>digital inking without a cintiq
stop being a cunt, if you can't do it with a regular intuos you can't do it with a cintiq
>>2441742
That's what the stabilizer is for bitch nigga.
>average cintiqfag
>wanting to get cucked by Wacom
Yiynova masterrace reporting in.
>>2441751
By what rationale?
The lack of hand-eye coordination is what makes it more challenging on most tablets compared to traditionally. Why do you think a cintiq (or any alternative display-tablet) wouldn't help?
>>2441763
With a cintiq there is just as much disconnect as there is with a regular tablet, the disconnect might be different but neither are like drawing on paper.
>>2441760
>having to use batteries because Wacom cucked the patent system
Prove me wrong.
Protip: you can't.
>>2441788
Patent expired long ago.
Yiynova has no batteries and no need to charge pen and has tilt sensitivity.
>having your fingers in the way
Might as well go back to traditional.
I bought a Cintiq after about 7 years of using an Intuos and linearting feels exactly the same. It's the 1 thing that doesn't feel in any way different.
>>2441806
This must be bullshit. How the fuck do you trace something with an intuos easily?
>falling for the Cintique meme
>>2441758
I don't think I've ever seen something that makes my blood boil so hard
>>2441758
>>2441760
>>2441930
What would you recommend?
>>2441936
https://www.huiontablet.com/huion-wh1409.html
>>2441936
If you have the money, get a Cintiq.
Its build quality is unmatched by the competition. Huion and Yiynova may start to fault after a while.
Don't fall for the "Wacom sucks" bullshit that /ic/ shits out. In fact, don't take any advice from /ic/ on anything - including my post.
Do your research elsewhere.
>>2441742
i use a bamboo fun.
>>2441760
Sold my Yiynova for a 13HD glad I did
>>2441946
don't get a cintiq. do get a wacom. get an intuos pro.
>>2441965
After using an Intuos 4 for 6 years and recently switching to a Cintiq - the Cintiq is a thousand times better.
>>2441967
I use both and I disagree, the cintiq is very overpriced for what it is.
>>2441944
Have fun with broken drivers and trying to get anything except photoshop to work properly.
>>2441992
I use one for like a year and had no issues ever.
my main tool is Photoshop, but i worked with Manga studio, SAI and tried painter.
It rocks.
I noticed a little bug that under certain circuimstances it may deect pressure incorrectly (when you press above 100% pressure and don't move the pen at all), not a killer issue, but I reported it to them and got probably the best support i've ever had.
Those chinks really are workingtheir asses off constantly updating drivers for all their products, even the old ones.
>>2441936
Anything and git gud
my inking on a standard tablet is way better than what i can do traditionally just because it's the tool i used the most and got used to the most.
So magical eye to hand is bullshit, it's just about getting used to your tool.
>>2441779
Digital inking i.e. tracing shit is 1000 times harder when the display is separate from the interface.
>>2441896
> not using stabilization
> not zooming to 400%
> not spamming ctrl+z
> not making your custom brushes
>>2441779
Painting feels about the same as on an intuos. Drawing feels funner and more intuitive when you're drawing on the screen. It's not as precise as traditional media, but it's a noticeable improvement over an intuos. YMMV
>>2441896
>1000% zoom
>stabilize 75%
>vector ex machina
>>2442771
Those will only get you so far. You'll still run into problems when doing long lines and large curves.
>>2442773
Not at all
The longer curves can be done in multiple strokes, and as long as you don't have Parkinsons, it still comes out fluid
Being able to freely play with the lines on a vector layer makes it even easier
>>2442796
>The longer curves can be done in multiple strokes
I don't want disgusting chicken scratches thanks
>>2441992
Only if you're a retard that can't install and update drivers.
