Hey /ic/?
How do I sexualize both men and women in my drawings?
And can you redirect me to some artists that perfectly do that?
What exactly do you not understand?
Just look at hot models on Google, see how the men and women are like, exaggerate some features (smaller waist, wider hips on females, prominent adonis belt on males, bulge and breasts, etc)
>>2391464
to sexualize a woman draw a woman
to sexualize a man give him a suit
>>2391511
lol no.
>>2391512
what do you disagree on
You sexualize them by equal show of skin/posing.
So while you have a woman in stilettos bending her back seductively in inappropriate clothing, you have a man also posing in some exaggerated way, dressed in similarly revealing clothes. Shoulders, navel, long boots, whatever. A lot of women enjoy seeing men sexualized in borderline feminine ways as well, though a beefcake can also be appreciated, especially if he's not made into some gloomy, edgy mess.
Think of dark souls' player character's women and men representation but reversed.
Attitude can be an important part. Making a man flirty and salacious can be tricky for some to nail. Its not gay when there'll be women viewing your work eventually. Stop stressing about it. The men in your drawings aren't you, just as the women aren't you either.
Also, butts. Don't be scared of showing posteriors.
>>2391512
wrong
>>2391464
make men girly and make women muscly.
miura
Idealize the men, but in a way a woman would. Give him a pretty face and flash random bits that women would like to see. If you're a dude you might end up automatically shifting the focus on the female - try avoiding that. The dude must be something a chick would want, not a blank self insert device.
To give you a faster solution: go to pixiv, find a moderately skilled fujoshit, look at her drawings. Go for the same thing, except replace one of the dudes with a chick.
As for complete hetfag work that meets your criteria, pic related shoulf be fairly close to what you're looking for.
This dude on pixiv
>>2391865
Google dick geyson to sexualize men.
make them good looking
typically in a graceful pose
thats all there is
>>2391920
>turning them into fags
so you're saying women are attracted to fags?
>>2391920
just some shit I remember from discovery channel:
>it is believed humans evolved from our ancestors when the majority of womans chose the weak males over the strong ones. the strong one would give protection again dangers but be very hostile, especially again other males cubs, while the weak ones would search and bring food for the mother and her babies, regardless if it was his or not (a true fag and cuck on top of that) as well as nursing the baby himself from time to time
>what that led to was less and less muscular individuals, generation after generation (which was affecting the dna, which was affecting the hormones which, on their turn, were affecting the mass of muscles gained from basic activities)
>and all this affected a particular muscle too, the muscles moving the mandible. those are attacked to the side of the skull, and by becoming smaller they left more space for the brain
look at the 2 gaps behind the eye sockets, at the sides of the brain, they are were those muscles are
so yeah, in conclusion, womans have been turning men into fags even before our history started
>>2391930
another pic
>>2391923
Masculine women like effeminate men. These kind of depictations of androgynous/gay looking dudes appeal to nerdy girls. Most nerd girls are somewhat masculine.
>>2391971
that's utter generalized bullshit, anon
>>2391773
Not that anon but it doesn't matter what the guy is wearing, he could be wearing sweats and a hoodie and still be sexualized. I think it has to do with the posing and whether or not you can see the personality. And a nice face.
The anon who said to look up good fujoshit is right, they don't have to be shredded to be attractive
>all this butthurt evopsych
>>2391971
Women in the first world tend to prefer attractive men with decent faces, whereas third world ones who live in extreme hardship gravitate towards what men want to be, i.e. big disgusting hairy homoerotic ogres, in exchange for protection. They don't have the privilege to practice authentic preference.
To add to the topic: sun ken rock has decent shots. Composition and focus is key.
>>2392123
Nothing in your post makes sense.
>>2392134
Only because you don't like what you're reading.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052748704100604575145810050665030
That being said, >generalizations.
>>2392096
Oh, did I hurt your tumblr feelings?
>>2392123
Fuck off with your sjw privilege bullshit. The vast majority of attractive women like masculine men, third and first world. Women in general aren't as visually oriented as men when it comes to choosing a male. That's why dick pics doesn't do as much for women as boob pics do for men.
>>2392193
>comparing penis with boobs
![Sanctuary v01 c05 126 [TFT].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/HACHzb6.jpg "Sanctuary v01 c05 126 [TFT].jpg")
Ryoichi Ikegami is the king of making everyone really sexy.
waaaait a second, you can cash in some porn bucks from female audience? i didnt know such thing was possible
>>2392193
Except this isn't sjw bullshit. It's closer to redpill autism, if anything. You sound pretty personally invested, though.
If OP looking for practical solutions at all, your incel feels mean jack shit. Wailing about people not liking what you are hasn't worked well for Tumblr landwhales and is unlikely to work for you.
