Why are so many great artist's fucked in the head some kind of way? A lot of the ones I know online either have bipolar disorder or some other mental illness but they draw like gods
>>2588564
>A lot of the ones I know online either have bipolar disorder or some other mental illness
that's probably just your confirmation bias anon.
t. armchair psychologist
>>2588568
No they pretty much exhibit all the signs of being bipolar
>sweet as peaches and creams one minute
>vicious and aggressive the next, particular when it comes to something like criticizing their art
>cranks out a lot finished pieces almost daily, then suddenly gets depressed and takes a long long hiatus
>without warning, starts drawing again and goes back at that abnormally fast work pace
Being obsessed with a particular subject like that can be a sign of bipolar disorder, and then having no interest in anything afterwards in a depressed state for a long period of time. Many artists ive talked with personally fit these qualities
>>2588564
I think I have, but I'm sure is mostly because I sleep like 4 hours a day and get kind of depressed because of not working more in my art or because I'm not good enough
>>2588564
I think it's mostly due to the financial instability. Once they do get a job, they are creatively unfulfilled, but those that are popular enough to be able to make their own stuff are probably the happiest ones.
I know quite a few professional artists and they're all in one of these three groups. I'm in the unemployed depressed NEET group.
>>2588571
hmm, that means I have bipolar disorder too, and so what?
I have no idea. Me and my friends who draw all have mental problems. When I took college for art most of the kids who could draw really well had problems too. I don't know if having mental problems makes you creative or seeking creativity makes you a little weird. I guess anyone would have to be a little crazy to make markings on a piece of paper for 5+ hours a day. Maybe I was born with it. Maybe it's Maybelline.
>>2588564
Many famous artists throughout have been professional diagnosed with some kind of mental illness so OP might be onto something.
This thread is stupid.
>>2588609
Why?
>>2588609
mentally ill artist detected
>>2588605
>"many"
>Van Gogh is basically the only case ever mentioned
One famous nut job and all of a sudden every artist is bipolar/schizo
>>2588619
ok faggot
The big issue here is that mental illness wasn't a "thing" until the mid 20th century. And which... surely you can think of more than ONE artist can't you anon? If not.. I guess I could post a few if you're struggling.
I think a lot of artists turn to the arts as a sort of therapy. Mental illness is found in a lot more than just painting. Actors (robin williams) Musicians (all of them) and writers all have a lot of big name artists with problems.
In general, the more extremely specialized the brain is the more likely the person will be unbalanced mentally. People with extremely high IQs suffer from mental issues as well. Autism, aspergers, shit like that.
Because "An insanely competitive, entirely superfluous field that requires like10 years of intense, unpaid study of complex specifics and a crazy broad range of concepts that might have to be entirely self-driven or might bleed you dry with nothing to show for it, all for the chance to beg people to maybe possibly hire you and then MAYBE even pay you in something other than exposure that might actually be enough to keep your landlord happy for a month once in a while? Sign me up!" is not a very sane thought.
>>2588627
What about doctors and accountants who are mentally ill? Hell, what about the draftsmen and architects and the graphic designers in sleek and sexy advertising jobs? They're artists too, you never hear them talked up as having all these cool creative debilitating disorders.
No one ever hears about them being mentally ill, because those professions aren't romantic, and mental illness is hailed as something romantic and conducive to a creative spark that only few possess. Instead of art being, you know, another boring skill anyone could learn with enough patients, and mental illness just being the common cold/cancer for the brain that hinders people just as unambiguously.
The fact that artists being mentally ill is a commonly repeated stereotype doesn't make it true, and the fact that the stereotype exists and is so well known should point out some pretty big implications as far as the whole causation/correlation thing since that creates social biases for or against pursuing the arts based on mental health status, for or against seeking diagnosis for mental illnesses depending on one's profession, etc.
>>2588649
>these cool creative debilitating disorders.
What the fuck are you even talking about.
Really, what the fuck are you even talking about? Because I have no fucking idea and I'm pretty sure no one else does either. If I were to take a wild guess... there are people exactly like you described. A beautiful Mind? Rain Man?
>The fact that artists being mentally ill is a commonly repeated stereotype doesn't make it true,
No one even said that was the case
Are you literally retarded? Do you not know how to read? Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you.
