Beginner Thread
Because we should not have to make new threads or post in draw threads with our fundamental exercises. Feel free to post even the smallest exercise you have done to show you are still trying, do not give up.
Do not forget to resize and crop your images before uploading them. 1kpx is fine.
→ → → → Before asking "what should I read/view/study/learn," consult the sticky: >>1579290 → → →
Questions go in the QUESTION THREAD
This is for posting studys & getting critique.
>Thread study: This one is rather advanced because its quite likely people here struggle even with a basic head drawing, but its nice to branch out sometimes. Try doing some different expressions, maybe fill a whole page with them -> simplyfication is the key for quick skecthing, capture what makes the expression unique.
TRY TO BE MORE ACTIVE AND GIVE PEOPLE SOME FEEDBACK - there are many studies left unreplied, which is bit sad and can be quite demotivating for the people that try their best to improve, but are left directionless.
Old thread: >>2308151
>>2311370
>>2311513
From the old thread. How does this look, am I on the right track?
Would drawing images from anatomy books then trying again from memory count as a good exercise? Doing that with Bridgman Drawing from Life.
>>2311900
No. Focus on getting proportion right with your drawing first. Don't forget to match the background value as well otherwise your subject's value will be off. For hair, focus on the whole thing by squinting hard. After squinting the value is about as dark as the background and only slightly lighter than her hoodie. The only light part appears at the top, not the individual strands on the side.
How do I draw sea? I've been wanting to draw the sea in Photoshop, using round and hard brush, but I'm unsure of how to proceed. Getting waves right seems really tough
>>2311911
Okay, thanks.
>>2311920
That stick isn't going to read itself.
Go look into it.
>>2311931
nice repost
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>>2311932
Hue hue hue. Still relevant, but yeah definitely a repost senpai.
Hi /ic/, I bought a drawing tablet a little over a week ago after deciding I wanted to practice digital art. I suck at art in general but I really love it and I know practice makes perfect.
Pictured above is kinda my first little thing I've done with the tablet so far. I was partially inspired by the Blood Moon from Bloodborne. The thing I'm having trouble with is figuring out how to put good shadows on the mountain, and I also feel like the picture as a whole lacks a lot of depth. Every time I've added to the picture, I'm not happy with the result. Any constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated.
>>2311953
Draw mountains, but draw them as squares and shapes first.
>>2311970
I'm not sure I follow?
Can't stand drawing from references on screen, printing is non-option. Any recommendations as to books or subscription magazines full of reference photos? Also, is it okay to study interesting poses from the drawings of others?
ohhhhWEOW
>>2311981
i put the refs on my phone, it just somehow feels better if you dnt have it on the same screen as you are drawing on and just mindlessly compying it, it forces you to think about what you are drawing little bit more since you can rotate your phone and shit
>>2311977
Sounds like you shouldn't be tackling digital or digital painting if you can't grasp simple objects yet.
Mountains are no different than anything else you see around you. Try practicing drawing a Cube and a Sphere and give it some value. Don't bother with your digital pad, so this on paper and pencil. Give your Cube depth, and shadow, as well as the sphere. Post results.
How do i get better
>>2311991
So you just gonna keep doing this shit and not listen to anything people tell you I guess?
>>2312005
I'm listening, honest. it just takes awhile for me to break habits.
I know the proportions are off, but I am working towards making them less off as I go along.
>>2312007
You're not listening, and honestly, you're not gonna improving. You should fix your attitude before even try to draw again.
>>2312010
how am I not listening?
Is this what you wanted to see? I'm being sincere here.
WHY THE FUCK ARE HANDS SO DIFFICULT TO DRAW
Everything was going okay-ish till now, but them fucking hands. Every millimetre I make wrong makes the whole drawing look like an alien.
AYYYYYYYY
>>2312013
You should try on those shapes. They are very, very rushed. Continue practicing cubes, then try to break down random objects around your house into shapes (like water bottles, cups, etc).
Don't rush it.
>>2312021
alright, that's all you needed to say. please don't say that I'm not listening, because I do listen to everything but sometimes I don't understand it.
>>2312007
Just absolutely stop drawing contours and muscles - you're not there yet, what you're producing right now is garbage. Draw gestures - don't rush to finish a ton of them, work on getting the rhythm of the body right.
Work with SIMPLE volumes after you're good with gestures and simplified poses. Block in the ribcage, hip, head, legs and arms as squares. Focus on how they are placed in 3D space.
Work towards achieving something similar to picture related. Note everybody draws gestures differently. Try different approached until you find one you like.
