Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises.
Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up( or do what am i your mom?).
AVOID asking unrelated questions, There is a question thread for that.
Visit the usual "Art book Thread" to find your desired books.
Do not forget to PLEASE RESIZE and crop your images before uploading them. 1kpx is fine.
→ → → → Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," Read the f*cking sticky, it's there for a reason: >>1579290 → → → → → → → →
>Thread study: Try to draw/paint the opening or any other following images.
Feel free to post your original works as well if you're trash.
TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - many studies are left unreplied, which is a bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless. (hint: post something against the rules if you want to be banned)
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>>2395905
>>2395907
>>2395909
>>2395910
I fixed a a couple of little things in this iteration if you want to discard your old one.
>>2395911
studying loomis. Any tips?
>>2395877
What can I replace the flowers and vase with in project 2f of keys to drawing?
>>2395955
A bottle maybe? Or a bunch of those.
Wip. Its 4am where I live and I'll poat the completed one when I wake up amd finish it
>>2395964
I don't think a bottle has enough detail in to practice the control hand part. Maybe just some cloth?
>>2395929
Remember that the facial features follow the same lines in perspective.
The eyes, nose and mouth all are leveled the same, always.
>>2395968
Learn to resize your images please.
>>2395907
This is seriously a 10/10 face.
Why would you want a waifu when you could be with a girl like this?
Oh wait, I remember now. I can't!
Waifu it is. :)
will use for ref tho thanks nose senpai
>>2395583
>i raise you a beach grass but youre right grass doesnt grow that close to beach at all.
your really need perspective anon..
>>2395591
>What are you trying to do with those lines?
perspective lines
>>2395980
Cloth is harder, there are even books focused on drapery. But yeah, probably some cloth would do the trick. Maybe other anons will have better advice, I'm a beginner myself. Mostly frustrated.
>>2396158
pretty good!
>>2395991
>don't let your dreams be dreams !!
step 1: find an ugly girl to marry you
step 2: plastic surgery(Miracles Do Exist!anon)
step 3: happy ever after
your welcome
>>2396181
i just realized i forgot to flip it back. ayy
Thoughts on this? I've been drawing for a couple of months now.
>>2396158
Wow! Love it.
>>2396289
good enough for reg thread
>>2396294
Nosebro, would you quit fucking promoting and demoting people from threads like some sort of arbiter and just let them do it at their pace? You're hardly qualified to say shit anyway.
I'm pretty sure I've seen you 'promote' a guy then tell him to fuck off back to the beginner thread when he actually went to the drawthread.
>>2395905
Thoughts?
some studies, and a drawing from imagination to gauge where i'm at. king kamali is ridiculously jacked. just had to draw this qt too>>2395907
>>2396332
this.
>>2396289
nice. maybe try using more confident, smoother lines? still a bit of scratchiness, especially on legs.
I'm trying to draw aztec/Maya pyramids in two point perspective but I have no idea how to place the cube on the top of the pyramid, or get a proper pyramid shape in general...
Anything I could change when doing this? How'd you go about it?
>>2396356
The fuck is this?
You need some reality check my friend
>>2396364
It's a bonsai still life I did
My first attempt at anatomy, I still feel that my shapes need more definition, any tips?
>>2396364
I like it, my suggestion is draw the lines slower and try to follow the flow in the shapes you see.
>>2396181
>>2396376
thumbnail looks better, you need cleaner edges and smoother blending
>>2396332
This tbqhfam. It's nice that you're trying to help the community but quit being such an ass, especially when your work isnt all that great either.
>>2396384
Yeah I tend to go fast, very fast, and miss the true shape of an object. Even when I force myself to slow down consciously and try to feel the form I miss it. Maybe I should flip objects upside down to truly see them.
Thanks for the input anon.
>first time on /ic/
>just started drawing completely
>every single person in the beginner thread is a thousand times better than me
JUST
>>2396507
well, what did you expect?
