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merry cristmas
here some wips
dream sequence
>>2325174
Ooh that is interesting. No idea where you're going with it but I'm curious to see more
>>2325178
Lineart
>>2325179
Lineart looks better
>>2325181
I agree
I'll try to finish this tonight, any Idea on what I should do to fill the background ? someone suggested joker laughing mouths but I don't think it fits.
>>2325175
I don't like how his foot is cut off at the bottom.
In this one they are implanting memories from a diary into the construct.
>>2325188
While I don't dislike it. I can see where you are coming from. When I get back to it I will redo the entire person. Since I started it a long time ago where my draftsmanship was much weaker than it is now
and another attempt at making a line drawing into a painting.
Little wippy-wip
Loved the new SW movie. Such amazing shots that I can't wait to grab the stills from and study.
I'm trying to show that there are huge gusts of air venting out of the structure that are almost holding her suspended. I'm not too sure how to go about painting this, whatchya'll think?
>>2325197
Yeah I was thinking the same thing, should be good to do some stills study when the Blu-ray is out.
>>2325175
You should look at the art from the book 'Cloud Country'. Its from an art director at Pixar and overall very amazing and inspiring.
>>2325200
Solidly showing the effects of the gusts will sell what you're going for. Other than that, check out the "Vents" environment illustration by Noah Bradley. Also, try making the mountains at the same angle as the gusts. All the same direction if that makes sense
>>2325200
blog?
>>2325210
Do you mean tilt the mountains to the right a bit?
Okay, I'm too tired to work on this anymore (took some 4-5 hours). What are some things I should improve on next time I do something like this?
>>2325226
paint over the lines
>>2325200
What is happening here? Why is this dude stretching out? I mean, the rendering is great, I'm just completely lost. Are you that guy that does all the slimey black people walking around in the snow pictures?
>>2325262
Fok yeah broski. I like slimey black stuff... and red stuff
>>2325226
shuold carry over the blue shadows throughout a bit more, like arms/collarbones/rest of face/more throughout the hair, bc it's rly jarring especially on the lips. also the lips are just v dark in general
also i think shading on the side of the shirt (by the stripes) looks really great, and p nice elsewhere, but the lines between the boobs and on the stomach aren't great.
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>>2325376
Fuegoz?
How can I give my drawing more depth? And what else can I do to improve?
to anybody who knows their watercolors:
( >>2323868 )
are White Nights the same / same manufacturer as Sonnet? the pans have molded St. Pettersburg at the bottom.
>>2325405
Sí, soy yo.
Hola anon.
>>2325463
Me gusta mucho su dibujos!!
>>2325470
Siempre es bueno saber que hay personas en este board a las que les gusta mi trabajo, muchas gracias :)
>>2325423
Define more clearly your cast shadows
Expand your range of values, for instance you could use darker tones on the exposed internals, create oclussion points where forms converge, etc...
You could blur the far details and/or define more the near side.
BTW are you eye balling the perspective? You should consider doing it more properly particularly for mechanical stuff.
>>2325490
Thanks anon. Can you explain what you meant by where forms converge? Also I used guides for the big shapes and eyeballed the smaller things,which I find hard to do with perspective lines, especially with round things. Tips on that?
>>2325490
doesnt listen to him, he doesnt even know what his talking about, hes throwing big words at you because he has no better explanation. he would know since his art is shit.
Thoughts?
>>2325528
Fucking glorious
>>2325540
Would you actually be "happy" to get one of those for christmas? I have to make some gifts but I'm kinda broke lol
>>2325545
I'll be straight with you, I wouldn't be too pleased with those (as they are) as gifts. Maybe if you painted them black and white and framed them to give them a feel of quality, that would be much better. To give someone a pencil drawing on a piece of paper is laaaaaaame
Am i on the right track with this steam/smoke?
>>2325549
would appreciate if you did't flood the thread with a shitty illustration every time you add little details.
>>2325549
looks interesting, i'd like to see you do more withe edges/ shape design of the steam. be careful of creating tangents like the one you currently have on the left side
>>2325548
Yeah, I would ink them but I still have to make 6 more. Should quit procrastinating.
