Hey fags, why do you like to be submissive? Why do you like to dominate? Does it align with your top/bottom preferences?
I never understood why someone would want to submit, but thank jesus gays like that exist. Why do you wanna gag on my cock? Why do you want me to manhandle you, force your head up and down? Put my hand around your throat, and your jaw, and facefuck you? Dominate you in bed? etc.
I've looked it up a bit online, but I want individual responses, cuz I really don't understand why all these gays wanna submit.
Does masculinity play a part? I'm a pretty neutral person in terms of masculine/feminine, but because I look masculine people want that from me. Sometimes I even get more masculine/angry because people want me to be masculine, which makes it sexier..lol.
Also, pics of guys in certain dom/sub positions that seem sexy and inviting.
omfggg I wanna come home to this every day I could get lost in this little fag's assssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Thank you to all bottoms out there who are not only willing, but passionate about getting fucked. Amennnn
fffffffffffffff hnngggggg Ima jack off
>>1349827
Something about being dominated by someone stronger means being protected by someone stronger. Also its just so hot having a big man take advantage of me idk why. its a role i accept and sought after. just dont be a jerk about it.
if you want a deep/real answer its probably from how we were raised and who we looked up to and identified with as kids
>>1349845
i was also bullied a lot, idk if that has something to do with it
I'm a sub bottom and I think it's a combination. One: I physically enjoy the sensation of a man positioning me, telling me what to do, taking pleasure in my body forcefully.
Two: the idea that someone wants you so badly as to treat you that way is validating in a self-esteem kind of way. like their attraction for you is SO great that they can't even be nice to you about it, they just need to have you. right now, fag.
>>1349850
that makes sense. I wanna be that guy who's so turned on that I don't wanna control my actions, I jst wanna do whatever I fuckin want with a sexy ass guy. I miss sex..
>>1349850
>>1349860
I feed off of a mans horny energy to get off. Dom guys giving me forceful kisses, fondling me, and tossing me around just gets me excited.
So does being called names, but mainly of that comes from having sex. Being called a slut in normal conversation is meh unless we have a lot of rapport, but being called one in a horny text or while blowing his cock is heaven.
I like a balance of you being forceful and them letting me please you. Let me know you have the final control and take hild of that control sometimes, but also lay back and let me pleasure you. My rim and oral game is excellent, but its hard to give my best if you force me the entire time. You might even like it when I suck your nipples and your pits, if you let me.
I'm a sub bottom in a d/s relationship. Think I'm an outlier in being the more masculine one.
Honestly couldn't tell you why I'm submissive, but ever since I started messing about with guys I've been the sub one.
>>1349881
How did that start, and how far does the d/s dynamic go?
>>1349881
oh damnnnnn.. that's been my fantasy for a while now, topping masculine, built guys
. At this point I can't decide if feminine or masculine submissiveness attracts me more. With a slimmer, twinkish gay dude, I just wanna devastate his hole, throw him around, press myself against him, etc. With a more masculine guy, I wanna take it slower, make it more romantic, make him feel me more and more, deeper, and deeper, with slower but more intense moans.
Until, as always, I go fuckin ape shit crazy on that ass. that's always inevitable.
Throughout my whole childhood/teenage years I was essentially told by everyone around me that I was worthless and a waste of space and completely pathetic, so years later I still believe it. It's actually pretty fucked up.
Because of that, I am thankful whenever someone wants to even touch me. I will do anything, even humiliate myself, if it gives a better MAN than myself pleasure, as thanks for him giving me even a moment of his time.
The more superior the MAN is, the more submissive I get, since there's no reason why ANYONE would want to associate with me, let alone someone who's a pure alpha. Like, I'm the lowest of the low, if you're the best of the best, why would you ever want to touch me?
So basically, I do my best so that the MAN doesn't feel like he's wasted his time and energy, and maybe he'll call me a good boy, maybe he'll come back for more, maybe he'll touch me. Maybe he'll just put me in my place in the world so I can be who I really am, a worthless NOTHING, instead of having to pretend I'm normal like everyone else.
It's even hotter if they REFUSE to touch me. I had one MAN who would make me suck his dick and wouldn't even look at me or touch any part of my body, except to slap me for trying to jerk off. I worked my hardest every time, and never got a word of thanks, and he never touched me, but I kept coming back. He was a MAN who knew where my place in the world was, and all I wanted was for him to acknowledge me, and he never did. It only made me work harder and harder every time we met up, until eventually he got bored of me and never called again.
I loved every second of it. He put me in my place, and my throat gave him pleasure. Somehow, a disgusting waste of space like me gave a perfect specimen of a MAN pleasure.
>>1349899
World needs more people like you, people always expected me to top when I just wanted them to go ape shit crazy on my ass. Though BF says trying to get people to accept you're an aggressive top when you're a bit fem is even harder.
>>1349890
Started as a hookup, I wanted a fuck, he wanted some holes to pound. In between the sex we found we got on really well. One hookup turned into two, into three. From there we just kinda fell into a relationship.
Dynamic I find complicated to explain. Like six months ago, I would've said it was wholly sexual. But recently spent some time with another sub (and his dom) and it made me re-evaluate my own. Like he makes most of the decisions, even though he'll include me. He doesn't care about what I wear, but if he tells me to plug myself, or wear a collar, I do. He's my keyholder for the chastity cage. He'll punish me for behaviour he dislikes, and I accept those punishments. Plus the whole sexual side, and consent non-consent.
But we're also romantic, we kiss and cuddle, we'll netflix and chill, play games, go out. There's a vanilla bit too.
>>1349827
It's something I've thought about a lot, but I really don't know. I've only had experience with vanilla stuff, but the idea of being dominated turns me on more than anything. I especially love the idea of someone younger being much taller and stronger and just taking over... something that wouldn't be hard to do since I'm only 5'5" and 115 lbs.
I'm pretty masculine and never been bullied... so maybe it's just my small size that makes me feel more submissive. I also like it when other people make decisions for me in general.
I liked this thread. Thanks for sharing your experiences.
I've always been a fan of being a sub to a bigger, more muscular guy; but I cant bottom ALL the time. Like, I need to be able to be dom some of the time; but it just looks a little weird because im usually smaller than the guys I go after.
Then again im not really into the whole master / slave roles that sometimes goes with d/s. So, I dunno.
Here's hoping I find it one day.
>>1349959
Not all dom/sub stuff needs formal roles. It can be as simple as the top being controlling during sex.
>>1349827
Incoming massive fucking wall of text detailing my sub/ rape victim fantasies. Ill try to post some pics alongside.
I am fairly twunkish, skinny, 28, and pretty masculine. I have also almost always been in a fairly dominant role sexually with all of my partners. Im attracted to mostly fem guys and only on occasion do more masculine guys do it for me. Whenever Im with a partner, its always been me on top, making them beg for my load. I love seeing a twinks cock flop around while i give it to him. I also have my fair share of fetishes, a few of which Ive shared with partners. That said, in the past few years Ive discovered a fantasy that makes me rock fucking hard and makes me cum like a firehose that i was never fapping to before, and that is that I want to be raped, hard, by an alpha guy (or guys) who are bigger than me.
I cant really explain it, it just turns me on so fucking much, the idea of being used, degraded, emasculated, humiliated, and/or feminized by someone more masculine, fighting against it but being overpowered, protesting for it to stop but secretly loving it deep down, its such an amazing turn on. The fantasies will typically have the following aspects (cont)
>>1350512
>the guy (or guys) forcing me down in a public place and taking me against my will
>grabbing me by the balls and using that to control me, squeezing or pulling on them if i resist, slapping them around just to hear me squeal in a high pitched voice and then laughing at me over what a girly bitch i sound like
>insulting the size of my cock, saying that it is 'practically a clit' and calling me a woman. also referring to my balls as 'ovaries'
>making fun of me when my cock gets hard and starts dripping when they start to manhandle me, pointing out how obvious it is that i want this even as i struggle and cry out for them to stop (which is true)
>insulting me, calling me bitch, whore, faggot, queer, princess, slut, etc
>emasculating me, pointing out how much bigger and stronger than me they are, how im basically a girl
>pointing out that they are REAL men, ALPHA males, whereas im just a sissy bitch whose only role in life is to be used by those men for their pleasure (this is a big one)
>telling me that they are 'showing me my place', and that since I am a sissy weakling who has failed at being a man, that I am now no better than a woman, and that now my only role in life is to be used for my holes, as a cumdumpster, for the alpha men of the world to relieve their masculine reproductive urges on (I should point out that I am not misogynist and that I dont hate or think less of women, its just hot to have that inflicted on me within the context of this fantasy.)
>treating me like i have no rights and raping me anywhere, at any time, forcing me to my knees and shoving their huge veiny cocks in my mouth and ass
>>1350516
>laughing at how they can make me crazy by playing with my nipples (which actually are very sensitive irl, i can cum handsfree from playing with them), pointing out what a sluttly little princess i am for getting off from my 'titties' being played with
>raping me in public, making fun of how everyone can see how helpless and weak i am and that they can do whatever they want to me just because theyre stronger. Tying me up somewhere, like to a tree in a public park, and taking turns on me while passersby take pictures and videos of me whimpering and crying like a bitch as i get fucked. Spitroasting me, taking turns on both my holes, shooting load after load both into me and all over me. Pointing out how I am hard and dribbling cum, which indicates that i obviously like this even if i am acting like i dont (which again is true).
>after theyre done with me, leaving me there until eventually one of the people passing by sees fit to untie me, leaving me to make my way home, naked and covered from head to toe with dried cum.
>not touching my cock or allowing me to touch my cock at all, forcing me to get off entirely from them using me and fucking me(another big one). After all, I dont fucking matter. I am just here to serve alpha males, to be used for their pleasure. it is my place in the world, why I exist. I need to learn to cum just from how happy and grateful I am that these men were gracious enough to fuck me with their glorious cocks, how lucky I am that I get to drink and be showered in their delicious sperm, that I get to feel the indescribable joy of feeling them squirt their milk up into my pussy. Whether I cum or not is of no consequence. If I cant learn to cum from the joy of serving real men, then I dont fucking deserve to have an orgasm at all. This of course only acts as a huge incentive for me to be even more of a sissy whore, wanting men to pound me in the ass in the hopes that their big cocks beating against my prostate will get me off.
>>1350518
>potentially putting me in chastity, taking my emasculation to the extreme by literally taking my penis away from me. Now i couldnt touch or pleasure myself even if I wanted to. Even if i wanted to masturbate it now HAS TO BE by playing with my nipples and pussy like a proper slut. I now NEED men to use me if I want to get off, and even then, it can only be from my ass. Ive never actually had a prostate orgasm irl, but I want to so fucking bad and I feel like this fantasy gets me closer than anything else. Ive been looking into possibly getting one of those opaque metal cages (so that I cant even see my cock). I kind of wish there were some that covered the balls as well, just so that all traces of masculinity can be completely hidden from sight when i wear it. Then again, this would prevent the guys from being able to grab me by the balls.
>making me wear panties and makeup, forcing me to dress in slutty womens clothes and accompany them into public places, not so much in the role of a 'girlfirend' but more as just one of the many whores they keep in their harem, just in case they want to use me while theyre out. Theyd make me hang off their arm at all times, treating me like a trophy, showing me no respect, showing me off to their friends and offering to let them use me if they want.
>this will go on for a while, and eventually I discover that I love being fucked and used so much that give in and become a full time crossdressing trap, forever swearing off all illusions of being male, femmey enough to have a hands free orgasm just from blowing a guy.
>Ill eventually start begging them to 'make me pregnant' by cumming inside me, and that I want to carry their children.
Its hard to find porn for this too. Minuets Sauvages helps a lot, as do some FraternityX videos, some yaoi, and a lot of Sissy Tumblrs that I am now frequenting.
>>1350524
I havent stopped fapping to all my previous fantasies, and I still want a twink boyfriend to impale on my dick. But now, in addition to those fantasies, i have this one. And because of this one, I have a new realistic silicone dildo that I am training myself on. Weird thing is, I dont feel any need to femininze in my normal life. I feel no urge to crossdress or wear makeup or anything like that. This stuff only pops up in my fantasies of getting raped by hot alpha guys.