>>2396507
im trying to make them leave so you can feel better though :)
>>2396390
eventually, i will be at a level where people accept what im doing. and ill use that power to retroactively say everything i said in the past was correct.
>>2396386
i knew you would deliver.
>>2396524
I guess I was expecting beginner to not encompass skill up to this high of a level
>>2396386
add more detailed
>>2396544
Nose Bro ¢π
IMAGINE LIFE THROUGHT ANON'S EYES ONLY THEN WE WILL UNDERSTAND
>>2396578
you're fine dude. stop worrying about other people and focus on learning.
So my """"style"""" is drifting more and more towards pic related.
If i do decide to stick with it, is there anything I should be aware of?
>>2395905
I have trouble with animals. I know I need to get their basic shapes first but I don't know exactly how to do it. I don't have an artist's eye.
/ic/ pls help.
>>2396589
are you drifting towards that style to hide the fact you don't know how to draw? if yes, worry
>>2396589
That no one will take you seriously or give a shit about your """"""art"""""""
>>2396605
How so?
>>2396598
yes, well help you once you post something.
>>2396611
if you find yourself unable to draw anything outside of your style's limitations, then it is a crutch and you are stagnating
when painting digitally, how would i go about selecting a canvas size and aspect ratio? i usually just start excessively big and then crop till it fits but it usually messes up the composition.
also are there any sort of practice drills/exercises analogous to figure and gesture drawing when it comes to foreshortening/drawing in perspective? i want to start learning perspective so i can finally start the scenes in my head but i every time i buckle down to practice i have no idea where to start.
>>2396629
your first problem can be solved by using thumbnails to plan your compositions before hand. the actual canvas size doesn't really matter unless you're sending it out to print or have some other purpose where size and dpi matters.
I have a hard time measuring with my eye
next try. fixed some shadows at the fingers. the guy has to stay this way, because it has a meaning, so don't complain about the mannequin/puppet.
I haven't used any reference, because there isn't one for this one girl. I tried to draw her from the bottom of my heart...
pls be nice about it....
I have the cow a shot, thoughts?
>>2396748
\keep at it!
>>2396753
I always forget to resize so sorry
>>2396784
kk imma go to sleep now
>>2396931
really think hed forget the legs if he was tracing?
>>2396975
Common way to throw off people from realizing you're tracing. Look at the way that the knock and back line up, exactly the same.
>>2396931
It's obviously not traced.
you can see how the spacing between the top of the head and eyes are different.
Is artist arm insurance a thing?
Someone suggested I should get it.
My wrist still hurts ):
i colored it
>>2397066
it does exist, but if youre not a professional, you arent getting it. Not that it would matter anyway, just switch your arm or find another way of drawing ( feet, px by px, etc.)
>>2397073
I'm also a programmer, losing my wrist could ruin my business I guess.
I've been tempted to see how drawing with my left hand works out just so I can grind more.
okay so i think i got the foreshortening right on this. can anyone confirm? so im clear, she's sitting, hips are flush with the ground, her right leg (the top one) is out straight ahead but with a bend, and left leg is (the bottom one) is lying to the side with a sharper bend. with proper values to show the foreshortening, this outline is right?
>>2397211
No, friend, you got exactly nothing right. You need Vilppu desperately.
>>2397222
>No, friend, you got exactly nothing right
srsly? no one said anything in the last thread. how bad? whats the worst thing? etc? and none that 'no construction' bs. im worried about the outline as is
and yes vilppu is something i need to check out.
>>2397243
>>2397237
study this
>>2397067
Good job on torso, face is symbol drawing and the legs/pelvis are fucked. I can see what you were trying to do with the balance/pelvis tilt thing but you seem to just go off the idea that there is a standing leg and don't actually understand (c wat i did there) the mechanics.
