>itt we post the worst thing that has happened or that we have done as artist or whatever
I´ll start
>be me
>last week
>working shitty weekend job for cheap money
>lunch break
>sitting there drawing as usual
>guy occasionally comes by and watches me draw that I liked
>I´m using a makeshift printer paper sketchbook
>fast forward to next day lunch break again
>drawing when he walks up to me
>hes got paper in hand
>hands me the paper and says something like `` keep drawing anon, I like it´´ and walks away
>he handed me
>a fucking
>stack of
>lined
>paper
I can no longer look at him the same way
also OP is a faggot and you d/ic/ks have made me repulsive against lined paper now.
>>2317152
>when I was younger I did fan art once or twice
>I've drawn myself naked and posted it online before
>I painted my ex nude and posted it online once
>I've been treated poorly while plein air painting
>in high school I would autistically draw loomis and anatomy on the edges of my notes or practice hatching
>I have done way more self portraits than any normal artist
>I have hundreds of dollars of traditional painting supplies I never use because I'm a digifag now
>I judge people and make assumptions about them based on their favourite artists
>>2317152
>post the worst thing that has happened or that we have done as artist
stopped making art.
If you describe that as the worst thing, a person complimenting you and handing the wrong paper, you sound like a fucking intolerable person to be around.
>>2317198
thanks anon, im just another shut in ultra-virgin gay shit computer addict so im not surprised that my everyday actions and reactions are that of a shit person
The worst two things that happened to me were when I tried to enter DC and Top Cow's comic contests. I was down to the wire with DC's contest because I hadn't been sure if I should enter, but
>did my page and scanned it
>about to submit
>internet hiccuped
>refreshed the page
>submission button gone
>cried in front of computer for half an hour
Later I decided to pick myself up and try again for the Top Cow thing.
>committed to it early this time
>finished pages with time to spare
>didn't even place out of possible 14 fucking slots
>haven't drawn a comic since then.
>>2317152
well don't waste it, anon. Burn through it with a ton of shit you suck at. Studies can go on shit paper. Cool that he wants to support you, even if he doesn't get it.
>be me
>drawing ignites a spark in kid-me
>I'm in love
>hit puberty, thinks I'm an ~arteest~
>puts most of my self-worth into my art because it's the only thing I can do
>hate self because I draw like shit
>when a drawing isn't completely terrible I think I'm amazing
>refuse to use references because it's cheating
>refuse to work on fundamentals because 'I already know how to do that'
>chicken scratch everywhere
>outside of art class, only draw on average once a month
>take 6 years to fill up a sketchbook
>all done on one side
>many pages only have one small unfinished shit doodle and nothing else
>turn 25 and realize I won't make it to 50 if I don't pursue a creative career
>have ephiphany and realize the reason I still sucked is because I looked at it wrong
>mfw I wasted 10 years of my life not gettin gud because I looked at art in a retarded way
Don't be me, fgts. Art is just a skill. Everyone sucks at the beginning, all you need to do to get past that is to keep drawing. Don't worry about it looking like shit, it's fine, you won't ever make good art if you don't trek through the shit, so just power through that shit like you're bustin out of jail.
You are never as bad or as good as you think you are. Draw a lot, observe, and study. Even just 30 min a day will do a lot of good for you. Think of it like this; over a year, that's 182 hours of drawing practice. That's nothing to shake a stick at. More is better, but don't push yourself so hard you crash and burn. Start small, increase when comfortable. Go for the dedicated long-burn.
Ive never done any art study
Ive never read any art guide/book though having said that, I follow my fav pop artist's tutorials (eg sakimichan, artgerm, zeronis) and try to imitate their style.
Am I worse than Hitler, /ic/?
>>2317235
go draw a comic faggot. Less then 10 pages (3-5 is best), give yourself a small timeframe so you don't overthink shit to the point of giving up on it, and just focus on getting it done. #1 priority is finishing it. Don't care about how terrible it is. They can be stick figures, or only pencil, or shitty grammar. Doesn't matter. Just that it's done. Fast, ugly, but complete.
You get the added bonus of protecting your ego by saying 'Hey, I only had 2 weeks to do it and I wasn't really trying to make it good, so ofc it's shit. It's not my best', but bam. You overcame a huge personal hurtle, and you'll feel damn good about that. And you know what? You'll look at it and feel that itch; 'but I know I could do better...' and then you do it again. Same thing, but challenge yourself a tiny bit more (more pages, less time, more characters, w/e), and just focus on finishing it. It doesn't have to be done right. Just done.
>>2317256
I've been kind of working my way up to doing that. I have an idea for some pages, and I even drew rough drafts of them. It's just that it took me nearly 2 years to even get back to that point. Comics meant everything to me and failing that hard back to back shook my whole godamn planet. Slowly though, slowly, my love for it is coming back. Thanks for the motivation anon.
>>2317249
>take 6 years to fill up a sketchbook
How the shit??
Damn dude. At least you realized it. Better late than never I guess. I hope you're trying to make up for lost time.
>>2317270
To be fair, I did some digital and had a second sketchbook, so everything wasn't in the same one (and i procrastinated finishing that sketchbook because I 'have to do a good last page!' the fuck is that?). If it had been, it prob still woulda taken about ~3-4 years. If you wanna improve, don't do that shit kids.
