So I found an atelier and a lot of their students have really good work. The problem is it expensive, but I can afford it as I work full time and it only weekends.
Are atelier a meme?
Is the sight size method good?
Will I be able to draw cute anime girls with classical drawing skills?
Pic related is one of the tutors work.
I drop out of an art course as we didn't do any drawing and instead was doing modern art garbage.
It's actually one of the unique spaces where you get useful training at art. But it's expensive, so take use of their knowledge intensively and train at home. Don't stay there too many hours, as you're gonna pay for working on it yourself.
>>2431889
your greatest asset is having a teacher to guide you in the right direction. help you right your wrongs. if i didnt live in the middle of buttfuck nowhrere id try to go to an atelier.
If can afford it, well yeah, go for it.
>>2431889
>Will I be able to draw cute anime girls with classical drawing skills?
Elaborate. What is your goal with art? If your only goal is to draw cute anime girls as a hobby, then you sure as hell shouldn't be wasting your time and money on an atelier.
>>2432114
This is terrible advice. Skills you learn at an atelier have some of the broadest applications relative to other types of artistic training.
>>2431889
Spent three years in a atelier. Met some cool and skilled people.
One thing I can tell you straight away. Atelier training as it's typically done will do VERY little for your ability to draw qts from imagination. Almost zero. Some long term students were able to make amazing figure drawings and paintings from life yet their figures from imagination were garbage. We did some Vilppu and anatomy stuff, but it wasn't a big focus. The students that were good at imagination stuff, and some were REALLY good, were all self taught in that regard. In realistic terms they got mostly better at rendering when they applied the atelier stuff.
Kyle, BBC-Chan and the other porn thread regulars have better figure invention skills than most people that teach at ateliers.
>>2433306
Kyle just does paintovers, albeit they're pretty good.
sight size is good for self learning. You'll notice your mistakes by yourself and can improve that way greatly. Go to an atelier if you don't feel confident in giving yourself practical critiques.
but then again just go bargue. buy an easel and work off vertically, good for long term investment.
>>2431889
what atlier is this? I wanna go
>>2431889
I started going to an Atelier a couple weeks ago. Good stuff. Where I'm at, If you want to go full-time you can do so for about 1/4th of the cost of a typical art school. You get 24 hour access to your own studio, tons of casts and props to study from, almost daily life drawing sessions and professional instruction throughout.
It's refreshing to talk about art with people in person; I'm surprised that there are quite a few young people as well. Who knows, you might even get a gf out of it, fampai.
>Will I be able to draw cute anime girls with classical drawing skills?
An anime girl is just a figure drawing from the neck down.
It appears that the focus of many of the courses at the atelier are primarily about observational drawing and painting, but at least at the atelier I'm attending there are quite a few courses and workshops that would definitely be relevant to someone that wants to do any kind of imaginative work. There are life drawing sessions, gesture drawing sessions, perspective courses and anatomy workshops, all of which have universal value. There's also an illustration course. Even a course in the sight-size method might help you observe some of the subtler details and measure proportions of an ostensibly imaginative subject more accurately.
I would consider what >>2433306 is saying as well, though, if you do decide to go to an atelier, decide what you want to do and take classes there accordingly; if you don't want to be a realist/impressionist painter you might not want to bother with full-time, but they still offer valuable services to people in your position and they are worthy of your support.
If you don't feel like going to a real school there is New Masters Academy, which doesn't have live instruction or feedback (which are very important), but does have lectures by some great instructors at a very modest price.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1CjxQXXA7o
>>2438787
why are atelier fees so much less than "typical art school" fees?
>>2438787
>tfw no ateliers in my country
kill me
>>2438868
In my case, the atelier is a non-profit organization. At $7,500 per year (for full time attendance and 24 hour access), it's not exactly cheap for a guy like me - but it's way inexpensive relative to the often dubious pricing of some of the for-profit art schools of which we may be more familiar. The best part of an atelier is that you can pick and choose specific courses to fit your specific goals, these courses cost (in the case of my atelier) around $160-$250 for 15 weekly, 3 hour sessions. If you're into animation or something like that you could probably get away with paying a couple thousand a year for the relevant stuff.
The fact that they teach 30 students (according to their needs) on the same total budget that a good deal of schools fail to teach 4 makes them an organization I'm happy to contribute to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by4ex5KsnQU
You will learn to draw literally LITERALLY what you're seeing, like a photocopy.
If you want to draw from imagination read Michael Hampton instead and stody at home, and draw. A lot.
It's great to get under the wing of some really great people. You'll absorb their knowledge and your art will improve.
>>2431889
For me, traditional drawing/painting training allows me better to draw from imagination, because I can actually interpret what I am imagining and how to translate the blurb back into something tangible. And the better I get, the more complicated drawings from imaginations are possible. IOW, less limits, which is often what exactly frustrates beginners.
There is also that a lot of books about manga/anime become easier to understand.
For drawing routines to draw cute girls you still need to grab resources about exactly that and buy a separate set of tools and need to learn on the site and draw from imagination.
Doing traditional drawing isn't even about doing anatomy (this is only for the people who go for that specifically,) but doing a few months of intensive drawing training so you can render nicely from life and learn how to draw efficiently and fast and understand how color works is a huge boon for anyone who wants to draw anything. If you can you should even draw on the side more of this to culture yourself even if you achieve your personal goal.
>>2441223
As compelled as I am to tell you it would potentially be more trouble than it's worth, sorry fambo. If it's any consolation I'll take more pictures of the grounds later this week. All modern Ateliers share a common lineage tracing back to a handful of individuals, so likely have many similarities. I'll try and be as thorough as possible without being too redundant. The great majority of the space is taken up by the full time student's personal workspaces and I don't want to creep around them too much, but I'll take a few more shots just so you can get a general conception of what to expect.
If you're interested in attending an atelier yourself, the first step is finding out if one's near you, the simplest way to do that is typing in "atelier" into maps.google.com, see if you have any near you and give them a call or scope out their website.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHNj0AX5efI
>>2441392
i see...
im in the north west.