>>2325190
reminds me of the graphics of runescape from like 5 years ago
>>2325550
Oh boo hoo. I'm curious what people think.
>>2325554
You still got a day, just pick up some paint or inking pens or whatever and spend a few hours. No biggie
>>2325549
i think introduction of some white to the smoke/steam would make it read clearer. what is the purpose of the smoke/steam exactly? i don't understand it
i'm liking what you're doing but i t hink your textures kind of compete with eachother. you have smoke, mountains, the red figure and what she's standing on. pick a focal point, which i'm going to assume is the red figure. knock back the mountains a bit. maybe lighten the thing she's standing on, introduction of the white to the smoke would help as well. it's also starting to feel a little cramped because of the smoke but that might just be a personal opinion.
i get the sense that you know how to render better than you do illustrating a story, which is fine but something to keep mindful of
never really get how to push images further than something like this.
>>2325591
? Design the buildings. Add more story. Are these industrial buildings mining the ground? Are they derelict office buildings in a post apocalyptic world? Fortresses?
>>2325594
oh for sure, I just mean like, in terms of rendering, i can make thumbnails look nice but start getting lost when it comes to putting texture onto different planes
>>2325197
Dunno. I found it mostly generic and uninspiring. It feels like the true stars of the starwars series was the original actors and the model creators/animators from the first 3 movies. They were the ones who brought that universe to life. The rest have just been an attempt the conceptualize, streamline and profit from that success. They aren't added new stuff but just repeating the old stuff in a new wrapping.
>>2325595
Ah. Yeah I'm struggling with the same thing on a current piece at the moment. I like my idea, atmosphere, and composition... and everything is basically there... indicated... but refining things and adding detail keeps making it worse. In my case I think I just need to gather references and go back to simple line drawings to figure out what forms exactly I'm trying to render. Though another problem is the tendency to go too dark or light with details, adding too much contrast and breaking the value structure of my composition.
>>2325592
you have layers in photoshop. just slap random crap on your picture till you see something in it.
>>2325497
You can increase the sense of depth by adding shadows that depict the cavities formed by overlaps, changes of direction, etc...Said shadows will continue (depending on the light source ofc) and wrap around which will also reinforce the sense of form.
As for the perspective, I'm not so sure but maybe it looked weird because your vanishing points seem to be a bit too close to each other which could cause that the objects look diamond shaped, instead of seeming like they fit properly in a box.If you're having issues with round objects try to draw a box/plane and fit an ellipse before adding more details.
>>2325376
RIP in pieces doge.
thoughts? I'm pretty new to painting full images but this feels unfinished
>>2325739
Because it is. You zoom, add detail, zoom, add detail, zoom, add detail.
>>2325739
blog?
Did it yesterday.
Its some annoyingto draw the wall.
someone teach me how to eyes
>>2325812
BAZINGA!
>>2325797
Read the sticky, you're drawing nothing but symbols.
>>2325817
You dense motherfucker.
>>2325177
The thumbnail looks pretty cool!
>>2325797
beginner thread
>>2325915
>What is style?
Fuckwit.
>>2325934
alternative stylization thread
Did this exercise to test my lighting/painting knowledge. Tear it apart, /ic/
>>2326030
that's not how a turban would reflect light at all
>>2325549
Probably very late, but I liked pic related that you posted a little while back a lot more. The shapes are more interesting, the composition had a clear focal point, and I liked the added ambiguity to the character with the red blobby trails behind/above. I also like venom and carnage a lot, so that might bias my perception of the piece.
Though it was a wip, the hierarchy of detail worked better. The focal point had the most attention, and everything that was background noise was omitted. I do generally like your work, but you render everything too uniformly IMO. Let less important areas be looser - use contrast in your rendering and brushwork to add focus. Uniform rendering and edgework feels very sterile, and gives the impression that you don't know where you want your audience to look.
>>2325178
how do you get these insane textures?
This is my first time drawing skeletons and I'm crying. Can I please, please have a redline? Or if anyone can find ref to skeletons in a similar position as these?
>>2326122
study references more
study the shape of each bone and their purpose
>>2326122
Those bones look to be havin' a gay ol' time.
>>2326122
Study Dootmis.
