Grand Prize
>You drew everyday for a long time, longer than anyone else. Congratulations. You are the best
Rules
>Update every day at: http://www.lavaflake.com/draw/
>The deadline for submissions is 23:59:59 GMT each day
>You should spend at least 30 minutes on each update
>Miss a day and you can make up for it the next day with a double post.
>Miss another day within a month and you're eliminated.
>Progress updates are ok but they will be policed like other submissions
>please wait until page 9 to start a new thread or the mods will whoop yah.
>have fun.
Entry into the fifth challenge is open until Friday at 23:59:59 GMT. People who join after then will be entered into the less awesome Last Artist Standing #6
>tribunals and challenges just around the corner
Step up your games low-efforters, your day of reckoning is soon
>>2390238
only the neets will get to judge. oh man..
>>2390238
If I posted the only thing I've drawn today I'd probably get a low effort warning. I really tried but I had such a shit day I can't even fucking remember how to draw.
>>2390258
draw anything, draw a full page of boxes
>>2390261
I did try drawing some simple shit and it turned out horrible so I'm just gonna rest and recover for now.
>>2390265
if your simple stuff turned out horrible then keep practicing the simple stuff.
>tfw flunked a entry level math class last semester and took a lower level one this semester
>tfw midterm tomorrow but I haven't drawn yet
>haven't studied either
w-what do I do guys?
>>2390286
Go to /adv/ and stop blogging.
>>2390286
Survival of the NEETest.
>>2390286
You're dead jon snow
>>2390281
I don't need to practice simple stuff, I need to do advanced stuff and since I couldn't even do something simple that's a sign I need to recoup. Sometimes that happens.
>>2390286
I can give you some help with math homework sometime later if you tell me what sort of topic you're working on.
Keyword here is help; I'm not fucking doing your homework for you.
>>2390308
lol I appreciate you going out of your way to help me but I think I can handle it. It's pretty low level so it shouldn't be too difficult to learn, just have to put in the time. Thanks though, feels good to know that there are people like you on this board.
>>2390333
your triggered hard aren't you, posting this in every thread, maybe you should be the one going to tumblr
>tfw LAS has helped me be not shit enough to post my art on other boards without being called shit
thanks guise
>>2390286
Drop out of school or stop doing art. Take fucking charge of your life. Dabblers who complain are fucking annoying.
cocks beneath my chin
Been 2 hours mates
>>2390468
Shutup I'm sleeping.
zzzz
I had a nightmare about being put on tribunal today.
okay so what do you take the most out of this experience, besides drawing erryday?
I like when good artist have bad days or just submit sketches, its far more representative of their level then when you follow someone for example on tumbler and only see the best of their work.
Hoy can I enter this now? I'm too lazy to draw every day without peer pression... I'm in need of tish
>>2390514
Absolutely, newcomers can always enter any time they want.
>>2390513
i was already drawing every day before this so what i'm taking away from it is being able to see other people's studies. like you said good artists only ever post their best so it's cool to see everyone's failures
>>2390519
I would really like to have the possibility to ask some artists about some books/tutorials/tips.
That would be a good feature, like some AMA for the top artists.
>>2390523
Just need the option to make info fields and descriptions on profiles, so if someone wants to be contacted they can make their email/skype whatever public and link some of their websites and stuff, while those that don't wish to be contacted can just keep it empty.
>>2390475
but anon, the nightmare hasn't even begun
>>2390549
baki son of ogre, i think this is when pickle hits jack after he rips his face of.
waxnova where the fuck did you come from
>Loomis drawing on lined paper.
I want to rejoin again but I know I'll be out in two weeks or more so it feels pointless.
I just don't care about drawing on Sundays, I can't lie, I always have too much other shit to do.
How do you guys deal with joining when you know you;ll be out almost immediately?
>>2390721
No reason to skip a day aside from being hospitalized and in a coma.
larrex, you've been drawing on this mouse for a while now, what exactly are you even working on by now?
>>2390721
>How do you guys deal with joining when you know you;ll be out almost immediately?
But I'll be in this forever, anon
>>2390724
>not having a friend put a pencil in your hand as your in coma.
>and uploading your comatose scribbles to stay in the game.
Only death will stop me.
>>2390735
the tribunal would eat you at that point.
>>2390735
Why would dead be any different with that logic? Have a friend put a pencil in your hand and upload your dead scribbles.
