Can a bad reputation ruin your art career?
Once an artist gets popular enough, is it not inevitable that people will try to dig up dirt on them?
If anyone was so inclined, they could find my old gaia accounts, see my shitty 13 year old personal rants, my trolling. Find my old internet footprint and I'd be fucked. I've seen artists being accused of being pedophiles/abusers and it's fucking scary.
Can you even recover from that, or does it even matter?
>>2411665
All they would find on me is some bad pictures, some cringey rants, and talk about doing drugs or something.
I would just own it. Meh. That tends to be the best response imo as long as it's nothing like peeing on kids or w/e
>mfw I said some very anti-feminists anti-pc shit after the whole reporting-spree of Steven Universe babies when people drew the characters too "skinny" or whatever.
If I became popular, I'm sure those posts would bite me in the ass. I'll be labeled as some woman-hating body-shamer male chauvinist and/or nazi racist.
Welp.
>>2411665
>Can a bad reputation ruin your art career?
What kind of bad reputation? Bad reputation in working ethic, i.e. "giveman$120back" cases can surely ruin your career.
SJW clucking over your past is nothing but free ad
A reputation for dishonesty is the only thing that has destroyed a professional artist, as far as I know.
You can draw the most degenerate porn ever and get a job later, there are even artists that never stop while also doing their professional gig.
But, if you've scammed anyone for a dollar those victims will make sure everyone knows for the next 100 years.
>>2411665
>I've seen artists being accused of being pedophiles/abusers and it's fucking scary.
You can't prove anything in internet. Close your eyes, nigga. Or turn off internet and everyone dissapear. It's not IRL. If someone find your porn account you can always say it's not you/it your friend/brother/mom/gurl/etc. And dude, IRL if you refuse little request some people will so mad that they will spread rumors how horrible person you are, and they will act like you raped their mothers and ruined their life forever. There of millions people like them in internet. How you will deal with them without anonymous mask?
>can you draw free commision for me?)))
>no
>permanent butthurt
>>2411665
>I've seen artists being accused of being pedophiles/abusers and it's fucking scary.
Like who? The only artists I can think of who get accused of that are those who draw loli porn and shit. Never heard of any professional who had people dig up dirt on them. The only thing that people will probably do is call you out if you are tracing or using lots of photo references in a very uncreative way, where you just copy the photos. Other than that, I've never heard of a single instance of an artist having his career ruined by people "digging up dirt" on him.
>>2411665
shadman is hated by everyone yet he makes 2 grand on patreon
fuck your feelings and fuck your bitching
>>2411803
shadman is only hated by /ic/ and we all know that /ic/ just hates everyone.
I still fear the day they discover I was a white nationalist
>>2411807
He's also hated by /co/ and /v/ and pretty much any fanbase who stumbles upon his work.
>>2411825
you know you can't say that and not follow up with a green text
>>2411825
"was"?
What happened?
You just have to abandon your old usernames you idiot.
And to be honest, if I found out a popular artist was a racist, pedophilic, asshole troll fuck on forums as a 13 year old, I really wouldn't give a fuck in the slightest. And I'd probably extend that to like 18 or so. People change dude, and if you're not willing to change your internet handle, just don't worry about it. You'd have just as many people defending you as you'd have hating on you for anything you said, and just as many people who don't give a fuck.
>>2411665
>If anyone was so inclined, they could find my old gaia accounts, see my shitty 13 year old personal rants, my trolling. Find my old internet footprint and I'd be fucked. I've seen artists being accused of being pedophiles/abusers and it's fucking scary.
Use a completely new username, never cross activity or information between it and your previous accounts, learn some basic infosec.
>>2411665
>not having a backup style(s) you don't show in case you need to transition.
>>2411825
>was
Feeling that assbern yet, cuck?
>>2411826
I can guarantee you a lot of them hate him "ironically", talking shit about his work all the while fapping to it.
If you're not shit or avoid making a big deal out of it people don't really seem to care anymore. Look at all the japanese artists that make manga or work in character design but also release work in doujin circles. That chick who made Stephen Universe made porn of cartoon characters, one of the guys who worked for Rare/helped with Banjo-Kazooie almost entirely does furry porn online, the guy who worked for disney and made the character designs for Lilo & Stitch makes porn, the list can go on.
And seriously no one's going to care about shit like gaia posts unless they have some stupid vendetta against your 14 year old self. If you're this worried just change your username/email/passwords on old websites and never log into them again.
>>2412080
>unless they have some stupid vendetta against your 14 year old self.