And I am. I've drawn more in the last year then I have the previous 10. Still gotta do more, but you gotta celebrate the successes too, so I'm proud of it.
>>2317285
>you gotta celebrate the successes too
This is true, you really do. If you don't give yourself a pat on the back at least once in the while, it's just too fucking oppressive. Imagine playing a video game where you never win. If you just feel like you can never win, eventually you stop playing because it doesn't feel like a game, it feels like bashing your head against a wall. You have to let yourself feel like you've won sometimes so you can keep pushing yourself to the harder difficulty.
>>2317261
You're overthinking it. It's so damn easy to do when you take a blow like that, I know m8, but kick your brain in the nuts and tell it to go fuck itself. Finish what you've got roughed out in a week. Sacrifice polish for the sake of getting it done. You can always, ALWAYS go back and do it again if you want, and you'll be able to do it better. If you're too attached to it and you just can't get yourself to do that, then put it aside and write 5 pages worth of a stick figure doing some stupid shit in the woods. In one sitting. Two edits tops, then layout the panels. No more then a week, 2 or 3 days preferred.
The pit you're stuck in is mental, so you gotta trick your brain into seeing the task differently. Force it to focus on completing a goal (like grinding out a level, it's mechanical and measurable, inarguable), rather then a 'properly finished' product (which can be judged).
>>2317319
You're definitely right about how I need to approach the execution of it, I was just thinking about that earlier today actually. I'll see about getting to it soon, got some other obligations to take care of first though.
I've been in an artist hugbox group. I was invited by a friend.
No wonder she had borderline no progress for 3 years. Everyone in there is still almost completely stagnated. They pretty much disregarded art theory. It's all just jerking eachother off for self-esteem, no real critique. One person in there has some weird not-male and not-female gender so she wants special pronouns.
I'm still in it but I never post.
>have a deadline for two pages in a zine due in two weeks
>took a break from my submissions for a week
>come back to them and realize they're disgustingly awful and not even halfway done.
Time to start salvaging them.
>>2317405
If it's only two pages and you have two weeks, it might be better to just restart them.
>>2317403
Leave bro. I was in the same position. No good will come out of it if you aren't friends with any of them
>>2317249
Jesus fucking Christ Anon are you future me? I still haven't gotten through the funk yet, but other than that it's all the exact same.
Also if you are future me, did I ever afford that Cintiq or am I still stuck with a shitty Wacom
>>2317162
>>I've been treated poorly while plein air painting
Story? I'm running out of excuses to not go outside and need to fill up muh anxiety.
>>2317235
>>haven't drawn a comic since then.
Sounds like a great way to git gud
>>2317856
I've still been drawing, just not comics.
>take request from drawbro
>plan to do it digitally
>show wip to someone
>"it needs a bit of work anon, but keep working at it"
>doubt takes over
>fear of making the requester upset over my shit art skills
>realize I'm shit at so many things
>put off request until "I'm better"
>put it off for almost a year
Life is suffering
>>2317403
I left my group for similar reason, i'm still pretty self motivated and think i'm making progress a little faster. But man is it lonely.
>>2317897
are you me?
>>2317255
Not too late to start dude
>i fucked up
>i fucked up
>>2317838
Hey past-me. You're a stupid cunt, stoppit. No, you're using a hand-me-down wacom bambo, but I don't give a fuck if I have a cintiq. I have everything I need right now. Cintiq is a poor investment for me right now, and it would have been a poor investment for you. Wait until you can afford one solely with your art somehow. Or until you're pulling fat stacks at the job I never got.
Here are some things to think about. When facing a problem, sometimes you gotta sit back and break that shit down to it's simplest form. First things first, why do you do it? What is the goal you're trying to achieve through it? Self improvement? Reaching other people? Something else? Figure out what it is for you right now, and use that lens to look at your art. If you want to reach people, go look up shitty fanart. Look at how fucking terrible it is, how much worse they are then you, and yet people are actually HAPPY to see it. Reaching one person means you are succeeding at doing what you want, right now. You might never know if you reached someone, so remember that, get shit done, and you'll feel better.
If it's self-improvement, try to understand that there is no end-goal with that. It's about moving in the right direction, that's it. Imagine it like a winding path. It doesn't matter if it winds backwards or loops around. So long as you keep following it. If you can skip a back-track by cutting through the brush, good. But every single step will get you just a little bit further down that path. You might not be able to see how it's getting you closer, but you have to trust that it will. The shittiest drawing still takes you 1 step closer. Reinforcing bad habits? Guess what. You're still moving forward. Sure you want to avoid it if you can, but our worst choices can teach us the most. Learning = self-improvement. So go fuck it all up, never forget why you're doing what you do, and dedicate yourself to learning from it. And then fuck it up again.
>>2317897
>put it off for almost a year
You did it in the end? What did he say?
>>2317152
I'm not sure if I'm interpreting your story the right way because in the way I am I just can't believe someone like you could be such a fucking cunt. I guess someone putting themselves out there to show you they appreciate something you're doing but doesn't reach your standards didn't need you anyway.
But that's it, isn't it? You can't even fathom someone being nice to you so you have to reject them before they have a chance to see what a piece of shit you are instead of being nice yourself.
