So, I need advice. In the beginning December I was commissioned for an adult piece. I asked the client to pay the $120 up front in full and he did. Since then I'm honestly been pretty sick and haven't gotten a chance to sketch anything for him. This morning he sent me an e-mail saying if the image wasn't done 100% by Thursday he was going to report me to PayPal.
Should I be worried? I mean, since it's adult art something that is illegal on PayPal he can't even report me can he?
How about you do what you were paid to do anon
>>2397947
THIS
>>2397932
How about you act like a responsible adult running a business and communicate with your fucking client?
I don't even believe this is real so fuck you, 4/10, made me reply
>>2397932
I hope you get your shit fucked.
Just do what you were asked for.
1. Do your work
2. Even if it's adult art PayPal will still close your account. They frown about adult art but they allow it.
>I've been sick since the beginning of December
>It's mid february
lol, I wish I knew your paypal so I could report you on his behalf
>>2397960
Then give him the money back
>>2397960
>there is no way I can have it done by Thursday.
The solution is simple, then. Return the client's money immediately. You have failed. I wish you a speedy recovery, OP, but you have no business working for commissions at this time if you can't get them done in three weeks, let alone 3 months.
>B-b-but I've been sick!
B-b-bullshit. If you get paid for a job, you do it in the time allotted. If you have the flu, you can still paint. You'd have to be hospitilization-tier sick to not be able to do this, in which case you return the money, explain the extenuating circumstances and invite him to commission you again when you're available.
I bet you accepted the money even though you know the work expected was above your level, and are to nervous to even start it now.
>>2397960
return the money then
Lmao you sound 100% like this dude i knew. Fucking pussy piece of shit, always owed people money, never did anything. Always some excuse. Bottom line was he was just too fucking lazy and preferred sneaking around and getting by, Piece of shit human scum
>>2397932
Too fat
Bait
>>2397932
pathetic.
>>2397967
>>2397973
I'd rather not send the money as I've already spent it, I'm going to try to do most of the art and see if they accept it. My body has just been in pain recently so it's hard to draw hours a day, it's not an excuse it's very real. I don't want my account closed over this. Also I don't think he can report me anyway because it's adult art and PayPal would freeze his account for paying for it.
I'll do his art when I can, but I just feel he's threatening me to piss me off.
>>2398012
>I'd rather not send the money as I've already spent it
>I'll do his art when I can, but I just feel he's threatening me to piss me off.
No, he threatened you because you ripped him off and spent $120 of his money you fucking retard. Stop blabbering excuses and either fulfill your commission or refund him. He paid up front because he trusted you to hold up your end, then you pull this "but it huuurts but I'm siiiick" bullshit having already spent the money he gave you.
Refund him out of your pocket if you were stupid enough to spend the money before you actually did the work.
>>2398012
>because it's adult art and PayPal would freeze his account for paying for it.
Why would they? Paypal has no rule against the purchase of porn.
kill yourself
>>2398049
Yes they do. You can't purchase porn on PayPal. That's why most artists tell you NOT to write anything in the notes.
PayPal forbids purchases of porn and will freeze any account linked to it.
what a fucking retard
here's your reply btw
Do the fucking work you cripple and/or lazy scum
>>2398012
Wow, dude, you are honestly an asshole. This guy PAID you ONE HUNDRED AND TWENTY DOLLARS, months ago. What the hell would you do in his situation? He gave you money that he worked hard for! Did you even keep him in contact during the time when you were sick??? Honestly, even if you had only sketched like half an hour a day when you first GOT the money, you'd be done by now. You're a lazy piece of shit, plain and simple. You accepted money without being 100% sure you could do what was asked of you. I am genuinely angry at you, anon. It's people like you that take advantage of clients and cause problems for the rest of us when we ask for money up front. Fuck you. You're an asshole, and you're gonna get your account closed, rightfully so.