>>2588649
We aren't talking about Doctors and Accountants though. This thread is about why so many prolific artists are nutjobs
>>2588564
>tfw mentally ill but not a good enough artist to justify outbursts and eccentricities
feels bad man
>>2588636
I kind of vote this
Most kids that start drawing in school tend to either be withdrawing from their peers or trying to bring attention to themselves because they can't compete with the usual attributes. I'm not saying every artist lacks in confidence but a lot of people turn to art when other parts of their life are lacking.
>>2588683
without wanting to sound like a fag
but yeah
thats also me
>>2588564
There are emerging theories in psychiatry about some people being wired slightly differently, making them more "sensitive", receptive, attuned, however you want to call it. The way they experience life in general seems to lack the same sort of filter that normal people have, they have trouble regulating emotions or impressions from the outside world. Things have more impact, touch them more deeply, they perceive better than other people. Half of the time parents (especially those who aren't from that sensitive bunch) screw their kid over royally by applying the same raising techniques that work for all others and themselves, and what could have been a quirk or an asset becomes debilitating. Especially for boys this is a problem since a sensitive male toddler( who is easily scared and cries a lot) will be constantly pushed by their environment to do the things it fears doing, because "be a man, son", creating all sort of troubles. In kid's experiences it becomes: That big loud stuff makes me scared, so I don't want to go there, but if I don't, parents will be angry. A parent's anger is literally the worst for a 2-3 year old because it can't survive without parents. So they have the choice between experiencing fear or anger and thus fear of death. That doesn't give you a well rounded personality.
By age 6 or 7 generally the harm has already been done and connecting with other becomes difficult.
Art becomes a way to cope with isolation and the impulses and impact of the outside world. Many mentally ill children will find refuge in imagination play, and at first children's art is mostly drawing things they imagine, making them tangible.
If you think this is bollocks, 50 years ago left-handed children were spanked and forced to learn to work with their right hand, causing problems in those kids. Lefthandedness is decided by neural structure and isn't a conscious choice. Perceptiveness and sensibility might also be.
TL;DR blame your mom and dad
>>2588564
A lot of artists are betas desu. Most of them had problems before they became pros.
>>2588657
>>2588678
>there are people exactly like you described.
Shocking truth revealed: Some people are just mentally ill! Regardless of profession!
>Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you.
Isn't it obvious? I'm another mentally ill artist. Oh, us artists! So unique and complex and inscrutable and speshul!
>>2588743
Youre not gonna cut off your ear are you
>>2588571
Which part of armchair psychologist you didn't understand.
>>2588816
Its not like its hard to be a real psychologist. Its a pseudoscience
>>2588619
Caravaggio was fuckin bonkers
>>2588564
The distancing factor of being on internet allows for weirdos to thrive because they couldn't anywhere else.
It's easy to put up a false persona on the internet than anywhere else. "On the internet no one knows you're a dog" as the joke goes. And because most people are willing to give the benefit of the doubt it's much easier for the weirdos to keep up the false persona.
Weirdos know this and have a tendency to associate more with thier own then with normal people. They believe that because everyone is dependent on a false front no one will rat the other out.
This is why doxing is considered the ultimate taboo among thier ranks. Doxing is only permissible on those outside thier groups.
>>2588619
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creativity_and_mental_illness
i too, am retarded
I don't think creative art types are more likely to be mentally ill, it's just that any demons they have are showcased and displayed more because art, no matter how hard you try to hide it, will say a lot about you. So even if you're relatively normal, people will still see all the nooks and crannies of your psyche by looking at your personal work.
Non-art people have other outlets for their issues, such as alcohol, drugs, womanizing, hoarding, and controlling other people. Among other things. I know plenty of terrible and toxic non-art people, they just pass under the radar more. A lot of doctors are very neurotic in their personal life, and I've met nurses and cops who have this weird power tripping side to them. Mental illness is not a creativity thing.
Artists become famous unlike other people.