>>2317152
Started posting on /ic/
>>2317997
>you did it in the end
Ha ha ha no I didn't and I feel shit about it.
>>2317249
yup, you're me, except I was 18 when I figured to git gud and 19 when I decided to use resources. I'm 20 now and thank god for using my time now instead of my mid 20's
>>2317986
Pretty good post buddy.
>>2317320
You'll get there m8, and you'll be damn happy when you do. And I know I spoke in a 'bro don't be a pus' type of language, but don't forget to treat yourself like a dear friend going through a hard time. Encourage, support, full-blown cheerleader mode, along with lavish forgiveness and celebration. And eventually the i-love-you-bro-no-homo-shittalk when the ego gets too big, of course.
I berief in u
>MFW
>Recently gone hard as fuck in Oil paint
>Knife painting 4'x3' still lives
>Used $100 worth of paint on three still lives
>Really enjoying the process
>Love painting again
>Drawing large portraits
>Slaying art gains
If you really want those art gains, you need to be willing to suck today's dick. simple as that. /ic/ isn't a hug box, but it's still a box.
>have a really good idea for a comic
>no fundementals
>can't draw what I want to express what I want to
>give up
>lurk /ic/ and fantasize about what life could have been like if I had skill
>think about the comic now and again
What could have been.
>>2318168
Thanks anon haha. I've had a good while to get over it, it's definitely time.
>>2318208
SUN'S OUT GUNS OUT
GO OUT AND PAINT SOMETHING
OOHRAH
>>2318227
see >>2317256 and >>2317319
Ideas aren't precious. Do that comic, fuck it up royally, and then do more. You can always go back and do it over when you're better if you want. Use the comic to direct your studies. Gotta draw a car for a panel but can't draw cars? Do some car studies, then knock out that car. It'll still suck but it'll suck LESS, and that's key. Then move onto the next challenge.
The nice thing with comics is that they offer a goal-oriented way to study a bunch of shit at your own pace. You do a page, and are most bothered by shitty backgrounds? Go study backgrounds and do the second page. Figures bothering you most now? Do some figure drawing. Rinse repeat. Don't worry about having a good story. Don't spend too much time thinking about shit. Focus on getting it done. The vast majority of people who want to make a comic never do, so if you do that, and you're already leaving tons of better artists in the dust.
The comic is going to suck monkey balls no matter what you do. You could study your fundamentals for 10 years, and I promise you, when you try to do a comic, it will be terrible. Sequential story-telling is hard even for pro artists, and most artists suck at writing. So why wait? Suck at drawing AND sequential story-telling at the same time and get better at both.
>>In middle school.
>>Drew commissions of weird hentai shit.
>>One was Rugrats porn. Nastay.
>>Did it anyway.
>>Stashed it in my cabinet.
>>MFW I come home and mom is cleaning the cabinet. Turns to me and asks "What is this?"
>>Pic was of Tommy dildoing Angelica.
>Finally got the dreamjob in game production
>I now have to photobash
>>2318310
That's so true. In my old company, the art director would slap shit together and the clients licked his asshole clean. But when he did something painterly and fun, they wanted a redo.
i feel deeply inadequate compared to my pro art acquaintances. They have actual industry jobs and I just make porn, im surprised they even give me the time of day.
>>2318227
Just learn to draw, faggot. Who cares if it'll take you years to git gud and in the mean time you'll realise your comic idea is shit anyway? Just fucking do it. You'll get a hobby for life, something to vomit all this shit out of your head with, and maybe eventually you'll realise it wasn't simply that the idea that started it all was shit, but rather that it now IS shit in comparison to the skilled, imaginative artist you grew into, that by the time you were good enough to do it justice you were so good that you realise IT wouldn't do YOU justice, that you've had 100s of better ideas since then and stretched your potential beyond what you ever thought possible, that life is packed to the brim with glorious ideas and to truly live is to experience them all however it turns out, not to covet and fetishise a single one and mourn it's dead, barely developed foetus sealed in amber around your neck. You can do better than that.
>be about 11
>get money from a friend to draw porn of a little boy
>actually do it bc allowance was shit
>mfw remembering my first paid work was pedophile shit drawn when i was a kid
>>2317862
At least /ic/ would shit on you if you post crap unlike a hugbox.
well really they'll shit on you anyway it's just a different kind of shit that can tell you that you're improving
>>2318394
kek
>>2318369
Are you me? I can't even afford to hang out with them half the time, and get into stupid arguments with them when we do hang out, but every time I say I can't make it to sketch sessions they get feelsy. I don't know why they're investing in me, but I've been trying to work harder so I can get a legit job and not feel like such a piece of shit hanging out with them.
In high school, a few of us went to Cal Arts to participate in a life drawing class, held on campus during the weekend.
The models never showed.
We found a dead body on campus.
>>2317249
started at 22...i'm 24 and i still suck ass..i want to die man.
I draw and make snaps of myself drawing real quick and put them on my snap story. I usually think they are dumb and delete the snaps.
I was watching starwars last night and drew a bruce timm style leia and snapped the movie and panned over to me sketching her.
I show my friends my drawings and get mad they dont drool over them.
When I first start drawing I literally feel like this the first 5 minutes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pPaEdvCs1C8
Then it becomes fun
I bought a figma anime character doll for "drawing" but dont use it for that. I just autistically carry it around with me as an adult and give her little kisses sometimes but nobody knows I have her. Shes sitting on my desk right now at work hidden behind my computer.