>>2325934
you're actually clueless
Some traditional studies. Anyone have any advice for getting more aesthetically pleasing pictures? (btw, the two arms in the middle were from the same picture. The right one is the first attempt, the left is the second)
>>2326168
Nah. Good try though.
I made this.
No one asked for it but I made it any way.
>>2326170
you just need to work on your textures a bit
maybe use a soft pencil to push those blacks
almost done.
Any advice on this in general?
I'm pretty new to writing my own characters, so even critique on better lore would be appreciated.
I'm finna add color too.
Title: Abraxas, the Fallen Sentinel
Lore: A Sentinel is tasked with guarding a specific place, his designation was the Gateway to Middle Earth. Abraxas watched upon the realm, above from the Heavens for centuries. Silently watching, never wavering from his post. As time flowed by, Abraxas eventually began to become envious of the freedom of the mortal races, freedom from the shackles binding him to Heaven's golden plane. So he chose to 'betray' the Holy Covenant, and sever his own Halo in two. Breaking the contract binding him to Heaven, allowing him to descend through the very gateway he protected for so long. Thus exiling him, bringing upon the title 'Fallen' as in, to Mortal Realms. over continuing to honor his codex from Heavens Divine Court.
>>2326227
Look at the ways that light bounces off metal in real armor, for one thing.
Just finished this recently, any crits, advice and what to improve on would be appreciated.
>>2326232
I actually didn't think to look at references for that, so thanks a bunch ~
>>2325419
looks ok, are you going to paint over it? it would look good with color and lighting.
merry christmas heres a doodley doo
>>2326268
Merry Christmas. Leave the texture brushes alone. Don't rely on the superficial complexity and false detail they give to an image.
It looks just as bad on professional art and is only really excused in concept because of time constraints and generally accepted lazy/lower quality.
>>2326233
>Look at thumbnail
>hmm, interesting, maybe a Rembrandt style
>click
>fucking furry bullshit
Merry Christmas /ic/
Posting with reference
>>2326268
the pose is still and the face is lifeless
>>2326079
Pretty sure he used an aerial photo from google maps or something for that one.
>>2326282
The best thing for you would probably be to leave painting alone for a while and sit down and do some serious construction studies. Not even anatomy, just being able to draw even a simple shape and turn it in 3D space on a 2D plane.
>inb4 ain't gonna
>>2326299
You're right, I'm making a leap from ink to digital illustration. I guess I will have to slow a little and do more transition studies. Thanks for the feedback though.
>>2325134
just made a thing
>>2326502
usually do a physical art b4 doing digital part
this was a 100% digital thing
watercolor sketch
>>2326569
that's really good,
what kind of sketchpad do you use for that/do you have a blog?
>>2326569
looks nice do you have a blog
>>2326569
Dow long did it take? do you just wait all the time for it to dry so you can ad another layer?
What's the name of that chinese artist that everyone here praises?
>>2326646
Loomis
>>2325445
I'm the same person from the last thread, yes, it is the same manufacturer.
>>2326614
Oh sorry, I forgot to answer, this is a Moleskine, pocket version.
>>2326641
It took me around 40 minutes, I usually go to another area of the painting while one is drying, so it doesn't get too boring or slow. I also usually use cold pressed paper, which dries up pretty fast fast (my personal choice).
>>2326652
what would be a ghetto moleskine alternative?
>>2326646
I'll humor you. Ruan Jia.
>>2326633
were you ever on deviantart? i think i remember you or someone who did contorted stylized female nude drawings from several years ago that i met through /ic/
>>2326227
This is fine if you're 13
how do i fix this foreshortening looks so fucked up
>>2326669
http://www.amazon.ca/Moleskine-Cahier-Journal-Pocket-Plain/dp/8883704940/ref=pd_bxgy_14_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=18258CEJN313F7TQFDTC
You can get these pretty cheap. Sorry for the canuck link but it's definitely on the american version too.
>>2326701
Draw in the perspective you set up, and not willy nilly. Just look at the left arm of the dude (right side of image) extend its line and see how you missed the perspective. The same goes for the leg.
If it makes it any easier also draw a line that halves the cube thing you drew.