That sounds about right. Ive been apart of a few skype groups and circles with artists and most of them all were pretty crazy. Some were autistic, while others had more severe problems. I knew this one female artist(won't say her name, but she's pretty popular on tumblr and is a brony). When I first met her she seemed pretty normal, bit standoffish, but nothing too out of the ordinary. But the more time went on, the more we began to realize she was fucking nuts. And not only her, quite a few members of the group were all fucked. One guy was a sociopath that enjoyed manipulating people and pitting them against one another because he thought it was funny. He would always have these angry outbursts as well if you denied any of his acts of "kindness" (trying to buy you things or just doing favors for you without asking). Another was a convicted rapist in real life(also a great artist), and another girl was catfisher with anxiety and a eating disorder. She too was an artist, and she wasn't that bad. Eventually I left the group, but ive never met more messed up people in my life.
That's because all your favorite artists are tumblr fanart girls and not professionals
>>2588916
This, artists just put themselves out there more
>>2588564
It's no coincidence that most artists are child molesters. Just look at the creep artists around Minecraft and Anime
>>2588564
You have to be one to really understand it. Any possible way you percieve it is already incorrect
For those that disagree, I give you Exhibit A
>>2588927
That sounds like pretty standard fare when socializing with people too weird to make friends in person.
>>2589042
>shadbase
The only mental disorder he has is pure faggotry
>>2588718
I always do
Just to humor myself. The over used definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting to get different results, The artist practices his work slightly with the same concept with the fact that this may or not gain recognition, wealth and status for his insane amount of effort and time dedicated. Clearly one is bound to go insane at this logic?
>>2588848
>Michelangelo was probably autistic
Now you're just making things up.
>>2588564
You don't have time for art when you're absorbed by the outer world, only diving into your own mind (which's what they do) can make you feel the need to express yourself somehow.
>>2589591
>The great artist Michelangelo may have suffered from autism, new research shows. The report, which appears in the Journal of Medical Biography, provides a synthesis of new evidence about the famous 16th century artist, renowned for painting the Sistine Chapel in Rome.
well, speaking about artists several centuries ago,those which shaped the """"stereotype"""
the use of materials hazardous to ones health like the lead that were used in whites or cadmium might contribute to the decline of physical and over time (or directly in the case of heavy metals) mental health
add in that with lots of stress, probably depression, a higher chance of alcoholism (wine in the past might have contained lead as a sweetener) might greatly contribute to the damage of ones sanity and stability
>>2588619
Pollock had alcoholism.
>>2588564
This feels very related.
https://desuarchive.org/co/thread/76438556
Also I'd like to say that I fit the stereotype >>2588571 mentioned, but with the exception that my output is kept a little under normal due to lazyness.
I think some people have subtle deviations in either brain chemistry or brain architecture that cause various kinds of erratic behaviour that we identify as good (creativity) or bad (sociopathy) based on their effects on society when they are ultimately the symptoms of a malfunctioning brain.
>>2588927
>I knew this one female artist(won't say her name, but she's pretty popular on tumblr and is a brony).
I beg you to share her nickname. I've come across a few girls that fit your description and I can't help but be suspisious. Please put my mind at ease, because I can't stand people who smile in front of you but stab you behind the back.
>>2588571
I do fit right in this category and I to draw like a "god". You've clearly things up a bit................ I guess I'm fucked.... I kinda knew it was bipolar disorder. Fml....
>>2588564
Their fucked heads allowed them to obsess about their craft or allowed them to have a different insight/perspective about stuff.
Lots of mental illnesses have this little perk of obsessing about something to the point where the person becomes an expert on the subject, some obsess about silly stuff like stamps, animu while others find peace with math, art, etc..
Also, lots of fucked in the head people aren't very good friends/bfs/gfs/husbands/wives or good with social interaction since 9 times out 10, their mental illness will bring some horrific personalities/episodes with it, so they use their craft as an outlet or a way to draw people closer to them.
>>2590393
>Also, lots of fucked in the head people aren't very good friends/bfs/gfs/husbands/wives or good with social interaction since 9 times out 10, their mental illness will bring some horrific personalities/episodes with it, so they use their craft as an outlet or a way to draw people closer to them.
Too real man.
>>2589042
>implying shad is a good artist
>implying shad isn't fucking normal and likes to fuck with people
Have you ever met the dude or at least heard him talk? Fucking ignoramus.