I want chicks to think i'm a good artist like Jack from titanic
>>2318901
Did you draw it?
>>2317152
>made christmas cards for my whole family 2 months after starting with drawing
>made birthday cards for them through the next year
>got serious the next year and woke up to how shit and embarrassing they were
>parents put theirs back up this christmas
>also did nothing but copy technically bad drawings for a year which i'm just recovering from
>>2317285
i can relate to the sketchbook issue, though mine only lasted 8 months (also doing a little digital). i started buying really cheap sketchbooks and got into the habit of filling one up a month, and not caring if what i drew was good or not
>>2317152
>tfw no one to receive gifts from
at least use it anon
not for drawing but just use it
>>2317152
>middle school me
>weeaboo fujoshi, draws muh smexy yaoi OTPs all the time
>doodling gay dudes making out on my homework as usual, but I always erase it
>one day lose one of my homework pages
>oh well, I'll ask the teacher for a new one
>ask teacher, and she makes a weird face at me
>pulls out my lost sheet
>gay doodle right smack on the top next to my name
>suicide.jpg
At least now people pay me to draw their gay shit.
Other unrelated but almost as awful stories
>went through a furry phase for like a year
>my mom still has a mini picture frame with a framed picture of my fursona in it
>have a friend whose really bad at drawing
>no concept of fundamentals, rectangle limbs, chicken scratch, only ever halfway sketches things, the list goes on
>never have I once helped her to improve
>be me
>do some work
>tutor, who hasn't talked to me for a week comes over to see my work
>hates it
>tells me to change it
>now I hate it
>havent drawn anything since
>a major motivator for me to draw is so that I can post it to my tumblr and get followers
I enjoy the act of drawing but this is usually what stops me from procrastinating. It makes me feel a little dirty given how /ic/ feels about 'selling out' or 'doing it for the likes' but I feel like it makes me accountable to others which is a motivator for me. I also feel like it gives me a metric of progress in art, having a following, even if it doesn't always correlate to skill.
>>2318907
Go ahead and give up then. But think about this. How will you feel when you wake up and you're 27? Will you regret it? Will you lament how much better you'd be if you had just kept up with it?
Trust me man, treat it as a numbers game at the beginning. Each drawing counts, no matter how shit. Don't overthink, just do. You'll learn more by doing it terribly 5 times then if you only read about it.
I'm 27 now. What I would give to have started seriously at 22 instead of 25. Three wasted years.
Last thing, I doubt you suck ass m8. You're probably just being overcritical of yourself. You're never as bad or as good as you think you are, so work on ignoring that nagging voice and do as much shit as possible. 3 sketchbooks of shitty drawings is infinitely better then 0 sketchbooks. Remember that, and try to be proud of how suckass you are now. It's a gift, even if it doesn't look like it.
>>2319949
dis nigga got it, keep it up mang
>>2319978
Honestly this mindset will get you farther careerwise than /ic/'s.
>>2317862
O rly? I got 70+ gigs of good out of it.
>not believing in your own advice
>>2319961
Revealing your gender on 4chan
>>2318767
Go to those sketch seshes, you'll learn a lot.
>>2318767
your self worth isn't how skilled you are at drawing. also consider they like your passion for drawing as opposed to your skill
>or they could be taking you along to make themselves feel better about their own art
>>2319931
>this
did you anon?
>>2317152
OH NO FUCKING LINED PAPER FROM A PERSON THAT LIKES YOUR SHIT DRAWINGS
How absolutely horrible, OP.
>>2317152
>before i took art as seriously as I wanted to
>still pretty decent for my age and family is impressed
>grandma wants me to draw picture of her dead husband
>keeps asking for it
>keep putting it off cause i know itll be shit
>eventually grandma dies
>she never got the drawing she asked for even a month before death
>feel guilty
>>2317261
I'm currently drawing comics professionally after trying to break in for ten years.
Have you ever heard the Charles Schulz quote: "Cartooning will destroy you. It will ruin your life."
It's true. And yet I'm going to keep doing it. Comics are obscenely difficult. When I draw individual illustrations or draw from life, everything about drawing is ten times easier. Everything about comics is a fucking nightmare. If you care about your sanity or having a social life, then just don't even get into it. But if comics mean everything to you, if you can't envision going through your life without doing everything you can to create the best comics you can possibly create, then launch yourself into the void and never question it again.
>>2317152
It was a nice thought of them and printer Parker us just a fucking bad imo
>in the middle of moving
>throwing out middle, high-school assignments and worksheets
>find old doodles in margins and partially filled sketchbooks
>instead of feeling happy about improvement, feel only disgust and revulsion at 12-year-old-self's skill level and designs
Honestly, I don't know how I wasn't embarrassed drawing all this drivel. Sort of wish I could go back in time and tell young-me that I was shit, and to give it up and focus on something else.
>>2320513
damn
>>2320479
>you'll learn a lot
I have learned a shit ton by hanging out with them, that's true. I can't go right now though for money reasons.
