So I've started this new body of work. What do you think any critique/input would be really helpful.
Title of first one "A Train Going East"
"The Confused Academic"
"Stranded On Cripple Creak"
"Trailer Park Maintenance with a Masters"
"Old Bachelors Dead Dog"
"Couple Leaving Tomatoes For a Hobo"
I'mma give it to you straight - its pretty bad. Poorly photoshopped reaction faces with little to no context, very little technical skill or conception involved. I'm not really interested in the body of work and I don't know what you're trying to convey.
>>2373464
I guess it's sort of like lyrical music. Realism and photos tell specific stories like a poem does. Reaction images are just mood with no context like an instrumental. You put the two together and you can say something more subtle or more specific.
>>2373464
Also why draw/shade when you can just use photos to do all the work for you? It would take too much work to set up photo shoots for these scenes and it's kind of pointless to do it all traditional in 2015 if were talking the contemporary art world
Come on guys throw something at me
Heres work from when I was a freshman in college painted from life. I'm working intentionally loose.
>>2373494
you suck stop being lazy
>>2373498
Thanks for the helpful crit
>>2373502
like are you seeing what your making? are you seeing this?
>>2373463
are you looking at this thing?
>>2373460
what the fuck is wrong with you why aren't you practicing things that will make you better at artwork instead of half assing a figure and then photoshopping some faces you idiot stop posting these nobody likes them do you want to make a living at this or not
>>2373457
Top kek
>>2373512
Traditional very realistic drawing/painting isn't going to be part of the next art movement, there's no question. That became culturally irrelevant before the turn of the 20th century. It's a commercial niche, insignificant like graphic design in this day in age. Okay so that's settled.
I don't know what will come next but I'm making attempts. I see all this digital art, it's always trying to be extremely refined, perfection. It doesn't have to be like that, it can be loose, expressive, spontaneous. Like expressionism. My drawings are any worse than matisse or picasso or cezanne but I'm sure you hate them also.
>>2373525
you quite literally have no idea what you are talking about. who knows more about the next art movement? you or me?
Nuke this thread from orbit.
It's the only way to be sure.
>>2373542
No idea, I don't know you. But I do know that if you want to look at what the next art movement is going to be look at the society. The really significant art follows the culture every time historically.
Okay so digital is going to be the medium because that's 95% of the 2D images we see today. Oil on canvas is archaic, insignificant. Printmaking and drawing as well.
The other things are more of a guess. I'm using reaction images because they are a vastly popular and an extremely practical form of communication. They're culturally relevant.
I'm also trying to distance myself from the cool cerebral kind of thinking of the conceptual art institution because it seems boring. It's been 100 years since duchamp, it's time to move on. Plus the general population hates it which means they feel no connection to it which means it isn't very culturally significant. The opposite of cerebral art is expressionism which is what I'm doing now.
I'm working loose because I want to create a lot of work quickly and because I'm tired of everyone thinking digital is just for commercial tight ass stuff.
>>2373555
that's nice. you seem like a really confused person. i drew these boobs on a tablet am i a famous artist now?
digital is retarded it's only good for commercial work stop pretending it's better than oil you clearly haven't spent as much time thinking about this as i have.
other people who post on here have no delusions of "digital is important" they just do it cause it looks nice. Stop pretending just because you have a speech prepared everytime you post some shitty digital piece that it makes it better than what people are drawing in the porn thread. you are a lazy, shitty, burnt out artist.
>>2373559
No vision and your art is childish. Digital breaks down boundaries, I can use photography, drawing anything 2D together seamlessly. In my case there are lots of seams because I don't care about making things look pristine right now, I'm fleshing out an idea. But you understand.
>>2373559
Also I don't have a "speech prepared" I just have a lot of practice thinking for myself.
>>2373555
>http://knowyourmeme.com/
>>2373568
I was interested in memes for a while but now I think they're boring. They're an alternative culture, not the "big show".
>>2373570
>boring
okay anon
>alternative culture
did you even visit the website you fucking retard.
>"big show"
Today's cultural zeitgeist is characterised by super massive communication, what do you think is more emblematic of that than memes, what bigger show is there than social media?
There are kids in Sudan that probably know more about what's relevant to the billions of folks connected to Twitter and Facebook than you do anon, so good luck being relevant to anyone but yourself.
