Listen up, /ic/.
The sticky isn't as good as it could be, and all this information that would be great to use is split into different places.
We got the google site w-ic-i and the hubpages already, and everyone DOES read them when they come here, right?
But then there is also the book thread, the animation thread, the alternative style thread, the beginner thread, the draw thread, the towergirls thread, and the porn thread, each having their own information pools and links.
The hubpages and w-ic-i don't, and /CAN'T/ update enough to be up-to-date. The only way to keep up all the great information we post for each other is to have us, ourselves, post it.
So why not have a way to do that?
After >>2389472 had the idea for a new sticky thread, I've decided to help and think up of the better way to do it.
So, I present to you, the collaborative sticky:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VfDTpLLVl5bWUGWguswKpPFml533luI8-NBd1EGYHnA/edit
Absolutely everyone can edit. You can add anything you might think is relevant. If you see someone post a cool website, and it helped you out, post it in there.
If you found a great reference pack, either name what it is or post a link to it. If you read a great book that you think would help a lot of us, post it in there.
The point is that it will be a collection of what everyone thinks will help. The ultimate beginner's guide to drawing. Because there is no end to this beginning.
BUT WAIT? IT'LL BE CHAOS! Some cool dude will delete everything! Every third word will be replaced by LOOMIS! Ruan Jia will try to shill on it like no one has ever shilled before!
Well, that's why there will be an uneditable, but viewable edition that'll be the actually majorly viewed sticky/guide. It contains a link to the raw uncensored autism that'll be the editable guide. I'll update the major sticky with whatever contribution I think contributes even a fraction to what could be your god like skill.
Everyone is a work in progress.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1edkrSgGzcCybmB5sBR9OWh1_JifPW8EmkLW-kPZxcEY/edit
I’ll be working on to clean this up/simplifiy sections/adding shortcuts/collaborating all infromation from all generals. This will take a day or five depending on whether I’ve gotten in over my head.
I made it so anyone can also comment on any part of this document if you’d like to get messages across faster and more directly to me, but I will read be reading the editable sticky as often as I can between grinding figure studies.
All my free time until this looks good will be go to insuring this looks good.
After that, I’ll read the edited sticky daily, and update this weekly, or sooner if there is some juicy info that I think needs sharing onto the locked version immediately.
If you want to send messages DIRECTLY to me, send them to [email protected]
ALSO USE THE FUCKING THREAD. I’ll shill this only as much as I think it needs to be. This is a COLLABRATIVE effort. Oriented for beginners, since they are the ones that need the jumpstart, but I'm hoping on it being big enough that it becomes a compendium of resources, and a resource in it's own right.
Anyone have ANY suggestions at all?
The more voices heard the better.
I'm not gonna bother looking at any sticky, but I'll let you know one thing:
There isn't enough structure. You can't just slam 50 options in a wiki for an artist to browse and call it a day. There has to be a unified learning path built for prospective artists.
After years of this shit, we should all know that Loomis is trash and should not be recommended. Vilppu is a far better alternative for starters. He should come immediately after Bert Dodson.
>>2414687
>I'm not gonna bother looking at any sticky, but I'll let you know one thing
you should probably look at the sticky!
what the hell happened to the other wiki? did it died?
>>2414696
Everytime i tried to modify it it broke, so i transitioned it to a reddit post ( on beg thread), then we talked about it on discord and now its on google docs.
>>2414687
Well, this is a community of struggling newbies and those that stuck on the path until they got good, so if anyone should be able to pool their resources and figure out what's happening in our heads, it's us.
And the whole point of this sticky is that it's to be as flexible as possible. What's there right now is a carcass of previous works. I'm going to tear off all the meat and get to the bone, and if the bone isn't nice enough to my taste, I'll toss it and rebuild.
I'll do this until it's effective, and then pleasing.
>>2414696
The wikia had problems with editing.
It was decided to go to a new format.
>>2414701
Well, at least you should have a page for recommended learning paths on the side, as an option for people who care about that sort of thing.
>>2414706
Learning paths as in recommended choices in learning the fundamentals and with schedules?
I'll add whatever I think helps, and that'd certainly help. Stuff like Aguri's guide? I don't know anyone elses learning paths that are written down, though. Write down what helped you, and I'll post it, and try to find books that match what you are suggesting.
I'm aiming for having a page for pretty much everything.
There is no reason for this to be limited in size.