>>2392210
Sakimi has been doing it for a while
>>2392139
the fact that I have one side of the jaw smaller and the other one bigger push me to do this
ok guys, let's do a test, choose which one you prefer and state your sex and country too
(ignore the nose, it's a little tilted in orginal pic so it come out funny)
>>2392221
what would be a generic tier artist that does that?
i noticed that woman love man with big hands for some reason
>>2392247
It's because it's a masculine trait that indicates a healthy amount of prenatal testosterone.
>>2392226
3 is the most masculine face and 2 the most feminine based on skull and jaw shape and overall robustness.
>>2392226
Your test sucks because the editing is lazy and makes pictures 2 and 3 look disgusting thanks to the slapped on symmetry.
Also, you don't look to take care of your looks at all and appear sloppy/ugly as a result.
>>2392123
This is also correct. It only makes sense: a more effeminate men with less masculine features is also typically less aggressive and prone to violence, and better suited to function in a developed country where careful socialization with other members is key.
>>2392279
>implying gentle male feminists get laid more than agressive jock types
lel
>>2392306
>implying attitude has anything to do with looks
>muh chadfu
Nigga we're talking aesthetics in illustration here. This is /ic/, not /r9k/.
>>2392306
This. The fact is that people in the third world are just generally ugly as fuck all around; there's a strong correlation between being ugly, poor and stupid. If a woman's choice is between an ugly weak guy and an ugly strong guy it's not hard to imagine that she'd choose the ugly guy with 6-pack abs.
http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/beautiful-men-women-smarter-high-iqs-study-article-1.153345
Likewise despite the fact I have a fairly attractive face I'm fairly certain that just about any woman would choose Sage Northcutt or Dolph Lundgren circa 1985 over me and my dad-bod if it came down to it. I know relationships don't work that way but this is simply about preference-and the lengths both men and women will go to deny them.
>>2392326
Most people will choose a fit butterface for an easy lay over a homely fatty with a face that could be cute with some work.
>>2392326
that study doesn't say anything about your bullshit theory. wealthy is relative.
my personal impression is the complete opposite: 4 out of 5 latin american mixed race chicks are hot, while only 2 out of 5 white americans, at best, are. probably because of the mixed race stuff.
>>2392326
i can agree with that
Of all the things I thought this thread could be I didn't imagine it would be an argument over how to best sexualize men. I couldn't offer much help but I would say it matters who the audience is. A gay man's idea of a sexualized man and a woman's idea of one can be vastly different, but there are areas of overlap.
>>2392367
>my personal impression is the complete opposite: 4 out of 5 latin american mixed race chicks are hot, while only 2 out of 5 white americans, at best, are.
Well for one, this is just your personal anecdote; I don't know what it's based on, either. Are you talking about personal experience from walking around in major metropolitan areas in Brazil or Venezuela and comparing the people with those you've seen in america or what? You yourself said that wealth is relative, and you're certainly not going to find many "hotties" amongst the squaws in the favelas of Brazil.
>probably because of the mixed race stuff.
No, it's probably because a third of them are obese and 2/3rds are "overweight" to begin with (though notably in America more of other races are even fatter)
http://stateofobesity.org/disparities/
Just about any country will have more attractive women than the united states "from the neck down" on average.
>>2392385
The best part about this whole thing is that hairy manly jockchad barashit is overwhelmingly preferred by gay men, which none of the faggots here seems to realize.
>mfw
>>2391783
the rony
>>2392434
Yeah with women I think less braun more brain is the way to go. The man can be masculine, but women aren't as visually oriented as men. That's a clumsy way to phrase it but what I mean is where just an image can pull a very strong reaction from a man, it usually takes added context to pull as strong a reaction from a woman. I think that's why a lot of female art tends to be fanart of characters they're attached to, whereas male artists often draw a lot of nonspecific women even if they do fanart as well.
>>2392458
True. They tend to attach to prettyboy characters though.
If you look at multimedia that 's marketed and sold solely to women, it's pretty easy to spot a recurring pattern in male aesthetics.
>>2392458
Bingo.
>>2392464
>women
You mean female weaboos. 14 year old girls with aspergers and a love for anime aren't women.
>>2392210
Japan managed to build an industry on this. I bought 3 vns and would pay for patreon if I liked it enough.
>>2392483
>implying you are femanon
>>2392477
Doesn't matter. OP is likely asking for marketing/pandering reasons.
I think you'll find that middle aged moms don't care about consuming illustrative art (or whatever OP is looking to produce) in general.
>>2392464
Stuff like that is marketed to teen girls though, not women, so again audience matters. And I would again say that appearance can be pretty nominal. The guy can just look like a normal ass dude. The problem with men trying to sexualize men is that they look at every man and think they're ugly. They look at themselves and think they're ugly. When it comes to making them sexy though, they don't have to look like anything special, in fact they can be kind of ugly and women will still go crazy for them if they're well written. See Loki, Sherlock, Crowley from Supernatural, Darryl from the Walking Dead, Snape & Lucius Malfoy the list goes on.