You also need to work on your hairy lines / chicken scratching. A good exercise is drawing 2 points and connect them with a single stroke. Hover over the motion a few times before putting the line down. More useful exercises you would benefit greatly from can be found here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk
>>2312019
>mfw I was like you two days ago until I learned a secret technique that simplifies the hand and makes you think of the whole and now I have a strong starting point and drew my first hand from imagination the way I wanted it to sit on my drawing.
Feels good man.
>>2312024
Everyone is telling you not to bother with figures and draw shapes. You've even been linked Peter Han's lectures several times.
>>2312025
you want it to be like the top set or the middle set or the bottom set? Also idk if this counts but I did this before starting the figure.
>>2312032
I learn things by doing them and also hearing what others have to say.
>>2312031
>secret technique
>>2312034
And I'm not telling you.
>>2312035
post your pictures of hands
>>2311991
Are you working from any resources or are you just winging it? You need to find a METHOD. That is step one. Follow some Proko videos, or go through the Loomis books, or hampton or whatever. Aimlessly drawing figures is not optimal. You need to find a method and do it over and over until you understand it.
At your skill level I would say you should start at the very beginning.
http://drawabox.com/
This is a great resource and you would gain a lot by going through all the lessons. By the time you are drawing figures again you will be much better at drawing.
>>2312037
>>2312033
are you not going to answer my question about which gesture drawings in that image you wanted it to look like?
Also I don't feel comfortable using things around my dorm, so I was using google images for this. I might re-do these half-cylinders, but I'm gonna follow what >>2312042 posted.
>>2311900
>>2311911
Is this any better, or should I just go back to line drawings for a while? I tried to pay more attention to proportion but I feel like I still fucked it up.
>>2312047
Stop with this. You're rushing. Stop. Rushing.
You're line quality is terrible. Actually work on these. Actually give it lightning that makes sense. What the hell is that smug on the side? The shadows? But even then, the lighting doesn't make sense on your drawing even though the answer is right in front of you. Cross hatch that shit!
Work on your shapes, watch Peter Han's lectures, stop trying to draw people. You cannot grasp the idea of drawing people right now. You can't. You're so fixated to drawing the detail and contour, you're not seeing the figure for what it really is. When a pro artists draw eyes, they don't "draw" eyes. They draw shapes. When they draw a face, they don't draw a face. They draw a bunch of shapes. You can't see these shapes cause you haven't even started training your eye.
Peter han. Now. Download. Watch. Do each lecture / exercise 15 times. Failure to do this, you WON'T learn.
>>2312038
No I made a vow not to post on /ic/ again until nobody can recognize me after I've improved more.
>>2312058
>Peter han. Now. Download. Watch. Do each lecture / exercise 15 times. Failure to do this, you WON'T learn.
link?
>>2312065
Draw a box is literally Peter Han's method but watered down. Peter's lectures can be found in the Book thread or CGpeers. Ask around if you can't find it in those threads.
>>2312047
I gotta ask, what do you think of your drawings? Do you feel they accurately represent what you are trying to do? Where do you think you're improving? Where do you think you're failing? keep rolling with the punches. you're gonna get there sooner or later.
>>2312075
I don't know if I can answer your questions at the moment. Sorry.
I'm a beginner at digital art and I'm trying to paint a cloud. My problem is that when I draw a shadow on the cloud, some of the shadow also gets on the background of the image. There should be some way to only paint on existing pixels, right? Thanks
>>2312004
if you thought about negative space you would have had a better product, youre completely ignoring some parts too(fins) so just pay more attention really.
>>2312059
send me the picture at [email protected] im curious
>>2312102
use the magic wand.
>>2312048
not any of the people youre talking to but look at the god damn angles, for instance, your shoulder is straight, hers is bent forwards, her forehead is vertical yours is going inwards.
>>2312048
you do what I do man, the areas that you haven't practiced drawing from imagination are more accurate than the head and it's probably because you're painting what you see with the rest of the body and you're accidentally starting to construct the face with the method you use to draw from imagination instead of just copying what you see
>>2311907
You don't copy the "what"-s you copy the "how"-s.
5 minutes
i tried really hard
>>2311870
Started shading my sketch of the bird from a little while ago. Too tired to finish tonight but might as well post progress. He's missing a leg because the leg was awful.
>>2312124
>>2312117
I think you're right. It looks like I accidentally rotated the face to the left because I've gotten too used to drawing that perspective. I tried to shave off some of the right side of her face to get it closer, but the result was just messing up the angles on that side. I'll look at angles more closely next time.
Thanks for the advice I think this helps.
>>2312137
Don't bother shading.