>>2326709
is this correct ?
>>2326669
I've only used Moleskine, so I can't really tell you.
But I advise you to not buy too cheap paper, since it dramatically affect the result in watercolors (and also the brand of the colors).
It really is completely a different workflow and result if you paint with bad or good materials.
I'm also poor, so I have like, only 5 colors I really like, that sketchbook, and two sheets of Fabriano paper that I'm keeping for a special occasion.
This is the one I use, it is on discount right now and I strongly advise you to get it, it's top quality and for a good price. http://www.bookdepository.com/Moleskine-Pocket-Watercolour/9788883705601
(http://www.bookdepository.com/Moleskine-Large-Watercolour-Notebook/9788883705625
And this is the larger version, also in a decent price.)
Believe me, it's better to save money and buy better paper/colors than to buy cheaper materials that won't really help you much to use this medium properly.
Sorry for the long reply.
>>2326676
I was drawing distorted faces/bodies and I had a deviantart with them, yes!
I still do that, but I'm studying how to achieve a certain feel/look I want with this, so I'm not posting much of this stuff.
But that was like, in the start of last year, so if you saw it really a long time ago I don't think it was me.
>>2326725
well i have the Sonnet 24 colour set which was surprisingly really cheap. so that makes me wonder whats the catch? The colours have a ton of pigmentin them, like they almost feel little too powerful.
Its hard to believe that they would be the same as the White Nights
>>2326738
Yes, that russian manufacturer puts really a lot of pigment and most of the times it looks really pure.
It having a lot of pigment strength is a sign of good quality. You can reduce the strength however and as much you want, but if the color pigment is crappy and weak by default, you can never really have intensity and brightness to your work.
I really don't know how it is cheap as it is! It is a great manufacturer, and that Sonnet set is a good thing to have.
As far as I know, White Nights is their top watercolor, Sonnet being the medium-level, so give it a try one day and compare.
>>2326077
I'm still trying to add the blobby bits to the current version but I'm having troubles.
I get that a lot - that I render too much, I'm aware of it I just need to figure out my own way rendering things to a degree and quality that I still enjoy but doesn't detract form the image.
You guys got any good resources on caricature and stylized faces?
>>2326756
dude, sont treasure this, just drop it and start something new
>>2326773
Terrible advice. This guy spends pretty long rendering things but he's still relatively fast. The only way he's gonna streamline his workflow is to slog through a few of them. It's better that he see this one through, cumulatively it'll benefit him.
Horsie
>>2326758
Just exxagerate desired features.
>>2325549
Mountains don't help this image. The steam is violent and showcased a lot of motion then theres a serene environment in the back out of perspective. implying that the platform for mist is falling // off balance
Is he getting pushed off by pressure? You're rendering is good but if you start rendering too early you will end up in trouble wasting a lot of valueable time reversersing your decisions. Make it work as a simple thumbnail and commit to it, making no major changes. As it isn ow you are jumping around willy nilly. Lack of focus.
>>2325200
Already at this sstage, you can easily see that the mountain looks really off.
>>2325423
The shallow value range is good. If you want to keep the drawing try investing more time in the line thickness: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0zl5NnEAyU
Scott robertson explains
>>2325739
Good ambition! A giant wolf attacking a poor shepherd. But emotioanlly there is nothing here, he is standing his ground but where are the sheep? You could have the giant wolf a dark shadow in the night, it's eyes showing it's intention / hunger. Then put the shepherd infront of the sheep so we know what he is defending.
>>2326807
recheck your reference, especially the distance between the nose and the upper lip. The proportions of the face are very delicate and as it is currently he looks like a guy with down syndrome.
>>2326807
blog?
>>2321301
>>2321303
>>2321697
Thanks to the people who gave me advice in the last thread.
Tried to work on the things you pointed out.
>>2326810
The gap between the nose and upper lip was actually that long in the reference, but yeah I messed up some of the proportions and it ended up way droopier than the original. I just got too caught up in rendering and didn't wanna bother redrawing the whole thing
>>2326824
I don't actually have one yet, wanted to get half decent before making one. You think I'm at a point where that's a thing that I should do
>>2327014
you should try drawing different poses.
