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I bet you were so excited to put your work as the OP image
>>2300568
Too concerned with the rendering. You've lost sight of the whole thing--just look at how nothing relates to each other, how awkward the pose is, how the proportions are off, the face doesn't match the body, the feet aren't planted on the ground etc.
>>2300570
maybe if you draw, you'll have something that you'll be excited to share with us as well :^)
>>2300574
I draw plenty, its just that Firez is shit
>>2300568
took anons advice and started thumbnail size first before zooming in and it was helpful. about four hours so far. will finish tomorrow.
>>2300582
buttocks face strikes again
>>2300601
Zorn is bae, and so are you!
tell me if this is shit, i recently started doing things when they cross my mind
>>2300601
nice so far! perspective on the glass is fucky though
>>2300643
There is actually a thread specifically for alternative art and stylization. This one is more traditional stuff and emphasis on fundamentals.
>>2300656 Aw shit, sorry for bothering!
>>2300657 Aw shit, sorry for bothering!
>>2300656
thank you. and yes, the glass it is quite fucky. the hands and glass were the last thing I worked on for the day.
>>2300666
All good, and nice trips!
>>2300568
how is she not falling off
now that the head is fixed the eyes are more balanced
>>2300731
>the head is fixed
she still kind of looks like she has no cranium but it's just stylized enough to work out.
trying to practice planes and form. drew some fruit. i think this drawing is actually a big step in the right direction. there is so much to remember when you're drawing!
>>2300747
>once again absolutely no attention paid to form
>>2300699
It seems like the art style is trying to compense the lack of knowledge of fundamentals, but it works on the dog. The problem is everything else, specially the castle: the art stlye suddenly dissapears there.Also your humans seem to lack legs.
>>2300699
>>2300731
Damn, that's cool. Keep it up.
>>2300749
this entire drawing is me paying attention to form. fight me irl
>>2300601
What's the size of your canvas for thumbail?
>>2300764
All you care about is your rendering gimmick. By the haphazard way you laid those hatching strokes so that they don't actually describe the form and structure of the fruit, or the plate, and how the apple in the front looks more like a cake donut, it's pretty evident you didn't actually observe enough to accurately capture the forms of any of those objects.
>>2300768
dude if that's how you actually think about improving your artwork how do you ever get anything done? if you don't get it right the first time it's not worth the effort to try again? I'm not trying to have a rendering gimmick I'm just trying to find a way to approach drawing that makes my paintings better, like everyone else on /ic/
>>2300764
>fite me irl
>>2300772
You have a problem with absorbing information objectively. I didn't say anything about not trying again, what I said was to observe what you're drawing. Really observe it. If you don't get it right, absolutely do it again. And again, and again, until it is right. Then, when you can draw something as you see it, you can start playing around with styles and abstractions. Until you do that, everything you draw is going to look like it has no underlying structure and it's melting. I drew this when I was 2 years younger than you are now. It's definitely not perfect, but it's not about achieving perfection. It's about being as observant as possible & learning to use those strokes to convey what you observe, rather than rushing through it and filling in gaps with what you think the object looks like & how you think hatching should be used. If you actually want to get better, push yourself to really draw what's in front of you, and use the hatching to show form.
>>2300783
Not him but I really tihnk you a're full of shit. The drawing looks fine to me and you don't point what's exactly wrong, all you do is
>M-MUH FUNDAMENTALS.
Like the typical d/i/ck.
Are you insecure, anon? you like to say inane stuff on the internet so people go "woow, that anon sure knows his shit!". It seems you'd be like that.
>>2300783
Dayum anon that hand is flawless. I can actually see the tendons and muscles and bones. Interesting shadow play as well. I'd love to see some of your finished work
>>2300787
I gave specifics on what's wrong with the picture. I pointed out how the structure on the plate and front apple don't look believable, and that the hatching isn't describing the forms. Hatching works best when it follows the contours of the form and wraps around; look at the bottom middle of the lemon, and top right corner of the front apple - the hatching there follows no flow, and gives a muddled sense of whatever kind of light and shadow is supposed to be there. I could go into more detail, but it really doesn't matter if you don't listen to me, or believe me that careful observation is absolutely necessary for good painting and drawing, at least the type you claim to want to do. I only wanted to take one chance at explaining what the problem is with your work and how you can overcome it. I have no stake in it, it's not my art on the line.
>>2300793
Thanks, it's not flawless but it shows what I needed for the example.