>>2398012
>take customer's money
>give customer nothing in return
>"you can't report me because you paid for a porn! ha ha!"
either you're a master scam artist or a fucking retard
I don't know if you're just totally lacking in self-awareness or what, but you're in the wrong. You shouldn't have spent the money before you'd even given him the piece. Make a visit to the pawn shop or get a loan from somewhere if you have to, just give the poor guy his money back. Don't be a fucking prick and try to put it off longer and keep the money. You fucked up, it's over, give the cash back. Don't fucking give him some piece of shit sketch on Thursday either, that would be insulting as hell to make him wait all that time and throw him some rush job for all that money.
Don't take people's money if you're going to be unprofessional and irresponsible. Congratulations on making an ass of yourself.
I thought you could report to PayPal even for adult art?
he could just report you and not mention that it was adult content and just a standard commission.
why even bring the adult aspect of it up, not like you'd have to. lol
>>2397932
Just kill yourself. You have failed as a responsible competent artist.
>>2398175
Listen to this gentleman/lady, OP. You are retarded.
>>2398175
OP sounds like a typical Comic Con commission artist. i don't know why but it's like every other artist there keeps doing that stupid shit.
>>2397932
You're such an irresponsible cunt. Steal fucking money from your mum, put in on paypal and send the 120$ back. Hope that dude will ruin your reputation publicly.
>>2397932
>Take money
>Don't do work
I'm sorry dude but in reality everyone wants everything as soon as they pay for it. This is true for every industry no matter what it is; art is included in this.
I would work through pain to get done.
I would never allow myself to be in your position.
Top kek
You say your sick, you're telling me you're so sick that you can't draw for 2 months?
>I'd rather not send the money as I've already spent it, I'm going to try to do most of the art and see if they accept it.
>I'll do his art when I can, but I just feel he's threatening me to piss me off.
Doesn't sound like you're here for advice. It sounds like you've made your mind up and are looking for condolence.
The fact that you only seem to care about your PayPal and not stealing $120 from someone is fucked up. Spending the money before you've done the work is just dumb; get it back however you can and refund him.
Oh, and you're making legit artist look bad too.
>>2397932
Refund him. Ideally, with interest.
He commissioned your services and paid you in advance. He waited 3 months. He got nothing. You failed to fulfill your obligations. The "why" doesn't matter.
Spending his money is your own fault. Asking for payment up front isn't so you can have fun or get an advance, it's so that you don't get fucked up the ass. This is only acceptable because, on average, an artist is far more likely to get fucked than a commissioner, because a commissioner has no reputation to worry about, and an artist produces work on a regular basis.
Money accepted for future services is not actually your money yet. Don't make the same mistake again. Don't spend the money until after you've done the work and concluded your business with your client.
You're not just getting shit because you're in the wrong, you're also getting shit because every artist who doesn't pay up makes it harder for the rest of us to find clients.
OP, please post examples of your art, I'm curious to see what $120 would get from you.
>>2397932
OP, did you even bother to contact your client and tell them what's been going on with you, at all? Or did you keep it quiet on your end?
Most people are understanding if you communicate with them and let them know what's up. That being said, you should give the client a refund. What you did wasn't cool. What makes this worse is that you knew that you have been sick since December and it didn't dawn on you to contact your client THEN or even ponder giving your client refund at that time since you knew that you were not in a situation where you could complete their commission at the moment.
It feels as if you are trying to get sympathy for your situation, but you don't deserve it, your client does. Your client is doing the right thing.
Also, next time only ask for half up front next time. At least you would only be giving $60 back.
>>2397932
you fucked up op in the worst way,
Your the worst kind of artist.
>>2397932
you're going to make it.
>>2397932
you're going to make it.
>>2398465
>I'm curious to see what $120 would get from you.
>>2398778
topkek and spoton
>>2397932
just fucking draw the shit. fuck.
Suicide is an option my dude.
I hope you end up here OP
http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/
UPDATE: I talked to the client and refunded his money. I told him due to illness I wouldn't be able to finish by this week.
>>2399927
good on you I op
who do you owe now?
>>2399927
You did the right thing.
>>2399927
Good choice, get well soon bud. You're gonna make it.