>>2390724
> skips all the week.
> Was having fun on vacation.
> Eliminated
I don't care to come back. I think I developed an habit, now I'm drawing more and it's amazing. I want to improve, I think I'll not give up anymore.
So, thanks Lava. :)
>>2390739
>I think I'll not give up anymore.
Enjoy your 1 or 2 weeks tops until you start skipping a day here and there, and then eventually stopping for good once again.
>>2390738
kek
>>2390741
I drew everyday. But in another country and without internet to post, it's complicated to continue in the contest.
>>2390736
>>2390738
>Friend will be guiding my hand
>But not too much
>So it looks like I'm doing basic exercises
>You will never be aware of me being in coma
>MFW when out of coma but still in the game thanks to friend
>>2390723
>why don't you just i dunno draw on sunday?
Working part-time and studying a masters, I know there are people here that probably have even less time and draw more but when Sunday swings around I just run out of fucks. I keep trying to change that but the eliminations prove it's a worthless battle.
I love LAS and I'm getting really attached to the submissions of certain participants but I just lose every two weeks without fail.
>>2390733
Prove it to us then
>>2390721
If your sunday really is fully occupied by some other project and every minute spent elsewhere could cost you, step back. Take a break from drawing. Get you're shit finished. We'll see you in 3 months when you can commit to drawing.
Now, if you could sacrifice a tv show or some video game time but don't want to, re-evaluate the role of art in your life.
>>2390753
Draw more on saturday, split it up and submit half of it just as LAS rolls over into sunday. It's cheating the system, but it's a bad system so who gives a shit.
>>2390750
how long til they abandon your loomis studies and start using your hand to jerk it
>>2390756
>bad system
what should we do, require people to post a video of them drawing with that day's newspaper?
>>2390756
Why stay in the contest faking posts?
I can draw a lot in one day and skip one week or more. I can cheat the system but, I'll be cheating my progress. Why to stay in LAS this way?
>>2390764
This, you can still watch the submissions and visit the threads if you enjoy the community part of it.
Why cheat.
>>2390764
Not him, but it's not cheating if you draw every day going by the GMT time zone. 00:00 GMT is 7p here, so I'd be perfectly justified drawing Saturday from 6:30p to 7p, submitting that, then continuing for more time in order to join Team Forza at 7:30p. In theory I wouldn't have to draw again until Monday at 6:30p, skipping my Sunday entirely. The end result is still drawing for at least half an hour per 24 hour cycle (in GMT) even if the cycle isn't aligned with your local timezone or your personal sleep schedule.
>>2390748
Why?
JUST DRAW
>>2390780
Because there is no vacation mode and LAS needs internet connection
>>2390784
NO FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
>>2390513
>I like when good artist have bad days or just submit sketches
T-that's about me isn't it anon
>>2390793
>imblying you're good
your art is worthless and so are you
>>2390793
you should be having bad days if you're working on weaknesses.
>>2390796
dare you to report me :^)
>>2390797
Yeah that's my thinking too, thanks anon. Just feels a bit weird because I've barely posted any of my work for a couple years now, not even good things, and now I'm posting stuff every day whether it goes well or not.
>>2390806
Don't worry I report every submission every day, including my own.
>>2390811
What exactly will experience/levels entail? It seems like it'll make it too complicated and/or game-ish. I think badges are enough, and you can already see someone's streak. I feel like this will just turn into levelfagging.
>>2390843
you can finally un-hide your power level, senpai-san-chan-sempai-sama-aho
>>2390843
It'll be to reward the people who participate in the tribunal and the competitions and stuff
>>2390862
Why isn't it just for drawing everyday?
>>2390868
That's the participation stat
>>2390873
And the streak too I guess. It's mainly a way to give an incentive for people to help moderate the site so I can spend more time drawing and less time trying to decide if someone put enough time into their post
>genuinely hope to get disqualified via Tribunal so the nightmare can finally end
It feels like i'm trapped in an unhappy relationship, but too codependent to put an end to it
>>2390885
Reported ;^)
>>2390885
Rover?
>>2390902
Roverted? ;^)
>>2390811
hey lava are reports anonymous? do you know who is reporting?
>>2390904
He knows, do we know? I don't know. You know?