(RIP MOBILE USERS)
First I think, is to teach beginners what the fuck a study is. Because I sure as hell didn't before I came to this board.
>>2414728
What's a study, in your own words?
>>2414559
>and everyone DOES read them when they come here, right?
No. I already know it's just full of the collected works of Loomis! plus a few extra links.
>>2414740
that's what I was getting at.
>>2414706
i dont think learning paths should even be a thing.
>>2414733
What a study is not about: mindlessly copying a photo.
I did that for a while.
It wasn't totally useless though, I found out that my eyeballing got better. You'd be going down the Mark Crilley route however.
When you do a study, the goal is to learn the underlying form, construction, balance, texture... anything! of the subject. The point is to understand what you're trying to learn by analyzing it. there was a good tutorial about merging your knowledge of construction while you're drawing from a reference. for me, listening to how others are breaking down their forms is like taking the notes of their study. in short, i find study akin to having a tutorial/revelation/epiphany in your head. well, sorta.
Normally when I do a study session I find it more efficient to do one thing at a time.
when I'm doing gestures, i focus on simple lines. i then observe the balance between the lines that represent the body.
when I'm doing construction, what i try to do is to disregard the gesture parts. only try to focus on the "seeing in 3D forms" part.
I've found out that focusing on one thing at a time is great to keep a high attention span, thus I also manage to notice my mistakes better this way.
textures and renderings are usually done at the last stage. I don't focus on these anymore because I'm trying to get better at construction/gestures.
sorry for the shitty grammar, I know being on mobile isn't a good excuse but damn correcting mistakes is too much of a pain.
>>2414747
Why not?
>>2414749
thanks, will add.
Going to sleep now.
Fucking give me more words and opinions and images and charts. I need to share it all.
Updated editable.
Good night.
>>2414750
can cause people to crash, my cause people to draw less, they arent really that much more effective than any other spur of the moment training regiment. You'll ignore your self assessed flaws in favor of your regiment.
i can see a lot of problems.
>>2414559
I hope people acknowledge my word play at least.
Because op didnt clearly.
>>2414749
something to add which helped to do proper studies was this one simple rule:
>once you look at the subject and turned your look back on paper, you are not allowed to look again at the subject for ~2 min
it isn't mainly a exercise to train your memory, but one to force you to look at and understand your subject
Googledocs look fucking terrible for something like this and are absolutely confusing. You don't like wikia, so I ported it to shoutwiki and also snagged a nice subdomain
http://learntodraw.shoutwiki.com
http://learntodraw.shoutwiki.com
http://learntodraw.shoutwiki.com
http://learntodraw.shoutwiki.com
>>2414996
I just roughly copied it and I'm going over it now to fix up any resulting ugliness.
>>2415000
>>2414996
While I understand that the google docs doesn't /look/ right for this right now, it has a few advantages I'd like to state.
First off, it's extremely easy to edit, you just click and start typing away.
Secondly, you con suggest/comment on absolutely every line, adding for more layers of feedback.
Thirdly, the system I'm using can't be grieved to any meaningful extent, there'll always be a stable document.
I want the first and foremost priority of the site to be the ease at which for someone to voice their experience and recommendations. Wiki sites don't have a mental association with just writing whatever you have at mind at the time, while a word document does.
I do however understand that it doesn't look good, and that the formatting could use a lot of change and the fact that it's a page layout restricts it in some ways of ease.
I'd LOVE for there to be an actual site that replicates the experience I'm trying to capture with the google docs, and if there was any dev that'd like to whip it up, I'd love transfer all the stuff there and make sure it looks good, but there isn't yet.
I'm going to continue using the google docs until there is an alternative that is better in every single way, I don't think the shout-wiki is.
What are you problems of confusion, and why do you think google docs are bad? I'd like to remedy it.
sitemap:
table of contents
beginner
the mindset
scheduling
get inspired
fundamentals
perspective
anatomy
construction
light
color
composoition
tools
physical
sketching
painting
digital
tablets
programs
how to be cheap as fuck
resources
books
videos
websites
image packs
artists to know
classical
youtube
meme
being professional
how to make money
career choices
boardculture
memes
anon’s corner of advice and asks
community
chatrooms
paintchats
tumblrs
other places to learn and be a part of
glossary
Anyone have any more sections to add/remove/change before I commit to starting to write it all up?