>>2399541
>http://artists-beware.livejournal.com/
>Furry shit
What the fuck is this shit
Christ man, I've been a month or more late on commissions in the past but every single time that's happened I've made sure to maintain regular communication with the commissioner to leave them informed of what my problems are that's delaying the piece. And of course refunds are understandable if you need the money back or lose interest in the commission.
Also helps I don't ask for money up front unless I know it will get done within a week, too, of course. You're just a fucker, if you can't draw for hours a day put in a single hour or half an hour a day on it and let him know, hell stream it for him so he can see your (slow) progress.
>>2400200
>maintain regular communication with the commissioner to leave them informed of what my problems are that's delaying the piece
This is super important. As long as they feel like you are not trying to weasel your way out of it and actually reply to emails in a timely manner, people are VERY lenient and patient. Doing this right now because writing a friendly email to buy myself another week is just much easier than actually doing the work haha.
>>2398012
>in so much pain that cant draw
>take commission anyways and spend money
cmon anon youre better than that
also you should be worried cause paypal is run by gooks who dont give a fuck about you and will close your account over adult art
>>2400206
what's the alternative? bc this happening would ruin my life
even if you only drew for 10 minutes a day for 2 months you would have finished his art by now
>>2397932
$120? You should quit art. Go work to mcdonald's lol
>>2397960
>>shoulder instability
>>back has been really bad
- Neither of these just instantly happen, you should've noticed this, and you shouldn't have taken commissions
- Get a shoulder brace. Fuck, MAKE ONE if you have to. No excuse.
- Cram some shit around your chair for back support. No excuse.
Fucking get to work, or refund the money.
No excuses, pussy faggot.
>>2400582
>$120? You should quit art. Go work to mcdonald's lol
That's not so bad for porn. I make about that per day.
>>2400542
This is a very good point.
What has OP been doing all this time?
>>2400592
>>about that per day
OP has had this commission for two months now though. Just a small bit of difference.
>>2398778
fucking lol
>>2400589
this,
since I have a sedentary life I pay attention to my body all the time, and when I start noticing pains here and there, I think at what I did in the last time as well as start some exercises for the region
A good policy would be to get the money up front and not spend it until the piece is complete, that way you can give people a quick refund when a project is too demanding for you.
Paypal doesn't give a shit if he's paying for porn. They do care if you're taking money for porn though, and they definitely care if you're not completing your agreements. Give him back his money, and if you can't you should be worried for your account getting fucked..
>>2398012
You're a cunt.
>>2399943
he turned tricks to get that 120.
>>2397932
>something that's illegal on paypal
This is why we need bernie.
>>2399994
Furries throw money at artwork like it's confetti, so a lot of them get scammed so a whole livejournal was made to warn commissioners and artists alike about possible scammers. It's actually funny as fuck to read some of the drama sometimes. Popular dramacow Zeriara was posted about a lot.
Back as a fledgling artist I got the ideas to take commissions from furries because they don't really care too much about the quality of the artist as long as the quality of the piece matches that artists usual quality (Y'know, standard, except people with garbage art skills like young me could get in on the game easily).
So I built up a small following, took on a few, got overwhelmed, and ended up stealing about $20 worth of commission money because I put it off so long I forgot about it. I didn't use furaffinity often so it was a few months before someone on deviantart brought it to my attention that i'd been posted about on that site.
Had a serious "Oh shit" moment, immediately drew everything that I had forgotten about as well as a couple extra pieces per person, and contacted them all feeling like shit. I offered refunds with the pieces but they were all pretty pleased I went above to make it right and understood that I'm kind of retarded.
In short: Customer service skills matter in the art world too. I was a fuckwad for not having good communication with those people. I think everyone runs into at least one dilema in their lifetime regarding commissioned work, but the important thing is if you make it right or not.
I now won't take payment up front for small priced items like that because it becomes too easy to write it off. I'll take up front for larger priced but only if I know i can produce it in a timely manner.
You shouldn't take commissions if you can't put it out. Remember that price you set should be calculated by how long it takes you to make it plus skill. If you're taking three months, it's not worth $120 not unless it's photo realism.