>>2392434
>>2392458
Keep telling yourselves that if it makes you feel better. I have tons of female acquaintances, mostly co-workers and a few exes on facebook and I've seldom if ever seen a single one of them post a picture of a twink or a lard-tard and collectively swoon over him. Now I don't go out of my way to see what these people are posting, but I feel after so many years of being on facebook, if such preferences were overwhelmingly common as you imply, I'd have to have stumbled upon them posting those kind of dudes just as often as when I see shit like this picture one of them posted today right as I logged in..
Women use red herring bullshit to deflect from their true preferences all the goddamn time; I can only imagine to make themselves look less shallow because it doesn't fit with reality at all.
"Oh I don't care if a guy is tall, has a big dick, muscles, or money, I'd rather he have a good personality"
As if any of those things are even mutually exclusive.
>>2392509
>implying they are swooning over the man in that picture
Dude bitches love the horse cock.
>>2392485
ok believe what you want the fuck i care
just giving my 2 cents
>>2392521
giving your two cents to whom?
>>2392524
>are there women willing to pay fort erotic art
there are
not realy worth targeting them unless you yourself are passionate about the kind of stuf they like
there are no sweaty, fat male bl mangakas
>>2392532
>the kind of stuf they like
what would that be?
>>2392509
See
>>2392493
Nobody cares what your ovulating 30 year old office hags think or want, autist. They're not the ones throwing patreon shekels for lewd fanarts of their fave vidya characters.
Try and sell drawings of the horse faggot you posted, then tell us how much you've made.
>>2392533
why dont you head over to cm and y and do your research
>>2392509
Women only post pictures like your pic because it's expected. This is what men think equates to sexy for men because men are visually oriented so this is their way of relating but I guarantee you, any women who'd buy a calendar full of pictures like that is doing it for the keks and she's going to be schlicking to fanfiction that night. Anyone who's actually getting off to images like that will be gay men.
>>2391464
at the same time? For women, you literally do nothing but show some features. For men, you need to show them in a sexual situation or in dominant positions.
If you want something more subtle, look at some clothing catalogs.
>>2391971
>>2392115
I liked effeminate men and shota until around my 18th birthday. After that, my tastes started shifting to masculine men and bara. I still find effeminate men visually appealing (just like women), but I'd prefer a big athletic beast of a man, you know? I'm guessing this switch happens to a lot of women, so just know your demographics and to whom you want to appeal to.
Also, roughly 70% of men are dominant (prefer submissive feminine women) and 70% of women are submissive (prefer dominant masculine men).
>>2392538
im doing my research right here right now
>>2392593
I don't think those ratios are equal. I can't remember where I've read it, but it's a lot harder to find a dominant female in BDSM circles, while submissive women and men are significantly more easier to find.
But yeah, adult women prefer more masculine men. It's only really the teenage girls that uguu over effeminate men, like Bieber or some shit.
Or you live in Japan where current housewives now have shit taste for the most part.
>>2392536
Sakimichan caught lightning in a bottle on Patreon once she started making high level fanart for hugely popular IPs like Disney, League of Legends and so on, and most of it was female characters with their tits practically hanging out. Don't act like she's making as much as she is now just because of the men she paints; I wouldn't be surprised if 75% or more of her actual backers are straight men, gay men, men that want to have sex with her specifically, and people that wanted her tutorials. Obviously nobody's going to make money on patreon making pictures of some nobody you retarded faggot, unless they're an established romance novel cover illustrator or photographer anyway.
>>2392541
>Women only post pictures like your pic because it's expected
I don't buy it; too many of the 20-something females I know love WWE shit, Thor, Captain America, Sons of Anarchy and so on. Narrative is certainly important to women though, I don't dispute that. Most of the less outlandishly built characters women swoon for often have some things in common. Often they're "bad boys" like Darryl or "powerful" in the social or aristocratic sense of the word like Snape and Lucius as a poster remarked earlier.
>>2392692
>gay men
>liking male effeminacy
You're even more autistic than I thought.
> Don't act like she's making as much as she is now just because of the men she paints
She's not famous because of bishounen, but she started painting them because that's what female backers wanted - case in point. If stuff like this didn't make commercial sense to her it wouldn't be worth doing due to risk of alienating the male fanbase and losing money.
You know nothing about what women actually buy when they're into 2d illustration. When they do buy, it's effeminate men/fujoshit. Deal with it.
Move hips in front of everything.
Also draw them good looking.
>>2392692
The poster who remarked that was still me, btw. The difference between Darryl and the other guys you listed, even the WWE guys, and that generic shirtless guy next to a horse, IS narrative. The Hulk is big and muscular and always shirtless but had next to no fanart coming from women at all until Mark Ruffalo played him and finally melded the idea of a meek kind-hearted man empathetic enough to fear his own power without being a pussy. They always draw Bruce though, not the Hulk. Darryl is another good example, he actually cares about the people he's with. His brother was arguably more masculine but nobody gives a shit about Merl because he was a dick. But even he & the Mayor have fans based on their sadistic tendencies, women certainly get into that, but it's not just how they look. Show a bunch of pinups of naked firemen to a woman and she'll be interested for a second, show some celebs or characters she'll look longer, throw good writing on top of it and she'll invest.