Also stick to greys for now since you got a pretty good grasp on shadow but are not ready for color yet, at least if you wanna do values and tone seperately as you do now
>>2397246
whoa great, thx mate
>>2397235
Besides anatomy foot/leg are just outright too small compared to the other
>>2397235
See, you're whining about people telling you to do construction and that you want to get the outline right and the truth (as you will learn through Vilppu) is that outlines are simply there to contain the forms of a figure.
Ergo the outline will never be right unless you (a) learn to measure and anally observe (b) trace or (c) learn the construction
If you wanna be a little bitch and go through (a) just grind Bert Dodson or even Betty Memewards. If you wanna learn have to draw properly, you'll need (c) which is what everyone is telling you to do and you're too much of a fucking lazy slob to do. So whatever the ball's in your court now, what's it gonna be?
>>2397251
Well, i didn't draw the face. I want to focus on the figure and the pose but yeah the pelvis is a mess.
>>2397257
i was bitching about construction because i posted almost the same outline earlier and no one said shit about the rest of it so i assumed it was good.
>>2397256
noted and hopefully fixed
>>2397243
>>2397244
just watched
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqxMMEUvtJc [Embed]
and added my construction changed a few things. im not going to proceed until if i find out if its passing or not. if so ill try to figure the leg out myself. if not im scrapping it and studying vilppu for a few weeks
>>2397365
>earlier and no one said shit
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
>just watched
good
> try to figure the leg out myself.
DO IT!!
>>2397371
sorry! im stupid. this figure stuff is scary. what i meant is you didnt say the rest was completely wrong like the other guy did. remember you changed the pose?
but just so we're clear. this is proper construction?
sorry im being a tedious little fuckhead
>>2397377
>proper construction?
no ...practice some more loomis
>>2397377
and how the human body is constructed
>>2395909
haha his penis is visible :p
>>2396682
p r o p o r t i o n s
l e a r n h o w t o c o n s t r u c t a h e a d
l e a r n h o w t o t i l t t h e h e a d i n p e r s p e c t i v e
>>2397397
> downloading vilppus drawing manual now
perfect
>>2397404
but rly tho. this construction stuff seems somewhat subjective. wtf exactly is 'wrong' with what i just posted here >>2397367
i mean
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1nxf5KQ2Js
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WJxFgAzWR4
dont use boxes or spheres at all and end up with outlines. what even gives? but ill be fair the vilppu way does seem to be fool-proof
also dld the loomis figure for whats its worth and turns out i had hogarth dynamic figure drawing all along.
>>2397412
They have advanced knowledge of the forms of the body.
They don't need to draw the spheres and the boxes because drawing a box and a sphere is a tool and not a golden method. Once you have enough expertise on constructing the human body you'll know its outline from any perspective, but until then you'll have to learn the form and draw your boxes.
>>2396362
Alright thx for help guys <3 <3 <3
>>2397417
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
just practice M8!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>2397432
ugh fine. but making the boxes in perspective seems like a neat trick tho
>>2396507
Is there something wrong with my anatomy? I can't quite put my finger on it, but the something seems off.
Also, face studies
>>2397528
The guy is too short, check your proportions. I like the look, though.
draw more about 50 times more and come back at your sketch and you might see what your issue is.
the Form and perspective also the strokes are not confident enough
Am i doing this right
>pls dont bully
How do you give very straight hair dynamism? More lively, curved hair can be very dynamic as ribbons but I'm not sure how to give chunks that same life. How would you approach something like, say, a hime cut, or anything with bangs for that matter?
>>2397554
At least you show us (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
how do i fix the face
>>2397554
add wind or object where the hair can wrap or bend
pic related: hair sways to her left, hair mass bends at forearms
>>2397521
That's actually adorable
>>2397576
Loomis!
>>2397757
Loomis Loomis? Vilppu!
i colored it
>>2397806
Ear should be at the end of chin line.
Is tracing people a good way to get better at anatomy?