>>2373575
This is a 11 foot by 8.5 foot charcoal drawing that I digitized and colored in photoshop. I did a body of work based on memes. Maybe I was being a little blunt, memes are culturally significant there's no doubt
I stopped because I was just getting annoyed because I can't really say anything I want to say with them.
Memes are about popular ideas. So they are closer to conceptual art which also deals with ideas and questions, not feelings. I guess I prefer reaction images because they aren't conceptual, they deal with feelings. That makes them fresher. But maybe I'm just biased because I prefer expression to philosophy at this point. Which wasn't always the case.
>>2373582
You're the ultimate turbo cunt. You're a twin turbo cunt.
>>2373583
Thanks for that enlightening perspective, I really think I learned something about myself I hadn't seen before.
>>2373582
your work is disgusting, retreading of pop art (b-but memes are different!!) with current technology is so fucking lame and unimaginative. Don't bother replying, I'm hiding this thread after this post.
>>2373584
despite your sarcasm, I'm sure you would have learned more by me calling you a twin turbo cunt than you could ever teach or comment on through your paintings to another, simply by the fact that you've never been called a twin turbo cunt, you insepid flea. Die.
>>2373585
I quit because it was too close to pop art, your critique is valid. I got rid of it. I've thrown out my entire body of work half a dozen times now. I'm not ashamed of it, you can't get anywhere if you don't have failure.
What I'm doing now isn't pop art tho, look at the OP.
>>2373585
Well I find anon's memetic art quite endearing and at least capably realized, also the fact is I'm smarter and better looking than you so my opinion has far more merit than yours.
oh hey it's this guy again. just stopping by to tell you you'll never make artwork as interesting as mine despite all your pouting and teen angst.
and you were never good at realism, just got ass pats from your parents cause you could draw from a photo. alright, peace!
>>2373593
Hey Brian! How was dinner tonight?
>>2373593
do you ever do works from imagination? Also who were you trying to react to?
ITT OP is trying to become the next merc_wip.
>>2373597
OP here
God yes please
>>2373598
Sounds hot
B Comfort in the house, bragging about his shit per usual.
>>2373612
b comfort?
>>2373582
I fucking hate this so much I want to hang it on my wall.
>>2375076
Since this got bumped I'm adding this. Not finished yet, the title is "Young Dying Mother". No reaction images yet, still working on making the main part look decent. Any critiques would be helpful, I'm having trouble making it look good
Personally I think any good work of art should have a dimension of humor in it. Austin Lee, for example, is a great painter but it's the humor that really does it. And Aphex Twin is one of the most innovative musicians and the guy has lots of humor in his work. Old YTP vids and Troma movies are some of the best works I've seen, not joking here.
The problem with you is that you seem to think humor is a big no-no in the art game, you take every bit of fun out of it when you explain your work with this dry, art-school-dropout anxiety and almost hatred towards the art world? You say that realistic painting isn't gonna be the next big thing? Realistic painting is still a part of the art scene, and if you keep working on it you might find a unique angle to it that WILL become the next big thing. But more importantly, stop focusing on if your artwork is hipp or not and focus instead on doing stuff you actually like doing. I'm really interested in post-internet art and I don't hate a lot of stuff. But I really detest your stuff. I'm sorry to be this hard but I've written long paragraphs to you before and you just don't seem to ever listen. You seem to hate what you THINK the art world is like. But really, it's not. You don't have to over intellectualize everything you do. That's what an outsider might think, but if you actually went to some modern galleries and talked to some modern artists, you'd realize that this is not the case. Not at all. You need some poetry in your work. Vagueness, intuition. Stop caring what people think about your art, and make art for your own sake instead.
One of my first paintings. Done completely with palette knife. Anyone here who has found themselves more interested in the knives than brushes?
>>2373457
It's shit.
is this thread a joke? I don't get it
Quit trying to force shit. You're making art for the wrong reasons.
>>2375080
To be frank, I think your stuff looks better without the reaction images. I kind of like what you're able to put on the picture without all that fancy-schmancy photoshop crap. I actually would probably prefer Couple Leaving Tomatoes without it, and I would even venture to say that it would be neat if it were on my wall, too.
On the other hand, I can't help but feel that the ridiculous idea to put memes on at least decently-made artworks for the sake of social commentary is both an absurd and moronic notion, and I can't help but feel this all might be a big trolling. If it is, please stop.