>>2392734
To add onto that, The Joker is another perfect example. Tons of women think he's sexy, unironically, and he's usually drawn ugly as sin. He's thin as a rail, no musculature to speak of. But he's an interesting character, and women and girls were big fans of him even before Heath Ledger played him. You can make a male character very sexy and appealing to women without them being very muscular or even slightly muscular.
>>2392709
>gay men
>not effeminate themselves with the sparsest of anecdotes to the contrary
You're even more autistic than I thought.
>>2392734
The Hulk is a bad example; his proportions aren't even close to human, he's like what, 12 heads tall and nearly as many wide? The equivalent of that would be someone who thinks that 15 gallon breasts/inflation porn is sexy because they're mentally ill. Sakimichan's characters may retain their clean, youthful and somewhat "effeminate" anime appearance, but they are still unmistakably men, with broad shoulders, narrow hips (V-Taper) and clearly defined musculature. Saki's men certainly have more in common with that horse-guy or the men on the cover of any given romance novel than the Hulk at any rate
>>2392741
>You can make a male character very sexy and appealing to women without them being very muscular or even slightly muscular.
So if the pattern we've seen so far is correct it's not important that the male character is muscular as long as he's a power-hungry despot or an unhinged sociopath? Women, I tells ya...
>>2392797
Take your risperdal.
Gays may be effeminate, but virtually none of them prefer effeminacy in a partner. In fact, they tend to exhibit the same degree of compensatory salivation over masculinity that you've displayed ITT. It's almost uncanny.
>>2392797
The picture you posted just proves it right there. Vegeta normally has huge muscles but what did she do? She slimmed him down, made his expression softer. The Hulk was still a good example because like I said, women like Bruce Banner, who's slimmer and softer but still masculine. Visually women aren't looking for hard bodies, things like that horse trainer that relies purely on visual interest are just a gimmick, no woman will actually invest in that for more than a second. If you look on places like Ladyboner and Handsome Men and Y and shit, you will see guys of all shapes and sizes but the stuff that captures women's visual interest will be guys who aren't JUST muscular, but that look masculine AND like they have a story to them. That's why even when you have one of those gimmicky beefcake things there's still usually a prop like the horse, or a fireman's or cop's hat, because it suggests there's more there than just muscles.
>>2392822
>things like that horse trainer that relies purely on visual interest are just a gimmick
But horse dude's body is more function/convenience than aesthetics. It's not particularly outstanding or idealized. Saki's men is pure aesthetics, or the closest thing we can get to unrealistic sexualization of men.
If anything, horse dude is an example of what women think of when they say that they don't care about looks and want a guy for his personality. He is utterly average, especially in the face.
>>2392822
Not him, but
>Vegeta normally has huge muscles
Vegeta isn't as steroid-tier as you think. Sakimi did make his waist more narrow, which is always more sexually appealing.
>made his expression softer.
...How so? The features are still the same, minus the giant polygon eyes.
>The Hulk
>using The fucking Hulk as an example, an extremity
Are you dumb? Not even barafags like that kind of build.
Hyper-muscle is a fetish for a reason.
>>2392838
>>2392857
You're not understanding me. I'm saying Saki IS sexualizing men the way women want to see it. She's able to nail that subtle difference that you're not getting between her drawings and the horse guy because she IS a woman and sees the difference naturally. Women are the largest portion of her fanbase, and that happened even before she was releasing nude edits. It's because she knows which characters appeal to women and knows how women want to see them depicted. There's nothing average in the slightest about the horse guy, and he's not any woman's ideal man except maybe some 40-50 year old cougar. In the current market, if you're looking to develop a female fanbase based on sex appeal, that horse guy is far from where you should aim.
It's pretty clear that you're not going to understand me and I think I've exhausted my point so I'm just going to leave off here.
>>2392871
No, I understand you.
It's just that you're being stupid in some parts of it.
>>2392877
See, you've resorted to name calling and that totally shuts down any possibility of real discussion. By the way, if you actually think only people who are into hyper muscles like the Hulk's build and bigger you truly are clueless.
>>2391464
If you are wanting to know what women find sexy, check out /y/. Most of that stuff is drawn by women.
Eh, a lot of the apparent effeminacy to me reads as youthful. I want young guys and that skinny sort of look just looks more youthful to me.
>>2392815
That isn't the kind of tits I was talking about by the way. I meant like, house sized inhuman tits. Those are definitely big to the point where it's getting a little silly but they're not even a little close to a Hulk-tier exaggeration.
>Gays may be effeminate, but virtually none of them prefer effeminacy in a partner.