Why does this turn me on? I dont fucking know. Why do people jack off to pokemon? Why do people jack off to feet? Whenever you ask someone why they have a certain fetish, theres never going to really be any answer other than 'because my brain chemistry has dictated that that sort of content will turn me on like a fucking maniac.' It doesnt really matter why, just go shoot your load.
And you know what? Ive never bottomed irl >fml
>>1349831
Well, it's not like I chose to get off on pleasuring men. Getting a man to cum for me is so satisfying that I don't even feel the need to cum myself after him and I feel relieved just as much as if I did.
It's not just about topping/bottoming. I'm submissive, but I don't bottom.
It's about the mindgames of teasing and mentally "using" a slave. Degradation and humiliation can be VERY powerfully erotic, more than almost anything else for some.
>>1350713
Sauce.?
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>>1350949
sauce?
>>1350949
>>1350713
Been looking forever for this shit, whats the source.
>>1349914
what do you look like pics ty
>>1350526
Xenoestrogens.
>>1349827
I used to be like this, but then I realised my ongoing and at sometimes unhealthily reverent fascination with the 'mysterious nature' of subby guys was something I'd basically made up because it made my dick harder.
Domming someone is hot, and it's even hotter when you convince yourself you're giving them something that it is beyond your ability to understand because it enhances your sense of dominance. But there is no mystery - guys like to be dominated, that really is all there is to it. stop worrying and enjoy your life
>>1349827
>Why do you like to be submissive? Why do you like to dominate?
Studies have shown that female lambs (ewes) when doused with testosterone in utero will try to mount other females when they reach adulthood.
it appears that sex hormones in the womb have an effect on the maturing brain. more testosterone at certain times during pregnancy will 'masculinize' the brain and make the resulting offspring more dominant, at least in sheep.
it is postulated that similar hormonal events occur which feminize the brain, resulting in submissive animals.
the best guess is that corresponding processes occur in humans.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3602628/
http://www.biolreprod.org/content/79/1/43.full
>>1351869
I think there was some study that tried to show how this pattern is shown in humans. Something along the lines of woman being more adept at "feminising" her male fetus the more times she consecutively has boys (I'm paraphrasing here, I'm sure the study and the process are alot more advanced than that). If there's any truth to it then atleast it makes sense in my case since I'm the 3rd born son and I'm the only one who's gay from us three, and I'm also a bottom and on the more submissive side. So maybe?
Man, I wish I could find more dominant guys who are into me >_<. I guess despite how non-masculine I try to look, my genetics have determined that people will forever assume I'm a dom-top, or something, because that's what everyone seems to expect.
For me, I get off on giving someone else pleasure more than I enjoy doing things for my own pleasure. I know a lot of guys love being fucked, and when I've been with bottoms, I've enjoyed being a top. But it's not the same as feeling a guy on top of me, pressing his body against me, doing whatever he wants. I love when I see a guy bite his lip, trying to hold in a moan of pleasure, when a guy pushes my head down so I take his whole dick when I'm giving head. It's a shame it's so rare for me to find guys who want to dominate me in that way :(.
>>1349827
It's kind of hard to describe. It just feels right/natural for me to be the passive sexual partner, and any kind of other position feels wrong.
I'm most attracted to guys taller than me, bigger and more masculine with some body/facial hair. It just gives me major kicks watching and feeling guys experience so much pleasure when they let me suck their dick or fuck me. It makes me horny as fuck and motivates me to keep on going.
Psychologically, I guess I have always been inclined to be in a position where I am not in an overt leadership role - in work, study, hobby, etc - and I don't have any strong inclinations to be in one (unless the situation is so fucked up and/or people are so incompetent there's no other choice lol) - rather, I'd prefer to follow the lead of strong, reliable, and competent person, and quite often I automatically seek out that person in any new situation I'm in. I look for those qualities in a partner as well, so I guess that has rubbed off on my sexual preferences too.. strong, dominant, in control, secure.
>>1351995
Im the first born and I'm gay, mostly a bottom and submissive. Random studies on the internet without details about the experiment process are exactly what it sounds like.
>>1352034
Literally everything you said is exactly how I identify psychologically and sexually. 100% - it's pretty uncanny.
Even in terms of sex - when guys tell me that I should try topping, just the thought of it feels "off" and totally not suited to me.
>>1351616
Are those something where you take them and are turned into an alien
my relationships with women have mostly followed traditional roles. present is mostly a bottom. one was a switch, which was good, and a fuckbuddy was dominant, which was perfect. like other people said it's comforting. it feels great knowing that you're turning someone on so much, but it's also about your pleasure. idk there's something both intimate and raw about it. unfortunately the men i've fucked have been bottoms primarily. they tried topping me but it didn't work out well, sloppy drunk and drugged out sex. i didn't have much interest in topping them, except one twink. most gay sex i've had has been very mediocre. some day i'll have these needs fulfilled.
origin? idk. maybe adolescent sexual experiences were a part of it. i've been an opiate addict for a long while so my testosterone is no doubt lowered. stims and weed also make me seek this stuff out. it's just something i've always fantasized about, and the majority of what i've wanked to for like a decade, queer sex of whatever sort.
because I want to feel you dominate me, your dominant muscle body fucking me while you choke my throat and call me fag. because you own me and I am your slave
i just always wanted to submit to an alpha: even if he wants to make me suffer a little. it just turns me on.
>tfw this whole dom/sub thing is lost on you
>tfw you just want a relationship based on equality in all aspects
You faggots better not trying to post any male model pic in this thread. Sickfucks.
>>1353688
>>1349827
Cause I have a tiny little cock and I'm a sad excuse for a man. I can only hope to satisfy a real man who would be willing to lower himself to using me. Pls sir.
I like it when a faggot bends over and offers his hole to me. It is like he is acknowledging that I'm more of a man than he is and that his ass is there for my pleasure.
>>1352038
But the "more sons = higher chance of gay sons" study actually HAS been vetted medically. It doesn't mean that ONLY later sons can be gay, just that it's one (of many) factors that can increase the chances.
I feel like I'm sub but not into butt stuff,but
I'll blow a hot guy all day long. What's wrong with me.
>>1354307
Sub but not bottom. There are dom guys who like getting butt fucked, they'll just be in charge while it happens.
versa/top here. its just insanely hot when a guy is eager for my dick. its what turns me on the most really. i only bottom for guys with a bigger dick than me + are about as tall as me, which rarely happens (6'5"). only bottommed for my black fuckbuddy so far who meets those requirements.
other than that i just love to hear i guy moan in pleasure and see/feel the precum dripping out of his dick as i fuck him. my ex boyfriend used to precum like hell even when he was just sucking me off. was hot as hell desu
>>1350526
Everything you described in your posts have been exactly my fantasies for the past two years or so, except I'm also bi (I think) and have been exclusively into women in my teenage years. So being overpowered, and used by stronger men is a complete 180 from earlier, which made it extremely arousing for me. Unfortunately I always lost interest as soon as I came.
I could never do stuff like eating my cum, because no matter how much I promised myself I'd do it, as soon as I came it was like I became a different person (or rather went back to normal after being a different person). I also backed out from all the hookups I've arranged like a little bitch.
So I guess similarly to the way you don't want to be feminized irl, I also only wanted it when I was horny.
But as time went on I realized I needed this, because every time I gave in to this feeling it felt like being on mdma or some shit, I could feel it in my entire body. There was something about not being able to resist. In a way this was also what you described as fighting and resisting, but ultimately loving it deep down. I also took it further every time I gave in to it, eventually ordering a dildo a buttplug and panties.
I realized I was slowly but surely going in a direction, and I could no longer believe myself when I said "alright no more of this, there's no way I'd actually do this irl".
That was when I made the decision to permanently give up. I ordered a chastity cage, put it on, and buried it in my garden under the place I park my car. I did this so that I'd have the key, but it would take too much effort to take it off immediately in case I snapped out of the sissy mindset again.
Cont
>>1350526
>>1354422
The cage worked like a charm together with the sissy hypno files I listened to every night, and now I didn't go back to my "normal" state of mind for a single minute. Now I was permanently horny on some level, and I knew I wanted to be a sissy bitch dominated and used by strong alpha men.
I eventually became horny enough to live out my fantasy, and had sex with a masculine top. He wasn't really dominant, but he held me down, and fucked me hard. The moment he entered my hole, I knew this would become a regular thing. I don't think I had ever felt that kind of endorphin and serotonin rush without drugs before.
I still live as a guy, but I'm moving away this summer, specifically to get away from everyone I know, and become a permanent sissy slut.
Looking back I feel like this was like waking down a road, and going all the way was inevitable from the moment I stepped on it.
I didn't realize this before, but I never went backwards on this road, even though I felt like it in the beginning. Every time I was in my "normal" mindset (which doesn't really exist now) I thought I was successfully fighting it off, but I could never stop myself from starting again, and going a step further that time.
It was a decision to get the cage, and completely forsake my normal identity, but I feel like I made this decision the moment I started fantasizing about being used, and feminized, and it was just a matter of time. And I'm 100% happy about making that choice, and if I could go back I'd change nothing.
I don't know if you're ready for this, or even if you'll ever want this, everyone is different after all, but if you're even considering doing it for real, or going all the way, I think you should get a chastity cage. Just put it on while you're practicing with your dildo, and if the permanent thing is not for you, it's your decision, you can just stop at any point if that's really what you want.
Cont
>>1349827
It is important to divorce top/bottom preference with the psychology of dominance and submission when considering its roots in our sexual lives.
I can only speak from my own experience, but I will give you the conclusions I have drawn from considering why I like what I like.
Firstly, I am a dom. I am attracted to being a sub, but the reasoning behind it is also the reason why I am a dom. That is: power and control.
I enjoy dominating because it primarily lets me do unto others how I would like done unto me. Now, my tastes aren't really the norm. I'm into bondage, and my deepest fantasy is to be tied up in a specific way and masturbated past the point where I've cum, such that it's overwhelming, even torturous. Yet, every other dom I've met has wanted to fuck me when I'm tied up, and I'm very much not into that. So, instead, I take the role of dom and play the scene how I want it to be.
This is where things get interesting psychologically. I already said that I don't like anal; I hate getting fucked, and I don't like fucking. And yet, when I have someone tied up and helpless, the prospect of fucking them gets me hard. If the sub wants it, I gladly do it. But I would be repulsed if someone asked me to fuck him when we're both occupying the position of equals. I'll give head in those cases, and I'll play with all his most sensitive erogenous zones to make him blow his load all over, but I get soft if I try to fuck someone without tying them up first.
So there you have it. My psychology of sex.
>>1354432
Just an addendum I forgot to mention: as a dom, I am not into guys who are clearly subs. In fact, I don't even like most gay guys. If it feels to me like the other person wants it when I have them tied up, I'm not interested.
Obviously, I don't breach consent or actively consider rape, but it goes back to the power thing I talked about. I haven't seized power if someone has practically knotted the ropes themselves.
Several years ago I successfully pulled off my ideal encounter. My straight friend was shortly to move in with me, and I had cleared out everything in the room he wanted aside from a hook in the ceiling that I used to tie guys up. Because he was moving in part way through the month I offered to help him out by not charging him the first few weeks of rent, but only if he would let me tie him up in the way I wanted. The way that he was only relatively comfortable because he trusted me, and did everything I wanted with the slightest hint of hesitation, acquiescing only because he was helpless and compelled to satisfy the terms of the agreement completed the picture perfectly. Plus, he ejaculated onto the far wall after I had edged him for the better part of half an hour. The memory of him completely naked, arms stretched up as I had tied them to the ceiling, ankles tied together, and genitals tightly bound, breath heavy in the throes of an orgasm I took him to has provided more than enough to masturbate to many times since.
I grew up in an abusive home so part of my desire to submit may stem from my inability to feel safe in the company of other humans. I constantly keep my guard up mentally cataloging peoples actions and reactions then responding in the way that will result in the highest amount of goodwill. It's fucked, I know, I've been working on it and have gotten much better at not wrecking myself to take care of other people when I need to take care of myself.