>tfw you use a cintiq at school and when it ends for the year you'll have to go back to using the intuos pro you bought last summer but barely have touched
it's going to be such an uncomfortable learning curve since practically all of my experience with tablets have been with grorious cintiqs
>>2442797
The opposite actually. Very steady. very deliberate. You could think of it more as surgically outlining your paper sketch, not drawing it all over again as you normally would
You're actually not going over any lines that you've already drawn, just connecting them while keeping the angle of overall arch in mind
It could be kinda difficult if patience isn't your strongsuit
>tfw I have a tiny ass wacom bamboo
Do any of you guys use it or did you used to use it?
>>2441742
Sunibee uses bamboo, get gud.
>>2441742
I used a graphire2 4x5 for about 8 years you worthless cunt.
If you can't ink without a cintiq it just means you can't do it.
>>2441936
Surface Pro 4 (just wait till 5 is out, then buy 4) for Tablet+Laptop.
You fags, you can work on anything if you practice. What matters is the skill not the equipment. It is true that better eq like cintiq can help but the true stuff is in your skill.
I work on wacom fun pen and I am not ashamed to admit that, because it surves its purpose and I am happy.
>>2442833
i had mine for 4 years now, will be upgrading to cintiq soon
>>2441751
That's actually completely wrong. I used an intuos for 4 years and by the end of it I was so fed up with trying to do line art quickly that I bought a cintiq. It's infinitely better.
You can do good line art with an intuos but it takes bloody ages because it's so scratchy.
>>2441779
What a load of crap.
>>2441965
Don't listen to this idiot.
>>2441788
y is cuck?
>>2441965
A cintiq is way way better, but it can also be used as a regular tablet if you set the screen to duplicate. So by definition it is infact superior in every way.
>>2443020
Because?
>>2443024
The problem many people have with the cintiq is that it doesn't in fact feel like drawing on paper, but feels like you are drawing on a glass plate above your paper. So your lines never actually end up exactly where you want them to.
Please everybody using a cintiq post your work. I cant take you seriously if your work is shit and you lack the skills to use a regular tablet. The way you describe some of this shit is like a cintiq is magical. Ive gone through 22-27qhd. The only difference is drawing on your monitor. You can create the exact same quality work on a regular tablet. What you lack are skills fuccbois
>>2443030
I ask for the inverse. Bamboo owners upload your inked lineart.
>>2443025
Never buy an Intuos if you can afford a Cintiq. Ever.
I say this with four years of illustration experience under my belt.
My production speed tripled after I got a Cintiq.
>>2443034
work post pls
If you cant draw with an intuous, you cant draw with a cintiq, thats the way it is.
Its bigger and might be slightly better if your hand-eye coordination is on the level of an infant, but it wont do the work for you.
>>2443047
>>2442982
>>2442869
>>2442855
>>2441954
>>2442007
>>2441751
Sure, for sketching "a bad artist always blames their tools" and a cintiq would give you minimal aid. But this isn't sketching. Posts like these just makes me think a retard is trying to fit in and pretend to know what they're talking about by parroting a popular /ic/ rhetoric of which they never truly understood the context to apply it in.
>>2443059
This is what actual greenhorns believe.
>>2443059
>I don't agree with something!
>I'll just call it a meme/rhetoric and everyone saying it a parrot
Solid argument faggot. Plenty of artists can ink well with just a tablet.
>>2443075
>ink/trace on a bamboo without ctrl-z'ing like crazy
I manage pretty well. Once you develop yor hand-eye coordination from lots of practice and get a high-enough level of confidence to keep your hand steady, you really only need yo ctrl+z maybe 1 out of every 50 strokes or so. It's not really an exhaustive process at all.
Matter of fact, in an odd way, it actually sort of trains your hand and eye to work together, almost like an assisted contour exercise. My traditional drawing actually got cleaner after spending time looking at the screen while working on the tablet. You get very intimately familiar with what sort of motion creates what sort of line, on an intuitive level.
But it's not for everyone, You're really only limited by your own patience
>>2443085
>I manage pretty well.
Prove it?
>>2443075
>Why don't you show me an artist who can ink/trace on a bamboo without ctrl-z'ing like crazy?
>>2441760
>450 fucking dollars
I know i've spent 400 on hookers but...