>>2320484
I think they're pretty genuine with what they say about my skill level, which is that they're not necessarily blown away but they can't understand why I don't have work or at least better work than I've been getting. Anyway it's not so much that I feel inferior to them skillwise, because you need to be around people better than you to improve, I just feel like shit because I usually can barely afford to buy the lowest priced thing on the menu whenever we go out, and I draw porn which even though I kinda enjoy it embarrasses me for them to know, especially when I'm still not even making enough off of it to buy a damn latte apparently. I really don't get why they want me around at all, but they even asked me to join their yearly collab so I guess they see something.
>>2320529
I want to be fully dedicated to it, it's just that it takes so much work and yields basically no return unless you get hired somewhere or start up a webcomic that really takes off. Part of the reason I haven't drawn any comics since then is that I've had to take on other work to pay bills and haven't had that kind of time to invest anymore. If you're willing to share, how did you finally break in? Was it just sending portfolios out? Going to cons and doing reviews? If I narrow it down, I might be able to set aside the time I need to get somewhere with it, but as of now I can't put all my eggs in one basket like I was before, especially when I'm just floundering around not knowing what path to follow to make any headway with this pursuit.
>>2317853
People talking about how shit I am in other languages that I can understand, tourists taking photos standing next to me as if I am an object and not a person, people directly saying bad things about the art, boring people who are well intentioned but won't shut the fuck up, people who stand in front of you blocking your view etc
>>2320700
I was doing this recently as well. It's a curious feeling. On the one hand, you know you are improving. But on the other hand, you know that whatever you're doing now will look equally as shitty to your eyes in the future. Does the cycle never end!?
The other thought it brings to mind is how the uninitiated, regular, everyday people must perceive art. If you weren't able to tell how shitty your art was prior to practicing and improving, the same must apply to the general population!
I suppose it's possible there's a bit of ego/self-protection involved. Like, when you're really terrible, you have to delude yourself into thinking that you're doing okay otherwise, you won't continue, especially as a fragile young person. That initial arrogance was required to get past the first baby steps.
Or something.
>>2320513
its not too late to paint them both, its what she wouldve wanted. That way they get to live through you.
>>2320853
Haha, are you me?
Comics is an evil mistress. It's sooo much easier just to make money doing illustration.
I've selfpublished a few comics. One through Kickstarter. It's still impossbile to get any money out of it, and the work is as hard as it ever was. I'm doing some commissioned comics for a writer, and I recently had to increase my page rate by 2.5X, and I STILL only make like $4.50 an hour. Illustration gets me $25 an hour.
I've only drawn studies and nothing from imagination because I'm scarred of how awful it will be. I haven't even drawn from imagination with references. I'm also afraid I'll never improve if I draw from imagination even with references.
>>2321599
Yeah see, this is the problem. I really, really and truly believe I'm meant to be drawing comics but that financial gap is seriously a problem. I'm afraid the only way I can actually do it as much as I want to is if I basically make porn doujin and even then there are always people who'll just pirate your shit and then what? I just don't know.
>>2321610
This is pretty much me, I can make some strikingly good looking drawings if I'm basically just looking at a reference and copying it down onto my paper, but the few times I've tried going straight from my imagination I mess it up, and now basically all I do is draw from reference.
The biggest thing I don't like about not having a reference is that when it looks wrong I can't figure out why, but when I've got something to compare it to I can usually figure it out.
>>2321618
Well, at least you know that since you won't make any money no matter what, you can just make exactly what you want to make.
>>2321644
You misclicked one of those quotes.
>>2321644
I'm scarred man, I hate seeing something that looks wrong but not knowing what is. I've tried drawing from imagination a couple of times and the results were pure shit. It hurts, I don't believe I could produce something decent from imagination.
>>2321644
pls don't bully
But really, I know it's a problem and I'm trying to branch out and work from imagination.
Also it's not like copying what you see doesn't still train some important skills for drawing.
>>2321654
drawing from imagination is something you train just like everything else so don't worry if you're bad at it now. i think what you have is called 'study sickness'. maybe spend a month or so drawing 99% from imagination and only looking up something when you have tried a lot but can't figure something out. you'd be surprised what you know from the studies but can't translate from your imagination just because you haven't accessed the information through that path
>>2321666
But what if I never improve by drawing from imagination?
>>2321666
I'll try drawing something from imagination everyday next month, I don't expect any of it to look that great but I hope it helps. Thanks for the advice.
>>2320513
You should draw them fucking, you filthy slut
>Used to draw all of the yaoi, all of the man pairings
>Terrible anatomy, such a weeaboo
>Finally grow up, get laid and get over it, take actual art lessons
>Become successful with my art, exhibitions/sales/new career years later
>My friends won't let me live it down and remind me of a yaoi fanfic I wrote once
>My parents found a stash of my old artworks and show everybody to make them laugh about the "gay porn" I used to draw
Why was I such a loser?
>>2321689
Everybody used to be a loser.
>i want to practice so bad but cant stop masturbating
I want to kick this addiction, its taking up all my time
>>2321692
I've never understood this, even if your beatin it 3 times a day, you should be able to pop one out fairly quick, how do you manage to use up all your free time just jerking off?
>>2321695
you can have a quick fap but you'll want to do it again right after. thats what takes up time.