Work on the proportions. Break down the bird into shapes. Try in 3 parts. Head, Rib cage, and tail. Then connect the neck, and put out the legs. If the construction still looks off, do it again.
>>2312143
Is it not worth shading at all? I only started to because I was pretty happy with the proportions (not saying my proportions are perfect by any means - obviously as I removed a leg after I started shading). Is it better for me to avoid shading entirely while I'm still an absolute beginner?
>>2312149
You can shade, just understand line quality and construction is way more important than shading. If you can't get either right, then no matter how much you shade, it's going to look like shit.
>>2312152
Got it.
>>2312149
If you feel like shading then do it, it's not like it will have a negative impact, but the way your shapes, perspective and proportions are right now, you would benefit more from practicing them instead.
>>2311900
look at the background, the background is just as important
Where do I start? It seems like when someone posts something there's a million answers to where they should start improving, and I'm not sure where to go.
My end goal is really just drawing figures and adding basic detail, then improving on that and being able to draw from imagination and color (but I expect that's far into the future). I tried loomis for drawing, and I'm inconsistent with that at best. This is my second try on drawing a figure side-by-side.
So where should I start if I'm shit with even the absolute fundamentals?
>>2312169
Read the sticky
Peter Han is a godsend. It's p much the same as drawabox but it's still good. Thanks Peter Han anon.
>>2312182
If this wasn't /ic/, I'd say go with draw a box. But seeing as how it's possible to obtain Peter Han lectures here, kind of beats the point. Not to mention, the same places the Draw A Box guy visits are literally the same places Peter Han visits during lectures on what to draw.
>>2312169
'Loomis' is thrown around a lot here, but you'll actually benefit from his books. If nt fun with a pencil, some people find it more fun to dive into the figure drawing one.
Keys to drawing is also a good book to start with.
It looks like you had the beginnings of some good construction - you should try and trust those more :)
>>2312185
>possible to obtain Peter Han lectures here
Where abouts? I know there are demos up on youtube but is there full lectures somewhere I'm not aware of?
>>2312182
Replying to myself (also that one anon from earlier), but should I post my practice here as an imgur album or is that not necessary at this point? It's basically just a bunch of scribbles.
Shit didn't see this new thread.
Anyway this is what I posted in last thread by accident.
>>2312258
Also here's some more recent doodles...
>>2312019
Think of it as blocks and cylinders first. Then a hand. Literally just look at a skeletal hand.
>I finally figured out hands after imitating big daddy ed roths style and drawing rat finks hands a bazillion times..... Funy huh?
What needs work here?
proportions a bit off, but how's my hues?
>>2312135
I like this
Any good tutorials of any kind on how to draw clothes and simplify them?
>>2312291
The head is okay, try to achieve the same quality in the body, also define the feet.
>>2312311
Just read the sticky
Literally impossible that mouth is like that, you're completely ignoring details, same with eyes, super simplified because you arent looking
>>2312130
draw in form rather than in lines, also, all your porportions are off. Also, dont think about the time, dont say 5 minutes, also maybe loomis.
Tell me how I can learn to draw shit like this.
Just redline my shit up senpai
>>2311999
Ok so 10 hours later........ Just from doing this, I've learned a few things
1. How do I not have 1 pencil in my house......
2. I'm having trouble seeing the depth in just about everything I draw... I'm not sure if this is because I'm blind in one eye and have trouble with depth in real life or if it's something I have to learn.
3. I should establish where light is coming from BEFORE drawing shadows.
Light source is supposed to be slightly behind the cube
why didnt you draw her standing straight?
>>2312424
cuz i can
>>2312399
Good shit, keep writing notes after each study and you'll improve faster.
advice/critique pls?
>>2312433
I can tell you that the perspective on that gun in her right hand is off. The handle seems to be perfectly in profile, but the tube thing is drawn as if it is pointing away from the viewer.
Can't really say anything else, other than maybe try to use less soft brush.
>>2312399
Cubes are needed to understand in order to make your mountains more believable. Mountains are just a bunch of of cubes, learning how to draw one will teach you how to draw many.
A lot of things wrong with this image, and it has nothing to do with the depth. Line quality is awful, values making very small sense, and your cube isn't in perspective.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uEtdDvK6Xo - This is a good video to watch and understand.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgDNDOKnArk - Practice your line work
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7O7-EU4bgg - How to render / draw rocks
Once you understand how to draw a cube, you can draw rocks. Once you can draw rocks, then you can draw mountains. Alphonso Dunn also has a "how to draw mountains" as well, but you need to first understand how to draw rock and perspective.
Also read "Perspective Made Easy" by Ernest R. Norling
Okay, I've got a long post ahead.