>>2390904
Yeah, it needs to record who made the report otherwise you'd be able to report the same submission multiple times. On my side I only show the submitter's user id not their name so it's unlikely that I'll know who made the report unless it's like 7
>>2390909
so my tumblr is not showing the pictures when i click on the links..a'm i the only one?
>>2390909
poor 7
>>2390914
yeah I think tumblr is having issues, you can still access the images by directly linking to them, right click and get the image url then change the end of the url from _500.jpg to _1280.jpg
>>2390943
fuck i missed the new thread
>>2390948
baka desu senpai
Stella please be my imouto.
>>2390970
n-no
I did not expect this many violent black dudes in Stockholm.
I was yelled twice and they are fucking scary.
;_;
My creativity is so dead why the fuck am I unable to come up with a simple idea to draw jesus christ
>>2390976
quit trying to solicit them for gay sex.
>>2390978
Draw an octopus wearing a tophat
>>2390976
RIP anon
That feel when Lava gets banned by the tribunal and closes the site.
cathode that's some crazy stuff, I like it.
>>2390987
Don't worry I'll get my act together before the tribunal goes live
>That feel when I've managed to increase my drawing from 0 hours a day to 7 hours a day even when working full time job.
I can probably increase this amount. Just need to draw in the morning and do it straight away when I come home.
>>2390976
Dont you love diversity?
>>2391000
burnout imminent
Guys, when did drawing click for you? What made it click? When did you feel "oh damn I'm having fun here creating the stuff I wanted to do, it's all going smoothly wow I could draw all day"?
I keep studying and drawing but I still don't feel as comfortable as I'd like it to be. If I compare to when I'd draw as a kid, back then I had fun and it never felt stressful.
Was it a specific book, study program, etc? Or did you wake up one day with a new fresh and exciting outlook all of a sudden? I feel like, while fundamentals and all that stuff matter a lot, in the end my current perspective and outlook on art matter as much if not more.
>>2391000
how did you manage this? I'm trying to do something similar
>>2391000
you need to eat and sleep too anon
>>2391038
It's off topic and nothing to do with art or doing art. And it reads exactly like a pol thread, seriously. Go post that exact shit on pol and see how many people respond to it.
>>2391038
make a blog if you want to blog about your life.
>>2391004
I went to class one day and said "lemme draw a picture instead of learning about body part shapes " and I could actually sorta depict what I was trying to
If you're not finding it fun or whatever, try to apply what you've been studying in a picture or whatever you're aiming to use your art for. I think seeing your work in a complete or even semi complete manner will make you feel better or at least let you see what you're currently capable of. Also lets you grasp the bigger picture of what you're studying.
>>2391004
If it makes you feel any better, I struggle with this everyday. I keep wondering why it seems like I'm forcing drawing so much, instead of having fun with it, like you say, like when I was a kid. The other day I managed to have a bit of fun drawing from imagination, i just got in bed with my sketchbook and drew stuff. The next morning I was back at the struggle. I have no idea why this happens, but it's the reason why drawing is so hard for me right now, if I could sit down and have fun drawing my ideas, I'm pretty sure I would be able to quit any other form of entertainment, make it professionally and use all the time I have on this earth to draw as much as I can, but alas, it doesn't seem to work that way for now. I don't know anon, just keep drawing, build a habit, try to draw from imagination everyday, hopefully it clicks for you and me aswell.
Stella!
>>2391071
what?
>>2391077
>steela
I heard Rover and Stella were a couple IRL, is it true?
>>2391071
>>2391096
go shit up another thread
>>2391096
Spreading rumors won't make them quit
STELLAHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGG
>>2391109
stop right there autist scum
>>2391111
DON'T KILL ME WITH THOSE QUADS I JUST WANT TO COME INSIDE STELLA PLEASE
>>2390976
I'm sure you were asking for it.
>>2391115
how about you don't police me policing you, you double nigger
>>2391004
>Guys, when did drawing click for you? What made it click? When did you feel "oh damn I'm having fun here creating the stuff I wanted to do, it's all going smoothly wow I could draw all day"?
I've only just started feeling like this recently, and I started a year and a half ago. I wouldn't say that it all "clicks", but things really are starting to come together. I don't hate everything I draw anymore. It's an exciting feeling.
The main thing is that I don't feel lost anymore. I know how to learn now, and am more aware of what I need to improve on and what's necessary for me to do that. I can say that I'm now confident enough to draw pretty much anything.