>>2300794
Please explain why (the hand)
>>2300797
I told you I wasn't him.
The only thing I could point out being off is the plate, but that's about it.
People learn art in different ways and the way he tries to convey with hatching is his own business. It's not wrong to do it however he pleases, if it isn't the method you'd follow, then that's your problem.
But for me, an observer, the drawing looks good. I can understand what I'm seeing and I think it's good for practice.
You're not evaluating an expert, but someone who's just trying to figure out planes and form. He'll get a good hang of it if he keeps doing it, but for someone who's doing it for practice, it looks great,
The potential is there and I think you fags ignore that way too often, since you don't even bother to mention the pros, all you focus on are the cons.
But what can I expect? d/ic/ks are like that.
>>2300800
As the person who drew it, I can already tell you a few things. The top knuckle is way out of place, and the meat or heel of the hand by the pinkie is too stunted, should've been a bit longer. The thumb should technically be at more of a 180 degree angle too. This was from a live model, not a photograph, so I amalgamated a lot of vantage points in a strange way, which is where I think most of the errors come from. Still, the observation and use of hatching is there, not masterful, but enough to demonstrate what I mean and that I'm not just saying this stuff to this guy without believing in it and experiencing it for myself.
>>2300808
you know what would really help though is a drawing you've done in pen. cause pencil hatching and pen hatching are totally different skills. also perhaps just entertain the possibility that the way i crosshatch and the way you crosshatch are totally different. like this hand i did last month for example. completely different stylistically from yours.
>>2300812
if mine looks good, and yours looks good, at some point what we are talking about is who has better taste, and that's not something we're gonna settle on a 4chan image board.
the bg came out looking bad, but it looked decent as i was working on it. oh welp
>>2300812
>>2300814
I only posted my drawing to demonstrate what I meant and show that I've actually practiced what I preached, not to get into a dick off with you. You post here, on a critique board, presumably to get critique, but whenever someone gives you any, you immediately try to pick a fight. I've seen what you do in other threads and I'm not gonna be the one to get into that, I've already done too much going this far. I've said what I had to say about your work, looking at these I feel the same, and have nothing else to add. If you change something from this point forward I may have something else to say to you, but while you're doing the same things, I'll have the same critiques, and I'm not going to repeat them again and again. All the best to you.
How bout i turn up the heat
>>2300765
about the width of my thumb. I zoomed out an image that is 912x1024 pixels to 16.7%, which is 152x171 pixels with a 1900x1200 desktop resolution on a 15" screen which ends up an image that is about 20% wider than the width of my thumb.
>>2300823
>I only posted my drawing to demonstrate what I meant and show that I've actually practiced what I preached
you posted a flimsy drawing of someones hand you did in light ass pencil. post a pen drawing that demonstrates what you are talking about because like i said pencil and pen aren't the same thing. i can't even see the hatching because the paper is so textured. it all looks smudged together. like what is that shadow the fingers curled in is casting? that looks ridiculous. you don't represent the entire top plane of two of the fingers. the finger pointing up has literally no lines wrapping around the form or describing the planes.
like i said, you have good taste cause it still looks good but that isn't a good example of describing every form and plane on an object. and it's especially not helpful because it's another medium.
unless you just posted that to say "i can draw too listen to me", in which case cool i guess but you aren't qualified to talk about what I'm trying to do based on that drawing you posted.
>>2300828
So you draw while you're zooming out?
>>2300824
the blue sky destroys the impact of this piece.
What do you think? Neck needs work, but aside from that?
>>2300828
Navigator.
>>2300835
Quite impressive! amazing work.
Her nostrils seems a bit small though...but then again, I don't know what picture you're referencing IF you happen to be making a portray.
>>2300835
edges. you have areas that are sharp when they should be soft and vice versa.
>>2300838
What areas?
40min studies from today
Anything i can improve or simplifie to help make them read better?
>>2300844
You're wonderful. I can't believe someone so talented would bother to post in such an awful board.
I'm saving these for future reference! I''d appreciated it if you posted more. Seriously, this is wonderful stuff.
>>2300844
Man, these are great. These look like they were from life, were they?
>>2300847
this board is a lot bigger than many people let on, keep an open mind
>>2300849
Nah, I've lurked for a long time and since it's a super slow board, I've noticed this place is as petty as /cgl/. Everyone tries to tear the other apart to feel good about themselves, sometimes they don't even realize they're doing it.
They try to discourage others the best they can with
>Focus on this thing I won't tell you
>Loomis
>You're trash, give it up.
and if someone does something right, anons get mad at them and point out insignificant stuff out of spite.