I always drew as an escape from school work. Whenever I handed in a paper, it was riddled with drawings and stuff. Now that I'm out of school, I want to draw again, but I've crippled myself with a 'style' of same-faces and shitty work.
I've looked at the sticky and I've gathered some books, but I'm really confused where to take the first step. Honestly, what am I supposed to do from the start? When I look at the sticky, it gives me, like, one thing to do and some books and I don't understand the progression.
Practice, practice practice, I assume, but do I just read the book chapter by chapter and do the things it's teaching, just over and over until I get it?
Do I pose work in these threads and ask for critiques and take those and work with them?
Much help, thanks.
>>2312471
The sticky offers 2 books for beginners. Read one or the other doesn't matter. Most will tell you to do Keys to Drawing. Just read it, the book basically commands you what to do and gives you plenty of insight on your exercises.
any critique please?
>>2312478
Will do, thanks for the follow up.
What am I doing right or wrong?
>>2312507
By not reading the sticky.
>>2312516
I did read sticky I'm doing loomis and left side of brain and drawabox. Pls just tell me something I feel like I'm drowning in a ocean of knowledge and unobtainable skill.
>>2312529
Those look really small, I'm a shitter still, but you might have more ease if you draw them larger than that. (looks to be less than 4 inches across)
>>2312507
Too old. Little girls are the best girls.
>>2312533
they are like an inch and a half wide each, I wanted to fill a whole page of different angles but I didn't finish it yet I move to something else.
I have a feeling I'm not doing gestures correctly. This is after reading ch 1-2 vilppu drawing manual and first 30 mins of vilppu gesture video (sorry for shit quality and lighting)
>Had fine motor issues as a kid
>19 or so years later, try doing the "draw a line and then 8x freehand it" exercise
>issues start popping back up again
Anyone have any experience with this?
>tfw can't render cloth at all
does anyone have any helpful tutorials for cloth or material rendering?
can't do it for shit
>>2311931
how do I learn to draw the lines in hair like that?
doing the funnel exercise and having some difficulty with it. Really hard for me to get ellipses at different angles.
just did this based on chapter 3 of drawabox and https://www.flickr.com/photos/106092850@N03/10393969153/ . Not sure if I'm doing it right, though.
>>2312616
you cant do anything for shit
>>2312806
You're not.
Creating the shapes with a marker if needed, then draw over them with a .3 ink. Also, work on creating shapes and line quality before creating that cactus. You've skipped some studies.
>>2312828
Well I did do them, I just probably didn't do them enough. Also I don't have any markers on me at the moment, and probably won't for at least the next week or so.
I am also >>2312681 and am still having trouble with the funnels.
[spoiler]Also I may or may not still have fine motor issues that contribute to my line quality. I had them when I was very young but idk if they're still in me. I sure hope /ic/ has spoilers.[/spoiler]
>>2312806
>>2312681
I guess I might as well post some other parts of my practice for ConCrit and to see if I'm doing them right or not.
http://imgur.com/a/XnmZR was posted in reverse order for some reason.
>>2312864
Oh I should mention that also with the freehanding line exercise, I rotated the paper at multiple angles in order to practice drawing lines from multiple angles.
Hi, is this a step in the right direction? What do you think?
>>2312930
Reference! "Dama con ermellino" by Leonardo Da Vinci.
Okay /ic/, how do I get better? why does my study look like crap?
>>2313000
Bad values, edges, and drawing. Spend more time on it and correct it so it looks like your reference. You need to build your observational skills more, so spend more time and effort on this.
>>2312864
I'm still unsure if I'm doing these the right way.
>>2312483
Men dont have tits
>>2313037
You're not. Slow the fuck down.
The reason why your lines are jumping like that is because you're going to quick. Go very slow. If you see small humps in your lines, that means you're going TOO slow. Go faster.
Finding that "in-between" for your speed is key. Once you find that in-between, then you can work on going faster. It's gonna take a while to find it, tho.
>>2313056
Thank you.
when I did those exercises, I noticed that if I moved my eyes away from the line for even a fraction of a second, it would veer off for a bit. Some of those lines were also due to the sketchbook moving or there being bumps in the page.
>>2313064
I took peter han's class and made the exact same mistakes. Go slow as fuck if you have. Like REALLY slow. But like I mentioned, when you go too slow, you get those very small mini wobbles on your lines. When that's the case, go a little faster. Speed will come in time. Your objective is to keep Steady, it has nothing to do with speed.
>>2313068
alright.
again, thank you.
here's one of the exercises i didn't post in the imgur album, so that this thread isn't just clogged with text posts.
Sorry about the size, is this good value?