>>2327050
Oh, you remember me from another thread?
Yeah I know. I just felt like doing some similar poses with different characters.
Kinda need to train "backs"
>>2327069
I have this theory that you don't know how to draw faces
am I right?
>>2327073
Well, I actually drew some for this character.
This is part of a set. I just posted the full body pic.
They are very anime like, but I can do some semi realistic stuff with this style 1/2
>>2327076
Like this 2/2
I meant this >>2327078 to address >>2327073
too
Here it is another Snek
>>2327081
Well I'm still developing my own stuff and style. Trying stuff out. Not sure what path to take...
>>2326807
youtube?
compositionally, I tried to contrast the diagonal of the distant rock formations with the dark stems rising from the lake (I added more after this initial picture).
I feel I failed to convey the distance from the figures and the rocks, they are supposed to be quite far from them but I feel it looks as if it is a paper mache. The best I could do was add smaller and smaller stems as the distance recedes since I don't know any other way of conveying this (more blurred maybe?).
All in all this is supposed to be one panel in a web comic/illustrated book Im working on so alot of the detail won't really be seen.
I'm doing some commission soon
I've never done one before but what should my general attitude be?
right now I feel like sucking the commissioner's cock and doing everything to please them
I just don't want to end up like those guys who stop improving
>>2327157
just take it slow, always wait to the next day to reply and deliver stuff late, but be polite and always apologise about it. itll get you more respect because itll make you look busy and hardworking, they really want to feel like the thing you do is super difficult, when in fact you actually start working on it after the deadline.
they dont like to pay a lot of money if they see you did something effortlessly in a short amount of time
>>2327163
dobson? god damn if serious an hero
Main concern right now is composition. I wanted to show the pirate ship being on fire, with smoke billowing in the direction towards the shore that the crew is charging onto.
>>2327177
Could you add a little more definition? I'm having trouble envisioning what you described.
>>2327177
Ross?
>>2327205
Hope this is better. More guys will be added as soon as I figure out how to make the next poses feel different from the first five.
>>2327227
Yeah what?
gotta figure out what to do with the bg to get the thumb to read
should be annoying
>>2327241
Ah okay this is better, I couldn't tell exactly what you meant, and at first I was picturing the boat and pirates' positions flip flopped to where you have them. I would put the foreground character even more extreme foreground, maybe so much so the hair is being cut off by the box, even. A Dutch angle is always a quick way to add visual interest. My real opinion is that this shot is pretty overused in a lot of things and I would actually look for a different way to stage it altogether, but that's not a crit that's just my two cents.
Also Ross who, like RubberRoss cuz I love him.
>>2327254
Composition is definitely not my strong suit. However, since you said that this is overused, I wouldn't mind starting over from an entirely different angle. This didn't take that much time to do, so I'd rather do it right than polish a turd.
fixed a couple things from last time but i'm not sure what else to do. finished?
>>2327082
this is pretty cool, i like your style.
>>2327262
I wouldn't say it's a turd, I mean it's used because it works. But.....it is definitely out there already.
>>2327273
Right, that's why I need to learn by doing something that hasn't been done all the time. What angle do you recommend? Do you know any artists with a knack for depicting active crowds?
>>2327278
For this sort of thing, I'd recommend looking at some comic artists. For composition, I think I'd say Frank Quietly and Michael Golden have some of the best staging ever, Golden especially in his Jackie Chan books, and just generally anything from the golden age or Will Eisner type stuff. For lively crowds, and good composition too even, perhaps Blacksad? Seriously, some of the scenes in it just really blow me away.
>>2326792
blog?
Sketches from today. Any advice?
I need desperate help with shading. I am happy with how the body is going, but I feel like the face is just so.... lifeless? Statuesque? I really suck at giving my characters that 'life force' kind of look. I want her to have a neutral expression.
This is my first digital art project with a tablet... I'd been using a mouse for about 2 months just to get a hold of the controls. But now that I actually have the technology to do real stuff, I am just kind of... meh feeling.
>>2327313
how do you manage to make such a huge file size from such a small image?
>>2327381
What is PNG, for 500.