I like the dichotomy between a man capable of tying me up, fucking my face until tears stream down my face and letting me know that my only purpose is their pleasure. While simultaneously untying me afterwards, putting ointment on any bruises or abrasions and cuddling me to sleep. In those times I am perfectly able to let go and just do what I am ordered and let what I am feeling flow. It feels so nice to submit to another persons will, I've spent so much of my life resisting what other people think that letting go of all my masks is one of the most pleasurable experiences I can have. Regular vanilla sex is nice for this too but it doesn't force the issue enough to get me to truly relax unless it goes on for a significant period of time and for most men that's too much of a hassle. Another major factor of this "relaxation" is the fact that I'm required to maintain a high level of self control as I work with dangerous chemicals, design experiments and have to maintain perfect technique while interacting with colleagues and research advisers in a "professional" manner.
Another facet is wanting to belong to a person fully, to devote my sexual and romantic life to a single being who I trust to take care of me. Submitting forces me to trust and magnifies it every time that I trust and it works out in the end. If it works out I start feeling a little like a puppy, my intentions distill and through enough repetitions purify into some strange wondrous thing just for the one who worked it out of me.
>>1354464
Oh yeah and if you can't tell I'm a bottom and I like masculine men. I myself am not very feminine in appearance, usually, but I like to bake and other shit people think is girly. The thick red beard and wrestler body tend to throw people off a bit. This is with a grain of salt as part of stopping giving a fuck I don't try to modulate my actions on a feminine masculine scale so for all I know I could be a little fairy in other peoples eyes. Round chicks I amp up the fagness cause it makes them comfortable, round my bros we just smoke, drink and play super smash bros and have a good time. Both can be fun in their own way but I prefer hanging out with masculine girls over regular girls cause they don't need me to act like a fairy to make sure that I don't want to get in their pants.
>>1354432
god i hate bottoms who think they are tops
>>1354550
I hate fuckers who think they are the authority on human psychology.
>>1354436
That's hot. I wish I was hesitant about submitting because that's how I like my fantasies the most, but the truth is that I'm very willing when it comes to it. A person would have to be VERY overwhelming with theie dominance or introduce a new fetish or do something else to rattle me into being truly nervous. It's not impossible but it's difficult. Fortunately plenty of people prefer "slutty" subs so I don't go without, but I don't think I'd be able to love out my true ideal fantasy unless it was from the point of view of a dom. Maybe when I'm older...
I want to get kicked in the a balls by another guy.
I only really like to submit during sexy times/ when I'm horny. Probably because I'm fairly domineering in my social life. But who knows? Pic related, me.
I should also mention that people trying to be dominant with me when i'm NOT in the mood is one of the most irritating things on the planet. I can understand the whole chastity thing from the Doms perspective. Never let em cum, never have to deal with them not wanting to submit anymore.
I love dick and I'm a little submassive bitch and I'd kill to have another big cock down my throat to worship it and take the pain from it fucking my tight ass just please the cock id worship
sauce plz?
>>1354422
nice to see that im not the only one.
>I could never do stuff like eating my cum, because no matter how much I promised myself I'd do it, as soon as I came it was like I became a different person (or rather went back to normal after being a different person)
every guy knows this feel. The only way around it is when youve been edging yourself for so long that you start to get some free squirts of cum shooting out without you actually hitting orgasm or entering the refractory period. when that happens to me, those squirts get slurped up real quick
>I think you should get a chastity cage. Just put it on while you're practicing with your dildo
thats the plan. I already have a 'hands off the cock' rule when im riding the toy, but Im hoping that being physically unable to touch myself will make it even more exciting
do you crossdress now? do you have an alpha?
I'm slim and pretty laid back and quiet in my day to day interactions, but I love dominating bigger more muscular guys, especially because I have a big cock and I love seeing these butch masculine men become sluts who beg for it and want me to ram it down their throats and up their cunts.
Both parties can find this scenario to be good stress relief.
Hot thread guys, keep going.
I'm a very controlling person in my daily life. I'm in charge at work and I'm controlling to a fault in my relationships (romantic or otherwise). But, when it comes to sex, I crave being dominated.
I guess it stems from being bullied all my life. I like younger, skinny guys, a type I guess I’ve had because all my bullies were scrawny teens.
I enjoy pleasuring the other guy. This scenario is common between a lot of fags, but the idea of sucking a guy off while he plays videogames or watches sports makes me diamonds. You know, bringing him a beverage, massaging his feet, licking his toes and then sucking his dick until he drops his load down my throat while he watches some obnoxious game on ESPN, that sounds perfect. I am hooked on his responses. Each moan he lets out, and excuse the corniness of this, is like a fucking precious gift he gives me. It means I’m excelling at my job of giving him pleasure. Most of the times I give head, I don’t even expect (or need) to cum. Just sucking that load from his dick is more than enough for me.
cont
>>1355140
Also, I enjoy being mistreated and humiliated. Being slapped turns me on immensely, especially if it’s hard enough to hurt for a good couple of hours. Most subs have hard and soft limits and I’m willing to push my soft limits if my dom orders me so. For example: if a guy cums on the floor and tells me to lick it off the floor, I’ll be totally grossed out, and will probably complain a little, but will do it if he slaps me and orders me sternly. I will take no pleasure from doing that, since I genuinely find it fucking disgusting, but if it brings pleasure to the dom, it will be worth it. And well, I’m there to serve him… right?
However, I also have very specific kinks I enjoy, like drinking piss, kissing and licking feet, worshipping armpits, being called names, etc… and I’ll be totally disappointed if I feel like doing one of those and my master doesn’t order me to do that specific task. Once or twice I’ve begged to be ordered to do something, which totally killed the mood and emasculated my dom (since I was basically telling him how to dom). So, I guess even in subbing I can be a little dominating.
>>1354423
>>1354422
Everything you described in your post (and his) have been my fantasies as well but I dont think I want to take it further IRL than crossdressing in private because it gives me such a rush. But even this, and all the sissy hypno and sissy porn I'm glad I recognize as a fetish and not a lifestyle because I had no such attraction before discovering it (apart from 2D traps) and wouldn't even be on this board right now if I didnt. But while your situation and that anons fantasy sound so hot I just don't feel like taking it to the next level like that would be something I want to do at all, despite how hot you make it sound.
Though maybe if I did like you did and bought a chastity cage I would change my mind but I don't know, I never liked or got the appeal of those even when browsing all the sissy hypno videos and tumblrs that show them, since I guess I recognize that I do this to fap to and get off in a way normal porn just doesn't do it for me anymore and this is just the progression of a porn addiction going back years starting on /d/ with traps/futa.
I dont think I want to cross the line from fetish to fantasy despite how hot the idea is when I fap.
I want to make love, to touch another man's soul. I don't want there to be judgment or disrespect
>>1354854
Well I keep the cage on at pretty much all times now (still gotta take it off for shaving and cleaning), and I also have a buttplug in me for most of the day. The buttplug has a jiggle ball that makes it amazing to walk around in, and together with the cage they make me incredibly horny all the time. My underwear is pretty much soaked with precum all the time because I leak so much.
But I don't crossdress or have female clothing, because I still live with my parents, so "what if" is the name of the game here. I once had a pair of panties, but I threw them away in a post fap regret state.
I also don't have an alpha, but I do hook up with tops from time to time. I've been with 5 so far, the first one ever was amazing, not because of anything special he did, but because all I could think of was "this is it, I'm taking a dick in my ass and every bit of it feels real. I've only ever moved forward with this, so being a bottom bitch is now my future forever". I was shaking, and I could barely take normal breaths from the excitement, I swear it was like finding the door to fucking narnia or something.
So anyway being physically unable to touch yourself really does take things to the next level.
Now that next level is of course different for each person, but if you keep practicing with your dildo I'm sure it will help a ton with that.
Some people say that it doesn't help with achieving hands free orgasms, but it does for the simple reason that you try harder if you're locked up. Often you just get too exhausted before you get there, because it's a lot of work. Also orgasming hands free is a lot different than a normal orgasm, it doesn't feel like a buildup and a release, and it doesn't put you in that shitty regret state that doesn't let you eat your cum. The first time I did it it actually surprised me, because it was just a load of cum pouring out without me feeling anything in my dick (which was also limp at the time).
>>1355363
Well like I said it was a decision for me to go all the way. It was like I didn't fully want it, but I wanted to want it, so I made myself want it if that makes any sense at all.
So getting a chastity cage doesn't mean you're going to start doing stuff you didn't want to do, it's all up to you.
I totally get why you don't see the the appeal in cages, back when I was just fapping to traps, and started watching sissy hypnos I thought they looked stupid and cringey. I still think this to some extent, cages never appealed to me visually, and I've never thought they looked "cute" or anything. I do think however, that they can be extremely useful in reaching new levels of pleasure. Either in helping you with prostate orgasms (which feel absolutely incredible by the way), or by just making you so frustratedly horny that even normally jacking off will feel unusually amazing. And more pleasure is good right?
Also if you like sissy hypnos and that rush you get from crossdressing you should try sissy hypno audio files. I'm not saying they're inherently better than videos, but they allow you to lay down and relax, and they also feel much more personal than video files. Being in trance is amazing in itself, and combining that with the guilty pleasure from sissy stuff is just great.
There's a shitton of free files on warpmymind.com if you're interested.
>>1349827
Id like to have someone dominate me and have me respect them/look up to them.
Everyone thinks I'm a top though because I have a strong personality, a deep voice or don't come across gay at all :/
>>1355363
The thing about cages is that really, you can still get hard while wearing them, and you can still easily masturbate and cum. I think the appeal comes from the idea that its a sort of power (or rather, lack-of-power) fantasy. The idea that someone else has dominated you so completely that they are dictating what parts of your own body you can and cant have access to is incredibly hot if youre into that sort of thing. Also, while its possible to get off in a cage, its not really all that possible to have penetrative sex while youre in one, at least not as a top, not if its well made. This means that the cage has effectively stolen from you the ability to sexually function as a male, and now the only way for you to experience intercourse is for somebody else to fuck YOU. Thats hugely sexy in the emasculation/ feminization department. You can get hard in a cage, but you cant really see or use the erection at all. So again, the ability for you to have a huge glorious boner poking out for all the world to see, a distinctly male experience and something that women will never know, has been taken from you by someone else.
It can also be really exciting in the sense that it 'raises the stakes' during masturbation. Its one thing to have a hands off rule while riding a toy, but its another to have a physical, tangible thing there, blocking access to your penis. It makes you put more effort into it and really focus on the sensation of getting fucked when you have this idea of 'its this or nothing, if I want to have an orgasm, if I want to NOT be left horribly blue balled and frustrated, I HAVE TO CUM LIKE A GIRL.' And if you go to the trouble of locking it before hand and then putting the key in a place you cant easily get to while fapping (like outside, as another anon said), that raises them even more.
a penis is a symbol of power. to have that taken from you, well its pretty obvious to see why that would be a turn on to someone into domination or humiliation.
>>1351869
But what if you like being dominant AND being submissive?
>>1355363
>I dont think I want to cross the line from fetish to fantasy
whats the difference?
I like when their aggression only comes out during intimate times, normally they are a cuddly teddy bear.
But when he gets turned on he knows what is his and gets what he wants, but isn't a dick about it.
Being able to trust someone with your well being is also a very nice feeling.
And knowing someone even wants to fuck you is comforting.
>>1356383
oh yeah bb hold me down
>>1354424
Ayyy Jaha get off of 4chan
>>1355844
Oh anon, the reason I even got into this fetish was because of Isabella Valentine erotic hypnosis, I think it was posted on /b/ a lot, well after a few years of that I found sissy hypno trainers and yeah it escalated. Goddess Grace, MsJ though are the ones that really feel like total brainwashing, it helps with the robotic tone of the text to sppech voice I guess. Have had some interesting things happen after long sessions of files from those two..
