynamic and subjective. This applies to OP's question as well. It's inflammatory bait.
> the same problem you have with the idiotic concept of objectification
When the hell did I say I had a problem with objectification? Read my post again. I said that this was a tumblrite bait thread condemning the objectification of women. Meaning I think OP has a problem with it. I have nothing against it, every time I draw I am objectifying something or someone. You're just projecting annoying fem-nazi ideology onto the simple point I was making to invalidate my opinion.
I hope you realize that people like you and feminists are two sides of the same coin. Just regurgitating the same standardized criticism's of the opposite gender without actually listening to what anyone says.
>>2449442
>women add their voices to threads dealing with how they're represented.
Which women on here have been represented and where?
I don't understand this "that picture is of a woman and I am a woman THEREFORE THIS IS PERSONAL" type of thinking.
You'll never run out of things to get mad at if you keep identifying with everything that has the smallest shared trait with yourself.
>>2449442
Do you have any idea how fucking transparent you are? You're clearly an easily offended cunt, as no sane person would defend women whining about how they're represented. No one cares about trivial bullshit like that except feminists.
>>2444405
This is fucking bait.
>>2443862
Sauce?
>>2445752
Highschool isn't the end of the world I assure you.
>>2445318
Don't be pedantic. In discussing actual fitness techniques using 'toned' is bullshit, but clearly in an average discussion it connotes someone who exercises but isn't hulked the fuck out.
People misuse 'picturesque' all the time, but if it's not crucial to the conversation there's no reason to derail everything into fucking granular linguistics.
>>2448100
You're not marrying a drawing bitch.
And every attractive woman I have ever met was also of average intelligence or higher, specially if you spoke to them about their job/vocation and didn't try to measure a surgeon by their ability to solve post-grad differential equations. Ugly people only tell themselves beautiful and athletic people must be dumb, because they themselves are dumb and think life is "fair" and some people can't have it all while others have notthing at all. But life isn't fair and healthy people with good genes and a strong family unit will most likely be more beautiful, more athletic, smarter, more successful and better people than you jelly tumblrtards.
>>2450651
This tbhfam
http://nationalreport.net/new-study-reveals-obesitys-correlation-low-iq-sufferers/
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/beautiful-men-women-smarter-high-iqs-study-article-1.153345
>>2448129
And what is the face of the US?
>>2450450
We need to define exact terminology, otherwise communication will be pointless.
Like I could just say safhgasdjhasdjhfgsdfjhgsdfdjkfh and you'd have no idea what the fuck I just said but it's fine because you can interpret it any way you like just like abstract art. Everything's relative anyway right?
>>2449268
>The problem with this whole discussion is the same problem you have with the idiotic concept of objectification. It's the idea that the moment you appreciate a woman's beauty, every other quality she has goes out the window. That is fucking insane.
They do that because they know they lost the game as soon as a prettier woman walked into their vicinity.
>>2449860
>Marrying in high-school
Utha pls.
>b8 thread getting this many replies
gg, anons
>>2445244
>he thinks that's muscular
>>2453507
>replies to a b8 thread to say how b8 thread is getting replies
>>2453548
>>2444442
are you retarded?
>>2448090
No, that's a beautiful titty.
>>2443862
I draw all sorts of women, they generally are beautiful, but not all are young/skinny/fit or w/e i draw some thick women and shit. But basically if i draw "ugly" (warts, horribly unhealthy body, dysfigurement, etc. It changes the meaning of the picture, for myself, and others. It makes it like a horror picture or something. Most artists draw beauty, because them and mos other people enjoy looking at beauty.