>>2313083
Post results of your shapes with contour lines only. Try to get more than one shape on your page (about 4) and take that picture. Post results.
>>2313000
because you are a mudmixer
What would be the best way to practice from imagination?
>>2311187
Here's my go.
Is it too muddy? Any advice?
>>2312546
>>2313048
A little direction would have been nice, but after finishing the 2nd half of the video and copying what he was doing while he was doing it, it gave me a better idea of what I should be "feeling".
Pic related is obviously better, but also obviously flawed. Am I going in the right direction?
>>2313257
the entire point of a contour line is to show it wrapping around the form, giving it a 3d look. You look like you're simply just adding more lines for no reason.
Gesture drawings is a bit much for your current level, you need to grasp the idea of drawing first. Read Keys to Drawing, since it'll answer more about contours, and among other things.
>>2313240
I think doing some simple cartoony stuff would be a good start. Do those cheesy "how to draw a bird in five steps" tutorials. Add excercises for understanding volume. Proko, Vilppu, Scott Robertsson etc.
This is a good site aswell: http://drawabox.com/lesson/1
Basically, you need to learn how to draw interesting shapes, and how to translate those into perspective (form drawing).
>>2313281
I think, more so specific, in how to go about drawing from imagination. Do I look at something, look away, and try to draw said object/image best from memory? I'm assuming that's the best approach, correct?
>>2313285
That'll improve your visual memory, which is important.
Understanding basic shapes and construction is vital, though. If you can simplify an object, you can remember it considerably better, and you can far more easily rotate and adjust it in your head.
For the same reason, knowledge of human anatomy is really important if you want to draw people. And knowing the 'anatomy' of your subject matter in any case - how it works and why it works that way - lets you intuitively apply it. If you don't understand it, your imagination drawings will inevitably have flaws. If you're just memorizing pictures, even if you get really good at best you'll be able to conjure certain poses from memory.
>>2313292
I mean, I understand all that. My only question is; what is the best way to practice from imagination?
I'm assuming you would think of, say a bird, then draw it right out in any position? Like no visual image what so ever? Never bothered attempting drawing from imagination, people say it's important. Was never sure how to go about it.
>>2312483
You should post in the porn thread instead.
I tend to have an issue where I make objects or figures too wide. Even after telling myself "draw more thin", it comes out too wide. Not even talking about the body, just overall shapes (head, arms, legs come out to wide, etc).
Any advice?
>>2313345
just keep restating until you won't need it. Accuracy comes with practice.
>>2312433
The rendering is very good.
Don't use copy paste for the legs especially if the hips have an angle.
It's a nice piece of art ;-)
>>2312507
Construction. I have the same issue than you and it's hard to fight. If you flip the picture horizontally, you will see the issue in the construction (it's easier to flip with digital picture than with pen and paper, but you can use your smartphone)
>>2311870
i can't figure anything out
i can't understand HOW to start drawing
like its all a mystery and i don't even know where to begin
i've read some books and stuff but i still don't get it. i've been lazy, been trying to learn, but doing my own thing for 4 years now hoping i pick up something or learn what not to do.
but i'm at my wits end. all i got is a tablet phone to use for a canvas and an art app. i can't use paper, i don't print shit believe it or not and i haven't had paper for years now.
>>2313303
People keep giving you advice and you keep asking the same question again because it doesn't seem to be the advice you're looking for.
So sure. Think of a bird and draw it right out in any position, if that's what you want. Otherwise you can try and apply some advice and look at some birds, reduce them to basic shapes, and then apply those shapes in different poses. You can render afterwards, and people frequently use reference for details even when drawing poses from imagination.
I swear to fucking god if you answer "Yeah but like... How do I draw from imagination?" again I'm just going to write you off as a lost cause. That is how. Learn construction. Learn how the things you're trying to draw work. Study them, understand them, and know how to build them. Don't expect a bird to just pop out of your imagination if you apply some ancient Chinese imagination drawing secret.
>>2313466
pic related.
And go to the fucking store and buy a pack of printing paper. If you can't be assed to step out your door for 20 minutes and grab some really basic supplies you're not going to be assed to spend the literal years required to attain proficiency in art. Go get printing paper. Can't afford printing paper? Go get a job and stop worrying about hobbies until you can support yourself enough to afford like five fucking dollars for 500 sheets of paper. Get a pencil, or a bic pen. This is a really small financial investment and it'll do you better than trying to draw on your damn phone.
From then, just draw. If the books are just mumbo-jumbo to you right now (I had a hard time with Loomis when I started) watch videos - Sycra, Proko, whoever, there are resources in the sticky. If Proko confuses you you've got more to worry about than learning art. A lot of other youtube artists make beginner level tutorials as well.