You mean like how /ic/ holds a grudge against certain artists for YEARS?!?!
>>2412098
This
i cant believe /ic/ is still asspained at mikufag. I know the guy's good you dont have to drive him away
>>2412098
>/ic/
Most /ic/ shittposters hates Teal. And what? I still follow him, and watching all his streams. /ic/ haters exist only here
>>2412112
I didn't know he streamed
>>2411665
They'd find out I'm a Trump supporter, "racist" (by American standards anyway), and fuck trannies.
Funny story, I applied for an illustration gig on Craigslist. The guy replied that he check out my portfolio and Facebook and shit, and said I had "the right attitude". Turns out he is an old racist white dude from Texas, so in this case it worked out perfectly.
>>2412109
so you admit it, you people will ruin someone's reputation for no other reason than for being bothered
>>2412123
>you people will ruin someone's reputation
How?
>>2412158
trolling, spreading lies, and using violence. are you retarded or live under s rock?
>>2412176
Anon doesn't engage in tumblr drama, why anybody would is fucked up to think about
If one were to avoid cancerous fan bases that should mean that you'd avoid the Internet art gestapo, right?
>>2412176
Well, try to use violence/trolling agaist pixiv and portfolio site. Post some examples. Stephen Fry was baka. He should just turn off twitter notifications
Yeah I feel the same kinda thing. I just don't share any of my political views and pro-nazi pol videos on Facebook or anywhere because I know it's the jews who will pay me the most money to render beautiful portraits of their noses.
Some day I'll be in charge of a big movie or game though and you can bet your ass the villain will have ringlets and the hero will have blonde hair and a glorious jawline. Until then I have to keep it on the down low.
>>2412208
#charliejesuis
>>2412191
it never once occured to you that there are some people who lurk the self promotion threads to put two and two together so they can wait at taverns, dorms, cosplay gatherings, lan parties, conventions and put a knife through your hand, all cause you chased teal away.
we will find you.
>tfw people know I am an anti-PC alt-right nationalist
I've had the occasional callout post but nothing has ever come of it.
>>2412121
What a nice guy
>>2411947
>if I found out a popular artist was a racist, pedophilic, asshole troll fuck on forums as a 13 year old, I really wouldn't give a fuck in the slightest. And I'd probably extend that to like 18 or so.
This, I've said some nasty shit and acted like a dumbass online as a teenager, but no one's gonna give you shit for that. You really gonna make a character judgement on some shit I said as a highschool kid 5 years ago?
>>2411825
>was
Disgusting libtard
>>2411665
That's why you clear up everything befor you get popular. I'm honestly about to start my career soon so I've been working on deleting god-damned everything I can. Anything that stays up is from when I was 14 or younger and can blame on age which most people will forgive. It's the stuff from highschool and later I worry about.
>>2412080
Rebecca Sugar made porn? Of what characters? I think she was the one really pushing the Marceline/Bubblegum ship on Adventure Time before she started working on SU so I wouldn't be surprised if it was that cause I know some of her art for the show sometimes went a little borderline.
>>2412121
Why do you want to vote for Trump? Even objectively, he's absolutely retarded.
>>2411665
>not being completely invisible online
You have no one to blame but yourself.
>>2411665
Yes. See: Tom Preston.
Loli/shota really won't get you too much shit, plenty of those artist make money all the same. But acting like an ass very publicly will lose you any goodwill people may have had.
>>2413621
why should anyone worry about the artist's personality? who cares if he's an ass? if you like the work, why obsess over the guy?
>>2413854
Like it or not, people will be more reticent about funding an artist who's an asshole, especially if they're an asshole in a highly visible manner. You can argue that an artist's personality shouldn't matter, and maybe you're right, but the facts of the matter are that consumers don't give a fuck about those arguments and will totally take an artist's personality into account when deciding whether or not they want to fork over some cash. Which is why ol' Dobbles Patreon is amusingly low despite his being so well known. The lesson to be learned is to keep your dickery out of the public eye.
>>2414086
>mfw people like me more because I bully sjws
Maybe you're just low energy.
>>2414086
So it's really a popularity contest. If your opinions don't match what is fashionable your work will never see the light of day and will be ridiculed because of your irrelevant opinions.
Public dickery or not somebody other than the artist is juxtaposing the two unrelated things and making a spectacle out of it. Meaning that the art is really never judged on it's own merits and that those judging it don't have trustworthy opinions to listen to.
And all the talk about skill and technique is essentially bias and uniformed because there is no basis to apperciating any work; it's wholly dependent on how the artist is liked as a person.