You don't really win with this place.
>>2300833
yeah. the width of the image was about the width of my thumb when I started painting.
>>2300854
Woooah, that's great! I imagine your final canvas is bigger than 912x1024 ?
>>2300835
In general the transition between the shadow core, reflected light, and direct light aren't smooth enough, giving an unintentionally "hard" look to something that should look soft and organic (woman's neck, cheek, forehead, nose, etc). Maybe the reference you're using called for it, but the highlights and shadows seem to be less saturated than the midtones, giving an eerie technicolor look. the texture on the fabric is convincing. Use a larger brush, and use less brushstrokes when painting flesh.
>>2300856
the final canvas is 912 x 1024.
>>2300859
Isn't that a bit small though? I might be talking out of my ass, since I normally draw in a 2500x2500 canvas...
>>2300858
Is that a bad thing though? the painting style kinda reminds me of leyendecker
>>2300858
Since when are highlights supposed to be more saturated than midtones?
alright i had another go at these fruit. the fruit on the left were difficult and came out a bit confusing visually, but i think the fruit on the right actually look pretty good. idk if this is good practice to get forms right but i might buy a really thin pen like 005 and do a whole drawing gridding out the planes then apply the shading with thicker pens. would probably look like a mess but i bet it would be great practice. maybe buy some lilies at the supermarket, they are pretty good practice for construction and planes.
>>2300867
I really like it, anon. And how even though the lines are pretty bold, you still manage to give them volume.
Good practice! I can't image the things you'll accomplish if you keep doing this!
>>2300873
Calm down, mom.
>>2300875
Just saying what I believe!
Hello /ic/ I have a question
I am a beginner at art, but I have a particular artist whose style I really like. Is replicating their art as an exercise the only good way to get good at drawing in that style?
please help
>>2300877
>I am a beginner and I have a question
>beginner thread?
>hmm, no
>question thread?
>nope
>draw thread? what is that? "Post your current drawing here and give constructive critique to others!"
>this is perfect!
>>2300877
it's not the only way, but it's a good way. you can do master studies of individual pieces you like from the artist, or you could read up on the artist and find out who influenced them, and copy their drawings. there's a million different ways to get better.
i think a good place to start would be bargue plates though. guarenteed the artist you like did studies of bargue plates. van gogh copied all 60 three times when he was starting out. picasso has some well known copies of them. they are a good place to start. and they aren't like most art books where it's a lot of theory. They give you a short preamble on how to best study them, and then you just start drawing them.
>>2300877
It's okay, as long as you don't trace. Try to capture what you like about the art, and apply to your own drawings.
Just have fun m8.
tablet acting up again
here's a close, done for tonight
Trying to paint a landscape that looks like a naked woman lying on her back. How does it look so far?
>>2300751
i'll try to put texture in the castle walls, i agree with you
>>2300757
is tat a critique or just a development? thanks anyway
>>2300863
I don't have a high performance GPU. gets too choppy at a higher resolution.
>>2300601
Holy shit, I thought that the thumbnail was your reference.
That's a pretty fucking nice job
>>2300955
thank fuck i didnt have water in my mouth
>>2300927
gpu doesn't do shit, you mean cpu
>didn't realize there was a new thread because no one linked it in the last thread
>spent literal minutes shitting out (pic related)
I want those minutes back. I could have been fapping, or at least shitposting.
>>2300980
Yeah unfortunately the last two ops have been fags. Love those though. I love graphic designy stuff even though I'm shit at doing it myself.
>>2300905
I'm no expert, but I think if her stomach, or mid-ground, was curved more it may look more like said idea. I think the peaks of the mountains should not be as "perky", more to slope off to the outer edge of the picture. Try to imagine her ribs as well. Generally when anyone lies on their back (given they're skinny) their stomach concave inwards giving their ribs to protrude. This would give he mid-ground a bit of interest as it really is to flat at the moment. I'd also suggest a more narrow "pond", most belly buttons are long vertical wise, much more sexy too.
>>2300568
thanks for putting link to the new thread you fucking goddamn asshole
i don't know what i am doing
>>2301001
,,l,,
>>2301003
is it that hard?
>>2301010
ask ur mom :^)
>>2301010
>dat double entendre
>>2300814
>if mine looks good, and yours looks good, at some point what we are talking about is who has better taste,
Your autism is showing like always. Damn you are delusional.