And just draw. Get some mileage, instead of fretting over the most efficient way. You'll find your strengths and weaknesses as you go and from there you will start knowing where to look resource wise.
hey bois got recently into drawing. i'm about to post a few completed sketches of mine. tell me what you guys think.
>>2313516
getting to know line weight, making art-deco style sketches
>>2313518
of ref
>>2313520
first throw of an elf lady
>>2313475
Anon, you're retarded with possible brain dead. Not asking for advice, just wondering how to approach the method. Nothing more. A question that could be answered in less than 10 words. Stop pretending like you're this guy who's the ultimate teacher, and giving more way info than what is necessary, when only a very simple statement was asked. No specifics.
>>2313521
that's horrendous
>>2313576
Every single one of those people gave you pretty good advise on how to do what you asked.
Another simple answer would be to just start drawing shit from imagination and as soon as you notice you dont know how something looks look it up, study it, then try again.
Drawing from imagination would be the best way to practice drawing from imagination.
>>2313617
Anon, why are you upset? This a chill thread. We all need to chill and do our art.
anyone got a link for dynamic sketching w/ peter han?
>>2313668
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=it%27s+literally+the+first+result+on+google+you+faggot
here you go
>>2313689
a link where i don't have to pay $699 would be better
>>2313576
Sounds like you already fucking know what you want then. I sure as shit have no clue what the hell you're on about.
Think of a squirrel and draw it. Happy? Fucking moron.
>>2313708
People say it's in the books thread and CG peers (both semesters). But CGpeers only has the workshop videos, not the actual lectures. I'm guessing people are getting them confused? I know an anon here uploaded the entire 1st semester a while back in a draw a box thread. It was a great download.
>>2313257
practice forms because you manage to still be drawing stick figures. Just google cylinders and cubes and draw them. Try to do some from imagination.
Have you read the sticky?
Also boost your timer to 5 minutes per pose until you have a decent grasp.
>>2313521
I like it despite being horribe because the changes required to make it ok-ish arent that big. Work on your lines of symmetry(having the two end of the lips/eyes be on a single line) as well as general proportion (have the face be less elongated/have your lines be more elegant) and you'll be fine.
Wht i REALLY do not approve of however, is your eyelashes. Eyelashes go FORWARD, and since the eye is rounded it goes to the left on the left side and to the right on the ride side and seen from the side view, its goes completely forward, the eyelashes going towards you lose their lengths because theyre going in perspective towards you, but are thicker one by one. I recommend Sycras video on eyes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBadnTAzQFc
>>2313755
before this becomes a problem people please dont post on the fact that i simply reformed with transform tool. Every single time I do it someone complains, its fucking stupid.
Can anyone recognize this person?
I needed almost 2 hours for that thing.. how long should it usually take? I know that speed shouldn't really be something to worry about for someone as new as me, but 2 hours is just.. fuck.
>>2313770
If that is DiCaprio then cool.
>>2313770
2 hours isn't bad, I've spent upwards of 8 on portraits
>>2313770
don't worry about speed, it always comes with practice
>>2313809
depends. 2 hours is fine if you're not used to doing portrait studies..but as you gain more experience you should aim to cut that time down or do more in that time. imo, if youre spending a lot of time laying down the so to speak 'foundation' (i.e. pre-rendering) then u should reevaluate how you're spending ur time.
>>2312059
I knew you were lying
Drew this from this reference: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/t9CXmEUwvgM/maxresdefault.jpg
Tips?
>>2313859
Read the sticky.
How important is learning something really realistic versus learning animation? I know Life Drawing is very important, but I ask simply because I know classes at my school that teach both subjects. Problem is, speaking to both teachers on the subject, they talk about it as though you should only learn one way or the other and that it's redundant to take both classes at once.
I'm usually told and read that drawing from Life is important. However, to make those things from life look "really realistic" with in depth value, texture, etc... is it that important if you want to learn animation? Just wondering.
reposting from other thread
https://mega.nz/#F!2RARFaLA!VTiQb6eRXfV4V6mYQ6FJTA
>>2313859
missing ear, eye shapes are off, face shape is off, collar is all wrong, lined paper
its not terrible but its pretty bad
>>2313859
now take some expressions from the OP and apply them to that character of yours
>>2313950
delicious and nutritious
What are some good sites for gesture drawing/study? I was using pixelovely, but it started looping through a lot of the same poses after 40 some images.
>>2314019
http://www.quickposes.com/gestures/random
Quickposes is one. There's croquis cafe on youtube and also the New masters academy channel that has some gesture sessions as well.