Considering that few of them are masculine outside of a very niche subculture this amuses me
>they tend to exhibit the same degree of compensatory salivation over masculinity that you've displayed ITT. It's almost uncanny
>supposedly has "intimate, insider knowledge" about how gays and women think and about what they prefer in their partners
>not so subtly implies I'm gay for sharing my interpretation of a personal anecdote
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection
This nigga. This whole argument started because I just happened to share with OP what the younger women I know, many of whom I met through anime conventions and several of which I'd had my winger-dinger inside, talk about.
>>2392838
is this traditional art?
>>2392909
>Considering that few of them are masculine outside of a very niche subculture this amuses me
Well, that's life for you. What people are or what they want to be themselves isn't always what they'd want to fuck. Then there's also "what you'd ideally want" vs "what you'd actually be able to land". For most people, there's a huge gap between the former and the latter.
>This whole argument started because I just happened to share with OP
No, it started because you don't understand the difference between conclusions drawn from personal anecdotes and conclusions drawn from actual purchasing patterns by industry professionals. You also act personally offended for some reason.
>the younger women I know, many of whom I met through anime conventions and several of which I'd had my winger-dinger inside, talk about.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overcompensation
>>2392924
That's Phil Hale, so most likely yeah.
>>2391787
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>>2392838
>If anything, horse dude is an example of what women think of when they say that they don't care about looks and want a guy for his personality. He is utterly average, especially in the face.
You honestly think a guy with an eight pack is average? Do you live across the street from a Gold's Gym or something?
>>2392925
>You also act personally offended for some reason
It probably started when you personally offended me by calling me autistic for sharing my outside experience with what and who the young women in my life talk about; also I think you've mistaken me for several other posters but that's besides the point
>No, it started because you don't understand the difference between conclusions drawn from personal anecdotes and conclusions drawn from actual purchasing patterns by industry professionals.
I started this conversation by saying that in my experience, generally speaking women do not swoon over skeletons or fatbodies ( >>2392326 , >>2392509 ) and I stand by that position that, all other things equal, generally a woman would choose a physically developed healthy man over one that wasn't as that represents an ideal.
Looking back I'm not even sure how Sakimi's art even comes close to contradicting what I'd said (especially when I began posting with a picture of Sage Northcutt of all people) considering that the plurality of the male characters she paints, if not all of them, are extremely highly developed men with bodies akin to early 1900's body builder Eugen Sandow. I'm starting to believe I was engaging in a proxy argument with you on someone else's behalf this whole time; or at least that we both reduced the statements made by one another to a crude hyperbole, but it's whatever.
>overcompensation
You baited for it, deal with it nigga; we're both anonymous. It's not like the fact that so many fujoshi yaoi-tard girls not so secretly lust for my masculine dad-bod is going to hurt you after this discussion is over ;^)
>>2393493
The delusion is strong with this one.
>>2393743
Nice meme, virgin.
Go back to your containment board already
>>>/r9k/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sctjy2ByJqY
Femanon here, this thread is really pathetic
>>2393788
>memes back at a meme
No, you really are delusional if you think your dad bod and 8 packs are what fujoshis lust after. Gross.
The "young" women in your workplace might lust over WWE and Marvel characters but they are not fujos- don't lump them in with that very specific kind of nerd. I like my 2d/3d boys young, slim and with a nice face. Not that good 'ol boy you keep posting.
>>2393801
>femanon here
So are you here to say "just b urself" to virtue signal for a bunch of pimply fat tits betas you wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole in real life or what? Exclaiming that men discussing what women like both from personal anecdotes and based on market patterns is pathetic is a fantastic start to whatever moralizing you have planned for us.
>>2393827
It's not the topic, it's the way you're all so intense in your arguments. I think if you all calmed down for five seconds it would be easier to discuss anything without seeming so sad
>>2392221
The guys she draws always make me want to fucking punch them in the face.
>>2393823
Fujos aren't nerds. That word has been watered out to the point where it no longer has any meaning.
They're just losers, and are essentially female neckbeards.
>>2393874
No wonder. She turns every male character into a homosexual.
You could checking out some yaoi manga, or sakimichan like the anon above said.
Many women seem to like boyish faces for some reason.
>>2393876
It literally just means women who are into homo, that's it. If you want to use it wrong, that's your problem.
>>2393969
No, it refers to the entire subculture, and not just "liking homo". It's tied to anime/manga, certain styles, character archetypes and the lifestyle itself.
A neckbeard isn't just a guy with a beard on his neck.
>>2392123
til I'm living in extreme hardship and don't have the privilege to practice authentic preference.
>>2392226
bad test. 1 is best. interestingly asymmetrical face though.
>>2393823
>NOT memeing back at memes
s.m.h. fampai
>No, you really are delusional if you think your dad bod
...Maybe we'll cross paths one day and you'll finally experience your repressed fantasy of being taken for all you're worth by a hairy, built-fat stranger like so many of your kind have before ;^)
>gross
rude.
