How hard is it to actually get into the rule34/hentai/furry/porn industry? How many pics on average would you have to draw for free before getting any money from it? (Patreon, commissions etc.)
Would you make more with just "normal" fan art?
If you're getting into art because you want money you're barking up the wrong tree. It's a high risk, low reward scenario where artists right now that are better than you may ever be are struggling.
>>2349496
Even the furry/fetish ones? I'm sure that fine artists are struggling, but the ones who o it only for fanservice, drawing shitty anime characters etc.
Ok, let's see highest paying jobs in Upwork in Design & Creative section!
>5$/h Expert Level
>9.74$/h Expert Level
>$150 for 14 sketches
>$100 for logo design
Sure it's worth spending 5-10 years learning drawing and design.
>>2349487
>rule34/hentai/furry/porn industry
>industry
lmao
>>2349504
Though better than fine artists, even with online fan artists/furry/etc there's a big surplus.
>>2349487
It's easy to make money off porn. You don't even have to be a good artist to do this. Drawing furry OCs is where the easy cash is. Go make an account on FA and post some samples of your work and say you're open for commissions.
>>2349496
Art can be high risk, high reward. The problem with most artists, /ic/ specially, is they are so wrapped up in technical skill half of them are creatively bankrupt as fuck and can't form a compelling story or characters for shit. Technical skill is only half the battle. So they end up resorting to fanart/porn or just being another cog in the machine for some random game or animation studio. The latter is more helpful than the former though since you're actually getting industry experience and can make meaningful connections that way.
>>2349487
isnt hard, u can easy make 50 USD in a week just from the start, just open a tumblr, spam your shit and put a "commission" advice when you hit 100 followers. slow but seucre u gonna get money like a whore.
>>2349529
To be fair there is an "industry" for porn and hentai.
Honestly though just draw what you like, if other people like it they'll find it and pay you for it.
If you don't enjoy drawing it you're in for a horrible life.
>>2349558
make that 500$. if you have some foundation and business savy you can be making 500$ within a couple of months. from there you can scale in many different ways.
but in order to scale beyond, say 900$ month, you'll still have to work really hard and have quite a bit of business skills to pull it off.
personally i still find it more rewarding than any other career, but the high volatility of making a living with this should definitely make it unattractive on paper.
my advice would be: forget about art. if you want to make money there's thousand other ways that are much more lucrative, safe, and easy.
>>2349565
The closest thing you've got to an industry in drawn porn is the hentai industry over in Japan. There is no real industry for drawn porn in the west.
>>2349487
Depends on the quality of your art. If you're decent and effective it won't be to hard to earn a bit of extra pocket money, particularly within the furry and rule 34 crowd. But if you intend to make a living of it it's another matter.
>>2349576
There's a porn industry, not a drawn one exactly, but there is an industry.
I suppose they need people for their graphic designs as well.
OP
>>2349565
The thing is, I would love to do only fine-ish art (Sargent, digital like Mullins, Jones etc.) but the competition is too big, so it'll be a hard time live off of it.
>>2349553
Why are furries so rich?
>>2349582
Because when you're successful you're allowed to like whatever you want.
>>2349487
Are you already good? Not long.
If you're not already good, forever.
>>2349582
good jobs and little to no social life
>>2349611
furries
>good jobs
>no social life
artists
>garbage jobs
>no social life
and yet we laugh at furries. lol. just lol.
>>2349618
>artists
>garbage jobs
>no social life
This only applies to online fan-artists and porn artists.
>>2349611
I dunno about good jobs, probably more just less discretion when spending money.
>>2349634
yeah yeah, i'm sure you are a concept artist making 80k like everyone else, right? no thanks i don't want your gumroad.
>>2349646
>implying
You don't need to be a concept artist to have a social life as an artist nimrod. It's just a lot of artists on the internet, specially the ones who do fanart and porn, basically draw for attention online because they get none offline aka no social life.
>>2349646
yeah I'm pretty sure the only work you can get while being an artist is doing concept art
>lol
I have a question that never seems to be addressed.
If I want to make my own hentai comics, how can I go about setting up a paysite or some way of monetizing it? I know it would be easy to just set up a site with ads but everyone and their mom uses adblock so I don't think that's the best option. So where do I even start?
>>2349881
tumblr with donations. be popular already. nobody will donate though because people are cheap cunts. eventually (after a really strong first 1-2 issues) you move into patreon and put that shit behind a paywall. this is where you start raking in the dosh, donations as well because people are retarded and will throw more money where they see money already being thrown at something. then you gradually lower the quality until it's total shit that you can pump out like hot pancakes, while your weekly (try switching it to daily overnight) patreon pledge keeps skyrocketing.
remember the golden rule of succeding at art: people are fucking idiots.