I'm trying to get back into drawing, after not doing it seriously for years. Just starting with some basics. Any advice on how to improve?
>>2313092
Was studying for finals after you made your post but I'm working on it right now.
>>2314019
What does gesture drawing help improve?
http://imgur.com/a/KtRZm some pages from my fundamental practice today. Went much slower with the freehading lines exercise, but that still didn't fix some issues. With practice makes better, I guess.
>>2314057
gesture
>>2314058
Try something more simple.
Draw a cylinder, and draw contour lines around that. Draw a lot of cylinders and keep doing that. If you need a visual of this example, grab a bottle water, toilet paper roll, whatever, and wrap a rubber band around it.
I've been learning hampton's and Loomis's approaches for drawing faces, but I'm having a hard time reconciling the construction and actually having it be an accurate depiction of the subject. Anyone's help or thoughts about that is really appreciated.
>>2314064
are you saying that in relation to the funnels exercise or the shapes with contour lines? I just want to make sure.
>>2314072
You need to give those shapes a more 3D feel. Right now, those shapes carry no form because you've yet to give them any. However, that's simply because you don't know how.
>>2314057
Also general form, eye tracing, with bad photos your ability to see value, your anatomy perspective on difficult poses,etc.
All drawing helps you across multiple skllsets but gesture lets you get flow and i think its unique in that way.
>>2314080
I will say, Gesture helped me a lot. I remember struggling with proportions. But after hours on end of gesture drawings, it's a lot easier now.
>>2314066
>>2314081
Is this a better size?
>Try to do Hampton
>No idea what he's saying
>Confused, feel like giving up
>Read sticky
>Do peter han stuff
>Learn perspective
>Draw a lot from life
>9 months later, read up Hampton again
>Literally, everything is clicking for me
Holy fuck, I had no idea how much of an eye opener everything was. Struggled with people cause I just wanted to draw people. Guess we all gotta start on step 1, huh?
>>2314096
>>2314093
>>2314074
Yeah but its like
Why are cylinders so hard.
>>2314108
Also one of my pens was running out of ink and that's why it's all chicken scratched.
>>2314108
You need to carefully get a sensation of the smooth curves of the cylinders... and circles...
When going from top to bottom in an arc, initially slow, then faster, then slow down again.
And let the pen or pencil drag along the paper's surface to properly render it without going over and ending short
>>2314108
Buy generic Bic pins and make sure they're Cristal with black ink. There a right size for what the exercises you are trying to do work. Don't waste money on those pens since you're just starting. For that matter, don't ever use those pens unless you're working on something you REALLY want to make look good. Even pros use bic pens to show off their illustrations.
Anyways, it seems like you can't grasp perspective. Have you read "Keys to Drawing"? If not, you should read it. If you have... look up Perspective Made Easy. Otherwise, youre gonna have a very difficult time with this.
>>2314114
Are you sure you're fine with cubes? Post your cubes. You may not be drawing them correctly.
>>2314116
>>2314118
A lot of those cubes are not in proper perspective. It's like, you've heard of the word perspective, but don't know what it is. Read up on Perspective Made Easy, as it'll help you with both cylinders and your cubes. Also read Keys to Drawing to understand... how to draw.
>>2314122
I know what vanishing points are and how they work. I'm just not the most precise with my lines.
>>2314123
Regardless, read those books.
>>2314126
I'd like to as much as the next person, but honestly I'm not very good with reading books for drawing. With drawabox.com I skip the "learn" section for the most part and go straight to the exercises, and that's why I like it so much. If you have any exercises I can do to learn how to draw cylinders in perspective, I would greatly appreciate it.
>>2314128
Some people like learning the hard way. Remember, you need to draw smart, not hard. There's a lot of people out there who never grow from their drawing abilities.
Best we can offer in this case is this:
>>2314064
Otherwise, you're still missing step 1 - 5. Those exercises are basically step 6.
>>2314133
they're at the edges of the horizon line.
>>2314150
Start from the beginning. Continue tomorrow.
>>2314154
I want to figure this out tonight though.
>>2314156
Not possible with your current knowledge. You'll be lucky to figure this out within the week.
>>2314104
yes, and heres for you what i think you need most.
>>2314161
Also i think this was made by an anon, if so, can i have permission to edit this ( because youre terrible). If not response, do you think it's okay to just change this up a bit because the person didnt leave a signature.
>>2314161
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I don't have a great eye for perspective and stuff yet, but I'd say I'm pretty close to okay at copying/following contours. I think what happens is I basically set up the ball/jaw/feature placements and it's not really true to the subject, and then I don't really know what to do. Do I just need to pay more attention when I'm setting up? Is the construction supposed to be explicit or is it just an aid for copying? Again, thanks for the help.