>>2301023
Just don't, this thread is going to be rocky enough with the OP we have.
The collective bug you guys have up your ass about Firez will never cease to amuse me. They're not great, but they're not awful either. Worse work gets routinely posted alongside theirs, but you focus an autistic amount of ire towards them.
>>2301033
It's not because of the quality of his art, it's because he posts asking for help, then when people give suggestions he takes not a single one. Then he posts another thing that has the exact same problems as the last one, asking for help again. Then once again, doesn't take any suggestions and goes as far as telling people they're just out to get him if they point out this cycle. Rinse and repeat for X number of years until everyone is sick of it. A year ago, I made some posts exactly like yours. Now I get it.
>>2301037
I started frequenting this board a year ago and mostly all I ever see is people going "them dead eyes" or "that thousand yard stare" with little in the way of suggestions.
>>2301041
You must not have been looking too close. He posts in other threads than the Draw Threads. He has problems aligning features because he doesn't believe in learning construction. I've seen a bunch of people post redlines or paint overs or transform tool edits of his pictures showing him where to move the eyes or nose, what have you, only for him to say something along the lines of either "that's not what I'm going for" or "it looks fine to me so thanks but no thanks". Those are the people who actually try to fix his issues on a surface level, the real flagrance comes when people try to tell him anything more. The reason you most see just those short quips is because it's been had out with him so many times already, most people know there's no point saying any more than that, in fact more wouldn't bother with even that. Like I said, I was with you. I tried giving him a thorough, thoughtful crit once, he rebuffed me all the same.
>>2300643
nice punpun ripoff
(its shit)
pls god let me sleep
>go to beginner thread
>feel good about myself
>come to the draw thread
>want to give up forever
>>2301058
did you finally stop using textured brushes? theres a different feel to it.
>>2301107
*concrete progress
Dunno what happened there.
>>2301074
you blind?
>>2300997
>I'm no expert
stopped reading there.
>>2301134
>implying i did't see the dry brushes
>>2300568
Should add some blues, yellow, and reds into the skin. Would give it a better feel and add more than just one color.
Need some warm reflective in this.
>>2300896
The nose should cover more the right eyes
>>2301222
You should start using one color for the background then paint with low opacity on top. It will make a better atmosphere insteaf of too much contrast between the colors.
>>2301228
Good point, I've never thought of it that way. I usually have and undepaint and they often have a feeling of having a uniformity in them, like there is a filter of yellow blue even thought there is a lot more color variation. Thanks!
![Ff8MNcy[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/yGI5OR8.jpg "Ff8MNcy[1].jpg")
medival warrior bleeding from the battle.
I draw like the french comic artists now
>>2300864
>the painting style kinda reminds me of Leyendecker
OP doesn't have a style yet, because he still hasn't mastered the basics of form, color and contour. So, to compare OP's "style" to Leyendecker who was a master only after years of formal training, I would argue, is fallacious.
Yes, I am aware you said, "kinda reminds", but hedging doesn't excuse a faulty comparison.
Doing color studies for the first time, just want another eye on this, see if I'm accurate.
Full disclosure: I don't color pick but I'll used the eye dropper to see the color relationships and "work from memory".
>>2301280
Shift the hue to reds for the white vertical stripes. It is too close to greens in yours.
>>2300499
>>2300960
Well photoshop looks like fun but it'll take me some time to get used to all the options.
For now I just made this. Painting hair is hard.
Advice on where to go from here? still not sure if they're going to be vines or tentacles.. lmao
>>2300835
>>2300858
here again
I retouched your painting to show you what I meant about the transitions. In hindsight I should have just called it lighting instead of "transitions". anyway, in general, light is strongest on the highlight, and all other values are significantly less than that. In physics it's called the Inverse-square law, such that the intensity of the light is equal to 1 over the distance from the source of the light squared. light, or values, since we're painting, become exponentially weaker the as they get farther away from the source. Although the highlight in a picture isn't the source, it usually follows the general pattern of being the smallest, but brightest value in the picture, with all other values decreasing with distance accordingly. I didn't illustrate the concept with any kind of precision, but I did tone down your reflected light and added a slight gradient to the entire face. hopefully this is helpful.
>>2301296
Good call
My mind is being blown right now, relative color is pretty amazing. How do you get a violet to look green? Who thought of this? When will I'll be able to spot color like this?
>>2301335
actually think about design
>>2301327
Figured I could throw this one in as well.
>>2301339
You need some more contrast behind the dogs head to make the silhouette pop out.