>>2321669
>>2321683
you will improve if you do it a lot. try not to have high expectations and expect it to turn out bad. i doubt you want to be reliant on reference for the rest of your life.
also keep in mind that if you haven't inspected something that you want to draw before, don't expect to be able to draw it well. this video covers it well
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y41apH6pGsQ
I think I'm too stupid to ever get perspective. Even one point is too hard for me.
>join a gaming group like two years back
>chatting it up everyone is pretty cool
>do some funny fan art for our group
>some guy tells me I draw pretty group and he wants to become an artist
>alright i'll help ya
>link me his furaffinity account
>cringe a little but i don't want to dissmiss him just becouse he's a furfag thinking he might grow out of it
>tell him to learn fundamentals, sketch a lot etc.
>skype a few times, discover he is about 15 years old
>he's slowly improving, feel proud like a parent or something
>skype group breaks up do to drama one day
>both of us are kinda butthurt at each other we stop chatting
>be yesterday
>remember him and check his account
>he joined some kind of art circlejerk
>completely stagnated didn't improve at all
>took up a style of a fucking animator and draws actual art with it
>draws horribly ugly porn
>feel like complete shit becouse I didn't keep an eye on him and just left him to stagnate
dammit I knew I shouldn't have left him and I just know if I try to help him now he'll just wave me off as a hater or a "troll"
>>2321726
Do you have nightmares where his spirit resents you for lettim him die a yiff death?
Imagine it.
You will now.
>>2321726
theres nothing to feel sorry about
>>2321726
I love Burn Notice.
>>2321706
My main issue is I feel like I don't know enough yet to start drawing from imagination yet. Like (for example) I know jack shit about drapery and can't quite get my head around it. That's why I put off drawing from imagination.
>went to art school for 6 months at 21
>dropped out due to severe depression
>literally didn't pick up a pencil for 7 years
>hopped in and out of education system for years
>muh depression & social anxiety
>finally pick up art again when it gets better
>28, total shit, want to make my living with art regardless
>all that lost time
>3 months into drawing every day
>struggle to motivate myself every day
>motivation: promised to post daily to shitty 23-follower tumblr
>know in the back of my mind that I will be into my 30s before anything I produce will be remotely sellable
Just kill me.
>>2321812
Just kill yourself
>>2317152
The first time I tried to do a figure study I spent 3 days autistically rendering, trying to capture the photo perfectly.
>>2321651
You might be studying wrong. Focus less on copying and more on understanding. Understand the subject so you can draw it well from any angle.
>>2322205
that's fine, it's good to practice your observation and drafting that way. Just make sure you balance it out with looser sketches and things from imagination/construction.
>>2321651
Learn proper perspective and form building, use a lot of refrence material to improve your visual library.
It's not like you magically get to a point where you can draw w/e from your imagination. People who can already have massive visual libraries to draw from and a solid understanding of the fundamentals.
That feeling of not knowing what's wrong wont go away until you learn those though. Don't be scared anon you can do it.
>>2321812
Similar story.
>have depression (5/27), panic disorder, and a dissociative disorder
>go to college for art degree for 2 years.
>3rd year comes around and have 0 motivation
>doctor says I now have SEVERE depression (24/27)
>drop out of college due to this unholy condition
>back at home I start getting back into drawing, carpentry, painting, and building electronics
>after 6 months my depression finally starts to improve and am debating whether going back to school or not as I'm sure my depression was caused by being overwhelmed by stress from school (private school) and college for the first agonizing 20 years of my life.
tl;dr
College isn't for everyone, especially artists
>>2317152
don't be a faggot. cant even look at you the same way now OP.
>>2317152
OP, you are big faggot who sucks dick.
Abt a year ago I started posting shit on a tumblr blog and noticed that fanart gets you all the followers. I started posting fanart and getting lots of attention, now I feel like I can't post my real personal art for fear of it not getting notes. Everything I paint now, I just want to be able to turn it into fanart to get notes on tumblr. I'm having a really hard time stopping. My ego is addicted to the love + I hate myself for this stupid fanart obsession.
>>2323181
Just kill the blog and start over as a 0-follower account
>>2323181
Switch it up. Do personal stuff knowing it won't get tons of likes, but you've probably got at least a few followers that might like it anyway. Mix it in a little and do some of both.
>>2317255
Hitler was actually pretty good at watercolors, so probably you are. But don't feel bad, 95% of /ic/ is literally worse than Hitler.
>>2317255
A lot of people are worse than Hitler.
>>2323236
>>2323233
Gtfo
>>2319978
I do this too, but with faves and watchers on DA.
I treat it like a video game score. Post something that gets me 200 faves in the first 24 hours and 20 new watchers = huge success. Post something that only gets 60 faves = failure.
>>2319978
I think it's fine to want people to see your work, and see others respond well or be at least a little amused by whatever you draw. As long as you don't end up forcing yourself to draw things you really don't want to out of obligation. Art, even if it's done for the self, is still about communicating something.
>>2323218
Tbh this is the best reply I've gotten. I'm really tempted but actually started the blog to save my art so I couldn't delete it. I think I'm gonna sign out of it for a while and get back into the beauty of art instead of pictures of elves and shit. Thanks man.
>>2323243
I remember reading that the reason he couldn't get into art school is because he couldn't draw people, and the man he interviewed with told him to become an architect instead.
I can totally see why now.
>been working on a comic book for a few years.
>finally asked my fiancee for some insight and explained the story to her.