>>2311870
>>2314168
Love the construction on the faces. What are your studies?
Am I going about this the right way?
>>2314180
these office pens are really shit, btw. I'm gonna get some felt tip ones for crimmus.
Well, this is my first time drawing anything besides doodles. I know I'm still incredibly far off even beginning to receive critique, but I still feel like posting it, even if it's for the sake of posting.
It's the upside-down Igor exercise from the sticky, if anyone didn't know that.
>>2314161
I came here last week asking for this but never got it thanks for posting it. I wasn't reading that whole damn book
>>2311870
>>2314180
almost! the two on the top and the one on the bottom right are fine, but the horizontal one on the bottom left has something funky going on. if you were shooting for some two point perspective, you'll have to establish a second vanishing point on the horizon line and have the horizontals converge toward it. here you have them converging at some arbitrary point below the horizon line, for some reason!
if you weren't going for two point perspective and you were just trying something new, then feel free to ignore this. keep on keeping on, my dude.
>>2314189
>that hand
I'd say give it up, drawing's obviously not for you.
Is there an Hampton style book for animals? Or better yet, has he done something on drawing animals?
>>2314218
thank you so much.
But yeah, it was 1pt. I marked where the Vanishing point was on the paper, even.
>>2314229
yeah! i got that the top two and the one on the bottom right were one point, but that drawing on the bottom left just seemed like you were shooting for two point.
>>2314229
not the same anon, but it seems like you have it contained in the box that is headed to one perspective point (the lines done in pencil) and then you have a second vanishing point done in pen for the cylinder. All vanishing points should be on the horizon line, and having one in the middle of the page not on the horizon line is very confusing. The lower left object, given the horizon line you've drawn that all of the other objects are in reference too, is not a cylinder but a truncated cone.
>>2314238
well that one in particular ended up being a truncated cone because I messed up some of the scaling. I just decided to complete it and make it a cone. but yeah i get what you're saying.
>>2314104
>>2314161
>>2314166
Here are some more. I'll work more on drawing from life and training my eye for sure, I realize there's no silver bullet. Any major problems other than that? (ignoring my shitty attempts at rendering)
>>2314270
DRAW BIGGER
with that space you can get at least 2 heads
and draw the neck too
>>2314270
Honestly theres just a subset of things I refuse to help people with, and thats copying pictures in small format, such a fucking chore. If you apply yourself a lot on a single picture or do an original ill help, or else just use digital layering to see your mistakes.
>>2314193
>>2314161
Fuck Everyone I'm going ahead and remaking this shit in a more abridged format because whoever wrote that is mentally retarded.
>>2314189
Yeah I know it, its the exercise that sets you up to fail.
seriously I would never expect anything out of it.
>copy a stylized old man upside down
Move onto something you like drawing, or something constructive.
i.e. Anatomy, gestures, how to study from references, perspective.
Did this kinda thing
>>2314496
work on your faces
>>2313755
big thanks! you're really helpful. Thanks for pointing out those things/ :)
you know, people like you are the reason I frequent this board.
>>2314496
Is that thing he's holding meant to be a golf club?
crits please
>>2314596
No. It's more like a metal/pole thingy. No idea actually
>>2314613
Nice hitler mustache
>>2314638
cant unsee now, fuck.
>>2314590
>people like you are
All 7 of us are happy to contribute.
>>2314613
HEIL
I've lost all creativity. If someone tells me what to draw I can draw it, but if I try to do something for myself my mind goes blank. What the fuck is going on.
>>2312291
S bretty gud :DDDDD
>>2314636
If you don't know what it is, how are we suppose to know what's going on?
So it's just a guy, holding a something. For what purpose?
It could have been a warrior with a lance. A golfer with a club. A monk with a staff. A wizard with a really long pipe.
You have improved with the feet, but are still lacking in other areas. The whole thing feels dull because you were just putting things in the page.
Do practice fundamentals, and having a direction when drawing will really strengthen things.
You got this, bro.
http://imgur.com/a/zvzSX more cylinder/cube practice (cubes are in pencil) along with some contour forms again. Photos are in reverse order. Thank Imgur.
Found old acrylic paints from my coffins and decided to try traditional art for a chance.
I will have to invest in to better brushes...
>>2314833
These threads are dead around this time of day (2PM EST until nighttime) for some reason...
>>2314833
>that stagnation
I always wondered how this happened. Seeing this anon's post, it makes sense why.
>>2314917
what?