I don't usually trace, but I'm doing it digitally to learn how to draw specific things, but was wondering if that would be a good way to understand drawing bodies.
sorry for posting twice I saw this thread after i posted in the other thread
>>2397874
I don't know but you will learn alot more if you don't trace because you have to force yourself look out for shapes, forms and proportions. To know how to see is just as important as to know how to draw.
>>2397874
You may end up learning some shapes here and there, but unless you really think hard when you're drawing you will never understand the underlying structure on people.
You're much better off trying to look at a person and try their skeleton if you're going to draw on top of them.
>>2397874
Doing it to get a feel for the forms does help. Just don't leave any traced lines in your work, it looks jarring.
my cat.
JUST
>>2395907
I wish I was a cute girl like her.
>>2398361
its not happening, suck it and draw.
>>2398330
you reference this or draw it from immigration?
>>2398419
>Immigration
>>2398419
I'm a proud citizen, thank you very much. Reference.
>>2398361
>I wish I was a cute girl like her.
transgender operation
DO IT!!!
don't let your dreams be dreams!!
>>2398425
>>2398421
>>2398419
i LOL
>>2398419
>immigration
kek
I did my best to copy this.
>>2398625
This is what I have done so far.
>>2398629
You need to work on your basic line control. Draw lots of cirle and ellipse in one stroke to get a feeling for curves.
>>2398648
Could you elaborate on that? Should I practice making the lines meet? Or should I just draw circular shapes? Should I do my best to draw exact circles?
Is it just that I can't draw lines as they are supposed to be? Is drawing circles really the way to practice that? I feel like I've spent hours trying to draw circles well.
>>2398657
You're using too many short overlapping strokes where one well placed line would be sufficient.
You don't have to draw perfect circle. Draw some circlular shapes but do it fast and fluently. Also try to control your line. Draw a symmetrical vase with only 3 lines or something like that. Put some time into it and it will help you in the long run, when it comes to setting highlights on hair or drawing womens body.
>>2397845
you mean jawline?
I fixed it.
>>2398761
My fault. I mean her ear should be higher up. Old jaw line was ok.
>>2395905
>having hips this high relative to the rest of your body
its like they want to be corralled into ranches and eaten
>>2398800
ahh thank you.
Also critique my line art. I am still not unsure about where the thick and thin lines should be..
>>2398813
*not sure
>>2398722
Front.... pecs or whatever that's called on a cow, should be sticking out more forward I think, and your shape is a bit off.
So I'm not a complete beginner... but I would say my skill level is such that i def belong here. looking to Git Gud. Starting with Dodson, because I have a copy readily available.
So first exercise, line drawing of my shoes.
Fuck my shit up... where should I be focusing, should I do tons of these, or would something else be more productive?
>>2398891
your not even following your perspective
>>2398914
I'm sitting down on a bed, feet are crossed in front of me... (not to imply my perspective is correct)
>>2398925
you pic related
>>2398957
no way m8, I definitely see a lot of problems... I'm just confused about the perspective. Where am I off specifically. I see your arrows but I don't grok it.
My feet were crossed. The foot of the right is turned sideways and sitting on top of the one on the left.
>>2398965
>you see I was right
honestly no... I just assume you are. Regardless I'll keep working on it. Thanks m8.
some errors I see:
1) Quality of line sucks
2) The space between some top lace-hole and the one below it is too big
3) Stuff near the ankle is too bunched together.
>>2398966
>some errors I see:
see i use reverse psychology to make you to understand what you are drawing right now
>>2398974
LOL
>>2398973
Oh, I know that I'm drawing for the trash can at this point... You should have seen the shit I crapped out a couple years back.
>>2398981
>I know that I'm drawing
now draw... you will improve in no time
>>2396214
What happens when they have kids tho?
>>2398990
They're on their own I assume.
>>2398990
beautiful creatures of the world
> pic related
>>2398034
use 2 perspective line when drawing a cylinder ...