>>2375267
> put memes on at least decently-made artworks for the sake of social commentary
The main reason is to say something more than I can with just realism. Realism is like Voyeurism, it leaves everything to the imagination. It's hard to say more complex things. Reaction images are an extra tool so I can tell more literal, and complex stories. In high school I used surrealism as a way to tell more complex stories. Like visual metaphors (the image attached). But that's too fantasy, the viewer can't connect with it the way they can a real scene. So reaction images are my current solution.
Also I want to personally contribute something to the art world. If I'm just doing what's been done forever it's boring to me. I want to be creative, find new things I haven't seen before.
Another reason is I want to make work that feels like where I come from. Culturally I identify with the work I'm doing now more than I do with plain realism. Realism is too European. There's too much traditional baggage that is alien to me.
>>2375931
i was doing exactly what you are doing now two years ago and i gave up on it because cohesive illustrations are better than slapping a bunch of images together and having the viewer find out the punchline.
that being said, my images actually made sense unlike yours. and on top of that, making a cohesive illustration out of disparate parts ( coming up with poses, finding compositions, having light sources that make sense for the tableau) is way harder than "here's 3 images and a background." like i was doing for pic related.
so please. fuck off or do something else.
>>2375944
Brian dude you responded to that literally 5 minutes after I did, do you literally sit around on this forum all day? I mean I hop in here every 30 days or so for an evening and you've been here posting constantly every single time. It's not healthy man.
Also your thing there isn't trying to do what mine are. I'm using facial expressions to convey an emotion on top of a scene. You just put three random images together.
Your work is about the nonsensical, randomness. It's dada intentionally about nothing and confrontational because of it.
My work is expressionist, I'm trying to communicate the feeling of a scene and create a narrative about real life.
Dada and expressionism are basically opposites man.
>>2373463
>>2373462
>>2373460
>>2373459
>>2373458
>>2373457
So did you intentionally choose those shallow cheap kitsch subject matters and put reaction images on top of them to make fun of the whole thing or is this actually genuine? 10/10 if the first one, if it's the latter then lol what the fuck are you doing
>>2375959
They are all true stories with the exception of the people in the boat. When did anything meaningful about real life become kitsch?
My father had a degree in architecture and started a construction business. The business failed during the housing market crash, he's been a maintenance man at trailer parks and apartment complexes for the past 8 years or so. How's that kitsch, that's real life man.
>>2375964
I don't like sympathy-whoring
>>2375959
Recognize this guy? He's the inspiration for this piece >>2373462
He was one of my professors, I saw him at this cafe at like 2 am one night. We have a couple drinks with his friend and then he invites me to his apartment. Were smoking and listening to fucking good music, tom waits, billy holiday. And he's talking about his dog of 16 years and he's fucking crushed. His mothers gone and his father is in the hospital dying. He's 60 and a bachelor. That's not kitsch, that's reality.
>>2375968
Not sympathy, empathy. You see something and you connect with it and if you've had a similar experience it speaks for you. Go listen to Bob dylan.
>>2375959
this is the pic I mean to post here>>2375971
>>2375971
There are many realities, some of them are kitsch. I think all of you is kitsch, so all your realities are kitsch as well. It's pointless emotionally narrow tearjerking. Sorry dude, but just because something is sad doesn't mean it's worth depicting.
>>2375971
and i haven't had an orgasm in over 2 years cry me a fucking river you pussy. my work has more meaning than anything you've ever created. "Meaning" doesn't mean "your memories" cause guess what I don't have the same memories as you. I can't sympathize with your past and your sob stories because to me they're just mediocre drawings of mundane situations with fucking memes pasted all over them. They aren't even drawings of real memories, they're imagination. Stop pretending what you do is more impactful than the guy drawing knights and dragons in his spare time. Nobody care about your imagination.
If you really want to make something meaningful write a fucking story. Have a fucking moral. Make a fucking joke. There's nothing "dada" about what I'm doing. I am the opposite of nonsense and random because my work actually has written stories behind it.
Get the fuck off this image board until you come back with something that actually makes me feel something.
>>2375978
It's tragedy. It's meaningful sadness. Shakespeare is kitsch by that definition. Bob Dylan is kitsch, Marlon Brando, Rembrandt is Kitsch by your evaluation. All are huge figures in their field. What's the fucking problem? Do you only like things that reject any sort of meaning. Your probably like 90% of people in the current art institution, obsessed with meaninglessness, dada, nihilistic. That shit has nothing to do with the reality I'm living in.