OP is Idlecil, no doubt about it.
So, question.
1.Why the hell can't I make a thread but I can post in one?
2. How long should a client wait for art? What do you consider the worst case for working on a piece? Is waiting a year for a comission normal? A month? A week?
How people like OP haven't been reported to PayPal yet is beyond me. Why the fuck don't people report them?
>>2398070
Actually there's no outright clause that states you can't purchase or sell porn through Paypal. If you talk to a rep of Paypal they'll tell you there's no rules for or against it at all. The issue comes up with works that are exploitative, like CP or Beastiality, and Furry art is one step away from beastiality which is why so many porn artists can get in trouble with it and why they avoid disclosing the nature of the purchases to Paypal at all.
>>2402115
>The issue comes up with works that are exploitative, like CP or Beastiality, and Furry art is one step away from beastiality which is why so many porn artists can get in trouble with it and why they avoid disclosing the nature of the purchases to Paypal at all.
ah, interesting
>>2402115
Really? Damn, I thought it was all porn. So whats stops clients from reporting them getting taken for a ride by bad artists?
>>2402162
Ignorance I pressume
>>2397932
Do you do you're work anonymously?
been figuring out how to do that.
>>2402074
In a way even Idlecil is nowhere near this bad, as even he maintained some contact with customers instead of just vanishing until he got threatened.
>>2402115
I'm not gonna believe that until given proof, and I'm not about to use my own account to ask a rep.
>>2402363
Yeah and considering that I've been already permabanned off Paypal for adult content I wouldn't recommend anyone test em.
>>2402285
Honestly. Most artists and artist circles like to scare their clients into thinking you can't report them. That way they can take an extra month or so without getting PayPal locked.
>>2402285
Honestly. Most artists and artist circles like to scare their clients into thinking you can't report them. That way they can take an extra month or so without getting PayPal locked.
>>2402357
And? For him there is no fucking excuse for taking a whole year on commissions while on top of that taking even more money from new clients and just burying himself now and screwing over old clients. Idlecil is an awful human being.
>>2398012
Refund him or do the work.
>I feel like he's threatening me to piss me off
If i paid an artist $120 for a commission and didn't hear anything for 3 months but excuses i would do the same, his reaction is perfectly reasonable. Stop being a sensitive cunt and do the right thing.
>>2402094
Dunno why you can't make a thread. You rememberin a picture and title?
As for how long, it depends on a lot of factors such as the complexity of the piece, artist's tournaround time, etc. If you can pump out a full color, background included picture in a day, it should take you two days tops. (Obviously never tell anyone how fast you can actually have it out unless it means you snag a really big job by doing so...but make sure your turnaround is accurate).
In general for pieces with no background, a week tops. Two characters, add a half of a week. Background, two to three weeks. Add more for more complexity (Hard poses, special effects, etc).
Never undersell on hard projects or you won't be motivated enough to finish it.
Is Paypal A good service to sell your art on?
Why or Why not?
What are the alternatives?
>>2398012
>I'd rather not send the money as I've already spent it
>>2398012
You know I've commissioned artists who pulled this kinda crap and when I got the pictures they were awful.
I'm waiting on stuff and you just don't deliver. It's bad dude.
>>2397960
If this is your excuse then you need to go get a cashier job or something. If you're not physically capable of doing the job then don't accept the job you cunt.
>>2397932
sounds like you're ripping him off. I'll charge you half for the work if you can't do it.
>>2403309
it's good as far as being able to share your financial info with a company. it's great for sending and receiving money. I've been with them since 2006 and have had 0 problems. If you're looking for a legitimate venue for small business, PayPal is a no-brainer
>>2397932
You're never gonna make it anywhere with art. Nothing else to say.
>>2397932
How old are you?
Did the pain disappear when you reginded the money?
>>2397932
I don't think PayPal allow that you use their service for porn even if it is drawn. It's in their terms of service and it's why porn sites don't use it. They will ban your account if they catch you do it and confiscate any money you have on the account.