>>2301342
I don't think these news anchors understand, I don't watch the news for your chest I watch it for news! If I want boobs /s/ is a click away.
>pic of dude related
How's this looking? About 30 mins in
>>2301368
>dude
pls be lying, my duck is so confused
>>2301378
>>>/b/eginner_thread
>>2301379
No thats a dude
>>2301383
>i've never seen a man
guys don't have tits that big, i can't believe i have to explain.
>>2301378
Try to do it over. Construct the skull/head with lines around it to get the perspective right. Then draw your face on top of that. Don't worry about the end result for now but just get a sense of shape. If the skull is done properly then it'll give you a better understanding of perspective.
Link this image I just googled.
>>2301388
TRANS.
USE YOUR BRAIN.
THERES A PENIS DOWN THERE.
>>2301383
What's her name, I need to know for reasons. reverse search doesnt get anything good.
>>2301391
Is it at least feminine?
>>2301392
Go ask in a trans thread in /b/
>>2301392
Sarina Valentina.
I shouldn't know this, what the fuck am I doing with my life?
didn't plan any of this but I think it turned out ok
>>2301396
>I tried constructing the head there tbfh
Maybe. But you need a lot more practice at it and a better understanding of anatomy. An example. Your eyes are far too big and just in that area there are a lot of details you are missing, like mussles and folds. Try taking a good look at them and then think about that those eyeballs are round. Right now you don't have room enough in your skull for even one of them. I mean, there are a ton of details in the image where I think you haven't given any deeper thoughts to the structure and anatomy of a head.
Not trying to piss you off but I'm not going to pad you on the head like a mom does and say it's great.
focusing on form and measurements again.
unfortunately the model tried for the first hour to do a standing pose, and he got really lightheaded so had to change to a sitting pose. so this is about a hour and 20 of drawing.
>>2301419
Features in the face are drifting. So foreshortening problems in the legs.
>>2301419
Head is too big /joke
misaligned eyes /serious
>>2301411
Thanks for critting.
>Not trying to piss you off but I'm not going to pad you on the head like a mom does and say it's great.
Yeah that's good
Towergirl wip, I don't think I'm gonna make her a third eye, pretty unaesthetic.
>>2301225
Is this from you ? really like it. waist is a little too large and forearm a bit too thick too in my opinion, but good job.
>>2301225
wouldn't it be better practice to draw a human head? and it wouldn't come off as 2deep4u furfag art that way.
>>2301419
>measurements again
thry measuring the head sometime m8
>>2301419
>focusing on form and measurements
Then were are your measurements? I see a clean, finished pen hatched illustration of a man sitting in a chair. I don't see an honest attempt at measuring and drafting a three dimensional form.
>>2301392
>>2301399
>>2301388
It's alright life is full of pleasant surprises, the long journey takes you to deep dark corners.
>>2301464
if thats important to you guys i can leave them in. i usually do them in 2h pencil then erase them afterwards just to make the page look cleaner.
i measured the width and height of the figure, put it in a rectangle, measured the head, measured how many heads tall the model was, put a plumb line down the middle of the facial features, measured the feet and hands, and then freehanded the rest of it.
the jacket on his lap changed positions a lot so i had to redraw the measurements a few times, same with his hands ( which may have come out a bit smaller than they actually are).
if you guys think i should leave the measurements on next time i will.
>>2301335
I think vines would be nice, but some kind of alien looking things, like keep them purplish with blue leaves or something weird like that. Looks good so far anon, I really like the spotlight on the water.
>>2301474
If you guys want to turn this into a traps that are convincing thread then the image limit would be pretty fast.
>>2301474
sauce pls.
>>2301479
Fuck you man, thats a girl. My boner never lies
open mouth or closed mouth? darker or lighter shadow?
>>2301482
http://www.hungangels.com/vboard/showthread.php?64862-Exotic-TS-Beauty-Around-the-World/page14&p=1161950#post1161950
>>2301485
The left expression seems totally out of place with all the happy surroundings. If you can, I would maybe have the shadow fade from the dark on the right into the lighter version of the left, like having the lighter one hit pretty close to the jaw. Looks really nice, would by on a sticker.
>>2301368
>>2301474
>>2301479
This just turn into a sexy boi thread?
>>2301493
No plz. If I want that there are at least 3 boards around here for that plus sites that provide much better material.
But if you can paint them...
>>2301504
What the fuck are you doing.