>>2349893
Still seems iffy to me. For one thing I know that if you list your patreon as 18+ you can't even select Paypal as an option for receiving the money. Secondly, you need look no further than a few boards here to see people filesharing the hell out of people's patreon porn, so there's a ton of revenue lost. There has to be a way, I mean what were people doing before patreon existed?
>>2349903
starving
>>2349903
>filesharing
share your own, log the ips, start suing the hell out of everyone who downloaded it.
>>2349911
Mm.
>>2349909
Seems excessive.
Alright thanks for the...talk, anons. I'll try to figure something out.
>>2349582
>>2349611
I was checking out the forums for one of the fur sites once and went to the Introduction board, found a guy who was a middle aged audio engineer or something (successful, stable job) and on his part time he said he was a lion, his wife and kids were his pride, and he was there to have fun on the furry site. Basically >>2349586
>>2349929
I have also come across a surprisingly large amount of unexpectedly adult and 'normal' furfags. Women too. It's super weird.
>>2349936
Hold the phone, you mean memes AREN'T reality?
>>2349936
That's because the large majority of any group are fairly normal, its just the vocal minority that ruins it for everyone.
Most furfags are pretty nice people, the louder ones can be obnoxious but they're usually not bad.
>>2349929
>>2349936
I'm not sure why it's so surprising. There are all these people in the world and the vast majority just live normal ass lives. Everywhere you go you see people working. Who do you think those people are? Not that everyone is a furry, but we know there are tons of people into furry shit, so it's only statistically logical that there's someone who's a furry that works in practically every profession you could think of, and there are a ton of jobs that we as artists probably never think about. Like being a land surveyor. There was a job opening for that in my town a couple months ago. It paid nearly $20 an hour and required nothing more than a high school diploma and ability to do some low level math. You could be a bank teller or nurse's assistant, there's all kinds of jobs that provide stable hours & pay. Have a roommate or other low cost living & you can easily have lots of disposable income. We just never think about this because we're so focused on art.
>>2349956
I-I hope you like the stuff I fap to
>>2349953
Would kill for a 20/h desk job that doesn't reqiure a degree. Where do I sign up ??
>>2349973
>Would kill for a 20/h desk job that doesn't reqiure a degree. Where do I sign up ??
It's not about signing up, it's about having family members in authority, so they can give you a job.
#nepotism
>>2349973
>land surveyor
>desk job
anon...
>>2349973
Just look around, man. I hear indeed.com is the new hotness for job searching. There are jobs that you'd never even fucking know existed, and that shit usually pays well because nobody's heard of that shit because nobody wants to do it.
>>2350223
Also yeah it definitely wasn't a desk job. If you're ever out somewhere and you see those dudes setting up those weird cameras on tripods but they look like a parking meter crossed with a traffic cone, that's the job. It's not exactly heavy lifting, but you would be driving all over the place setting up those cameras to measure the angles and topography of the land.
>>2350229
>driving
i really need to get on that driver's license thing
>>2350283
Yeah, that's partly why I didn't apply for it. I don't even know how to drive. I've never even started a car before and I'm almost 30 years old. It's pretty fuckin bad.
A lot of insurance sales jobs pay well.
>>2350294
>I've never even started a car before and I'm almost 30 years old. It's pretty fuckin bad.
Location plays a part though. You don't really need to learn to drive when you live in the city. Parking is always a pain in the ass and expensive as fuck. Taking public transit is more ideal. If you're living in the suburbs though, getting around is a pain if you don't have wheels.
>>2349504
Furries make the highest quality drawn porn among all groups.
I partialy got into it because you just don't find this quality in that quantity for say, regular bara / yaoi stuff.
>>2350298
Yeah where I live having a car would actually be way more of a burden than a help, the only reason I'd really need one is if I ended up taking a job that's insanely far away. So far every job I've ever had was fairly well accessible by public transit.
>>2350299
>Furries make the highest quality drawn porn among all groups.
In the west, maybe. Not in Japan.
>>2350303
I feel like even in Japan, yaoi has a much smaller pool of good artists. Apparently there's want for quality male featured porn, yet I go over to /y/ and see 2 or 3 patreon threads where people are shooting that cause in the foot.
>>2350299
>furries make the highest quality porn
I think you mean
>furries pay the most for porn and can afford good artists
most people aren't willing to shell out 5 grand for their porn.
and people into yaoi and bara typically go for a different style that isn't fully rendered and is closer to anime style in the literal anime sense of the word.