>>2415168
oh jeez, tabs didn't work.
sitemap:
table of contents
beginner
the mindset
---scheduling
---get inspired
fundamentals
---perspective
---anatomy
---construction
---light
---color
---composoition
tools
---physical
------sketching
------painting
---digital
------tablets
------programs
---how to be cheap as fuck
resources
---books
---videos
---websites
---image packs
artists to know
---classical
---youtube
---meme
being professional
---how to make money
---career choices
boardculture
---memes
---anon’s corner of advice and asks
community
---chatrooms
---paintchats
---tumblrs
other places to learn and be a part of
glossary
>>2415000
>That picture
Someone's actually saved one of mine
I'm getting tired editing stuff for today. 4 hours out of my art schedule gone to the wind.
This is for everyone, preferably BY everyone.
Add as much as shit as you want, change as much as you want, if you find anything annoying, think anything is wrong, just contribute and say it. It's not that hard. There's not even captcha!
>>2414559
>Vilppu
>Hampton
>Loomis
>Bridgeman
In that order
>>2415477
YOU DO IT YOURSELF.
>>2414687
Do you have a link to a pdf of Vilppu's books?
>>2414559
added some stuff
Currently going through every link on every website that is ever crosslinked on every sticky/wiki/recommendations I can find.
i'm just straight up adding links in, I'll make it look pretty later, I want it to have as much meat as possible before I cut stuff down.
SO FUCKING START RECOMMENDING PAGES/LINKS, PLOX.
I can only go through so many tumblrs/wikis/forums/pastebins a day. I'l'l have one more hour of this for today, then I'll be going back to drawing.
For each of the fundamentals, I'd like to have a book recommendation or long ass tutorial or great tutorial image that centralizes on them.
It needs to be something that ACTUALLY helped you.
So rec something for
Construction and Form (people are unhappy with Fun with a Pencil that I chose)
Perspective (I'm going with Norling for now)
Anatomy and Gesture (I'll probably go Hampton for anatomy and Vilppu for gesture but i want more opinions)
Light and Value (Gurney? I don't know I haven't been interesting in anything beyond line)
Color theory (I am literally colorblind)
Composition (No idea)
>>2416893
I'm thinking on compiling any actual good tutorial image/reference material that isn't already packaged somewhere into a torrent file for sharing.
This'll take a A LONG time. I'm planning on going through every "art and reference" like tumblr and scour everywhere for every hand diagram, every good skeleton sheet and muscle namer, expression charts, lighting panoramas, statues, process tutorials, perspective tricks, ETC. ANYTHING that could be useful for someone.
What it WON'T include is anything that is just original art, unless said art was done solely for instruction, like the Bargue plates, or any statue.
It WON'T include any actual photos of people or figures, unless those were done with instructional/lighting purposes in mind, such as this one.
Basically, I want to compile anything anyone has done to help teach others, so if a newbie was like "how do i draw knees again" they could go to anatomy > lower body > knees and find 6 tutorials, and several knees images themselves to practice.
WHY DON'T people do stuff like this already?
Anyway, if I DO do this, it'll be limited to 5gb, and I'll only do it once, so I'm going to make extra sure that I have everything that I need, and it's properly sorted, etc.
Then, I'll do a prototype torrent, maybe keep it private or have it for a select group, wait until they download it all, and confer with them, and see what I need to add/remove.
I probably won't release the torrent until 2 months from now, but, just a heads up, and a question.
WOULD YOU LIKE THIS?
OKAY.
I think it looks good enough now that I don't have to do things myself.
The editable
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1VfDTpLLVl5bWUGWguswKpPFml533luI8-NBd1EGYHnA/edit#
is now the main st/ic/ky. The locked version can be seen by clicking the "TO DO" on table of contents, but there really is no point, the locked version is exactly like the editable st/ic/ky, just with my email address and a to do list, and a few things left over from when I was trying to revamp the whole thing.
THE EDITABLE IS WHAT YOU SHOULD SHARE.
Write what you think needs to be shared! If you think something looks dumb, shouldn't be on there, needs fixing, isn't written write, could look better, would benefit from a joke, THEN ADD IT YOURSELF!
I'll be working on it from noon to two EST every day for a month or so, then I'll just drop by every week.
This thing needs to get HUUUUUUUUUEG.
ACTUAL PROS AND PEOPLE WHO'VE MADE IT, YOU ARE THE MOST IMPORTANT PEOPLE TO SHARE INFORMATION TO US. WHAT IS IT LIKE THERE, AT THE SUMMIT?