>>2301507
im sorry man
>>2301504
Strange is that person transgender. The skull shape is like a man and the adam apples.
>>2301514
doesn't matter as long as my dick is hard.
>>2301479
That's a trap? No way, man
>Has science gone too far?
>>2300601
looking lovely so far. be sure that you're getting what you want out of it instead of copying it inch for inch. otherwise you'll end up with something very pretty, by virtue of the source material, but ultimately ineffective in finding its way into your own work.
try to revisit it again a week later to see if you have any further observations beyond recalling what you learned along the way.
>>2300835
it looks well enough from a technical standpoint, but it feels like you're too focused on painting paint as opposed to finding the most economic way to paint what you've observed. the rendering is a slave to itself instead of serving a higher purpose, if that makes sense.
it's also entirely possible that i'm missing the point of the piece, but even a technical exercise should be in preparation for finished work.
>>2300844
see if you can simplify these a bit more by taking the time beforehand to plan out the composition of each. in the top right piece you've separated light and shadow well enough, but you've muddied the overall design by bringing too much frenetic light in to the dark. if you left only 30% of the best parts of the light that's in the shadow, the piece would be better off for it and you would have saved yourself some time to boot.
>>2301222
the piece and intention needs to read clearly before anything else can help.
>>2301335
you'll save yourself a lot of grief if you take a few hours to decide where you want to take this piece and how you're going to do it. as for now, it feels like you've set the stage near the lower middle of the piece - you can use those foreground elements to block it in better, but ultimately you'll need the point of the piece before you can start building everything to support it.
Some sketches from the last couple of days.
Does anyone have any tips / books for linart? Mine's pretty shitty, especially with digital.
>>2301533
>otherwise you'll end up with something very pretty, by virtue of the source material, but ultimately ineffective in finding its way into your own work
You're right. It's the biggest problem I've been struggling with. What is "my own work", etc. I figured that If I did enough of these copies eventually I would develop some kind of idea. A teacher once told me "Every band is a cover band first". This is the third Zorn painting I've copied in the past month or so, and I haven't really felt like I've got much traction in terms of new ideas, but I figured at the very least I'm copying paintings I like, and am learning about the manner in which Zorn painted just from spending so much type looking and copying. Thanks for the advice.
>>2300980
Good thing, because what you have would be impossible to read in the catalog. Dumbass.
>>2301549
>not having Image Hover/Image Hover in Catalog checked
Fag.
How're these thumbnails going along?
>>2301549
Here's higher res version, knock yourself out : ^)
>>2301391
still not a dude. so what if she has a dick, i bet she can't even cum because there is no way she has any testosterone, which would make her muscular and hairy.
>>2301605
No, "he" got boobs and surgery. Don't kid yourself, a dude is a dude is a dude
>>2301605
>still not a dude
>so what if she has a dick
>she
>>2301605
You would think that a trans would had transcended the worries about gender and just saw sex as sex.
>>2301610
Gender is a social construct. Sex is not. Her gender is female
>>2301630
Here's your (You), senpai.
>>2301630
>Gender is a social construct.
No it's not. There may be things associated with genders that are social constructs but genders themselves are 100% a biological definition.
>>2301630
Thank you anon. But of course people will call you a dirty SJW tumblrina if, god forbid, you dare to call her anything but a trap or a dude...
>>2301630
Bless your heart.
>>2301533
>be sure that you're getting what you want out of it instead of copying it inch for inch. otherwise you'll end up with something very pretty, by virtue of the source material, but ultimately ineffective in finding its way into your own work.
it should be noted that mullins recommends master studies should be FORGERIES. you shouldn't be able to see the difference between the study and the master
>>2301639
You must be awesome at drawing with those projection skills.
thoughts so far/
>>2301639
Hey dude, we all don't get to be whatever we want to be. Just deal with it, and grow up.
any tips or crits
>>2301658
Your shape relations got a decent enough flow and proportions which does that the image reads well despite being messy. But you lack precision. Almost as if you are letting the random shapes guide you instead of defining them from what it looks like.
Try starting working with areas as well defined silhouettes if you want to improve.
Just my thoughts.
>>2301673
I do need to learn to clean up my drawings and be less suggestive. I do like letting shapes guide me tho, Its a fun way of constructing forms, and it's not so random in actuality.
thanks
This is what I'm working on now. I'm still not sure how I want the guys below to react to being shot at. I've considered just having them walking by while the shooter watches, which builds some slight mystery or intrigue I guess. I dunno.