>>2399037
>>2398973
theirs a girl here
... or is it a trap ??
box girl?
>>2398974
their a girl here or is it a trap ???
box girl??
>>2397073
>>2398365
>>2398974
there's a girl here... or is it a trap ??
box girl ??
I don't like illustrations of keys to drawing, are there any other beginner-friendly books that teach from the ground-up? Or video lectures. Can even list pirated, I don't mind.
I'm not an ultimate beinner, but I wasn't bothering with fundamentals for a long time, and just last year started thinking about them - and getting mind blown in the process.
what about my last shit?
This is my first drawing on this boars I can't draw human body with my imagination (so i can't draw character too) all that i can do is drawing like this everytime.
>>2399453
keep drawing from reference then. You need to build up your mental image of anatomy, and you're not there yet.
>>2399137
im a guy but i appreciate the sentiment.
How do I get better at drawing people if I'm not that good at reading material?
I'm more a hands on person and I'd like to know things like "draw X and Y 20 times a day everyday". I'm seriously neglecting studies and I want it to stop
>>2399554
this fucking cat!
Hows that gesture?
>>2399745
pretty good, do more of those
>>2399745
I don't like how the head has a different line quality. Also, you drawed a different pose than the ref so you didn't capture the gesture IMO. But the flow and economy of your lines are decent so keep going.
>>2395905
poop
>>2399745
it looks like shit, frot leg is bent the other way, no hip line, no downward head tilt, etc
Are Dave Finch's Gnomon videos any good?
>>2400320
>Dave Finch's Gnomon
for me yes but depends on your art style m8
.. and try drawing from from Immigration¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've finally reached level when my drawings turn me on
>>2400577
youre turned on by a poorly drawn face?
>>2400584
hmm yes, thanks now her torso don't look flat.
>>2400624
you haven't been using colour recently, what gives anon?
>>2400633
i'm painting with real paint, so i use color there , for some reason i don't fell like using it here
>>2395905
i give up ...
ill stop helping every one
>>2400755
>you reference this or draw it from immigration
still makes me laugh
how do I not repeat Firez's fate and step up from ugly fish monsters?
>>2400770
this is the ref if anyone wants it
Are there any substitutes at all for life drawing if do to confinement I have no subject matter to work with?
>>2400783
did you try immigration m8?
>>2400787
I'm too shit to do things from imagination yet and actually feel like I'm learning anything from it
>>2400789
>did you try immigration m8?
anon fell for the immigration comment
kek
>>2400800
Muslims can't help me now dude
>>2400787
>>2400783
>>2400789
>>2400810
>>2400800
>>2400810
They don't into drawing people anyway.
>>2400821
yeah they might get beheaded for this, praise be Allmighty
>>2400770
Don't worry anon, you will not
Here is a thing I tried drawing.
Looking for Tutorials/exercises to get into construction, I sure as hell could use that.
>>2400915
Study Loomis, Vilppu, Watts, and Hampton.
>>2400915
Perspective is the basis of all form. Pick up some basic perspective stuff, Loomis' FWAP and/or Blair's Cartoon Animation to teach yourself construction. If you just want to smash your face into the figure ASAP, try Loomis' Figure Drawing and Hampton.
>>2400895
he still has that dumbass expression every single one of his drawings has, what does it mean
>>2400895
Is it just me or are the eyes STILL staring off into space?
>>2398891
Back for more.
Still doing contour drawings from Dodson book... This time hands pointing towards face...
>>2401030
Are you a chimpanzee?
>>2401035
fair enough, yeah palm is too long, got it.
>>2401030
>>2401079
it's an observational drawing exercise from the start of Keys to Drawing. Dude probably can't even into basic form and construction.
>>2400755
ive saved every single one of these, they are great. especially like the guy who wanted to be the cute girl and immigration
>>2399745
Not this guy, but I also tried with this image
Am I doing this right?