>>2350355
Eh, bl visual novels have a fully rendered style too.
It's simply the huge lack of good artists in the genre. Maybe furry has a somewhat lesser appeal to girls, so more focus goes into technical aspects, opposed to the generaly loose style of yaoi drawings.
>>2350369
>girls can't do technical work
are you stupid?
>bl vns
vns have notoriously bad art because they aren't meant to have pretty pictures, they're meant to tell a story. many of the best selling vns have crab hands.
plus, /ic/ and many other communities love to say how much money drawing for furries gets you, this gets people who are interested in getting better (prolonged period on an art forum) and want to make money selling art into the furry 'fandom' so to speak despite them not being a furry in the first place.
As always, its just about the money anon.
>>2350373
>can't
more like has less interest in
human beings can pretty much do anything if they want to skill-wise
>>2350375
more like lets not throw /r9k/ tier sexism into a thread at random when trying to prove how your shitty fetish is better because you waste 5k to get off.
There are a multitude of reasons why yaoi lacks good art, the artists being female is not one of those.
>>2350373
Every girl I see drawing are incredibly bad at technical work, even if they're good at what they do their technical side often lacks but they often make up for it with their imagination.
Girls don't have the dedication like males do to perfection a skill.
>>2350377
I don't think I can be r9k sexist against women being one myself. Also you imply technicality is better than gestural focus, I did not.
>>2349487
How good of an artist are you? If you want to break into this "industry" for the money then I suggest you don't. Its pretty hard to do especially since the ones dominating right now are Art School drop outs who are better than all their competition.
>>2350385
In any event the general quality goes:
gfur>straight hentai/western porn/sfur/>bara>yaoi/western gay stuff
whatever the cause is.
>>2349936
My college professor admitted to liking MLP during introductions of day 1. I immediately dropped the class.
>>2350308
Usually touhou gets all the high quality art from the japanese.
>>2349929
That's kind of adorable in a weird way.
>>2350379
Anecdotes mean nothing, there's plenty of very technically accomplished female artists.
Almost EVERY artist I know is weak in technical portions of their art.
>>2350385
Yes you can be. And instead of replying to valid points you're sticking to females. Ignore them. Yuri has lots of female artists and is similar to yaoi, yuri gets lots of great art.
>have professional job in design/illustration/animation
>make $55/hr,but because I'm a contractor, hours greatly fluctuate from 10-40 hours, and self-employment tax takes a huge chunk of what I earn
>get pretty good response for the softcore shit I draw for other boards, but am afraid it might hurt my career if I ever get found out
>when I try to get my SFW stuff noticed, it's only ever seen by my group of friends and a small handful of other people
Aside from furry shit, how easy is it to get supplemental income while staying somewhat anonymous? Like, getting noticed, handling transactions, that sort of thing.
>>2350420
how exactlu can it hurt you?
>>2350423
Let's say I apply for a new job because I want full employment. A cursory Google search would hurt me that way.
>>2350426
how would it hurt you?
>>2349881
back in the day (if you were well known), you'd do pre-orders for an unreleased comic (say like $5 each) that won't release till you make a certain amount. that's a bit too antiquated tho, and honestly lowers your total possible income off the comic quite a bit when compared to say something like patreon where you could get them to pay page by page as it's released. the trick to properly using patreon is not hiding anything of worth behind the paywall. full comic pages should be free, but the amount per update/month or whatever increases the amount of pages you put out in a certain amount of time
tl;dr
study the free 2 play/freemium model and apply that to how you release content aka "sure, it's free but if you pay money you can advance faster..."
>>2350393
Vilppu is a brony as well, he admitted that in one of his videos.
If you don't believe me, then do some research on google - he was working with the first generations of My Little Pony, and he ENJOYED it.
>>2350584
>Vilppu is a brony as well, he admitted that in one of his videos.
>If you don't believe me, then do some research on google - he was working with the first generations of My Little Pony, and he ENJOYED it.
NO.
>>2350584
Drawing mlp doesn't make you a Brony even if you enjoy it. I
>>2350584
1st gen MLP =/= current MLP.
Actual Bronies don't touch the old MLP stuff, and the older MLP community (mainly women) tend to hate Bronies with a passion.
>>2350299
furries might have the skill but their pictures are often boring and repetitive, i.e. MilesDF
>>2350584
>>2350591
>>2350605
this is probably the right thread to ask it
>want to draw fetish smut for money because people buy it
>don't want my name attached to it
I've got a Paypal, what the fuck are my options? I've done this before, it's easy money, but I've got my name attached to some things and would rather not have this stuff associated with those work, at least not immediately.