>>2417317
(by main st/ic/ky i mean "main version of our collaborative project". I wonder when, if it will, replace /ourwici/)
Good evening.
Today I'll be cleaning up links and making them look nice.
Adding a few links, and putting reading recommendations here and there.
Done working on the thread today.
How about some of you guys, especially the ones who've made, work on it? Seriously, even the five minutes it takes to go it, then click "ADD YOUR OPINIONS HERE" and ranting about how this is a dumb idea would be GREAT!
i literally fucked up everything on the google doc
>headings are now legit headings, as opposed to just normal text with bold and underline formatting
>normal text is now just normal text, verdana is default font now
>blank lines are kill
legit autistic outburst
not sorry
>>2418825
i won't even view the thing until tomorrow at noon, otherwise I get lost in editing it and stuff, so I can't wait to see how you ruined it.
>>2414559
>people complain that wikia is poorly optimized
>create a google doc instead
I seriously think that you are mentally challenged
>>2419391
What is wrong with a google doc, please seriously tell me.
It's extremely easy to update with new information, and that's what I think should be the focus right now: as much information and ideas and opinions as possible. That's the problem I have with the current wikis. They are old, they aren't up to date, and you don't actually learn anything from them you couldn't learn from books.
Anyway, going to start working on it for today.
I'm go write up the fundamentals even though I don't have enough practice with them and can't write, and see if I can't flare some anon's autism into improving them.
BWEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE.
Done for the day. Tomorrow I'll add as many youtubers as I think are actually good.
THIS IS FOR EVERYONE, BY EVERYONE.
If you've got a single problem with how things are/look/are written, then change it yourself! If you are so lazy that you don't even want to do that, then even leaving a comment/post is going to do more good then leaving the thought in your brain.
>>2417034
late reply but that would be great.
What a wonderful noon time.
How will I edit it today?
>meme section
Done for the day, fuck it.
I'll go through all these books that I have and figure out which ones look like they actually teach you instead of throw words at you.
bumpie...
>>2423020
Oh, no fear, I am here!
Had a little spotty morning, but I'm gonna start editing now.
Done for the day. I've barely read any of these books, so I really think people should either edit out ones that they think are shit and add ones that've helped them.
Clocking in.
I stared at the page for an hour, opening up resources here or there, thinking on what I can do.
I can't do anything. I'm a shit tier artist as of yet.
Tomorrow, I'm going to rewrite sections, make it less janky as fuck, since I haven't yet actually given it a once over.
I need to write as much as I can, just pour my head into it and then edit that down.
I'll do that tomorrow.
I know if I start now, I won't finish for a long while, and I need to stick to my schedule.
Please, if you have anything to add to the wiki, if you have any idea you want to share, if you want to edit it in anyway, just do so. Even if it's jarring or it doesn't fit with the style, add it to the ideas/comments section, and I'll integrate it, it doesn't matter how inane it is.
I just gotta think on how I'm going to proceed with this thing.
>>2416893
>>2424686
Just throwing ideas around:
Exercise centric books vs. knowledge centric? Sometimes people just want to exercise, sometimes they gotta read.
Books by topic? Fundamentals are useful, but useful books by "art form" will help a lot of anons.
Pose books?
Useful illustration collections?
Useful art collections?
Some beginners will probably hate these, but can we add somewhere resources and exercises about general basic drawing skills? This feels sorely lacking:
- "The Elements of Drawing, by John Ruskin" (ink, traditional water colors/pigments)
- "Harding's Lessons on Drawing"/"On Drawing Trees and Nature" (pencil)
- "Composition - Understanding Line, Notan and Color"
This way people can flex their drawing muscles. And I don't need to repeat posting books about basic shit. And all of them can be found on the internets and for cheap on amazon.
Also a primer on the wiki for modern use of traditional tools and techniques? Most
books are completely outdated when it comes to traditional drawing tools and will recommend you to draw like in 1850; art suppliers aren't helping because they love to sell these.
Maybe someone has replacement books for these? A lot of new books which aren't targeted at hobbyists seem to be well-hidden.
The sticky should just be a link to Draw A Box. You know it is true.
>>2425095
Draw a box is great, but it isn't enough.
We can do more.
Good noontime. Time to clock in.
>>2414559
JESUSCHRIST, can u stop posting the same shit over and over again? holy fuck u post that draw everytime u can. why u dont stop doing this and just drawing something new. what´s this? this is your mona-lisa or something? is really pissing me off.