Here's a block in thing. I need help positioning the horse and making sure the scale is right. I can increase the canvas size if needed, which I'm pretty sure I'm going to need to do anyway. I tried looking up reference but didn't see anything quite like this for a more direct comparison, so I'd really appreciate any help.
>>2301690
some cleaning up
study from a cropped painting
>>2301740
I'd love to see you color your stuff m8
>>2299892
Yea it does appear a bit too flat to me, I was too focused on getting the actual letter shapes correct instead of their perspective.
>>2301703
I like it, great display of depth.
My only problem is the shooter's perspective seems a little off based on your grid lines.
I wish I could redline it to describe it better
>>2301750
Thanks, I actually went full force without a grid, then went back and made one and fixed up (most) everything. I'm still trying to get the shooter in the right perspective/ position. I'll post a few examples.
I spent a good 5 hours looking for a good reference, and ended up having to use some online model posing tool to even get it this close...
>>2301750
>>2301758
Here is the model I ended up using along with some pushing the shooter around a little.
>>2301766
It seems to me like you need to rotate the entire figure more towards the camera, similar to the model you made
>>2301770
Yeah, after looking at like this, it seems he needs to be shown from a more top down perspective than I've put him in.
Am I on the right track here?
Okay I tried to show some independence about it. How's this?
I swear you guys'll wait till I've half rendered this before you notice and then you'll have a bunch of changes that would've been easier at this stage.
>>2300573
>>2300582
>>2301209
Thanks for the advice as always.
>>2301012
>kek
With the rendering of the guy's hand I've come to realize I've been way too cowardly with the values in this piece. I'm rethinking my whole life
>>2301887
>I'm rethinking my whole life
Seems extreme. Looks good though.
I'm starting to try realistic rendering after only drawing stylistically/symbolically for years :\
Crit? There are quite a few things to improve but I don't know where to start.
>>2300824
Check out artist Marcus Larson. He lived fast, died young and painted some mean shipwrecks.
>>2300783
great hand however your strokes are still too cartoon-y. I think it's the hard outline. Remember to get the weight of the hand on the out lines as well, there are no hard 2D outlines iRL instead it should "wrap" around the object. Also don"t be lazy on the outlines. If you need to clean up your outlines try using a different value in the background. Other than that, you're on your way anon! looks great! Just remember at your level your studies should be finished drawings, not sketches.
>>2301895
Did you read the post? That drawing is from years ago, it's not for critique.
can anyone give me tips on multi-layer cel shading so that I can never mess up this bad again?
(other criticism welcome)
>>2301906
It doesn't look like you messed up, it looks fine. My only suggestion would be that, if that dark gray is a multiply layer you used to create a shadow, don't use black or gray, use a color. What color you use will have to depend on the lighting you've set up, and you might actually change it slightly from spot to spot within the layer to make it match better with whatever color it's shading.
>>2301909
noted for the future, thank you!
>>2301747
ill try
>>2301928
>>2301690
Oh I know you can guide it by visualizing it. I used to love doing it over a short period, it was great when I started marking highlights and shadow areas too. Next step for me was to start marking out areas like in this old image I found (Only one I could find converted to jpg and maybe not the best. But it only took a few minutes to make, max). It's really fast and creative but in my own experience I hit a block when I later had to start spending so much more time being precise. It made me take some years break from drawing.
It's a good visualization skill I guess but you just save yourself a lot of time further along doing corrections and redefining shapes if you learn to be more precise from the start (Not saying not to have loose lines, just give it more thought).
I could of course be completely wrong and you might end up taking it in a direction I didn't or there are some hidden qualities I can't spot in those scribbles but hey, I at least don't think so.
>stopped drawing around march cause of new 50-60 hr job
>bought some oils on a whim
>never painted before cause 'learn to draw before you paint' drilled so far in
>figured fuck it why not just do some no-pressure studies for kicks on my day off
>it's terrifying and confusing but so much fucking fun it makes me want to draw again
maybe that's just novelty that will wear off but I recommend everyone try it asap
>>2301636
No you're thinking of sex. Gender is viewed as identity nowadays
>>2301062
why? most of the drawings here are shit anyway.
>>2302001
Is this board's title "I should spout my shitty Tumblrisms here"? No? Then get the fuck out.
>>2301965
This is pretty accurate
Oil painting does something to you
>>2302006
It's not shitty or tumblrisms though.
>>2302001
>Gender is viewed as identity nowadays
only by some confused faggots who wanted to take the concept of gender roles one step further.