>If I compare to when I'd draw as a kid, back then I had fun and it never felt stressful.
That's because you weren't seriously trying to git gud. Now it's more of a job. Also kids get inspired super easily.
>Was it a specific book, study program, etc? Or did you wake up one day with a new fresh and exciting outlook all of a sudden?
For me it was pretty much pure mileage improving my skill and building confidence over time. That and I'm now determined to become a comic artist so I'm working hard to reach that goal.
Make sure to just sketch shit for fun occasionally where you don't stress out about the quality. Come up with some characters and stories for fun. Remember why you love art in the first place. Look at work from your fave artists, watch movies, read books, listen to music, or go outside, whatever. Be inspired like you were as a kid.
>>2391092
Np amigo. I sincerely hope you don't get raped.
time to start my drawing :)
rise and shine, my fellow 23:30
so now not only do we have literal dumblrs but also at least one brony
is that the new low after all those forced memes, have we even reached it yet?
>>2391175
that brony guy has been at it for a while now tho
5 eliminated, 2 tokens used
>>2391178
I really only noticed it the past 2-3 days
>>2391175
Can you point out some dumblr art? Genuinely curious here.
Only 85 left? Looks like I'll be the LAS sooner than I thought.
>>2391179
>Still 100 in week 2
>>2391182
the guy with the steven jewniverse drawings, for example
I don't namedrop, no need to give them any credit here
>>2391179
big submission, lava
>>2391184
I think it's been 85 in #1 for a few days, must've been losing them from other challenges
>>2391193
Yup. The non-1s just don't have the same determination.
>>2391190
i need to win an argument with an anon. real improvement in 1 month
Dont think you can run away from me by posting on the last hours horse fuckers i know there two of you here ENJOY WHATS BEEN WROUGHT RAT
>>2390997
>>2391208
You make me proud anon.
>tfw my submission for today is absolutelyshit but I'm too tired to do a new one
So how many week ones will make it to 6 months here? I'm betting on gave and rover since he varely does anything.
>>2391209
its actually a squid. so, fuck you anon
>>2391212
I'm betting at least 25
I really like your composition, Sorensen.
>>2391187
>the guy
That is almost certainly a female.
>>2391221
not on this cancer ridden website
>>2391224
I'll never understand ignorant people like you.
>>2391211
Don't worry, let yourself relax if you need to. I was feeling that way yesterday so I took a break, played some vidya for once, watched some youtube and shit. Today I came back at it feeling way better and was much happier with my submission. Nothing wrong with taking a little me time.
>>2391190
some of the stuff on the right is cool.
>>2391179
One of those tokens was mine and I'm getting it back in 30 days. And keeping it.
Yo, Almonde, you're getting better.
>>2391238
8 more days for mine. never again
>>2391216
The 25 who post every day huh. Hope your math wobt let you down
>>2391238
another half a month or something for mine
>>2391221
Thanks, but I basically just stole this composition. I planned on using the same composition with different subject matter and make it a portfolio piece, but at this point it's nothing more than a study thing.
If you've gotten eliminated or lost a token in the first month just give up now. You're not gonna make it.
>>2391257
this desu baka senpai
>>2391257
If you must know anon I lost my token for a very valid reason!
>>2391262
And I guess you won't make it for a very valid reason too.
jmgn how long does it take you to complete a picture? Looks like a lot of work for LAS.
>>2391264
like having a life, i bet
>>2391268
If art isn't your life then you might as well drop out now.
>>2391272
I lost my token because I had to stay late at work. In 2 weeks I will be starting a new job that has a lot more down time and more regular hours so I can do way more drawing. I'm in it for the long haul
>>2391283
wouldnt have happened if you were team forza
>>2391267
oh its not 'for' LAS Its my normal job I just post it to LAS when im done. Probably takes 3 hours to render something.
>>2391291
What's your normal job? Just commissions? are commissions enough for you to live off of?
>>2390750
This gif gets me wet everytime.
>>2391314
gabe's commissions are realistically priced and he gets a lot of buyers. at the rate he's able to pump them out, it's not hard to believe that he could live off of what he draws, though i'm not sure how much free time he has
>>2391351
who the fuck is Gabe?
>>2391360
it's what the g in jmgn stands for.
How do you check tokens? I need to know how much this submission error bullshit has screwed me over.
>>2391240
Thanks, anon. I felt like I've been stagnating so that means a lot.