>>2349496
It's also incredibly hard to stay motivated. I had a problem when I first started learnng to draw, and that was doing it for the wrong reasons. Now I've developed a mindset to learn to draw because I have a passion for it and art as a whole.
I make a great income drawing furry porn (primarily gay, some futa and to a lesser extent some female/straight). I think its easier with furry shit, less people doing it and the customers seem to generally be really positive and generous. You gotta get relatively good (just find peers who are making good money and get as good as them) and you gotta work every single day. Also I do a lot of bizarre bullshit fetishes so I nab some of the niche crowd that way.
when it comes to like, straight, human porn, I think its a higher risk/higher reward situation. There are, of course, a much higher amount of straight people in the world, but theres also way more artists too. Gotta work harder to make yourself known, but if you break into that greater audience I think you're absolutely set.
just make sure you're drawing something you want to draw, if you aren't a furry degenerate like me, don't draw furry degenerate shit, you'll burn out on it.
In my experience, if you work really hard and try your best and have good work ethic you can reach the frankly mediocre level of skill needed to make bank with a couple years. Good luck!!!!!!!
>>2350413
>very technically accomplished female artists.
Name one. My inspiration folder is 100% guys
>>2350711
>I make a great income
how much?
>>2350712
We had a thread not that long ago.
Plus I'm sure any name I give you will result in
>hurrr look small detail is wrong they're shit! Men is better!
>>2350660
nice meme
>>2350712
Laurel Austin is pretty cool.
>>2350725
I thought Laurel was a guy's name, but you're right. Yeah she's pretty damn good.
>>2350725
This is really good but I don't like the fact that it reminds me of that Brian guy's "style"
Louise Élisabeth Vigée Le Brun
Artemisia Gentileschi
Kit king
Kat kachem
To name a few off the top of my head.
You could throw saki on here too regardless of what you have to say about your inability to do better.
how rich and degenerate are rich furfags? would there be a super niche market for traditional golden age fine arts furshit painting? (say 10k USD a pop?)
>>2350739
maybe but from experience they much prefer neon-colored digital art.
>>2350746
like paintings were used to show your status since forever, so why not have highly suggestive anthropomorphic animal pinups done with all the fancy chiaroscuro n shit instead of some generic classical painting themes?
>>2350711
>just make sure you're drawing something you want to draw, if you aren't a furry degenerate like me, don't draw furry degenerate shit, you'll burn out on it.
This! I draw fan-art for fun and I tried doing general furry porn commissions to get some extra pocket money. After a while... just couldn't do it anymore and started disliking drawing at all! Ditched it and kept drawing as a hobby, good decision.
>>2350760
Some artists do stuff similar to that, but mostly (cheaper and) digital. You have to remember that a lot of furries are regular folks that don't want that shit hanging on their living room wall, but much prefer to have it stored discreetly on the web (even none-lewd art)
>>2350826
they dont have to have taste, you just need to make them believe the shit you do is Art, instead of their generic shit tier porn they call art.
>>2350712
Jo chen
>solid technical knowledge of form and light applied
>beautiful color scheme
>perfectly captured the softness of the female form
>stick a retarded, guitar pick face over it with uguu eyes and cartoony facial features and ruin it because internet mouth-breathers can't masturbate to anything unless its japanese looking
Why do this? Why ruin a piece like this? Look at the mouth. Look at the flat faces. Unbelievable.
>>2351510
to make you mad, pigfucker.
>>2351510
you are a fucking idiot mate.
>>2350696
paypal business accounts and invoices
>>2350426
Use a handle that's not associated with your name.
>>2350712
Jennifer McChristian
>>2351510
(you)
>>2351732
do you need a business account to stay anonymous? I think you can just edit your name, address ad contact info out in the invoice settings.
>>2350426
there are disney artists that drew porn
>>2349487
Took me about a month after opening my tumblr and mine is fully nsfw for minimum discoverability.
Do fanart of popular shit and it helps if you were a bit good at imitating artstyles I guess.
I only do about 3 requests per week though, but whats really a great feeling is that I've been at it for such a short time and I'm already making and respected more than that Andrew Dobson cunt.
I need some quick cash to keep me afloat. Is it wrong to do a nsfw sketch commission stream?
>>2353865
>>2351732
>all you have to do to stay anonymous is send an invoice with a different e-mail and change the first/last name
this changes everything
>>2353856
Stupid question: How does one get discovered on tumblr? I literally never touched it.