>I like my 2d/3d boys young, slim and with a nice face
If we're going to use pictures like these...
>>2391855
>>2391865
>>2392123
>>2392221
>>2392536
>>2392593
>>2392822
...to form a conception of what an ideal is for a legbeard then you'll do well to note that every last one of them looks a lot like this bodybuilder from the1970's; I have to assume slim is a relative thing. They're certainly slim relative to world famous strong man Mariusz Pudzianowski or the aformentioned Hulk but they're broad and defined in a way few of the men you'll meet on the street in your lifetime are. When I said that in my experience women don't lust after skeletons or fatbodies in general please note that none of these characterizations of the male form represent either.
What they certainly are in the end is an unrealistic standard of beauty that I ought to write about on my MRAmblr. You should be ashamed of yourself for making me feel inadequate for not spending 3 hours a day in the gym.
>>2392434
Can't say I agree completely... I think it's got mostly to do with age. When I was a teen, my friends were in to rather effeminate men, but as they matured, it's definitively the more "bara" dudes that are the source of attention!
>>2392509
this is a poor example of what women think is sexy, except for two things. That's a bombass horse, and it suggests he's good with animals. Actually he also has a decent smile, so that's a plus.
Anyway since this is also a thread talking about making male characters for female gazes, I'll take a shot at helping. Mr. Horseman's body is too close to body-builder territory which women generally find unappealing. Too much definition. Pics provided are closer to what the average woman kinda-sorta likes (there's a lot of variation). First is the V type, sleek yet muscular with medium definition, usually accompanied by fairly feminine faces/smooth features/pretty eyes. Generally preferred by girls and younger women, but not exclusively. Second type is the stocky 'real strength' look, which has a more square torsos, less definition then V types, yet generally strong mofos. Generally preferred by 20+ year old women. Square can be hairy or not, while V types usually are preferred fairly hairless.
A huge portion of ladies like the 'Samoan' look. aka guys like the Rock or Jason Momoa (pictured). Ladies like enough definition to show muscles, but not so much that it looks like he spends 50 a week at the gym sculpting as opposed to actually getting strong, like mr. horseman. Hugh Jackman is another good example of square torso types being popularly considered hot as shit by women, and doesn't look sculpted to shit.
The heavily sculpted, bulky, yet V-type torso look (aka musclehead) isn't very commonly preferred by the ladies.They tend to like them sleek, young-looking, and decently muscled, or they tend to like them stocky, tough, and hardy. roidheads look like they're about to pass out half the time and that's not attractive.
George of the Jungle awakened many panties for instance. He's basically the best example I can think of to show off the middle-ground between the two types. If you really want more study material, go to plus4chan's /coq/.
>>2394138
>the samoan look
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2358371/American-Samoas-battle-obesity-95-cent-nation-declared-overweight.html
>>2394138
>sleek
Lel, practically a stick figure right? Look at those small muscles and narrow shoulders.
>feminine faces
There is virtually nothing feminine about his face. Look at his boxy head shape, the strong jaw, the marked nose, the deep set eyes and prominent brow.
>Hugh Jackman doesn't spend a lot of time at the gym
Oh now you're just trolling. Jesus christ women are so clueless it's not even funny.
>>2394138
This is pretty true desu.
>>2391957
That's a thing? I though asian men naturally has smaller jaws
>>2394195
He means the women. Many korean women have huge underbites
>>2394158
>>2394146
This is 4chan you fucks, 10 min to find pics and type ain't gonna be perfect, so instead of focusing on the core issue you're gonna nitpick bullshit instead of comprehending the basic suggestions.
Samoan is in quotes for that very reason, actually. Look more closely next time you google them, beautiful people if you nix the fat.
You need to study more faces if you think red-example doesn't have a feminine face m8, lots of porn ladies have similar features. But you're right, there are better examples of that look out there and I have failed you senpai. Sleek is a relative term. Compare red-man to some of saki's men and you'll see they have the similar 'tight, sleek, muscled, V-type torso' look. Saki is shit, but knows what sells.
And m8, read into it whatever you want but I sure as shit didn't say Jackman never went to the gym. All the guys named and showed spend a lot of time working out. The difference is they don't look ripped or roided out and avoid the body-builder look which horseman is plagued with.
>assumes I'm a woman because I pay attention to what women like and try to understand it to get dat cash mone
>next at 10; lol fag
>breaking news; 4chan still reading at 2nd grade level
Either way, you cunts take what helps and leave what doesn't. Nit-picking bullshit ain't gonna help you get that sweet tween fangirl cash.
>>2394210
it's not limited to one sex
In general, women like masculine, muscular guys. Obviously, there is a limit to how masculine and muscular a guy they would want, I'm sure they don't want Hulk on top of them. In the same way that guys like girls with slim waists, big tits, round asses. If her tits and ass are too big and her waist is too small, she looks ridiculous.