>>2443093
400 $1 hookers, 4 $100 hookers, 2 $200 hookers or 1 $400 hooker?
>>2443090
rapoza uses a cintiq you fuck
>>2443107
Nope. He said several times he uses an intuos and really dislikes how the cintiq feels. You can watch his level up interview where he says it as well. I'm afraid a cintiq won't make your art any better.
>>2443121
>>2443107
And before you try to be a smartass about it, yes I know he posted on his instagram about using the cintiq companion. When he's not on his PC doing actual work. His regular work is all done with an intuos.
>>2441742
I use an intuos 4 for inking anon, It's not that bad and and I have been using it for 6 years now.
I tried using my wife's cintiq but it seems I got so used to using intuous that I have to readjust myself just to use it.
This must be the thread where people blame their tools on their own incompetence.
>>2443152
>muh tools
I tried to draw on Cintiq and its feel much comfortable and superior. This muh Rapoza argument is retarded too. Cintiq objectively give you more than intuos.
>this thread
tl;dr - The music is not in the violin
Now let's all get the fuck back to work
>>2443127
Too much black.
>>2443182
That's a bit insensitive, don't you think?
>>2443111
Nigger I'm talking about actual fucking lineart, everybody can do that shit with 100px wide lines that you did. Trying finding something more elaborate asshat because your "work" proves absolutely nothing.
>>2443127
That's not the kind of lineart I want. Those lines are wobbly as fuck and what's more they're not even following the original sketch. I want my lines to be EXACTLY as on the sketch.
>>2441758
I noticed that every cintiquefaggot has this kind of shitty style he could do with Genius and be alright.
Tell me WHY do you even need a Cintique if you draw crappy minimalistic stickfigures?
There are literally like 2 types of C-fags:
1) professionals working in Blizzard office or some shit - thir bossed bought it because "muh AAA+ company"
2) retarded autists with stickfigures sitting behin a fucking giant screens with turds on them
All the good/average/great artists i know draw on regular tablets. What is the fucking point tell me.
>>2443814
>What is the fucking point tell me.
We already told you in the OP you fuck.
Getting smooth, long, thin, PRECISE lines is difficult when you can't foresee where the pen is going.
>>2443839
Is it really your eyes that guide the pen though?
>>2443842
Yes. Do you understand the difference between drawing and sketching?
>>2443846
drawing and tracing*, crap
>>2443839
>Getting smooth, long, thin, PRECISE lines is difficult when you can't foresee where the pen is going.
Lol literally WHAT?
I guess im gladd i didn't born with a retard mind or some shit.
My work is 90% of smooth lineart. You can go fuck yourself now.
>>2443839
>Getting smooth, long, thin, PRECISE lines is difficult on regular tablet
>>2443874
wat
Errr whatever actually. It's not like its me who is a shitty artist with retard-eyes. :D
>>2443166
funny, how all the masters use charcoal.
on paper.
but thats just an observation of fact.
>>2443030
You can do the same quality of line art with an intuos, but you can do it far far faster with a cintiq. A big part of that is because your drawing is truly one to one whereas on most intuos to monitor ratios are not exactly the same. Though I'm not talking about like, a square intuos and a wide screen monitor, that is super fucked, but rather a size difference. Another part of it is how you might be drawing with the tablet lying flat and the monitor is upright, or one of the two might be slightly angled. Point is there are many aspects that take away from the one to one drawing experience when using an intuos and it adds up and it can really slow you down.
>>2443874
Post your goal inking and i will replicate it with my intuos
post you are work
>>2443106
looking at your example, honestly the fact that it was drawn on an intuos is noticable, your curves are uneven and wobbly. Even when I tried super hard for it to look clean when I used an intuos, I could only ever get it to look about as good as you have there.
A cintiq lets you do better and faster.
I know I sound like I'm bullshitting but I feel like I know more about this stuff than most people on /ic/ do and I'm dead serious when I say a cintiq is way better.
>>2442819
Did you draw that with a brush? Should have just pen tooled it desu, your curves are really bad and your corners not sharp. Not the best example.