>>1355892
Well when you put it that way I can kinda see why they can be so hot. I still don't feel at all able to wear or order one in my current situation but wow, kinda warming up to the idea, I mean it is really hot to emasculate yourself that much, but idk
Like I said I want to keep the line between fetish and reality (not fantasy whoops) drawn and clear and I already crossdressed and it felt really good but I dont really wanna take it further than that i think..
>>1355901
Yeah meant fetish to reality, oops.
Total sub. Just love to please I guess
>Had a hookup with a daddy type
>He had me shower while he watched first
>The gives me a massage
>After I'm fully relaxed he starts really passionately making out with me
>Starts to become more dominate as we're making out
>Eventually shoves me head onto his dick
>Face fucks me for a while
>Pulls out and climbs on top of me
>He's substantially heavier then I am, he has me totally pinned
>I physically could not away from him even if I wanted to
>Rubs his dick around my hole
>Talking dirty to me the whole time
>Doesn't end up fucking me, cums onto my chest though
It was so hot, knowing that he could of done anything to me and not being able to resist both aroused and terrified me.
>>1349915
Hope you're still around.
Would you please describe yourself and Dom in physical terms - build/hairiness?
And, what physical activities you each do, such as weight training, football/soccer, etc?
What you have so intrigues and excites me...
Thanks for helping.
>>1349827
Idk anon, I'm the type of guy who is kinda aggressive/dominant in real life, but really likes to be fucked like a little whore sometimes. I kinda like to dominate people too... Im a little promiscuous, but im safe. Anyway, people say i have that kinda "angry/aggressive" sex tpersonality thing if i'm fucking a guy, or girl.
Idk, something about being out of control. Being used... like an object of their desire. They may mistreat you and abuse you a little, but they know you like it. you like the objectification of being treated like a toy purely for their amusement and pleasure.
>>1350531
this guy gets it
>>1355916
I think this is what would be tha happiest medium for me in a relationship. For random fucks and fwbs I enjoy the roleplay and more elaborate setups. But for a partner I think I'd be happy with a guy thats aggressive in bed but doesn't try that whole thing about making D/s your whole aspect of the relationship.
I do think I'd still ideally want dirty talk (slut, baby) while in bed though.
>>1357197
Sounds like a hot time, Im glad you enjoyed anon
>He had me shower while he watched first
That stuck out to me. I'm realizing I have an exhibition streak and the idea of a dominant guy watching me while I shower or something similar sounds how as hell. Was he naked or did he keep his clothes onat that point?
>>1356678
Im pretty sure that so long as this stuff stays in the bedroom and youre not wearing a cage to work or something, then that counts as it not crossing the line from fantasy to reality
dont let your dreams be dreams anon
>>1349827
We live in such a competitive world. We compete for money, we compete for status, we compete for jobs, we compete for partners, we are always competing. And in that competition, we have learned to not show anything that could be interpreted as a flaw. Our fears, our sadnesses, our insecurities, we hide them all away for fear that theyll make us look bad, or that our competitors will use them against us. This is especially true for men, as we live in a society that tells men that showing emotion equates to weakness. We are always standing up for ourselves, and its tiring. The 'standing up for yourself' part of the brain can become exhausted. That, in my opinion, is where subbing comes in.
when you submit to someone, when you become their sub or their sissy, you are bending over for them (perhaps literally) and saying "I cant hide it any more. You are better than me. Youre bigger than me, youre stronger than me, youre smarter than me, youre more attractive than me, youre more emotionally stable than me. You are in every way my superior, and I admire you so much. I want you to to own me. It would bring me so much joy. Show me my place. Use my body for your pleasure. Remind me how much better you are than me, because then it will turn me on so much more that you chose me as your mate." You may not believe any of this stuff outside of your sex life, but still, you are finally giving that part of your brain a rest, and it can be an incredible relief.
I dont know where this stuff comes from. Rape victim fantasies are incredibly common, and may be a defense mechanism against rape itself. Back in the early days of humanity, rape was much more common, and because a womans sex organs dont lubricate unless shes aroused, those sex organs could become very seriously injured from some rapist jamming it in dry. So rape fantasies were evolved so that a woman could get wet even if she was being attacked, reducing the chances of injury. If girls can get it, guys can too.
>>1349850
sauce?
>>1357631
I feel like that's a bit analytical. Sissy boys just exist and fit that part. And with gay men there's no shortage of them.
>>1357631
>We live in such a competitive world. We compete for money, we compete for status, we compete for jobs, we compete for partners, we are always competing. And in that competition, we have learned to not show anything that could be interpreted as a flaw. Our fears, our sadnesses, our insecurities, we hide them all away for fear that theyll make us look bad, or that our competitors will use them against us. This is especially true for men, as we live in a society that tells men that showing emotion equates to weakness. We are always standing up for ourselves, and its tiring. The 'standing up for yourself' part of the brain can become exhausted. That, in my opinion, is where subbing comes in.
>when you submit to someone, when you become their sub or their sissy, you are bending over for them (perhaps literally) and saying "I cant hide it any more. You are better than me. Youre bigger than me, youre stronger than me, youre smarter than me, youre more attractive than me, youre more emotionally stable than me. You are in every way my superior, and I admire you so much. I want you to to own me. It would bring me so much joy. Show me my place. Use my body for your pleasure. Remind me how much better you are than me, because then it will turn me on so much more that you chose me as your mate." You may not believe any of this stuff outside of your sex life, but still, you are finally giving that part of your brain a rest, and it can be an incredible relief.
Truer words have never been spoken.
>Rape victim fantasies are incredibly common, and may be a defense mechanism against rape itself. Back in the early days of humanity, rape was much more common, and because a womans sex organs dont lubricate unless shes aroused, those sex organs could become very seriously injured from some rapist jamming it in dry. So rape fantasies were evolved so that a woman could get wet even if she was being attacked, reducing the chances of injury.
no
>>1357659
I agree with the disagreement of the rape and lubrication. But there is still something in that idea that strikes something. What that is I don't know. But worth looking into.
>>1356590
I will if you take the key :^)
>>1357644
True
>>1357631
>youre more emotionally stable than me.
If only this was always actually true. For a lot of doms, it doesn't take long for you to have known them to start seeing the insecurity behind the mask. A few will show cracks before you even meet. You often have to factor that into the equation along with all the rest (looks, sexual tastes, dom style, etc) when you choose to find someone to submit for.
We're all human and I'm generally a personable guy, but I hope to largely fulfill my submissive urges and help you out in that sense, vs. Being purely a therapist. I find myself in that role enough in my personal desu.
>>1349914
That got me hard. You've got a good attitude for a little bitch.
Lets see some pics now
>I never understood why someone would want to submit, but thank jesus gays like that exist. Why do you wanna gag on my cock? Why do you want me to manhandle you, force your head up and down? Put my hand around your throat, and your jaw, and facefuck you? Dominate you in bed? etc.
this is so hot, I wish I had a dominant boyfriend
>>1349827
I like to be sub and a bottom because I enjoy getting pounded, simple as that.
Not really sure what it is. First time I was fucked I was pushed up against the wall and had my ass slapped, then he forced me onto his bed and made me bounce on his cock. Been a sub ever since.
If only he was a little skinnier and shaved his face, damn. Would have been perfect.
>>1357194
>1357194
mmm , what the source .
cant post the webm here because size but
>>>/gif/8524914
goddamn I have never been so jealous of a bottom. now THAT is how you get fucked
>>1359487
i hate to ruin it for you but that may be a girl
>>1349827 (OP)
Personal phenomenological thingy concerning power-relationships:
Personally I've always been a shy, closed off person until I matured a bit and found my sexual interests. Being dominated for me is very much in the sense of lowering my guard and just being taken control of. And enjoying it, and feeling a sense of power in it, even. You willingly submit and there's something really liberating, something assertive in that. And also knowing that other appreciate it,
So yeah, sub bottom here. Also, full disclosure, high as fuck here.
>>1349827
Switch. Fond of blood-play, heavy S&M.
Tend to Dom because I'm a picky fuck and most every Dom I've found does it wrong.
And I react violently to humiliation while I'm vulnerable.
I'm a seething ball of paranoia, self-loathing and misanthropy. I was raised to hate everything and trust nothing.
I get around; sex is social interaction, and good social interaction is good for the psyche.
(4chan is also social interaction. Technically)
Probably be better if I could do vanilla sex, but the only way I can willingly interact with people is at emotional extremes, and my ability to feel physical and emotional sensation is so numb that I need extreme stimulation.
It's all still pretty dull. Except blood-play.
I fucking love blood.
My ennui works in the opposite direction of most's. I swim towards vanilla.
>>1350518
I envy your nipples.
Consider a HolyTrainer for cuteness, or a Tollyman for a total cock lockdown and a smooth crotch.
>>1360812
(cont)
>>1354464
How familiar.
I got some of that, but I mostly want to hurt people and be hurt. Preferably bloodily.
>>1354467
But mostly, it seems that you care far more about other people's opinions. It's odd.
I got into science because the nature of reality has fuck all to do with people, and I got out because studying nature involves too much people.
>>1354659
The fuck is with that hole in the floor beneath your balls?
>>1354661
Mmm, I'd fuck you bloody and lick you clean.
And D/s behavior outside of fucking or a clear and legitimate hierarchy infuriates me like little else.
>>1357631
That's exactly what I can't stand. I don't know if I've ever properly subbed, because I absolutely cannot tolerate admitting inferiority about anything meaningful to me. Even when I'm subbing(?), my mental narrative is that I'm using them to fuck me hard. I'm only pleasuring them because it would offend my pride if I didn't pay my debt incurred by them pleasuring me.
>>1358115
Oh, my insecurities and cracks are on full display. They're jagged and ragged and deep, and I fucking dare motherfuckers to jump on them. I'm very honest and straight-forward.
Thank god I'm self-employed, or I'd be a fucking hobo.
Good talking to you 4chan, see ya in a week.
>>1360813
You are right and not, I am practicing not caring what people I know think of me. It's more comfortable to be in a crowd of strangers then a room full of people I know. I have a lot of personality aspects that shouldn't exist together in a single person. Personally I'd rather just be alone but I can't be and it tears at my mind bit by bit. I'll probably go mad before I'm 60, mental illness runs in my family. Maybe that's why I like to submit myself to anothers will, I don't trust myself.
I just like science because I like to learn, I like to read to experience and uncover the world. To produce an honest rendition of the chaotic cosmic cascade that is existence and then to tune it to my desires. I'm happiest when I fit together all the pieces of information and the world fills with the music that always plays in my mind.
>>1360813
>I absolutely cannot tolerate admitting inferiority about anything meaningful to me
its not about honestly believing that anyone is better than you, its about acting a certain way in the bedroom because it makes you cum real hard
>>1359838
I have never bottomed but this webm makes me want to get fucked in the ass
>>1360813
I could probably try to make it work with someone blunt about their issues. Hiding behind the roles is what makes it not work as well for me I think.
Can't go for bloodplay though, sorry boss.
>>1360816
Embrace your demons and flaws as much as possible. To a large extent, I've found that flaws are a matter of perspective and usage.
I've got that "my personality is fucked and probably shouldn't exist" in spades, and I twist it until the edges mostly point outward and the remaining pain is embraced and fetishized.
Metaphorically, it's a concord of discord.
>>1360994
Been there, done that.
Really doesn't help.
>>1360995
Of course, but I couldn't do that act even if I wanted to. Raises my hackles.
>>1361011
Yeah, mediocre people hiding behind a mask of dominance is like an obese person in a bikini.
Pretentious bullshit. Gotta hate it.
Finding decent people who are into bloodplay is bloody hard, and red lube just isn't the same.
As fake and empty as a padded handcuff.
>>1357264
Late reply.
I'm 190ish cm, broad but slim. Not very hairy but dark haired, so the little hair I have you can kinda see (chest, ass etc.). I hike, jog and try and get to the gym couple times a week for weights, rowing etc. Should probably do more considering I work behind a desk but it's just finding the time.
He's 175ish (says he's 180 but he's fucking not), skinny, blonde-going-brown, smooth. He joins me with the jogging and hiking, but does about half the gym trips I do. He swims more though.