Most people don't care about all the alternative definitions. As long as we need a male and a female to create offspring you are going to be viewed as either a man or a woman based on that.
But hey, it doesn't matter anyway. Sex is sex and all that matters is to be beautiful and attractive. Succeed at that and people will call you whatever you want them to to please you.
>>2302011
What about infertile and intersex people in that scenario then.
Sex is sex but gender is how you identify.
>>2302005
I bet your own drawings are shit too.
But seriously. If I make something awesome why would I want to post it here on an anonymous board? We are not here to please faggots like you but to practice.
>>2301965
His mustache is falling off
>>2302012
>What about infertile and intersex people
What about them? infertility is a handicap and hermaphrodites have a unique mutation. It doesn't change anything about how humans normally work.
>Sex is sex but gender is how you identify.
Just because you keep repeating it like a mantra it doesn't make it true. This isn't a matter of ideology. It's biology. Some people find an identity in a gender-role but that's different since that is a social construct for some parts.
But this is going in circles and in your reply you'll probably just repeat your mantra about sex and genders.
>>2302018
The medical community now separates the idea of biological sex from gender. It's not a mantra it's just shifting labels and how to apply them into a situation.
And yeah I mean I'm giving you a factual statement with how the terms are being used nowadays.
>>2301452
You sound like impressionism would destroy your world, realism isn't the truth you know. And crows head won't make it more furfag, stop limiting your space.
But about the drawing itself, looks really good until you notice waist area. There is basically none. And with that arm you could literally reach heavens.
Pic related, some ideas I'm desperately trying to avoid.
>>2302019
>And yeah I mean I'm giving you a factual statement with how the terms are being used nowadays.
They're not outside a selective crowd. That's the danger of the internet. It's easy to find people you agree with and shut all else out in a subculture.
>>2302023
It's not the Internet it's the most up to date terminology used in medical community. I'm talking about psychologists/sociologists/doctors not using archaic language.
Tumblrites would get mad if you said a trans woman was male sex lol
>>2302022
Meet Lisa. She identifies as a female but have male friends. You may not be able to notice but Lisa was actually born a male so she got a girl's penis. She got a lot of hormones which have caused her to gain some weight lately. Please respect her identity.
>>2302026
It doesn't bother me so sure why not.
There are cis gendered folk that don't pass as their desired gender identity due to hormonal/genetic issues, doesn't invalidate it by any means. If they've jumped through the hoops to put effort into their identity then respecting it is the difference between making someone suicidal or making their day a lot better.
>>2302028
>It doesn't bother me so sure why not.
But what some in here don't understand is that most people find it ridiculous, no matter how many books and studies some publish to support it.
>>2302029
Most people find it ridiculous because the ones that stick out are the unpassable weird ones. It's like how people assume all gays are flaming and effeminate. It's a stereotype and if you met someone who was transgender and passing it literally makes no difference unless you're trying to date them.
People found giving women and people of color equal rights as men to be ridiculous. And gay marriage to be ridiculous as well. Mass ignorance doesn't justify it.
>>2302030
Equal rights got nothing to do with how you are born. There are just things males can do better than females and the other way around. It's the reason sports are separated by gender.
I got no problem with people being gay or bi. Or people playing with gender roles. But then they can say that gender no longer matters for them.
>>2302041
But wouldn't you still have an advantage if you wanted to compete professional in women's basketball? I mean sure, the day we can have people make a perfect transition then maybe I'll look at it differently.
>>2302040
alright
23 posts and one drawing. Shut the fuck up, I'll keep posting old drawings if this shit continues.
>>2301449
just me or is the file corrupted ?
>>2302046
I got the impression you played basketball seriously from what you wrote.
>>2302041
>using all the things
except tampons, prenatal pills, breast pumps, men that aren't fetishists, etc.
>>2302053
>>2302056
>>2302056
Some women can't use some of those things but no woman can use none of those things. You're just a caricature, no matter what tumblr says.
>>2302060
>>2302060
Well that's your opinion and more power to you but society says otherwise in my day to day life :^ )
also loltranswoman can use tampons and breastpumps and prenatal vitamins.
>>2302062
Anyone can shove cotton in a hole or mimic other female behaviors. For trans "women" it's not serving any purpose, however. You just imitate and pretend the context is there when you'll never understand how it's meant to feel.
>>2302065
>>2302065
no actually I just act like a normal person and go about my daily life, it's more of an imitation for me to try and act like a dude because I'm not one lmao