>>2391364
Wtf j,m, and n stands for?
>>2391371
if youre mssing your token youll see this
>>2391378
just me gabe newell
>>2391379
Thank you. I needed to submit two yesterday which I did, but apparently only one of them made it through even though it said I was saved.
Now it's making me submit two again, and I'm still not quite sure what's going on here, but whatever I guess.
>MFW i click jmgn's submission every time out of curiosity
>why cuthulu man, is nothing sacred
>>2391400
he had a better cuthulu one earlier this month.
>>2391400
>check out his thick big tittied woman picture yesterday
>decide to finally check out his gallery
>remember I'm straight and not a furry
>>2391408
>remember I'm not a furry
>remember
if there was a time you knew not that you weren't it means you were, closet furfag
is JMGN jewish?
00000000000 has been kicking ass for weeks now and I've never seen him mentioned here..but this is /ic/
>>2391425
I like his stuff, I just forget how many 0s there are in his username.
>>2391425
They've been posting in the alt. style and animation threads. Their sense of blocking and color is terrific.
Also:
>tfw forgetting you had some tabs of gravure open and you call over a parent to come and check out a video of a cat
It wasn't explicit or anything but, yikes.
>>2391447
>calling over a parent for a cat video
a-anon, this website might be too dangerous for your underaged mind!
What do we call the topic challenges? I like Last Artist Standing but Topic Challenge sounds dumb
>>2391502
daily topic?
>>2391502
howabout daily faggoty topic I will never contribute to?
>>2391502
> Creative Clash
> Genre Brawl
> Theme Battle
> Daily Task
> Topicombat
> Unstoppable
> Indomitable
> Undeterred
> Bravery
> Valor
> True Grit
> Heroic Mode
> Courage Mode
> Fearless Artist
> Adaptive Artist
> Mission of the Day
> Challenge of the Day
>>2391531
You're American aren't you.
>>2391535
Canadian-Chinese.
howabot Topic-o-the-day-o
>>2391502
the Post Ur Art Challenge
how about do my homework for me challenge?
>>2391502
Weekly challenge or daily challenge. Keep it simple.
>>2391563
I wish my uni assignments were to draw sonic over 100 times.
>>2391531
Adaptive Artist challenge? that sounds kind of passive aggressive lol.
>>2391583
I was thinking more along the lines of versatile. Does that word have different connotations among artists?
>>2391584
I like it, it spits in the face of Artists who are comfort zoning, like myself.
does this mean the topic challenges will be implemented today?
The No Comfort-zoning challenge.
>>2391602
No Man's Land
Fog of War
Hey Lava, TekkyJ here, where I try to submit my work for the day I get this weird error
Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 12000 bytes) in /home/lavaflake/public_html/draw/includes/functions.php on line 95
>>2391610
oh nevermind
>>2391599
I don't think it'll be ready for tomorrow. Between making that active challenge thing last night and spending all day drawing I'm behind schedule. I want to have it ready before Friday so the challenges are synced up so I'm pushing for that at the very worst
>>2391425
>>2391435
>>2391447
thanks family. i have been mentioned in these threads once before, and i had a nice conversation about sheep with someone afterwards. i'm sure all of your art is also wonderful!! also there are 8 zeroes.
Lava, where can I find that thing you posted last thread with the squares on the days people have or haven't posted on? I've looked for it on the site and can't find it, idk if I'm being dumb or if it's not linked on the main page yet.
>>2391681
http://lavaflake.com/draw/active.php
^ part of the reason why challenges aren't ready
>>2391681
http://lavaflake.com/draw/active.php
>>2391697
This is just a prototype so it'll some day look a lot better but I changed it to red, hope that helps
>mmrgl lost a token
you bastard don't you die on me
>>2390730
Yeah, sorry, initially i wanted it to be just a quick sketch (like poon and anon313 do), but it just dragged on and on. Yesterday i rendered the bow on the hat, changed the hind leg of the rat from rough brush stroke to a proper leg with reflected light and rendered the tree limb some more, adding glowing moss and color variety in shadows (saturated purples and blues).
Thanks for pointing out though, i'll do my best to be much faster with the next piece and not be distracted by small details.
>>2390721
Just wake up 30 minutes earlier and do some sketches and studies if you absolutely don't have the time throughout the day. You will even feel better for accomplishing something before the day even started.