>>2375982
Brian I wish I could just have one discussion without having to wade through your paragraphs. Your better than me, I'll never be as good as you, that's the reality. You are the best on this board by far, we all know it. I'm just tired of getting my ass handed to my by you, it just hurts my ego to much. Seriously your work is fucking great, no need to keep making me feel bad. Please leave this thread, your just making everyone jealous seriously.
>>2375982
i cannot even begin to properly explain how shit you are, and how far behind me conceptually every piece you make is. you are the least progressive artist with the most to say congratu-fucking-lations.
>>2373525
>makes shitty drawings and photoshops meme reactions into them
>compares his work to matisse, picasso and cezanne
Please be bait.
>>2375986
it's embarrassing how much you fucking suck. I'm not in competition with the other artists on this board because they aren't trying to write concepts, they are trying to get better at drawing from imagination. But you actually share a similar goal with me, it's just that you prematurely act confident in everything you do like it's the masterpiece your whole life has led up to. maybe if you had some fucking humility you could stop spending time explaining yourself to everyone, and more time making art that doesn't. need. fucking. explaining. you fuck. go away.
>>2375990
but i forgot you mastered realism decades ago. you're in your "meme period" now. at least i fucking still draw from life instead of stagnating because I think I've found the purpose of art. realism isn't going anywhere you god damned fucking retard
>>2375990
>it's embarrassing how much you fucking suck
likewise my friend
>>2375983
you're not rembrandt or shakespeare lol, you're some american hack shoddily drawing bums surrounded by reddit reaction images, if I wanted to see some social failure stewing in their own misery I can just walk over to the local drunkards and ask them to tell me about their pointless shithouse lives they willingly threw into the garbage
go make a whiteboy rap lamenting about the gay children in africa or something instead of embarassing yourself on 4chan
>>2375994
>you're some american hack shoddily drawing bums surrounded by reddit reaction images
Accurate description
>>2376011
It's like this, sometimes your work is shit and you need to throw everything away. Chances are I'll throw this idea away once I'm done with it, I've thrown away everything over and over again have a look if you want http://lurkersupreme1.deviantart.com/gallery/. But you also have to realize that innovate work usually isn't excepted right off the bat. Almost all innovated work of the 20th century got shitstormed at first. So you have to doubt all the time because you can't ever assume your there, and you probably won't know when your there anyway. But you also have to figure out why people don't like things and if they don't like it because of their institutional biases. I'm only 20, I've still got a little time. No time to fuck around tho.
>>2376011
I have zero interest in toiling away in obscurity, I'll do whatever it takes to get where I want to go. I'll throw shit away if it can't get me there. So now I'm not thinking "they just don't see my genius", I'm analyzing and pretty aggressively critiquing what I'm doing and trying to figure out if I should keep going or not. Sometimes being successful in the end requires doing things people don't like at first tho.
>>2376018
>I'm only 20, I've still got a little time. No time to fuck around tho.
and what do you think you're trying to get out of your artwork? what does the ending to all this look like, for you, personally? is it going to make you a better person or just rich and famous. cause you seem pretty intent on finding the last art movement. what meaning are you hoping to glean from this theoretical future work you make
>>2376029
I want to be a great person, art is my tool to get there. Greatness and a desire to prove everyone wrong, that someone from kansas can do it. Also to say fuck you to the conceptual art institution that I hate. Anger. Those are way stronger motivators than just loving arts. People who just love art make boring photorealistic portraits in photoshop or go to watercolor workshops at their local community center. They aren't angry. That's why I put in 13 hours in the studio yesterday. If I can give society great art in return it gives me respect, purpose.
>>2376037
>all this resentment and reactivity
never going to make it
>>2376037
seems selfish and short-sighted. so fame, revenge and fortune is your goal. good luck. a love for humanity and being humble about what you don't know will get you farther but if anger and pettiness is your motivation you do you.
>>2376043
thats how anyone makes it sir
>>2376046
only in the eyes of resentful and reactive people, aka plebs
>>2376045
Who says I don't have a love for humanity. Rembrandt was extremely ambitious but he had a huge love for humanity. He's who I'm a disciple of.
I did really enjoy your art until the meme things
>>2376052
It's okay work but it's not creative enough. I want to help contribute something.
>>2376052
The meme one is literally the only good one. You either have absolutely shit taste or are intentionally sabotaging op.
>>2376065
First one I've heard who like that thing on here. Problem with memes is that there isn't that much you can really say with them once you've done it a few times. Basically internet pop art statement and then it gets repetitive.