>threw some ideas my way and I came back with another draft which she thought was amazing.
>I told her I would then start working on a final draft and character designs.
>haven't brought it up to her since.
>get drunk one night and bring the comic book up, and she explains she's still wanting to see it.
>don't have the heart to tell her, I already finished the next steps and just don't want to do the comic book right now.
>focusing on actually getting better and planning to update/edit comic book as I progress in skill.
>she bugs me about it every now and then, so I just tell her I need more reference study for the characters and landscapes.
I like taking my sweet time, plus social/family obligations play a big part these last 4 months.
>>2319961
Are you me anon?
>Be weaboo fujo
>draw naked boys all over my paper
>my entire folder falls out of my bag and i don't notice
>Papers everywhere in the middle of the hall
>Only found out later when my friend told me she saw my stuff
>have to retrieve it from the office
end me
>be Neet
>never draw
>play league
>be Neet
>never draw
>play league
>be Neet
>never draw
>play league
>be Neet
>never draw
>play league
>be Neet
>never draw
>play league
>be Neet
>never draw
>play league
>>2323297
You can also start multiple blog pages under one account. I've been thinking of doing that lately because I love my fanart blog, but I recognize a need to separate my artsy stuff from it in some way. At least if they're still connected there's a chance the popularity of the fanart will spill over onto my non fanart, while leaving the artsy stuff uncluttered for people who only want to browse that.
>>2323375
> At least if they're still connected there's a chance the popularity of the fanart will spill over onto my non fanart, while leaving the artsy stuff uncluttered for people who only want to browse that.
Is there a way to find connected blogs or something?
>>2317853
Not the same anon but mostly the interaction is polite and brief, albeit somewhat boring and distracting. Only have had a handful of negative experiences.
Generally people think it's funny to come up in front of me and pose. I have a laugh and then go back to work, but sometimes they don't move and refuse to leave trying to persuade me to paint them. Sometimes they offer money to be painted. The ones who offer like a dollar are the worst, they expect you to be grateful for the offer and do whatever they say.
Another time I had my shit toppled over by an oblivious stranger. Idk what happened, I think she got shoved. Either way she refused to help set everything back up, and got pissy with me because she got paint on her jackets. Had to buy a new easel after that.
>>2323352
art is a garbage career anyway. better to not even waste your time.
>>2321610
>>2321623
>>2321651
>>2321654
>>2321669
>>2321683
I'll just repost my answer to a similar problem:
>Do shit you want to do
> Finish
>See problem
>Study on how to fix problem
>Draw problem area until it's easy to draw from ref then from imagination + from multiple angles, different lighting, different pose etc. Until you are comfortable with it.
>Try to simplify problem, then go into detail
>Apply what you learned in next piece.
>Repeat
Also don't get attached to anything and dont take anything as gospel, because there is not one "right" way to do things.
Congrats, you got gud
/thread
/board
>>2317152
i started drawing on lined paper stoned off my ass in a closet at 3am. fuck you i hope you choke on pizza and its so lodged in there they cant get it out and you have to be buried with it still in your throat you god forsaken piece of steak in skin cellophane
>>2323380
Well yeah, if they're all just under one account you can just turn on an option to show a link to your other pages next to the other automatic links like "archives" and whatever.
>4th or 5th grade in elementary school
>Used to bring video game manuals to class and draw the the artwork that was in them
>Mostly stuff like Mario, Kirby, etc.
>Eventually monetized the whole thing by selling my drawings to people in my class
>One day, this guy I knew who was somewhat nerdy asked me for a drawing
>Other kid overhears and pressures me to say no, since he didn't like that guy.
>Too much of a pussy at the time to say no to someone, so I don't draw him anything
>Guy looked pretty sad after
Still feel like shit whenever I think back to it.
>>2317152
Guy obviously doesn't know about art paper and was trying to be helpful.
Use it for sketches or something, he wants to support you, he just has no clue how other than to give you more paper.
As for me: don't draw enough and got hooked on drawing pretty much just cartoons for past few years while I Uni.
Either that or not pursuing art hard enough because I was scared about making money in life over doing something I loved
>>2323547
What if my problem is everything?
>>2317152
Stopped drawing twice in my life due to being autistic and depressed
both times I literally fucked myself in the ass, because I was so much better back then.
at least I've become less autistic.
what keeps me from drawing most of the time is the idea that i wont do it justice
especially if it's fanart
>Suck at drawing faces
>Try to construct with pencil, almost always looks like shit
>Obviously too scared to try using ink
>See a few kimjunggi videos
>Try using an ink brush with no sketch underneath, fuck it
>Draw better faces and figures than ever before
>Realize I just have to force myself to think before I draw any line, just visualize it in my head
Holy shit it was that easy all along
I traced porn for money.
>>2324694
I've made 500$ so far this month doing that. probably hitting 700$ by the end of the month.
>>2324700
How the fuck do you do that. It was a one time deal for me but I desperately need money now. How do you find interested ppl? The one gig I found was randomly found on 4chan.
>>2324756
>do you not get worried about 'tainting' your name?
Nah. Also - it's a great conversation piece.
I took a gap/existential crisis year before going to uni and decided to study physics instead of even attempting to put together a portfolio and try to get into an art course which was my original plan. I still don't know if I've made the right decision and am seriously contemplating making a push to go pro some way or another eventually in my far future.