I think women generally find pic-related to be the ideal body type. There are exceptions to it, as with everything. I'm sure there are women out there that like lardasses and dadbods, or super muscular roidheads.
A lot of you niggas seem to forget that women can enjoy more than one type of man.
>>2394226
That poster was being a little rude
>next at 10; lol fag
You asked for it!
>>2394242
As can men, we're just talking about a majority/in general here.
>>2394226
Nitpicky yes, but you're wrong about the face.
Here is another pic of the same guy. Very masculine face.
Women like cute men, I know no women who like masculine men desu
The kpop boy is the ideal
>>2394298
lol
>>2391464
Winona Nelson makes dudes look really gay. Muscular but not super buff. Toight like a tiger I suppose. Hairless. She likes to show their nipples. Or -a- nipple. Usually only one nipple is bared. That's her thing I bet. Sweet sweet man nips, sans hair. Peekaboo!
I don't know how many times I've heard women say they like dark men. And by that I mean dark skinned and haired. Not brooding goths. Don't get yer hopes up anons.
Ginger dudes are fucked.
>>2394258
Yes, and the majority can (and most likely does) prefer more one type. It doesn't have to be either masculine (see actors) or pretty boys (sakimi shit) exclusively, which some people are thinking.
If anything, it's better to do both for better general appeal. Pic related is a popular female artist who draws sexually attractive men.
>>2394138
Finally someone who fucking gets it.
>>2394379
Gingers can be cute. Strangely there's only one ginger man I know of that I actually find hot but I think people would think I'm lying or trolling because he probably doesn't fit the definition of ideal. But I would fuck him. I would fucking marry him.
>>2393845
>/ic/
>being calm
/ic/ would be at each other's throats even if this thread was about sexualizing a fucking penguin.
>>2391464
>>2394138
>>2394226
I dont understand why you get so mad when its obvious that you only regurgitate your own biases.
>>2394231
Theres probably tons of variation. Bieber is popular among women, Henry Cavill has been voted to be best looking celebrity, and Im sure theres some superfit muscular guy who is popular too. Its hard to pin down exactly what most women like desu.
>>2394535
>Henry Cavill has been voted to be best looking celebrity, and Im sure theres some superfit muscular guy who is popular too
Henry Cavill is a superfit muscular guy you idiot.
>>2394537
Yes it is. You're attracted to big hands because it's a masculine trait that conveys strength.
>>2394530
Kind of funny how men and womens perception of what is attractive differs so much. Everybody seems to like brown hair and blue eyes though.
>>2394541
I dont think he keeps the physique he had in Superman all the time.
Also, he was very fit but not really out there like some fitness people can be:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTMFzwiiXkk
>>2394546
>tfw tiny hands
>>2394556
>tfw tiny hands
And a weak chin. Amirite, anon?
>>2394546
Denoting strength is different from denoting testosterone.
If a guy acts macho, my ovaries just shrivel up, that shit's gross. I don't think big hands are hot because of testosterone, I think big hands are hot because they mean he is strong and healthy and can reach a bunch of places at once.
There's no point in arguing about it because there's no way to prove a point. I can just as easily say 'You are turned on by breasts because subconsciously you are reminded of breastfeeding on your mother' or some shit. I know for a fact that overly masculine faces and behaviour turns me off even on a subconscious level, it's about the size and healthiness not that.
>>2394459
WTH? Shes been drawing the Witcher looking guy for 2-3 years straight. Its almost like the Lucky Luke autist.
>>2394560
Stop
>>2394553
He might not be as big as the biggest bodybuilders, but he is still tall, fit and very muscular indeed. It doesn't hurt that he has the face of a male model too. You're making it sound like he is some average dude with a dad bod.
>>2394572
Bradley Martyn is far from a bodybuilder, hes just a guy that most people think is huge.
>You're making it sound like he is some average dude with a dad bod.
My intention was to make him an example of a man who is considered very attractive, while being something in-between Bieber and a guy like Bradley Martyn. English isnt my first language so that could be why it wasnt so clear from the beginning.
>>2394566
It's ok, I too have small hands and a weak chin and I still smash. But yeah it does suck a bit.
>>2394582
Bradley Martyn IS a bodybuilder. What on earth are you talking about?
>>2394598
He would never win a serious show with the way he looks, and AFAIK he has only competed in a few Physique contests.
>>2394078
>...Maybe we'll cross paths one day and you'll finally experience your repressed fantasy of being taken for all you're worth by a hairy, built-fat stranger like so many of your kind have before ;^)
Please don't :3
>What they certainly are in the end is an unrealistic standard of beauty that I ought to write about on my MRAmblr. You should be ashamed of yourself for making me feel inadequate for not spending 3 hours a day in the gym
You totally can, men are also bombarded with unrealistic models smoldering at them throughout life too. I don't really like what's in commercials though, that's why I like what Japanese fujos draw. You don't have to go to the gym, there's a niche for your body type too just not for me. I was a bitch but thems the breaks anon, can't get into guys that look like my dad or his friends.