>>2325815
baklava XD
>>2327382
Png for digital and graphics, jpg for pics
>>2327268
thanks for the compliment brah
>>2327311
http://zoochie.deviantart.com/
study senpai
Haven't done direct color painting for a long time, got way to used to greyscale and then coloring. At least I have learned a lot about values in the last few months. Any suggestions?
Some sketching, trying to refine an idea.
>>2327714
tumblr get out
>>2327714
the left one is better, that blindfold, is he a demon hunter?
>>2327715
Whatever, It's nice to draw something different for a change.
>>2327714
I like the idea and the colors, draw it again when you git gud!
>>2327350
I still need help. :|
Alright so I realized part of my problem is I was using the dodge/burn tool primarily for shading. Slowly going back and using actual colors for areas and it's starting to look a bit less awkward. <_<
Yay, digital painting noob.
>>2327350
>>2327751
Establish a definite light source/direction in the image. Don't be afraid of contrast and shadow.
>>2327806
stop shading with black, it doesnt look like shadow, but more like coal on those parts.
>>2327806
Thank you for the advice, I had actually forgotten how much it will change once you add in more shading. Only working around that eye socket currently, but you see where I am trying to get.
>>2327791
Man this looks lazy as hell, looks like you're avoiding drawing some parts
>>2327827
It's a quick example to illustrate the point. I'm not going to re-draw the entire picture for them.
Stop looking for excuses to seem knowledgeable, when you have nothing of genuine note to add to the conversation.
>>2327832
not him but ill vouch for him in saying that youre wrong in everything you say henceforth in this comment chain as well as the lighthing. You clearly have no sense of form.
>>2327350
First of all, this will be problem to you if you dont know the actual structure, the shape. You wont understand how the light bumbs / reflects. Your picture has several axes problem, but well, ok..
I dont have time to play with colors, so i just grab what you got there. Had to completly cover the hair, cause made me insanly confused all the time, i would make them totally different, but didn't want to mess up with your concept.
I picked the light side based on nose and darkest shadow... and btw you got the darkes shadow under the eyebrow yet everywhere misses. Make that right.
Still i think you should do some value studies (as i should)
>>2327829
hahaha, thanks bro, its just that i am in the middle of the process :D hahaha, but lazy i am, you got me :D
>>2327845
PLEASE stop redlining for now, I say this as someone who totally understands youre trying to help and/or make yourself feel better. But if you do these redlines youll only end up with hate. You clearly have no idea what youre talking about. I read through and have no idea what youre trying to convey. So please stop for the next 4 months, no redlines.
>>2327751
sticky, beginner thread
>>2327838
Really? Come back and educate me when you can draw form better than this.
>>2327854
holy shit are you kidding me? this is an eye trace and a bad one at that and youre legitimately proud of it.
>>2327857
Does it give the illusion of form or not. You clearly don't know anything about art other than buzzwords. "Eye trace". That pic was constructed in exactly the same way this one was.
>>2327850
As you wish ;-)
Just let me explain:
1. he is drawing 2D... the object doesn't have any volume. In that case, trying to specific where the light bumps and where the shadow is, where are the light reflections is almost impossible.
2. Axis problems (sorry for misspell): The eyes are like front facing, the nose is out of the axis in 3/4 view, same for mouth. You can devide face when frontfacing to several axis which you can follow when turning. Here, the main axe doesnt change in perspective. Again, adds to hard part in shading, because the object doesn't make sense to what we understands.
3. Hair - doesnt work like that
value mockup, anything i could improve on before moving into color?
>>2327871
>>2327850
forgot the pic of axis
>>2327870
dude you cant even alight the mouth and the nose with a fucking reference, you keep overdarkenning areas and leaving the skin white, the sense of form isnt from your understanding but from the image. You cant redline if your understanding is just doing photocopies, theres a reason why you arne tshow me your originals. Also you have planear issues with your noses at multiple instance, I say this because you didnt draw it in form, you used guidelines be the form is absent. I really dont want to be insulting so please dont post any more things to defend yourself.
>>2327857
>>2327870
How about this. Do you still want to tell me I don't understand form?