>>1360492
You summed up my experiences as well. It's also that I have a lot of high-stress shit to deal with in real life. Usually when something needs a leader/coordinator it ends up being me. Maybe I'm the most suited, maybe everyone else is just too lazy, maybe they trust me to get it done - idk. But I'm a reasonably quiet/shy guy, total introvert, and while I'm willing to do it to make sure everything's done correctly, it completely exhausts me.
I like letting go. Let someone else take control, dominate me, fuck me until I can't think straight.
There's gotta be love to it, though. Trust. I don't let this sort of thing bleed into my everyday life - I don't think it'd be healthy for me. A rough, loving, consensual fuck followed by kissing and cuddling is great.
>>1356816
Source??
>>1349827
>why do you like to be submissive?
Because I just feel like it, I find it more fun
>Does it align with your top/bottom preferences?
Yes
>I never understood why someone would want to submit
Why do you want to dominate? Its the same question, people just prefer different things sexual, could be their personality, how they were raised, early experiences in sex, etc.
>Why do you wanna gag on my cock? Why do you want me to manhandle you, force your head up and down? Put my hand around your throat, and your jaw, and facefuck you? Dominate you in bed? etc.
Because its hot as fuck, I want all of this to happen to my sissy ass~
>Does masculinity play a part? I'm a pretty neutral person in terms of masculine/feminine, but because I look masculine people want that from me.
I'm more masculine socially, and that adds to the hotness of being a sub. People think I'm this tough guy who doesn't take shit but I'm a giant sissy bitch who craves to be fucked like the slut I am
>>1360492
>that ideology
>high as fuck
Are you me?
>>1362265
Are you me? Sigh, no one knows me
>>1362265
welp, I'm turned on now...
>>1361519
Same on the Same on the loving-aspect, really. Luckily, I aim to please, and when my barriers are down I'm usually a pretty okay guy to hang out with, so things usually get pretty casual afterwards.
>>1362266
Well actually I've been thinking about my identity as a sexual thing (which until recently I've never actually seen myself as) quite a lot lately. It's super-interesting for me personally to realise that I have something to offer in that department. As a philosophy-major, this sort of weird analytical stuff just draws me in. Discussing super-subjective stuff like this is pretty great, too.
>>1353586
Damn, source?
>>1362484
>philosophy major
Good luck making a living with that.
Philosophy is a fucking joke, anyway. It's not useful, or deep; just pretentious ramblings.
If you aren't some shade of nihilist, you don't understand jack-shit about philosophy or reality, and you're just building sand castles under water.
If you want to study subjectivity, be an artist.
More useful, meaningful and creative to you and everyone else.
>former philosophy major, genetic engineer and wood/metalworker now
>>1362765
Oh, right, D/s.
...
It's just an extreme end of sex. Like death metal, it's a lot of fun, but I don't listen to it all the time.
>>1362765
>If you aren't some shade of nihilist, you don't understand jack-shit about philosophy or reality, and you're just building sand castles under water.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_wjRUpci7M
>>1362765
Calm down, buddy. I make my living as an illustrator, but I never regretted one second of my philosophical training.
Nihilism poses an interesting cultural and metaphysical problem, but in the end we all have to live in this world and make sense of it. Having a decent analytical apparatus at your disposal helps. Good philosophy is not pretentious, but serves to clarify the stuff in like we might otherwise miss or get tangled in. It has its place.
I might be submissive, but that doesn't mean I'm a pushover.
And christ, keep those pics coming.
>>1362782
>hurrdurrlookamameme
Nihilism, essentially, means that the universe has no directing force aside from the laws of nature. That ethics, morals, purpose, meaning are all constructs of psyche and reach no further than the psyche.
And that is objective fact.
The way your brain uses that is subject to you.
How you get into BDSM without understanding that fucking floors me.
Oh, and fuck Nietzsche.
>>1362847
At the rist of derailing the thread, you might wanna take another look at Nietzsche. Nihilism is a profound cultural problem, but as soon as you start talking about the meaninglessness of existence as an objective fact, you fall into the same trap as everybody else does: you start framing the world. Objectivity itself is a metaphysical construct, subject to the same criticisms as any other form of sense-making.
But hey, realising it is a first step.
>>1362840
Nah, you're talking about wisdom. Wisdom helps us live better. Philosophy tries to find explanations for humanity and the universe beyond objective facts. It's like psychology with all of the science stripped out and replaced with subjectivity and ignorance.
So it's really just religion in a dress.
>>1362854
Practical reason, sure. But common sense-thinking doesn't always do the trick. And science, properly speaking, has no business going from is to ought. Interpretation is a philosophical endeavour, however you wanna twist and turn it. Which isn't to say there isn't any bad philosophy around. It gets a bad rap, but I've had the pleasure of studying and discussing with many people who have their head on straight and feet firmply planted on the ground.
In the end it all comes down to doing justice to the things in life we experience end up valueing. Such as power dynamics in sex.
>>1362849
Words aren't discrete boxes; they're webs of thoughts. Crude mirrors of our brains, which are webs of neurons.
Objectivity is a direction, it points towards facts about reality outside of our psyche.
Subjectivity is a direction, it points towards facts about reality within our psyche.
Once you start defining objectivity as subjectivity, you risk making the words useless.
Tangentially, your definition of Nihilism and my own are substantially different. Yours is loaded with cultural baggage, the popularly understood meaning of the word; mine is stripped of everything but the stark essence of the word.
That existence is meaningless, and that meaning itself does not exist outside the psyche.
This does not mean that meaning doesn't exist. We ARE psyches, so meaning is profoundly important to us, and that is all that matters.
To quote Pratchett (RIP in Peace),
"TAKE THE UNIVERSE AND GRIND IT DOWN TO THE FINEST POWDER AND SIEVE IT THROUGH THE FINEST SIEVE AND THEN SHOW ME ONE ATOM OF JUSTICE, ONE MOLECULE OF MERCY. AND YET—Death waved a hand. AND YET YOU ACT AS IF THERE IS SOME IDEAL ORDER IN THE WORLD, AS IF THERE IS SOME...SOME RIGHTNESS IN THE UNIVERSE BY WHICH IT MAY BE JUDGED."
https://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/583655-hogfather
Best book.
Both ways of defining the word have their uses.
>>1362860
“The philosopher Didactylos has summed up an alternative hypothesis as "Things just happen. What the hell".”
/thread
>>1362860
>Tangentially, your definition of Nihilism and my own are substantially different. Yours is loaded with cultural baggage, the popularly understood meaning of the word; mine is stripped of everything but the stark essence of the word.
It's cute that you assume my ignorance on the matter and cultural baggage, while you rely on words like essence and psyches. Nevertheless, I don't think our positions are all that different. Meaning is constructed, but therefore not less important.
Objectivity and subjectivity are rather problematic in this instance in that they assume a clear distinction between the psyche and reality in the first place (and also the acknowledgement of the two as seperate entities). We are always interpreting the world in a meaningful sense, and the world itself is always formed by the meaning we have already imposed on it. Words can clarify as well as confuse, but the scientist is as much caught in the web of constructed meaning as everybody else is.
So how about that master-slave dialectic, eh?
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>>1362877
Well done, you tried.
>>1362868
>>1362849
>Nihilism is a profound cultural problem
I'm not saying that you're ignorant of your own definition of the word, but that our meanings of the word are different.
Mine is sterile of judgement, and yours is not.
I also believe that you are interpreting the words "essence" and "psyche" differently I am.
I'm not sure what your definitions are; I'm using them in the most sterile way I can.
I'm approaching this like I would a science, as sterile and impersonal as I can.
>>1362868
The psyche, our selves, is meaningfully different, to us, from reality outside of itself.
Objectivity and Subjectivity are arrows pointing away from and into the psyche.
This house-nigga here needs a quality cage.
This plastic shit is ruining it.
Something metal. Or at least silicone.
Or both. Metal on silicone. Silicone on metal.
That's got possibilities.
nf
>>1362946
Holy shit I said sterile a lot.
Sterilization and chastity.
Gee, Fraud, I wonder if that's just a cigar.
Any bigger guys here who like to bottom for smaller guys? I'm fairly small(5'11) total top, and I just met a bigger guy(taller/chubby) who is a total bottom.
Is that so uncommon? How do I completely and utterly dominate a guy who's bigger than me?
>>1363026
Please seek therapy for your attention-whoring.
----->/soc/
>>1363036
Uh yeah, seconding this.
>>1353586
Anyone knows source to this?
Damn that dom is hot, at least his name would help
>>1363036
No.
I'm bored so you're just going to have to sit there and take it all, you dirty whore.
Be thankful I'm not in the mood for storytime.
>>1363005
Everyone's the same height when they're on their back. Or knees. Or upside down with a ball gag and vibrator in their ass.
I wouldn't say it's super uncommon. The height thing can make a fun contrast, can work it into roleplay if that's your thing, but domination is all about attitude, not how big you are.
Though 5'11 is definitely not 'fairly small'.
>>1357631
Yo I didn't even read what you wrote I just think I'm in love with the boy in that pic.
>>1363026
>trying this hard
>>1363293
Typical sub
Depends who im fucking. one freind has me by the leash and he tears my ass up. slaps me and digs in deep and makes sure to wiggle it in and pounce it but damn his boy is great. I love waking up to the feeling of his chest/skin and the moment i press my cock on his thigh i wanna bust. This other freind is really gay so i call the shots. he so cute too, mexican/asian so his skine tone is awesome. a week ago, we were rolling on my bad and decided to tie him up and really force the anal. I was on adderal so i ended up forcing it in for 3 fucking hours before i let go in his asshole and my hair stood up as I wrenched back and he let out relief. Finally i jerked his nice cock and felt the jizz as his cock pulsed. He rolls over and says that was rough for the time i said stop and you kept fucking going. He gets up but I stop him and grab his arm and sling him on the bed and grab his body. I position myself with my cock pressed between his butt cheeks. He starts squirming so I get a belt and tie him to bed post snd slap the shit out of him. I begin licking his cock and he sqirms in good feeling as he likes to bust quick. I lick his skin and begin rubbing anything I can. I roll him over and fuck his ass one last time and this time I have it here he sits and I bounce on the bed so his asshole gets the cock vigororusly//. He goes holy shit stop fuck dude oh gaahhh thats dude and I do this shit for 45 mins before busting on his ass. I lay next to him as he tries to act mad but I know he will wont my body soon. I wait till he wakes me up the usual way as he rubs my cock while he lays on my body.
>sex
>butt
>>1363421
>Pills here!
Not that I'm complaining.
>>1349827
I want a man to fuck my booty like he won a prize. I want him to fuck and use my hole like im fulfilling everything he needs. I bend over, lay down, whatever he wants and he just engorges himself on sexual ecstasy. Every sexual desire he has I want to fulfill, I want to make him feel like a king and in that moment I am the perfect, flexible subject of the dicketh
>>1363449
As a bottom i feel powerful when i make a man feel good sexually and powerful as a top. Its a balance of him making me feel like I have the power to make him feel amazing and vice versa. ying and yang and all that shit
>>1349827
Because I'm dominate in everything else in my life. I always have extreme control.
Sometimes, I want to lose that control. So that's what being a sub does for me.
tfw i own his ass
>>1349914
Why do you capitalize every time you write man. This isn't the 80s and this isn't one of your darknet fag erotica boards, old fag
>>1365234
old fag spotted
>>1365226
moar
>>1354464
you worded it so perfectly
>>1355369
that is part of it though
>>1355369
>Bondage, Discipline, Domination, Submission, Sadism, Masochism.
>no judgement or disrespect guys!
Really, man. Do you wanna fuck in a safe space, to?
I bet you like the fuzzy handcuffs because they don't hurt.
>>1349827
I just wanna get thrown around by a guy slightly larger than me and treated basically like a girl. No clue why. Grew up normal, had an exceptional childhood in fact, no overbearing mother, etc.