>>2401071
I just hope it becomes less confusing over time.
Lesson 1 is pretty dense already.
A plant study I've been doing for drawabox.com
I feel the fact that I did cross hatching means I didn't know enough about the texture, as the only real details I could see were shadows. As such, I should probably work in a larger resolution, as the reference image I was using was 400*550.
>>2401156
I think the right shoulder should be lower than the left one, and the legs a bit longer. The proportions are a little off, but, I know, it is a gesture training.
>>2395907
>tfw will never get laid doing porttraits
>>2401178
they're mad af lol, be happy, you're popular and good enough for them to despise you and be jealous.
![IMG_0103[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WQU3PAF.jpg "IMG_0103[1].jpg")
Truck.
>yfw you realise animators doing chicken scratch deliberately
I want to paint to paint some rocks since they never broke my heart. Any tips or pointers on getting better at painting rocks?
Trying to put the values in but not sure how I'm doing really. Any critique/comments/things to fix before I try to push it further?
>>2401502
draw from life
>>2401186
I'm starting to think that this may be the case.
>>2401502
Make your lights lighter and darks darker. You should exaggerate not limit lighting, if you look at top left and the photo reference you can clearly see that the dark parts in the photo are significantly darker and the light is significantly lighter. Look at the shadow in the middle of the rock. As well as it being darker in the reference, it also has a crisp sharp edge. Your shadow is messy around the edges which is true for a lot of your edges. Rocks are hard and angular, so you want to emphasise that, not limit it. If you make sure your edges hard sharp your rock will look "rockier". I'd say you need to focus on making the outlines and the main lines that define the rock in 3d space clear as your first priority. (just look at your construction in the bottom left - it looks like a stack of books or garbage- rocks don't sag! Use straighter and longer lines in your construction, and focus on 3D shape not detail)
What is better to learn how to think in 3D?
Drawing simple objects over and over again or breaking down more complex objects?
Got a tablet as a gift and decided to get serious about art. /v/ sent me here. I drew a dog poorly.
Skimmed some Loomis but it seems I already know/do most of the stuff he writes about. Any idea where I should go from here?
I recently bought a medium wacom tablet and this is the first thing I've done with it. Haven't really drawn since Dec.
This is from a picture from the reference thread.
I recently got a tablet to draw, but I can't get shortstack girls' heads into proportion with their bodies. Any tips?
>>2401608
yep, you're one of the best people that visit here often. You're something for them to compare themselves to, if they belittle you it somehow makes their artwork much better. They're just scum, pay no attention and keep doing all that you do for the beginner threads and us noobs =)
I severely hope I'm not doing these gradation charts wrong or something cause this shit gets tough.
>>2401823
theyre not wrong, theyre just bad,
>>2401823
you can tell if it's wrong just by looking at the thumbnail. do they look like smooth gradations y/n?
>>2401622
Thanks for your detailed advice. Man, that's definitely alot to work on.
Any tips on how to use the chisel tip on a marker?
>>2395905
at least i drew something today. thats a start
Pls forgive construction chicken scratch
>>2401986
you shall be burned at the stake, heretic
>>2401638
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gkLkFrkcUA
Finished the first just for the sake of finishing it. Did a second but I'm starting to feel like the ref is just too difficult for my current skill level.
>>2402262
what's your favorite type of rock?
Some sketches using the reference thread.
>>2402265
Havn't thought about type before but I do like lonely rocks / mountain range standing out in a field or desert.
someone help me with the shadows!?
>>2402291
rocky plains are the best landscapes
>>2402291
I also like rocks
Chimp-hands here. I'm back for more. tried to do a rat skull. I can tell some proportions are off... but I think I'm getting close to where I was before I took a long break from drawing.
>>2401077
That is why I am posting in here. Shouldn't have tried to talk myself up at all. To be fair, I'm horribly out of practice and when I first "started" drawing I was much worse.
>>2401082
Lulz