>>2327880
not that dude, but shut the fuck up, nuub
>>2327878
>
GOD DAMN IT YOU MANAGE TO CONFUSE A DROOP WITH A FUCKING AXIS PROBLEM
>>2327890
>tripfag autism
>>2327882
still not showing me any of your original works because you know you have no literal understanding. Literally referencing and you cant even ge the tilt of the head right.
>>2327845
Yeah, I know. The hair hasnt even really been started yet rofl. It's intended to be a cartoonish style but yeah, even then it's still an eyesore.
I'm pretty bad at perspective so far. I haven't even messed with the right eye yet because I am waiting to find an appropriate position for it. I am not really sure what to do with it to make it well... not so fucking awkward.
>>2327832
It's fine I got the point. These guys are just looking for a bone to pick. I know very well not to use black as shading. My big mistake was using dodge/burn for it. Which i have now stopped...
As far as shading goes that is. I do need help on how the right side of the face should be to better fit the left.
Thanks everyone for the help thus far. Both of you have been helpful in different ways. Lol.
Forgot progress image. What should I do to fix up my perspective problem?
>>2327897
ill give you a real redline if you take back all that you said about getting the point.
>>2327880
Nonsense. They are sketches, it's obvious they deliberately don't have all the values included in the image.
You're a big fan of jargon, but that seems to be all you understand. Except of course from trying to seem superiorly knowledgeable for self-validation.
>>2327894
That is original work. I haven't seen anything of yours at all so far that shows you can practice anything you preach. Afraid it won't hold you up as the authority you like to paint yourself as?
>>2327827
This guy is right. Don't shade in black. There no excuse. You don't have to redraw the entire pic to do this. Also
>>2327806
This is a shit paintover. And you doesn't add anything genuine to help. The forms are all wrong in the original piece, you've not done anything to illustrate a light source other than draw an arrow. All you've done is scrawl more nasty black shadows everywhere that make no sense.
I get that you might not have time for a full paint over or just simply don't want to, your call. But don't just half-ass it and crap out a shit paintover which is pretty much as awful as the original. If you're going to give a paint over, put some effort into it or just don't bother.
This piece does needs someone to completely redoe it, to illustrate proper anatomy and how surfaces are illuminated/shadowed correctly.
>>2327854
>>2327854
>>2327870
>>2327882
>Really? Come back and educate me when you can draw form better than this.
This is a sad excuse, and all together your forms are ok. Not great but not dreadful either. It's clear that you can produce something which would be of help to the original artist. But quite frankly you didnt. And got called out on it.
Can I get a redline? Any critique appreciated
>>2327903
What's a redline exactly?
>>2327903
>"Take back what you said or else I won't share"
Are you 12?
>>2327907
very nice desu, i feel as though if her right legt comes toward us at that angle it would cause a bigger petrusion in her abdomen, and the angle would be slight different. Also the head feels a little big/detached
>>2327908
when you pass over someone drawing with a redline to show their mistakes.
>>2327909
he is a tripfag, what else you need?
>>2327914
Im only willing to help someone uncooperative if they play into my obnoxiousness
>>2327913
Ah, thank you. But I want help from multiple people not just one, haha. Everyone has different tactics and I want to make sure I find one that best suits my own style/talents. So I will take EVERYONE'S advice. Even if I am not going to use it in this instance.
>>2327912
Thanks. I'll try fixing it up.
Also for the legs I used pic related as a rough reference
>>2327916
Not that guy, but
>help
>HELP
>laughingvixens.jpg
Even if you are trolling, you are a huge idiot. Just punch yourself in the face or jump under train.
>>2325184
awesome
>>2327917
this is all you get until you say youre sorry faggot
>>2327932
Oh man, you are jumping on everyone's back here and then you show this? You have totally no idea what you are doing. Really, kill yourself.
>>2327941
every correction i have bothered to make was accurate. You just dont understand what i did so you think its bad. Try redline with this as a base and youll see.
>>2327932
That is the least useful "redline" I've seen on this board.
>this is all you get until you say youre sorry faggot
Dude doesn't need the help of an immature douchebag with a misguided superiority complex.
You've honestly done nothing but make a fool of yourself this entire thread. You should just leave in shame.
>>2327946
0/10
>>2327946
AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAH!!!!