>tfw straight, masculine friend pushes you around jokingly and you're like mmm pls :/
>tfw submissive top
>tfw every bottom you've been with expects and demands you take the reigns
>tfw never had a truly satisfying sexual experience except once or twice because of this
>tfw all you want in life is to serve an aggressive bottom and be made into their living dildo
>tfw this will probably never happen
>>1368181
>submissive top
what you are looking for is a power bottom.
you sound inexperienced.
you should probably try being a bottom first so you know what it feels like and then you will know how to be a proper top.
traditionally the top is dominant and the bottom is submissive. it is like saying you want the woman to open doors for the man and pay for dinner. it will take a special woman to understand and be willing to do that. likewise, it will take a special bottom to be willing to take charge since you aren't willing or able. is he supposed to order you around? "get over here and stick your dick in me!" the whole thing just sounds strange to me, but i guess it is possible.
if you are just a dildo then why wouldn't a guy just use a dildo? you need to bring something to the table besides your dick.
>>1368184
I know how sex works, anon. I know what power bottoms are, as well. I'm sorry you seem to think that dominance=penetration but it doesn't. Dominance and submission are mindsets, and certainly the physicality anon explained is not as prevalent but it's not as rare or outlandish as your post implies, either.
>>1368188
if you know everything then why are you complaining on 4chan about not getting laid?
you must not be doing something right.
my advice was that people who have bottomed make better tops.
you can choose to ignore it or learn from it.
no need to be so defensive.
>>1349827
I gotta thank one guy for becoming a sub; i got hornet with 17, met with 2-3 boys around my age, didn't enjoy it that much. Few days after my last date i got a message fom that guy, at first i was not really interested, because he was 37, but i looked at his pics and instantly had a crush. He was fucking ripped, a bit hairy but really handsome. Afer some chatting he invited me over to stay for the weekend. I had a few drinks with him and watched a movie when he just grabbed me and started kissing me. I got hard instantly and didn't resist a second. He made me strip completely naked and told me to kneel before him and suck his cock. I did what he said , and he whipped out the hottest cock i ve ever seen, about 7" long and thick as fuck. I immediatly started sucking his cock and balls, enjoying the feeling of his hard warm dick filling my mouth, tasting the precum, him breathing heavy an soon he started talking dirty, calling me a cockhungry little slut and his bitch. Somehow this turned me on even more. He then threw me on his bed, rimming and fingering my ass until i was moaning and told me that i as his litte slut would have to call him daddy, slolwly stretching me with his fingers. He said that he'd make me his little girl, but i would have to beg him to fuck my pussy, i did so, and when i felt his cock gliding in, filling out my hole i moaned in ecstasy, pressing myself against him as his strokes got faster, only stopping to change positions or having me lick off his cock until i was screaming like a bitch, giving me the only anal orgasm i ever had, jizzing all over myself, saying that he wont stop until he is finished. I coulnt even think clearly from the waves of euphoria running through my body, as he said that i was now his girl and deserved a gift from daddy to show that my pussy was his property, pressing his cock into me as deep as he could and pumping his hot sticky semen in my ass.
Since that moment i love getting dominated by older guys
>>1349827
For me personally the idea of giving sexual control over your body to someone else is hot
I don't totally understand why I like it so much, but I think it has something to do with my natural instinct to please people.
I ain't complaining though
>>1349827
Femfag here who loves to submit. I'll do my best to explain why. It should be assumed I'm talking in the context of a relationship.
In terms of psychology, being able to relinquish all power and to give myself fully to someone makes for the most liberating feeling I can possibly experience. Like I actually get all tingly and giddy about it. It allows me to vanquish all the anxieties that come with trying to control and master things in my life.
I have a bit of a peter pan complex, so it kind of goes with the combination of feeling protected, subordinate, smaller, and weaker than someone. I'm 5'7", so being held and cared for by someone taller than me whom I can call Daddy gives me so much psychological comfort. I'm not talking about age-play or anything, but in my mind I can see myself as his little boy (not son) whom he can take care of and who in return will take care of his needs.
I'm generally a really invested person when I love someone so part of my submissiveness has a lot to do with devoting myself fully to someone's pleasure. If I'm infatuated with you, I literally will live to please you, serve you, and do everything in my power to make you writhe in ecstasy. I don't care about making myself cum, it's all about you. So I will put myself in your hands and let you use me and hold me and take control of me in whatever way you need and want to. There is nothing I want more in this life than to have Daddy to fuck me, breed me, hold me as tightly as possible, have his warm cum oozing out of my butt as I press it back into his crotch; and fall asleep with me curled up in his arms.
>>1369629
Also, I have a pretty big oral fixation (cf. Freud), so sucking dick is possibly my favourite thing to do; that and deep kissing. I've never gotten over that inherent need to suck.
I don't know why but I've never gotten over the sensation of having things in my mouth. I always have gum, or mints or something in my mouth, or a pen, glasses or whatever. I just absentmindedly will put stuff in my mouth sometimes, and I don't really know why, other than the fact that maybe my lips and tongue are really sensitive and therefore respond more intensely to stimuli.
So part of me being submissive has to do with this fact in that I always want to suck my partner's dick. I love how warm and hard (yet soft) it is and how it tastes on my tongue. It just makes me feel so full and satisfied.
>>1369634
Haha sounds like you almost cum from sucking dicks
Arousing and insightful, I like this thread. Well, here's my sexual psychology:
>be closeted, have suppressed desires
>envy the megafags who advertise their sexuality
>develop a fantasy of someone turning me into a megafag, or becoming a megafag myself
>comes w/ submissive tendencies
Submissive bottom here. It ain't complicated for me; I've got massive daddy issues. My bio dad has never been in my life. My step dad started grooming me into becoming his personal cumdump at 13. My best friend's dad let me get into his pants when I was 16. My uncle was the only healthy male authority/mentor figure I had in my life up until I was 18... at which point he finally gave in to the repeated attempts I'd made to "seduce" him and just became another part of my fucked-up sex life. And then I went on to spend two years as a live-in boytoy for a rich businessman who liked having me wear his son's old clothes and call him "daddy".
So yeah, I'm very comfortable with using and being used by masculine, dominant older men. I won't pretend it's healthy, but I don't think it's the worst thing in the world.
>>1371572
you must be smokin' hot
I like to be submissive because it just feels right to be dominated by an alpha-male. The more aggressive he is the more I like it. I like to be slapped around a little (not too much) and put in my place. I like to be called faggot and cocksucker and used as a cumdump.
Don't ask me why. My childhood was normal and I had good (non-abusive) parents and male role-models. I just like tough men to push me around and use me for their selfish sexual needs. I don't even need to come, as long as they do.
>>1375536
Does anyone remember that website where dom's and subs would be paired up and the dom would demand a picture of the sub doing whatever the dom wanted? It was sort of anonymous (throw away aliases) and it had a section for straight people as well as gay people. There were a bunch of threads about it several months back but I don't remember what is was called.
>>1376360
onesubmissiveact
>>1376367
I love you so much
>>1349827
Wow. How did I miss this thread for so long.
Hi OP. Its a complex answer. Bear with me.
Our sexuality is an extension of our pre-sexual psyche, an offshoot.
Males like me take cues from our social environment on how to best interact with others depending on social strata. So for me, being smaller, it was more natural to submit socially to bigger males and gain access that way than to futilely challenge them.
So as I developed, this also began to manifest in my thinking sexually. I knew that no matter how much people blabbed about homosex in public being this or that, in person, males like very human things. They like respect, attention, nurturing, kindness etc. They enjoy it enough to become protective of people who submit to them, they become naturally a bit territorial and want to keep their underlings to accommodate them and build their sense of becoming a leader of their own herd as a fallback if they dont make it to the top of their external pack.
This doesn't exactly translate sexually. A male may get enough coherent signals from a submissive to want to sexually dominate them as physical expression without actually being attracted to them physically. Males get non-sexual crushes on each other often, a deep sense of intimacy. This is primarily a youth behavior.
From a submissives point of view, it's about finding worth in a social order. If one knows they cannot compete to have access to the natural social order through the normal male channels, they then adapt to submissive behavior. It isn't necessarily sexual, and most often isn't.
That can change with fluid opportunities for intimacy, which is often episodic.
For those of us who embrace it and incorporate into our sexuality, it becomes much more personal. The same social formulas that give us a role socially become extremely heightened in interpersonal interactions with perceived dominate males
>>1376379
A submissive knows that the more they allow a male to dominate them, the more valuable they become to that man, and can expect to be able to better influence behavior in the other male beneficial to the submissive.
So if I sexually submit to another male, I know that, if only for that encounter, I am temporarily completely protected from all other threats. If I make it enjoyable enough, I may get rewarded later also. It also means I may either have to compete with other submissives or wait for the dominate male to signal to me where I stand in his herd among others. If he has a concubine as such, I may have to settle for being part of a team, which is more likely for a dominate male than being anything exclusive.
Submission also works socially to legitimize authority and bring peace within a herd, or group. It ends challenges inside the group so that the order is established and the group can work as a team on shared objectives that require the loyalty of the members of the group to a common identity and goal to benefit each member participating. It also consolidates power as well as legitimizing it, and submissives will seek to be close to power to serve it for its rewards and esteem in the pack, while challengers will try to ascend to get closer to the leader in order to eventually replace him.
That is the 'why' socially. Form follows function, in this case function follows form. Even if a male is large, if he is conditioned socially to be deferential, he can still develop to be submissive, and such creatures have value also. In male and social hierarchies, there is always some degree of submission. But I think what you are refering to is the more personal intimate submission of passive homosexuals. The previous is just some framework.
This can also be applied to females, however one must note that these realities run counter to modern narratives about the artificial notion that law and decree can create 'equality' to sustain the ego of the self.
>>1376381
That's fine, but it is a social experiment that, if history is any indication, will fail miserably. Its not that human societies cant work against the natural laws of size and ability, its just that such a direction can only correct if it eventually stops or the society becomes extinct as an order.
You simply cannot have all chiefs and no indians. If you cede leadership to a class that have been selectively bred to be irrational so that they can perpetuate pro-social virtues that require irrationality, you will have an irrational leadership. If you temper the male qualities with meekness and humility before weaker people, you will eventually lose the core of your defense and labor to impotence. You end up with leadership that is kind to external threats and males too enfeebled to stop them.
For the submissive homosexually enabled male, the personal act of sexual submission provides a mental euphoria that occurs in humans intellectually when two or more humans are totally in sync mentally and recognize roles. This is like the euphoria you see among team members in a sport winning. There is no practical reason for them to be so elated about knocking a ball around, but inside, their are completely socially validated for their shared success in working together, even in something as small but very measurable about success in knocking a ball about.
Good sex is when humans are totally in sync, when each completely understands their role towards someone else. It can begin even before there is any sex. When two people synchronize completely and tacitly, there is a euphoria. When that synchronicity precedes or develops in the very primal physical act of sex, where one penetrates the other, it is the height of that euphoria.
By being completely submissive to the male, willing to give up all social graces to submit and be used as an object by another male, it is the complete release of all other factors besides the wishes of the dominate male.
>>1376387
The submissive knows they can create a euphoria in the other male by doing absolutely anything he wants. They become a drug-like force in the motivations of the dominate male, who can then proceed without any hindrance towards using the submissive in any way he chooses, now able to overpower, use, degrade and humble the submissive without any fear of a challenge or consequences. It allows the dominate male to feel limitless power in using a human as a toy, as property. The thrill and rush a dominate male gets by dehumanizing another human in sex has no other equal except perhaps in unchecked violence towards enemies. It allows him to briefly take the form of a god towards another person, to create wrath and reward at a whim.
The submissive knows all that and that they can create that for the dominate male. By forfeiting all social dignities and and subjecting themselves to being available for complete human degradation and humiliation, by offering their very bodily vessel to be used as a plaything and helpless receptacle for a mans cock, they employ their empathy to feel the other half of the high felt by the dominant male. It becomes vicarious enjoyment of the role they do not have.
Being penetrated is physically humbling. It means allowing someone else inside your body. It is a physical invasion that is the result of one of two things: acceptance of physical domination or helpless conquest. But among a pair of humans, there is no mistaking that one is in control of the other. That concession to being penetrated reflects the strength of one and the conquest of the other. Its from that that the power roles both manifest and are reflected. It is a very primal thing that is physical, and expresses itself in sex or violence.