>>2425933
Heavily edited the introduction to drawing section/common mistakes.
Now, I need to ACTUALLY write the fundamentals section. I can't wait to suffer. Tomorrow.
Please feel free to add or edit at anytime for any reason.
>>2425379
Drawabox is stupid. Stop shilling. Stop breathing.
>>2426113
It's a resource like any other. What is your specific issue with it?
>>2426126
It's reddit trash, taught by an idiot who doesn't what he's talking about. Now that think about, it is well suited for dumb wannabes. So yeah let's leave it as the focus for you anons who want to "get gud".
>>2426131
GJ on pointing out any actual flaws.
I myself have not gone through it.
>>2426143
He takes cliché lessons from cheap design schools and regurgitates them with boring rants about how other online teachers don't focus on what he thinks they should, even though his shit is very near identical to a lot other's. It's some pretentious punk that went to ONE school, for only a couple of years, and thinks he got it all figured out.
didn't read the sticky, didn't read this thread, but this seems like a good addiction to a sticky
http://design.tutsplus.com/articles/realism-photorealism-and-style-in-drawing--cms-21630
computer shat itself, ill see what i can do on my phone.
Pretty sure I just broke my wacom, so I'm sitting here in a stew. Will resume tomorrow.
wait u guys actually read the sticky ?
>>2429737
Everyone should read the sticky, it'd actually help you improve.
Good noontime, what'll I'll do today?
Something that would really help is if we found the top tier learning sources of performance psychology. Aka the mental game.
If you do not know how to tap into this you improve more slowly and can fall into sabotaging mentalities that cause you to perform inadequately no matter how much you practice.
There is also information out there on improving the rate at which you learn a skill or learn anything. That would help with art and anything else.
Finally we should run this by artists who are very skilled and see if they think our resource is good enough and add suggestions they have.
>>2430151
ha ha you really believe that ?!
>>2430216
Know of any good places to start?
>>2430227
Yes, I think a layout of methodologies and resources used by a great many people that've said it helped them improve and can even be seen in their art is in fact, beneficial to one's skill. Do you have any proof or reason otherwise, you asshat?
Anyway, I'm nearing the point of what I can share as a limited single human being whose only beginning.
Anyone, and everyone, please, try to add what you think should be added. I'm done for the day.
>>2430259
you dont know anything about a method. you dont it's history, it's theory, nothing. all you know is what you found that gets passed around from one wannabe to the next.
>>2430306
Sure, that may be true, but it's better to try and fail then to never try at all. And, hey! It might just actually help. However, complaining about it without ever actually experiencing or trying it for yourself literally helps no one, since you don't have any proof or reasoning for your stance. You are speaking hot air.
Today, I'm going to try something different. Since I can't right a section about color, due to my colorblindness, I'm just going to spend my daily two hours reading Color and Light by Gurney, and then see if I can sum it up in the section for color and light. It's better than the nothing that is currently there.
Remember, if you think you want to edit, add, remove, or comment on any part of the st/ic/ky, you are totally free to! It's open to absolutely everyone.
Done for the day.
I feel like I did a shitty job typing, expounded by the fact that I didn't get through the book, the fact that I haven't practiced any of what I preached, or anything...
I'm going to think of it as a placeholder.
Gonna finish reading color and light, then write the color section from his experiences. I'd really like it if /someone else/ did the color section, because I'm colorblind.
Tomorrow, what can I say about composition?
After that, the fundamentals will be done, so then I'll actually improve everything else into not looking like shit, then maybe share it around and maybe trick some people who know what their doing into writing into it.
>>2426173
thanks, this was useful
Good noon time.
Composition, I guess.
>>2434610
Don't burn yourself out.
>>2433228
Include the psychology of composition. You can't talk about art without talking about psychology. It's pointless to tell people to use "rule of thirds" unless they know what the purpose of it is. Art is meant to elicit an emotional reaction from the viewer, to persuade people to accept or reject certain points of view by appealing to their emotions. You don't just slap a rule of thirds on every single fucking image "just because". There's a time and place for it, and it needs to be explained as to when and why you choose to make compositions look they way they do.
Art is supposed to have meaning, it isn't supposed to be arbitrary and pretty- that's what design is for.
>>2435649
Complete nonsense. Emotion is the last thing to have a place in art.
Art is all math.
>>2435768
How can you expect to evoke emotion if you can't even convey it?
>>2414559
somebody for the love of god make the one foot in one foot out REEEE sections so I can fill it,
Welp, what to do today?
we should put this in somewhere right?