>>2590409
Shad is far from normal you dipshit
Do you know that most professional dancers are really clumsy in real life? Or that actors are kind of dumb and stutter?
They take up their crafts to help them coordinate around an internal weakness whether they know it or not.
>>2590713
This is false.
>>2590690
You're fucking retarded nor have you spoken to him.
>>2592180
Not that anon, but can someone elaborate on Shad and the relevant drama? I'm a newfag, see.
>>2592209
Shad's an old newgrounds artist known for guro and futa shit, along with some other imagery. People like to think he is batshit insane but those faggots are 12 year olds. He's just some fag that hangs with Zach and Corey nowadays. (Newgrounds flash animators/sleepycast members.)
>>2592209
He also gets a lot of money for shitty art, I forgot to note that. The dude's alright in small doses.
>>2592180
Right, im the retarded one and youre sucking Shadman's cock of all people for brownie points. KYS faggot
>>2592333
The point of this thread was crazy people. Shad's not crazy, just a faggot. Why won't you get that stick out of your ass and put a gun to your mouth.
>>2592496
> Projects your own opinion about someone else's state of mind
> Totally normal
You first, bitch cunt.
>>2592496
God damn you are a fucking idiot and just as much of a crazy queer as shadmn
>>2588564
It's difficult to answer that one because it's both a meme and something which holds some truth.
The meme began when Socrates (? or Aristotle) said that a lot of great thinkers were batshit crazy ("melankolia", not just being moody but litteraly having black humor in your body making your heart go crazy, brain of course is not the seat of intellect). Examples would be Herkules and Achilleus.
On the other hand a recent studies in a nordic country showed that 25% of their pro writers had various disorders and mental issues. That's way above the national average.
> Also would like to point out that a lot of artists are overdoing the meme to show off
>>2590409
>Shad
>Normal
Fucker, he drew porn of his MOTHER. It takes a mind pass sanity to do this.
>>2588564
I have D.I.D...
but my art is shit
>>2593381
He's not insane. He does porn for a living, he's like all those whores who get paid to have sex with ugly people.
>>2592227
What's wrong with futa?
>>2595508
Also shadman draws shemale not futa. Dunno why I am that autistic about the missing vagina...
Personally I wanted to draw porn but I am afraid that my stuff would be too... tame. I prefer sweet, cuddly wuddly over more extreme stuff.
>>2595508
>It's not a societal norm. I do mean this in the vain no average person is going to think a hermaphrodite is a good thing.
You are right. I have no idea why it can be so nice.
>>2595542
>Personally I wanted to draw porn but I am afraid that my stuff would be too... tame. I prefer sweet, cuddly wuddly over more extreme stuff.
I'm the same way. I do what works and refrain from going too deviant from what characters I use would likely do in said circumstances.
>>2595550
I'm indifferent to the idea as well, but anime styled stuff seems to make it work I guess, like when they have over exaggerated titties.
>>2595508
>Whether or not he does whatever, he is factually not the sanest of people out there.
You don't know what you're talking about. He's just a virgin that got into trouble because he's a fucking retard. I've seen far more autistic artists out there and they're not insane either. Just autistic.
>>2595645
Neat. Too bad less crazy murderous fetishes means you better draw a lot better to be noticed.
>>2595647
Well, thanks mom for letting me know shit like that is just fine. Next time I draw porn of my loved ones and tell everyone about it, I'll tell the cops to fuck off because you said it's just fine.
>>2588839
>Loads of evidence and studies backing it up
>pseudoscience
I bet you don't believe in gravity either
>>2595706
>psychology is the real one
>most psychologists are just women who sit around giving people life advice for money or academics at university shilling for social justice bullshit
it's "real" in the sense that it's possible to look at a bunch of stats and make up hot opinions based on those stats, it's not "real" as in "actually fucking understood and works" like maths
>>2595434
>he draws porn
>thinks this is a legit excuse why he's not abnormal
No normal person ever does this. Fuck off.
Im not sure if you guys can tell but this thread is cringeworthy as hell
>>2595379
Post them faggot
>>2596054
> this thread is cringeworthy as hell
> Shadbase thread
Gee, I wonder why.