>>2443895
>>2443028
who the fuck told you that? it's nothing like drawing on glass.
U just jelly of people's cintiq's?
All the saltyness in this thread is horrifying.
How about instead of judging each other we just go ahead and enjoy our beloved tablets.
(cintiqfag here, used intuos for 5 years, fucking glad I can leave that horrid shit behind me)
>>2441742
I'm on a fucking 40 dollar 10x6 Monoprice branded Huion. I can make nice lines. Why can't you? I'll answer that.
Two things that you need to get:
1) Gud.
2) Over your faggotry.
>>2444095
>I can make nice lines
Everybody can make nice lines. Can you make nice lines that's not even one millimeter off from the original pencil sketch?
>>2444098
>everybody can make nice lines
>original pencil sketch
>using millimeter to measure digital line work variation
If I'm to apply your very strange logic in the way that I think you mean it, then, yes. Obviously. Why would make a post touting the idea that it can be done well without being able to do it well?
>>2444095
>I can make nice lines.
Prove it.
>>2444106
>no I can't
Got it.
>>2443780
lines were only 3.0 wide brotha man
the black was a fill tool :3
>>2444232
two hours tops boyo
you can move pretty swiftly when there's such a low margin of error
>>2444119
current wip
>>2444254
Are you kidding me? That's wobbly as shit. Please stop embarrassing yourself.
>>2444257
thanks for the encouragement!
>>2441751
You mustve never used actual Cintiq. Of course it's just a tool like everything else but it allow you to use your traditional drawing skill to some extent. Once I got mine I started using Intuos only for 3D stuff, since going through menus and shit is a pin in the butt on a Cintiq, but for everything else it's flat out much better.
ITT: people who dont draw enough
you fuckin' shitters
You draw exactly the same at a high level on an intuos as you would a cintiq
the only god damn difference is you see your fuckin' hand all the god damn fuckin' time
draw more shit lords
>>2443899
>>2443903
thanks for the feedback!
I don't expect to be able to get perfect curves for a long time, to be honest. Still making a point to get my stuff shit on now so I can archive it
>>2444261
I got a cintiq 13hd after 3 years of either drawing traditionally or using a tablet, and when I finally used it, I found it minimally better than the intuos, and nowhere near as good as traditional. Inking was still hard, painting was ass, and the only benefit was animating, which was still a pain in the ass because everything was so tiny.
Is the only cintiq worth getting the giant ones? Because I've found the 13hd to be a waste of money. Ended up returning it after 1 week animating several hours a day, still didn't like it by the end.
>>2444256
Shitty monoprice brothers. Except my lines still look like poop without stabilizers so I just draw on paper.
use whatever you find comfortable, who gives a shit what people think
>>2444289
>doing lineart in photoshop
>>2444305
even in mangastudio it comes out all wobbly and shit
>>2442855
>Sunibee
FUCK YOU
>>2443177
The music is NOT in the violin. But the professionals will buy the best violin they can afford.
>>2444264
Nah. Most professionals prefer Cintiqs.
It's not about quality. it's about speed, dum dum.
>>2444266
I use a 13HD for my client work. Honestly I'd prefer a 22 inch, but I couldn't afford it.
Basically yes. A 22 inch Cintiq is better. However, if you couldn't make good use of the 13HD, there may be a problem with your comfort level with digital art.
Lord knows even working with a 22 inch at the studio I used to work at, it still took me a long time to start feeling comfortable with digital work.
>>2442869
Graphires suck. They always sucked.
>>2443864
Post art
>>2444256
From now on I'll post this instead of merc_wip
>>2443952
Pretty sure that's traditional ink on paper (except the text)
>>2444256
Is that you, Gabe? Thanks for actually making me reconsider emptying my bank account on a Cintiq....
>>2447267
Your point?
>>2443127
Making all that detail and deciding to throw all in pitch black is why I will never, EVER, will be good with shadows.
Ink traditionally, what's the problem? If you ruin your piece accidentally you will only scream in agony like an animal being butchered.