>>2437811
lol
>>2437811
should I keep spelling errors?
here a new sticky:
http://pastebin.com/Yt7Cs8Jc
thoughts? good so?
>>2440198
More options are always better, I guess, but that doesn't stop me from integrating that into the google docs, which is why I like the google docs more.
>>2440198
also, that is horrible.
>>2440521
Go ahead, do whatever you like. I just posted it as a WIP because I suddenly had the urge to write something up. For that pastebin was good enough.
Also, what is horrible, list too long? Too stupid?
>>2440634
One, it's mood is too hateful for encouragement. It seems as if you are being spiteful for spites sake.
Secondly, the message seems muddled. If it's a guide on how to have someone learn by their own, why is the first step get an education from someone else?
What's with the "XXX". Placeholders? For what reason?
You seem to have disdain for people who proclaim themselves smart? Some sort of complex there.
You don't actually state any resources or methods, or anything concrete. There is no terminology for a reader to concentrate on and research at a later date.
It's only when you are talking about materials does it stop feeling like armchair discussion, but even then, you still don't use that many specific, or any setups or methodology to use, you are steam of consciousness-ing.
Why propose something as a sticky until it suprasses the one in place?
>>2414559
YOU FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT, STOP POSTING YOUR FUCKIN "MERC_WIP.JPG" U FUCKING NERD I HATE U, U NEVER GONNA DO ANOTHER SHIT OR WHAT.
>>2440660
What's got you so riled up? You do know that it's just a joke, right? R-right?
I rewrote the beginning sections a bit.
I really need other people to rewrite/add flow to it. It keeps feeling amateurish, and I wrote a lot of it stream of consciousness style. I need to figure out what to really nail down and share.
It's starting to actually look like something though.
>>2440649
Thanks for the reply, this helps a lot.
>One, it's mood is too hateful for encouragement. It seems as if you are being spiteful for spites sake.
I tried channeling /ic/ vibes. If the sticky is rose colored and /ic/ is not people will just get wrong assumptions when reading the sticky. But there are probably better ways to write it.
>Secondly, the message seems muddled. If it's a guide on how to have someone learn by their own, why is the first step get an education from someone else?
It's because the problem is that you can't learn much by asking for critique on /ic/ before you get some basic skills and experience and the shortest way to force yourself through the start is if someone forces you and stands behind you. Nobody does that unpaid except your parents or school teachers maybe. And /ic/ certainly doesn't want to.
>What's with the "XXX". Placeholders? For what reason?
It is WIP draft, so I left out whatever would have wasted time because it can be inserted later.
>You seem to have disdain for people who proclaim themselves smart? Some sort of complex there.
No, just the problem with beginners shooting themselves into the foot and not realizing it when they try to be clever. But yeah, that probably ain't helping.
>You don't actually state any resources or methods, or anything concrete. There is no terminology for a reader to concentrate on and research at a later date.
Good point.
>It's only when you are talking about materials does it stop feeling like armchair discussion, but even then, you still don't use that many specific, or any setups or methodology to use, you are steam of consciousness-ing.
I had some methologies somewhere, but I left them out for now. Mhm.
>Why propose something as a sticky until it suprasses the one in place?
Obviously to one day surpass it. The alternative would have been to polish a turd for days without feedback.
Thanks again.
Good afternoon.
Time to edit.
>>2414559
>animation
add ToonBoom and Pencil2d
>>2414559
That's hilarious! You've managed to turn a single page of ignorant rambling into a wiki.
Top kek
Added my oppinions and a bunch of unfunny jokes.
you're welcome.
>>2442914
as promised, those jokes were unfunny.
>>2442331
at least it's something. i don't think it's ready for full on release and spamming yet, which is why i'm just having one thread for it instead of suggesting to be used everywhere. i'm working on it everyday until i think it's worthy.
>>2442270
why don't you?
Got sidetracked for an hour, then when I decided to actually look at the sticky, I saw all those changes. JEEEZ.
I'll work on redoing the fundamentals section, integrating what the new stuff is and rewriting so it's better tomorrow. Done for today.
I'm shying away from sections that I don't know how to write. I wish I was good at art so I could actually impart knowledge instead of just stealing it.
Done for the day.
Needs a detailed section on a viable curriculum. Also, example drawings by the creator(s). Without those things, it's just a resource dump. A basic one at that with pointless preamble.