>>2391000
Anon, you're gonna make it. I've increased my time form 30 minutes to 4 hours so far, without a job. Time to step my game up.
>>2391004
I feel like i'm on a verge of significant revelation in drawing, something to do with visualizing and thinking in 3d. Also, like other anons said, drawing everyday from imagination helps a ton (in my opinion it's a good idea to draw without any refs for ~1h, it's easier to see your weak points this way).
Hmm, it looks like I'll have the topics ready for tomorrow but I won't have the challenges to go along with it. The site will provide a topic and you'll be able to vote for the next day's topic but it'll take a couple more days to get the new submission system working with the topic challenge.
So you'll be able to use and vote for new topics but they won't count towards anything, at least not right away. It'll take me a couple more days to get the new submission system rolled out. After that it's the tribunal and then the fun stuff like leaderboards, graphs for the challenges, stats on the user pages, etc
>>2391768
I love to lose myself in details, which eats all my time and I end up with a trash piece with a little polished part somewhere where nobody will look at anyway
>>2391785
Did you come up with a name for the topic challenges?
Does anyone follow a study schedule? Trying to follow one due to working full time in a stressful job. I'm shit but been doing daily studies.
I want to report all the gay shit that's being submitted but I won't stoop that low
I think you should make the weekly challenges study based
Nobody's gonna improve if all they draw is photo realistic portraits all day
>>2391841
What falls under the gay category according to your standards?
How many hours a day do you guys study? Also curious about your schedule Lava, you've been making some nice gains.
joostk, godofmoxie, and magicoreo
RIP you'll be missed
>>2391884
Actual gay stuff?
>>2391722
How can you tell? I don't even know my stats or my current streak
>>2391936
oreo still posts but it says hes inactive
>>2391984
check for gaps on http://lavaflake.com/draw/active.php
>>2391841
Yeah can we have a way to filter out all the fag artwork?
>>2392094
>censoring
>tfw not even in the top 100
I thought being week 1 meant i'm masterrace..
>>2391798
No not yet
>>2391888
I've been all over the place with anywhere from 30 minutes to 14 hour days. I've probably average around 5-6. I just changed my schedule the other day to a much heavier workload so I'll see how that goes
>>2392094
The only option that exists right now is to follow the people you like and split it so they're at the top, Maybe some day there'll be a way to block/ignore/hide people
>>2392103
I don't think he means censoring, but more like a tag, much like nsfw that you can turn on/off
>>2392178
A gay tag? lol.
>>2392105
I thinks it's in order you regiestered, so you're the 100 something user
>>2392094
This doesn't make sense. The only potentially "gay" artwork is what Jmgn and Saucy are doing, and they're using the nsfw thumbnails and if they don't you can report that. I can't imagine there's that much more implied gayness in any of the rest of the submissions that you need a tag to filter it out. If you're looking at people's anatomy studies and you find that gay then you have some issues.
>>2392105
Only the last 10 people left in week 1 are masterrace
Send help, i think my calling might be music and not art.
>>2390228
what is this autism and can i still start now?
>>2392225
Yes and yes. just wait two days after your first upload.
>>2392105
are part of the 25 who post everyday? then you good, if not? you're average.
>>2391419
he looks more mexican than jewish
>>2392224
did you just pirate fruity loops and finish the first youtube tutorial?
>>2392225
yeah you can join any tmie
>>2392272
No, i often have dreams where if i where to remember the music and be able to play it. id be a millionaire.
>>2392281
Now I think about it, I don't think my dreams ever have sound, perculiar.
>>2392284
i have the feeling that if i master an instrument, id be more inclined to remember the music and be able to bring it out.
>>2391004
Speaking from experience. With your current mindset you're not too far from giving up.
Change angles
>>2392094
>So insecure that he needs to filter eveything that triggers him
I want tumblr to leave.
>>2392211
The active list page? Its in the order of submissions from the very first day.
>>2392305
Nah I just don't like Artists forcing themselves into a niche for money, I doubt anybody here is even gay.
>>2392290
Give it a go, see what you like more.
No reason you can't do both, and there's no shame in being a hobbyist.
>>2392363
>Nah I just don't like Artists forcing themselves into a niche for money, I doubt anybody here is even gay.
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>And I also don't like peepees! They are icky and yucky!
>>2391684
what do the white numbers mean?