I want to hardcore work on the basics and actually learn how to be better rather than just drawing every so often and wondering why I'm not improving, but I have to work really hard studying because I'm not naturally great at maths, so a lot of my spare time is eaten up by that.
I'm scared my life will go by and I'll never get back into art. As much as I actually enjoy maths and physics, art will always be my ~passion~ and I've still got that naive thought in the back of my head about doing art as a living despite me objectively sucking at everything I try even if I really like it. I'm afraid that even if I do git gud that I won't be able to deal with having it as work seeing as I never could put together that portfolio for a uni interview.
I also buy a load of sketchbooks but never use them.
>>2321689
>"gay porn"
>implying it's anything else
Fucking weaboos.
>>2324880
I was in a similar situation except I took computer science at uni and realised I didn't like it even though I had been good at maths and such all my life. I wasn't bad at programming but when I looked at my peers who were passionate and excelled it was obvious I was lacking the drive they had.
I dropped out and bummed around for a year, at the time I didn't actually know why I wanted to quit so badly but it became clear. Partway through that year I realised drawing is what I really wanted to do and I starting looking at courses and shit. I had to take a foundation year because I had no art qualifications needed for a university course, it was probably for the best skill-wise that I had that year.
Now instead of being an underachieving programmer I'm one of the top students on my animation course, not a massive achievement considering the dogshit most people make but whatever.
If you really want to make art and dedicate yourself to it you'll be fine. You have to draw every day and fill those sketchbooks anon. If you're scared of "ruining" them draw on printer paper.
I quit
>my "reference dump" folder has 6729 subfolders
how the fuck did this happen
>started studying art over 10 months ago
>it's giftmas and new years
>forced reflection time
>skill is still at shit-tier
>haven't completed a single render from imagination
>everything is just studies
>NEET
>losing sanity
>Visiting home from college
>Mom walks into room
>"What are you doing anon?"
>"Just practicing"
>Show her 30 sketchbook pages of just spheres
>she just walks out
>>2327206
inb4 v& to mental asylum
>>2327206
Pretty appropriate response from her. Doing 30 pages of spheres is a massive waste of time.
>>2326407
What helped to get me out of that is join fiverr.com and 99designs.
99designs can get depressing because you keep losing contests, but on Fiverr your "clients" are nicer. $5 drawings is a joke, not suggesting it as work, but it forces you to do different stuff and there's no stakes involved.
>>2327243
Fiverr itself is a joke, in that it takes a fucking dollar out of that, and paypal takes another fee, so you end up waiting 3 weeks to get 3 bucks and some change.
>started to draw years ago
>Only draw in profile
>Gits gud at drawing in profile
>Can only draw in profile
>Steadily lose confidence in skill
>Stop drawing altogether out of no confidence
How do I learn to stop drawing in profile/side view and begin to focus on more dynamic poses and subjects?
>>2317152
Posted work on 4chan
>>2327253
what do you mean 'how do I learn to stop drawing in profile/side view'? By not drawing in profile all the time m8. By choosing to draw different angles? Unless you're mindcontrolled or something, and in that case I'd speak with a supervisor.
>>2327267
I suppose I mean how to break out of a bad habit.
>>2325931
Bro legit interested in seeing this PLEASE upload.
>>2327276
It's just porn anon
>>2317152
He may be careless and ignorant, but that's fucking adorable. Marry him.
>>2327275
that's not a bad habit. it's more like a comfort-zone thing. So if you mean you default to profile because you feel like you suck at drawing heads in different angles, do lots of studies so you're more comfortable.
It's not like chicken-scratching, man. You make a conscious choice every time you place a head. People don't consciously choose to chicken-scratch. That's what makes for a bad habit. You do it without thinking. How do you pose a character without thinking about how you want to pose that character?
I think your bad habit isn't profile drawing. It's that you don't think while you're drawing. Pay attention to what you're doing. That'll stop the 'compulsive' profile drawing, and as a bonus, you'll improve faster too.
>Started trying to draw 3 years ago
>No method no book, some online tutorials
>Just draw things I liked, and maybe some exercises
>Look at progress three months ago
>Realize my work looks better but fails at fundamentals
>Start serious work on studies and fundamentals
>Cry internally when I think how much better I'd be had I started three years ago instead of fucking around.
The typical tumblr style of art sickens me, but I say nothing because many of my friends have picked up that style.
Are all tumblr artist in a competition to make the most dogshit 'unique' looking art, /ic/?
>be a vet
>lifelong love for making art
>a slew of diagnosis I'm no proud of
>SO has spent thousands of dollars over the years to support my passion
>I've got pissall to show for it.
I am a terrible artist, and I can't even bear to look at a pencil without wanting to stab myself. Sometimes thinking about it makes me physically ill. However, I have no other marketable skills and art is the only thing I'm remotely good at.
I want to go back to strengthen my fundamentals, but sometimes eating and bathing are herculean feats. My love for art has festered into a sour hatred of my lack of ability.
I want to git gud like the 13 year olds on the internet.
>>2330439
Post you amazing art style
I sometimes think my art skills put me at an advantage with the ladies
(I mean, they do, just, yknow, not by themselves.)
>>2318227
>Give up
See, that's the problem.