This is your "work"! Oh shit. Art advice from a fucking weeaboo with delusions of grandeur.
>>2327948
Actually I had no idea to just flip it horizantally to see the weird spots. But otherwise from that, yeah. Didn't help. But I think I am getting it to a better perspective with it being flipped... Jesus christ why did I not know this.
A nice redline would be appreciated though of course.
>>2327951
whats wrong with it?
It's a photostudy, I'm trying to learn to paint in color.
How does it look? Are there any good tips for making things a little less muddy besides 'use a hard brush'? Generally I think I'm fine getting hard edges around the exterior but most interior stuff looks fuzzy.
>>2327955
>filename
TOPKEKS
>>2327957
if youre using ps learn how to use opacity and flow...
>>2327959
i changed the side is it better now?
>>2327962
Any more specific advice on opacity and flow? Many of the brushes I use adjust opacity based on pressure, and as far as I can tell flow is a very similar concept as well.
>>2327963
shut up you attention scum 0/10
>>2327350
Before worrying about light you need to have a good understanding of form and anatomy.
Feel free to ask about any corrections as it'd too much to go over everything.
>>2327907
>>2327920
If this is the ref then note that her leg looks like that cause the seat of the car leans downwardly.
In yours the position of her legs is going downward and looks too forced, like it's not resting on top of the other so she'd have to be making an effort to keep her leg raised like that.
>>2327968
even thou its not that good, i enjoy watching how you described it.
>>2327954
im not very good but i tried my best since there was so much brouhaha in concerning your posts. hope this helps :)
>>2327965
Opacity affects the entire brushs transparency and therefore doesnt lead to good strokes when painting with small individual strokes right on top of one another. opacity is good for painting, but only if you use primarily for value placement since it affects the brushes transparency.
Flow is the brush itself with no transparency on it. To properly use flow, if youre using cs6 you want to go into transfer. enable flow control under flow jitter and set that to pen pressure.(you dont really want to change flow jitter or flow minimum, unless youre making fancy brushes) opacity control should be turn off. in later versions of ps the transfer is known as "other dynamics" and the stuff is still in there.
Also the flow minimum thing should be kept at 0 because it will vary the flow percentage depending on the main flow parameter in your main window, so flow and opacity should remain at 100%.
>ITT: cue the Benny Hill music
>>2327984
how is this a redline if you dra a different character over it? The nose is off
Should I keep and then work with this, or scrap this layer?
>>2327968
Thanks, I will definitely keep this in consideration for my next step.
>>2327991
you are getting it, kill the hair, it misleads you and make you do shit on her face which shouldnt be there. The eyelids shine to much.
>>2327993
true
>>2327994
Yeah, I know the eyelids are too shiney xD They're also supposed to be darker in general. Maybe I should give a character description so people know what I am after? I have it on hand.
I am going to kill the hair now I think, haha.
>>2327993
>>2327991
Anon this is so much worse than before. Now she looks like she has scales, and I see you followed the unfortunate advice someone gave to shrink her body when it should've been larger if anything. Plus, shading with black really isn't good. It sucks that all this bad advice got to you before any good, I don't think this piece is salvageable, unless maybe you start back from the point where you first posted it. Either way your main problem is you're trying to paint without understanding light and shadow, color, anatomy, and how to convey form, and all of those are incredibly important with painting. Do whatever you're going to with this picture but I would strongly urge you to take to lineart for a long while after this and learn construction of simple shapes.
>>2327997
>4288x2848
Learn to resize.
>>2327986
Thanks, I've been fiddling a bit with the flow slider at the top though I'll try to experiment with brushes as well. It definitely seems useful.
So far though, increasing flow just seems to give smoother blending and good transitions, but if my problem is muddy edges I'm not sure flow will help much in that department, unless I'm missing something.
>>2328008
god youre hopeless. if you dont understand how to use flow and opacity now, then youre fucked.
>>2328012
Sorry, I started using photoshop earlier this month. Can I suck your dick since you're a golden god of photoshop? Maybe some of your divinity will rub off on a mere mortal.
>>2327991
Ditch it anon, it's beyond help now, let it go and start a new piece, or go study some fundamentals.