>>2394731
Then go for 9's and 10's.
Good luck though.
>>2394379
>I don't know how many times I've heard women say they like dark men. And by that I mean dark skinned and haired. Not brooding goths. Don't get yer hopes up anons.
Whatever helps you sleep at night
>>2393493
ok but that link is hot im wet
>>2393493
>being this proud of being some fujoshit hamplanet's last resort
mein seids
you're all they can land m9
>>2393823
WWE and comic books weren't made with women in mind and contain no variety of male beauty in the first place. To conclude that what you'll find there constitutes an absolute female ideal is like saying that men's ideal is underage cartoon sparkly horses just because a bunch of fat spergs are pissing their adult diapers over them.
Take MGS, for instance. When in any given game there's no one but Snake lookalikes, women will fangirl over them, sure. As soon as you add a Raiden, their attention will shift towards him almost entirely. Hell, the intent behind him as a character isn't even a secret.
or draw pretty boys who are girls
>>2394928
>no image
t-thanks hiroyuki
>>2394195
Yeah, they even pose for photos doing a "v shape" in front of their jaws and everything. It's a thing.
This thread deserves fanart
>>2394731
>Please don't
I had fun writing that, anyway.
>You totally can, men are also bombarded with unrealistic models smoldering at them throughout life too.
I was joking.
I don't think much of the notion that society or "the market" or whatever the hell "owes" us "realism" in their marketing. I admire beautiful people in no small part because I can appreciate the effort one needs to expend to get even close to an idealized shape - male or female - and more difficult yet, as my own flabby frame alludes, to maintain it. I have only myself to blame for the fact that I don't look like one of Sakimi Chan's Frank Zane analogues.
I like to believe that the Greeks were spared a subculture that demanded the sculptors of their age portray society's most mundane and pockmarked subjects but who knows, really.
>>2394602
>He would never win a serious show with the way he looks
Thanks to modern advances in chemistry bodybuilding has become an abomination, up from the "extremely eccentric pass time" it was from the early to mid 1900's. Nobody that hasn't been juicing for a decade or more has any chance of competing in that kind of circus at this point.
>>2394989
>collapses
lost it
>>2393874
their faces are fucking disgusting. Sakimi is shit at them
>op asks how 2 omnipandering
>thread turns into psychotherapy soapbox for a pudgy homosexual bloke
/r/ sakimi tier pinup but with dad bod
Men: Make them look like they were drawn by Ayami Kojima or Yoshitaka Amano. All men are Bishonen and androgynous metrosexual fashionistas that shop at Tumblr.
Make sure he has swollen V muscles on his lower 8-pack so dumb women know where his giant cock is located.
If he's not fabulous, you lose. Add more accessories and try again.
Examples:
> Josuke Jojolion, Meier Link, Griffith, Lord Sesshomaru, Howl Pendragon
Wymyn: Give them any hairstyle, and nice titties. If you're drawing your little sister go big or go home. if she has no tits, then she needs a tight ass. Anatomy and proportion can go fuck themselves. Remember, women are objects for sex. If she's not fuckable, you lose.
>youhadonejob.jpg
>TL;DR
Google Image Search Otto Schmidt, Frank Frazetta, Al Buell, Earl Moran, and Calvin Klein. Take notes and do studies. These are people who know their shit.
>>2395321
Your butthurt is showing. Otherwise it's fairly accurate.
>>2394530
>Perfect male body
>Not Frank Zane's everything
Nigga please
>>2394547
>Everybody seems to like brown hair and blue eyes though.
Fuck year.
>tfw you won the genetic lottery
>>2395332
I might be the only person in the world who prefers brown eyes. Blue eyes look freaky to me, and I'm not much a fan of green/hazel either.
>>2395320
>thread turns into psychotherapy soapbox for a pudgy homosexual bloke
Let's not pretend that the same couldn't be said for almost every thread on this board
>>2395335
OKAY
Who let this jinn out of the lamp? He was trapped in there for a reason.
Hey guys what going on in this threa
Bump
>>2396292
Jesus Christ
>>2392226
I think your double lazy eyes are more the issue family.
>>2394596
I have beautiful small hands but then chin and jaw for days. Doesn't bother me none, they're all the better for fisting little asian qts.
>>2396292
I came
>>2396292
I need Link in another sexy pose
F-for research, of course.
>>2391464
>And can you redirect me to some artists that perfectly do that?
I think Araki does it well.
>>2397088
>>2396687
are you sure? I am just looking down
This thread
>>2394268
anon was saying feminine face is generally preferred on v-types, and he's a square-type pokemon.
Pay close attention faces on the "sexy" guys posted. There's a reason most women draw men and women with more detail on the eyes and lips. If you had to put an extra focus on the aesthetics somewhere, that's where it needs to be.
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