I feel this problem truly represents today's mindset and the folly of a lot of artists on the internet.
How would anyone even know what you did in the past?
If you weren't stupid enough to tie personal information to controversial statements, and are using an entirely new persona than any before for your career, then how could they ever trace back to you?
Makes no sense.
>>2411825
was it that time you posted a whole lot about the syrian refugee crisis, on tumblr no less?
>>2411665
that entirely depends on what crowds you would be popular in of course. If you cater to SJW and furfags then probably. If you produce something unique that is broadly popular then the majority wouldn't care much about how odd you are as they are interested in the work and not the artist.
>>2413362
There was a thread on /co/ a few days ago about her old art, she had self insert ships with invader zim characters. Pic related is her "porn"
she used to be a drawfag if i remember correctly, and at the very least visited /co/ frequently
I also remember seeing somewhere that she was responsible for most of the sexual symbolism in AT, and Steven Universe is blatantly full of that shit.
Cartoon Network wanted to hire fucking bleedman to work on their Fusionfall game years ago, and that guy is literally famous for drawing straight up lolicon hentai rule 34 of the very characters they wanted him to redesign.
So, ultimately, I'd say that it depends on your field. If you're going to try to survive solely on patreon/donations/ad revenue from your work, your reputation as a person might hinder that if you're obviously a fucking dickhead, as >>2414086
said. But in a more professional environment where you are surrounded by fellow sick fuck adults, as long as you're not a prick you'll be fine.
>>2411825
>was
BLACKED
>>2411825
>was
PREP THE BULL
>>2411825
>was
Man, even President Camacho is a white nationalist, don't be a pussy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnwAFoQ8o1U
>>2414780
Who cares? I'm pretty sure a majority of Europeans don't want it to happen, and even higher depending on what country you poll. It's hardly divisive at this point.
People have gotten in trouble for saying "gypped" not knowing it was a racial slur. Tumblr will try to have your head on a pike for inhaling dust if you do it "racistly". The only reason it would ever get bad for you is if you back down and don't own your shit. People usually only get in trouble if they act like they have something to hide.
So who fucking cares? A majority of those butthurt SJWS won't even drop money on shit they like. They're of no use to me, and if they give me attention for being controversial, more eyes on me.
So just apologize and move on?
A plot of people just want an apology. Some people might be out for blood, but they don't have much of an argument if you've already said "sorry, I was with a bad circle of friends at the time."
If you still believe something, but you're afraid of people finding out, but you won't stand up for it, then maybe what you believe is fucking stupid.
>>2411665
To some extent, yes. Look at Animated James. His rep is permanently ruined and now no one will ever take him seriously outside making fart fetish art for bronies.
>>2411665
Most people don't really care much due to being aware of many examples of bad artist reputation (Tom Preston, Humon, Animated James etc.).
Like anything else it does take a spark to cause a shitstorm as like how a meme is formed, very unpredictable. It usually depends if you grew a backbone after realizing what you have done in the past. If you show any guilt, people will exploit that weakness.When you expose yourself in any career, passion etc, you have to expect to be shit on for something. That's how humans are.
>>2411825
zyklon ben, pls
>>2414712
>So it's really a popularity contest.
Yes and no. If you put yourself out there like that, making your personal life a part of your internet identity, you're not just selling your art - you're selling yourself. Which isn't exactly new, being personable and likable is arguably even more important in galleries. If you don't put your personal life on the net all you have to do is be nice in your interactions with other people. Not a hard thing to do.
>irrelevant opinions.
Like I said, it comes down more to how you act than your content or opinions. You can find people in any crowd who'll like whatever weird content you're selling or a group of whatever opinionated dickheads to sell to - that what a niche market is. As long as people believe you're not an asshole, you can find a market among like minded people, but if even those people don't want to be associated with you because you have your head up your ass, well...
>Meaning that the art is really never judged on it's own merits
Welcome to the real world.
>And all the talk about skill and technique is essentially bias and uniformed because there is no basis to apperciating any work; it's wholly dependent on how the artist is liked as a person.
It's not wholly dependent on the artist as a person, and I don't know where you're getting this from - I suspect it's hyperbole. Skill has always been important, and while people will buy things over a certain skill threshold, other people have higher standards and stronger art can appeal to different crowds. Just like certain styles of art will appeal to certain groups, and just as important in all this is content. But people will never give you money just because they like you - you have to be marketing something. Well, unless you're a con man.
>>2414836
To expand on this, John K, well known creator of Ren and Stimpy, is pretty much completely shut out of the animation industry because he's so hard to work with.