For the submissive, it is infantilizing. The submissive exchanges control of ones self in exchange for being temporarily owned by another.
>>1376393
While part of the euphoria is that tacit mutual clarity in roles that link two minds to the exact same plan in perfect harmony by removing all resistance of one person to the other's will, (essentially giving one mind two bodies to operate and allowing total polarity to govern the interaction rather than words or plans instead of physical action/reaction), another part of the high is that submission to being totally helpless, that trust that the one you have submitted to wont allow external harm to come to you. No matter how abused you may get, you only have one source to be concerned with in that moment. You are protected from all other forces, effortlessly.
That dominate male then decides what level of fealty he demands and measures it by the constant increasing submission no matter how wrathful he may choose to become. This becomes part of the 'god' role, to be worshiped despite wrath, to be idolized with the use of his lowest bodily member, to use force and the helplessness of the other to become adored with no consequences for his wrath but the assured reward of more adoration, even to the lowest of his parts of his body. The same organ he uses to excrete urine is still the object of worship by the male who has completely forfeited all male dignity and has allowed the same orifice he uses to protest and demand respect to be stuffed with cock and cum no different than the orifice he uses to excrete feces. They become equally degraded as nothing more than holes a dominate male used to stuff his cock in and flood with cum.
I know this was tl;dr but I hope it helped clear up the confusion over this. I know it confuses normal males a lot, and I like to think that somewhere, someone understands what drives sexually submissive behavior in males, and to a large extent, females. "Why would someone take cock" is an enigma to males, and I hope I was complete enough to offer some enlightenment, even if it was at great length.
>>1369626
> something to do with my natural instinct to please people.
Honestly I feel the same, in fact the first time I've had sex I did it because I wanted to make the hot guy who was nice to me feel good.
Also, personally, while I'm not at all into the whole sissy/trap thing (in fact I'm pretty tall and hairy and have no desire to change that) I kinda like taking the patriarchal role of a woman in bed. I love it when guys make me feel protected or some shit, when they make me feel vulnerable. I always thought I'd fit in that role much better in life, as a kid I wanted to be a girl and only ever had female friends and it's nice when a guy makes me feel like a less of a man, it's like exploring my feminine side and after an all day of trying to fit in the expectations of what a man should act like I can feel accepted as something quite the opposite.
Now, all of this sounds pretty horrible from a feminist point of view, so I'd like to emphasise that I don't support people being forced into their traditional gender roles, I am aware that the image of a woman I've created in the previous paragraph is very wrong and patriarchal these days but personally this is how I see myself, this is what I'd be like if I were the opposite gender.
i will worship this guy and do anything he ask
this was the best thread on /hm/...where did all the sissy weaklings go?
>>1380807
Im still here, waiting for daddy to let me cum
>>1375536
me too! same thing!
>>1375536
>>1382018
Same here. It seems so much more natural and uncomplicated to me. I cannot see how anyone can feel the passion we get by setting limits, making exchanges, mutual equality and all that.
Men want to fuck like beasts, and thats what I want. Raw primal interaction.
I wonder we why seem like a minority and how we developed in spite of all the messages telling us to approach men as equals. Everything else seems so boring, timid and neurotic. The more space you give a man to flourish, the more he's able to reward you with primal masculinity. Just get out of his way and let him bring the beast out.
I saw a thread here earlier called 'bottoms in pain'. All it looked like was normal sex, but they were making a fetish out of it as if having any passionate expression was itself some sort of kink. The "pain" was entirely imaginary. They were inferring it simply because the bottoms had emotional expressions.
>>1382181
Sauce?????
>>1349827
I used to like to dominate white men because it seems ''they are the boss''. Now I just like to dominated men, and especially white men in general.
>>1350531
Same here.
I believe it's totally daddy issues. Kinda sublimation of a maddening desire to please your estranged father and to get his acceptance.
Are you attracted to guys older or manlier than you?
>>1350714
Is it wargames?
>>1362263
You gotta be fucking kidding me.
Prison shower (Rafael Alencar, Johnny Rapid)
>>1357631
I find it quite interesting that this acknowledgement of one's inferiority is also an attempt to increase one's self-esteem.
When we are saying "show me my place" we actually mean "tell us that YOU, a superior one, find us suitable to be possessed by you".
Basically, it's a prayer.
Since we are living in an atheistic society (fuck off, mainstream American christians, you are a fucking joke) - which is a good thing, don't get me wrong - we don't have this transcendent father figure God is for believers.
Simply put, we have neither fathers nor Gods.
>>1382288
Totally not the case for me. No daddy issues here, and I'm not really attracted to older guys much.
In my case, it's younger guys I want to submit to. I've always been a pretty small guy, and I get off on the idea of a younger, stronger, bigger guy being able to do whatever he wants to with me.
>>1357631
>>1382342
>Basically, it's a prayer.
Bingo. I was just explaining this to someone else today irl.
In the space between two males, there is tacit and implicit interaction. Gender role is itself synchronizing power and if both know they have male expectations of gender role, then there can be no denying that submission is social humility. Power is established, now you have the high of two humans working in primal synchronicity, very much like the intimacy of sharing victory with a sports team. Sex and violence are the most primal socially powerful forces in bonding humans.
When you decide you submit, you're opening the window for the other man to shape and use a man however he wishes. That is the same power as violent domination. You now can see a person unleash their male beast and come as close to a god as is possible.
Its the opposite of how humans 'make contact' with animals and see them as a personality. In reverse, you are seeing a human become a full animal and the connection is powerful. In becoming submissive in the most extreme socially dismissive way, you get to see a god form, a man with limitless power to shape a male.
Submission, then, is the visceral desire to celebrate ones own species, literally a worship and devotion to man. The need to witness the connection is greater than the desire to hold the social gender role. For the dominant man, he gets to become that god for a while. For him, it is incarnation, not witnessing. But it takes the other to make it possible.
>>1382480
Same here. I respect masculinity in older men, but my passion is celebrating young men. Thats where the passion of society dwells itself.
They are already at the height of the male human experience, submitting to them just pushes them further over the top. That moment of ecstasy is something to celebrate, if only vicariously.
>>1349827
just wanted to share my opinion, but I believe that dominance and submission are purely related to gender roles. As a society, we value females and receptive partners when they are pure. The doms(tops/males) want to do the ones that make the subs (bottoms/females) sexual. This is why women who are overtly sexually are defined as whores and slut and the only value they have is sex. That's why women are so concerned with virginity, being pure and being hard to get. Society even tell women that the vagina is their power. "Don't expect him to buy the cow when you give him the milk for free." (I'm not a cow and i'm not giving out milk.) Keeping sex from a guy is a way to have power over him. Playing hard to get, teasing, leading a guy on are all ways that women do this.
While it may be 'fun' or w.e for females to fuck with guys in this way, keeping the ideal that a woman's power comes from her vagina is also demeaning her.
What does this have to do with gays? Everything.
We learn from straight society because we live in one. bottoms learn for the closest thing to them as receptive partners, women, how to behave sexually. So we adopt this idea of purity and being hard to get. And it doesn't always stop there. A lot of time it boils down to just being something "to get". A dom is supposed to have you. You are meant to be his prize.
All this leads to DOM and sub relations. Men are the ones that engage sex, they are the ones that make things sexual. There job is to catch you. They decide when and how to have sex. This is a very Dominant role. the receptive partner is then waiting openly, for a guy to decide how and when they want to have sex with them.
The fetish grows from there; it because about a guy being forceful, a guy demanding sex. and woman accepting or not. who cares. the man is dominant, it's up to him.
>>1382554
Cont.
Of course not everyone is like this. Not everyone is expecting a guy to dominate them and tell then when and where. I am a huge bottom slut. If i want to get laid, I make it happen. I am also all about Dom/sub play. I find it very hot. The part that annoys me is when guys think that because I'm 'easy' i'm disposable. I challenge the idea that being sexually free and having sex when I want makes me 'easy or needy, or a bitchy or whatever.
Also, I don't want to have to always do it your way. I'm not trying to be a slave. I just like hot, rough passionate sex.
You can very well look at all of this from and more biological view, where on the dominant males get breeding rights. this is also very true, but translates to gender roles and dom/sub play when looking at it from a human/conscious being level. The strong dominant male decides when to breed, because his the strongest so no one can oppose him, not the other beta males, or the females. They all have to listen to Caesar.
>>1349827
>>1382555
Kinda lost me a little when you said you resent being seen as disposable or being seen as easy. I think those are things that fags should revel in, just as much as I think it only natural for it to also be contempted. But at least that way there is no bs being tossed around.
As for the rest, I think you gave some very good points, especially with the premise that we learn from straights, which lays it out really well.
>>1382577
Why do you think we should revel in being disposable? And what do you think of being disposable? Like what does it mean to you.
>>1382635
Well, I mean that as submissive non breeding males, that is how we are used by society, men in particular. They are not always kind, no, but they seem to like us a lot more (much as they prefer their females) when we are in sync about what our place is, our role, value and purpose, even if they hold the weakness in contempt as it is natural for the strong to do.
I dont mean to be blunt, but men are nicer to fun girls and tend to loath 'bitches'.
I know they can be cruel at times, but generally, we seem to get along better when we dont waiver in submission and follow their lead as to what our standing is.
I take the view that an inferior role does not make me an inferior person. I have self worth rather it is always appreciated or not.
Again, I know men can be cruel when the less noble ones need someone to degrade. But thats not most and not always. Most times, most men appreciate those who appreciate them. I would never challenge or scold the many over how the few may treat us
>>1382635
As to disposable, I just mean that men don't like commitment, and I wouldn't demand it of them, nor expect it.
We are all disposable. Its just a matter of to whom and why.
>>1382648
I see what you're saying, but I cant agree with being treated as disposable. We are only disposable to those who don't value us. Also there is much more you can do for society or a man other than taking dick.
Personally, a guy can dick me down all day, but I want a guy who values me and treats me like an equal.
>>1349914
Sounds hot, would make great fap story fuel and it's not too extreme to sound like something i'd never want.
Protip: Don't make the assumption that just because I'm a bottom who likes kinky domination (topping doesn't really interest me), I'm submissive. If you forcibly bound, gag, manhandle or etc then you best better be ready to thrown down my friend. I don't play around like that cause I'm no ones bitch. Respect is two way street.
Those who only want me as their future flesh sex doll don't ever get past being free meal tickets for me tbqh. I'll lead you fuck on and hard senpai.
>>1382695
Well, today, in an egalitarian if misguided society, fags dont have an actual 'slave' class to sink into, so a lot take their keen appreciation of social hierarchies and no-nonsense skills for pleasing others into service industries and excel in them. The old social pipelines for homosexual subservience simply arent there and people gotta eat.
I guess we differ in how we look at 'valued'. I am long past hoping some special person will 'value; me as a special unique person for any longer than it takes any guy to get bored. I look at value as the actual service I can provide, as well as how well I make the experience as a whole, including knowing when to fuck off so I dont screw up a call-back. I take my faggotry in a very serious, primal old-school way, and men seem to appreciate it and value that, not whatever intellectual prattle I offer (such as here).
As for equality, with no disrespect to your views, I outgrew that artificial trope in human interaction a long time ago. I am not equal, and thats just fine. I am okay too.
>>1382707
To add, some you of anons got some serious ass self-esteem and pride issues. My father was away for almost 10 years and our relationship is akin to two mutual acquaintances but I'm not broken like a 16 year old girl. Not to mention my boyfriend is my dad's age and I turned out okay.
Lol y'all pathetic senpai.
>>1382714
Well all I can do is hope the best for you. I really do.
>>1382730
Thank you, and you too. I think we will both do great.
>>1382714
>fags dont have an actual 'slave' class to sink into
Kek. There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. There are plenty of houseboys out there earning their living byacting as live-in fucktoys for rich older men. To say nothing of the numerous darker and less consensual varieties of sex worker arrangements outside the first world--there are more male sex slaves today than there have been at any point in human history. Something tells me a lot of the folks in this thread romanticizing their "place" below other males would not enjoy being stuck in such situations.
>>1382777
>there are more male sex slaves today than there have been at any point in human history
it is pretty obvious that you just made this up
>>1382777
Well thats true too. But there are a lot more fags than there are places for them in a traditional arrangement, is all I meant. Common men cant have a lot of servants, and its much harder to start a house in the historical sense than it once was.
Youre very right about the ones that are going by another name, as it were.
I do feel that pushing human trafficking into the shadow of crime is sad though, and feel bad for people, male or female, stuck in these cluster fucks. All they want is a life, ultimately, and its hard to let go of what little you have when youve been in so long you dont have the skills to reach for something else. Thats what happens when this arrangements go to shit or are run by people with no obligation to the social impact of not transitioning people out of the pipeline. They end up being social problems for the host community, and the lives of the people are just as dim as when they were owned. How the hell is someone who's been used to everything being managed for them for the first ten years of adulthood expected to assimilate with a future the community will welcome? Its not terribly different than all the inmates who get kicked into the street with no support or patience from society.
Its hard for me to grasp though, because another human trafficking/slavery report just came out, and these goddam sjw keep wanting to change the definition, so you dont know who is actually being sold without regulation and who is just a pissed off labor class that became some liberals pet cause. Theres a difference between someone who is actually bound by a badly written contract and just some laborers pissed because they work for assholes in huge globalist conglomerates. Even Rome had better slave law than this. At least in Rome, the poor sonsofbitches had an actual chance at working their way up the ladder and leading normal lives, if not for them, then their children.
>>1382780
i remember reading somewhere that there are more slaves now today than ever before in our history. heres a perspective to see just how many ppl r enslaved.. maybe not sex slaves but im sure that goes up as well, the number doesnt go down: http://www.globalslaveryindex.org/findings/
>>1382782
Here in the US, you mention anything but the most reactionary view about slavery and because of the race history, everyone thinks you are talking about bringing back the goddam KKK. We have this egalitarian crap baked so goddam deep into our history you cant even address the issue of people as resource for the good of everyone. Then you got the greedy globalists, and the whole time the poor average man is working a third of his year just for the government so they can ship more free bombs to whack jobs.
And we call this freedom. Now Im good and mad.
>>1382780
Slaves (sexual and otherwise) make up a much smaller percentage of the population than they did in pre-industrial eras... but there are a helluva lot more humans around now than there used to be, so in terms of sheer numbers, the raw number of slaves is at an all-time high right now.
>>1382785
I think maybe our homosex and sexual lens on this may be distorting our interpretation, especially since we also have a fetish population.
Both males and females do get bought and sold as sex slaves true, But I think the much greater majority among males are just slaves as bound contract laborers who may also serve for sex in some prostitutional sense. Its not the primary purpose for being kept, but if theres extra money to be made, people will use that angle too.
So, not so much male sex slaves as rather male slaves who situationally are also used or rented for sex.
>>1350512
I was on board until the feminization. Sexually i dislike just about everything feminine, can never get me off. Even when on the submissive side and being fucked and dominated by alpha tops it still has to be distinctly male on both sides.
>used to consider myself a "mostly straight" bifag
>only men I ever slept with were smaller and much more effeminate than me
>didn't understand how/why any of them could enjoy sexually submitting to another man
>bottoming seemed like it was uncomfortable and humiliating (to be fair it probably didn't help that I was a selfish top) and I certainly never intended to try it
>then one night, due to a combination of booze, drugs, and quite a lot of reckless spontaneous decisions, I found myself hooking up with a guy who was much larger and more masculine than me
>I started off trying to take the lead and dominate him, as I was used to
>but he brushed my behavior aside like I was just being cute, and just sorta... effortlessly took charge
>it was intimidating as fuck, kinda scary even
>but it was also a huge turn on, and he was so naturally dominant that I felt like I couldn't even say no
>so next thing I know I find myself sucking him off like I was fucking starving for cock
>or trying to... I'd only given head once before and his was way too big for me to manage
>and I'm actually feeling bad for not doing a good job, like wtf is going on
>then he flips me over and starts lubing my ass up... I finally start putting up some token protest once he starts putting his dick into me, but I don't actually try to stop him
>physically, it hurts like hell
>but psychologically, I dunno, it's really fucking hot somehow
>like I thought bottoming would feel "humiliating", and I guess I did sorta feel that way
>but at the same time just giving in and letting another dude "conquer" me like that was an insane turn on
>then he shifts angle and starts pounding my prostate
>even though my ass still hurts, next thing I know I'm having the biggest fucking orgasm of my life
>feel really fucking weird and guilty about all this the next day
>can't stop going back to him, though
>haven't been in the mood to top another guy since, and even topping girls seems to have lost some of its appeal
>>1382814
>submissive side and being fucked and dominated by alpha tops it still has to be distinctly male on both sides.
I dont understand how that works. Masculine and submitting?
Do you mean a masculine appearance? Thats the only way I can understand masculine being submissive. Or perhaps dominated, which isn't quite the same thing.
>>1350512
>tfw femmefaggot
>wanting buff macho top to reinforce his confidence by dominating me
>let me be the contrast that makes you feel more powerful, you beautiful sexy beast!
>thank the lord for all butch tops!
>>1382818
<3
>>1382815
im pretty much the opposite of this, I'm not your all day macho guy, my hair is pretty faggy desu and im scrawny and geeky. I've tried bottoming just because I feel like it's a waste not to with my body complexion and height, seriously a guy moderately strong can lift me up like a feather...
yet, bottoming has absolutely nothing for me, it feels very uncomfortable and I don't get that rush of pleasure everyone talks about, if anything I feel like I wanna beat the shit out of the other person for making me go through this pain. Can't say I haven't cum from getting fucked but it's such a detached orgasm that I can't say it feels good, often times I just get angry afterwards, not even guilty or anything.
I decided to stop trying and go back to just being a top, but then... topping bigger guys is seriously awkward and finding guys shorter than me or my same height can be really difficult... oh life.
>>1352391
ayy LMAO
>>1382815
I'm saving this story. I might be the best explanation by action as the example for how male-male interaction can access and adapt a males sense of hierarchical positioning in such a deep and contrasting way by sheer observation and assessment. If neither of you had spoken the same language, it is likely it would've turned out the same way.
Again, in nature and as human social calibration through simple risk-reward assessment, form follows function. Two males, same species, both social sharing closed space intending physical synchronization. The smaller male not only adapts, but gets a euphoria from the tacit synchronization.
I know thats not sexy unless you study this stuff. but for someone who takes a deep interest in male patterns, this is not only erotic, but an extremely well articulated example of how it works. Not just sexually, but in other ways also. There is loads of stuff going on in this example besides sex, and to me, its mezmerizing. Human males having amazing social capacity for quickly establishing useful hierarchies. The seemingly simple effect of submission produces incredibly lucid synchronicity at an emotional non-intellectual level, and the transaction of sex and penetration lights up so many manifold emotional triggers that the bond can now be used socially in highly efficient execution of tandem or group tasks. The submissive doesn't even have to be told what role he plays & can emotionally intuit what the order is and act without the need for inefficient intellectual interpretation, verbal communication. In the most primal applications, these two have established tremendous social leverage in acting as a single unit.
tl;dr- Male hierarchies are a beautiful splendid thing. Nothing distinguishes the social capacity of mankind and the power it yields from group synchronization from other primates quite like human males forming social order & strength through hierarchies forged in every domination/submission interaction.
Beautiful
>>1349827
i bonded with other guys, i couldn't connect with guys properly unless sex. i didn't like getting sucked and i was lousy at sucking, but frot, handjobs and horseplay was so primally satisfying. it got me into a lot of bad situations. i really liked to fuck, but getting fucked didn't feel that good, but i was willing to take dick if that meant i could fuck before or after and i thought it was just that way for all guys.
i lived in a very small circle of guys who traded like this for awhile, but then i started hooking up with guys outside and began to realize that some guys actually liked being on the bottom and even liked rougher or one-sided sex. i was very surprised when i fucked another guy for the first time and he got hard and came.
i noticed that the more i did exclusive topping, the more confident i got and the more dominant i became in my relations with other guys, not necessarily alpha but more assertive about myself and my position. i also put on weight and started getting higher marks. but i also lost a couple friends when i stopped trading, since the bond was broken.
as my role changed, i became a better lover because i started paying attention to how i made the bottom feel and whether or not he got off better, where before it was all about just getting off and ejaculating.
men actually started becoming beautiful to me and i started having actual feelings for one guy in particular.
i tried bdsm after i left the home, but it scared me and all the 'tools' and gags and leather just seemed weird. i didn't want to humiliate anyone, just have sex and guys who have a great need to be humiliated, shat upon or pissed on or whipped or abused aren't really bottoms, it's something different.
the feeling of having my dick buried in another guy and groping his junk while i fuck him is just so amazing, so thank god there are guys who enjoy having another guy on top of them.
but i do miss using vaseline and barebacking. that went out with hiv.
>>1351594
Thank you!
>>1382816
Masculine appearance wise yeah. But even in terms of mannerisms and such it's still possible. You dont got to act or sound like a girl to be submissive
>>1349827
I'm the bottom with men and a top with women. It's weird
>>1362847
Stirner > neetch
>>1382483
Can I have your email? I'd like to talk about this a bit more.
>>1382814
What's his name?
There's only sentence that describes this thread and the people in it..
>Lol y'all pathetic senpai.
No fucking wondering homosexuality was considered a mental disorder.
>>1382950
idk... Im pretty masculine and I still squeak like a teenage girl when Im getting rammed.
Theres a difference between liking masculinity and resenting its absence. If you get to hung up on it, it may be helpful to ask yourself why and be honest. Not liking feminine males is different than being hostile towards their existence, and I think if you had some compassion for them like you would want and came to some peace about it, you wouldn't feel such pronounced aversion to them.
Im not saying you should change what you feel, but rather that you might find it enlightening on why you feel it so its less of an obstacle to appreciating different types of people, at least non sexually.
I just mention it because you seemed to imply a mild perturbation (putting it kindly) towards other normal men (or what people call masculine) who like feminizing males.
From my own view, I dont see how a male can penetrate even the manliest man without also feminizing him at least somewhat.
>>1383185
If I tell him I'm coming over in an hour and I want him on his knees in his backyard with a clean lubed asshole that is where he will be every time. I own his ass.
>>1349850
This explains it all for me too.
>>1382815
Similar experience to this.
Exclusive 'top' for most of my late teens to early twenties until I hooked up with a roommate.
Nearing the end of uni, I met a dude named Jamie. A little older than me, around 6 foot or so, and pretty damn attractive. Blonde, blue eyed, good physique etc. You get the picture. A few months pass by, and a mutual friend mentions that Jamie's roommate had moved out and he was looking for a replacement. Rent was cheaper, apartment was closer to college, and my lease was ending in a month so I took up the offer and contacted him. Ended up moving in within two months.
While I was there, he started coming on to me. It started slowly at first with minor flirting but soon got more intense, to the point where I was in a similar situation to you.
>started to make out
>tried to gently nudge him on the bed in a certain direction so I would be on top
>proceeded to grab my shoulders and twist me sideways so I was directly facing him
>pushed me over quickly so I was now facing in a vertical direction on the bed
>moved his two legs over my chest and pinned down my hands effortlessly
>surprisingly turned on but still a little apprehensive about bottoming
>tried it once before but it was not a pleasant experience
>go with it because i'm horny af
>Jamie grabs a bottle of lube in the cabinet beside his bed
>unbuttons my jeans and slowly begins to lube my ass
>felt a bit unusual at first
>five minutes in and I get this overwhelming sensation followed by one the most intense orgasms I ever had.
>>1383177
I'm not hostile toward them, not sure if i gave off that impression. Like i said when it comes to sex it doesnt do anything for me, it just turns me off right away. Vaginas, breasts, feminine tone and mannerisms, when it comes to what i find sexually appealing its just an instant boner deflater.
As for finding it at least somewhat feminizing i think it's still possible to retain your masculinity during the act. While getting fucked might imply a degree of femininity by itself, it's only the act itself that is, not anything that might accompany it.
