Bitch, please. Only among the sexual sadist coward faggots in gay community. Wish I could erase these scums so people won't look at gay as though we are nothing but pervs and vile creatures.
>>1324490
Nope. It's experiences during the formative years (usually due to abusive or absent 'rents).
>>1324497
I had great parents and a pretty normal and boring childhood. I'm a super sub bottom while my bf is a fairly dominant top. He had a great childhood too. I think it's nothing more than a preference for how you like to 'play.'
>>1324506
Go end your life.
>>1324490
Just an aspect of personality, and personality has both genetic and environmental influences.
>>1324490
this is so hot.
wish a guy would do this to me.
>>1324503
I told myself this too, and then I spoke with a therapist and realized how much abuse, both physical and emotional, that I assumed was "normal." Not saying everyone has this fetish for that reason, just that snapping to "my childhood was good and wholesome" is an obvious coping mechanism for many of us.
>>1325111
Just because you had an abusive childhood and became submissive or whatever does not mean that everyone who had an abusive childhood will be subs or everyone who is submissive sexually had an abusive childhood. I'm bored of people trying to psycho-analyze why we like certain types of porn and sexual roles.
>>1325184
Denial and defensiveness are to be expected. It's hard to accept that our behaviors are profoundly shaped by the way we are treated, from eating habits to hygiene, and even the psychological relief of transforming abuse into eroticism. You don't have to feel bad. You're not "messed up." It just is what it is.
Enjoy your kinks.
>>1325188
Do you realize that supposedly repressed memories are very unreliable?
>>1325193
Who said anything about repressed memories?
>>1325201
It's implied. You used to believe your childhood was great. All I see is you got duped into paying a 100 bucks a week.
>>1325230
Exactly this, specially if the therapist used some pseudo scientific freudian bullcrap.
>>1324490
how would i get a guy to fuck me like this?
what is it called?
if i find a dominant guy on grindr could i ask him to fuck me with his foot on my face or what?
i really want this to happen after seeing these pics.
>>1324490
Either your chems make you a bitch or you are a bottom because you want to balance out your othetwise dominant peronality, like that nigger singer who likes to be fingerfucked by girls.
>>1324503
I second that, I'm a submissive 100% bottom but what do posters mean by 'dominant'? I don't want to be beaten around and treated like a bitch but I'm more than happy to my husbands 'wife' in the relationship.
"Natural slaves are those who understand reason but possess no reason." - Aristotle
>>1324490
source on OP pic?
>>1325379
Me too. To me that just sounds like the best life.
You sick faggots just like to be degraded, so don't act as if it's something "normal". Your type is also the kind who loves drama. Honestly speaking, nothing about "gay" surprises me anymore. I guess I could say I'm luck that I was born with healthy mind and (as arrogant as it might sound) self-respect and moral.
>>1325446
try harder with the bait next time love, okay?
>>1325453
Bitch, if you can't handle the heat then stay away from the fire place. Stop implying someone else's posts are "baits" because they hurt your fucking feeling. Bye, felicia.
>>1324493
>Wish I could erase these scums so people won't look at gay as though we are nothing but pervs and vile creatures.
They will see us like that regardless of our actions.
Even if we were to cure cancer we'd still be second rate citizens.
>>1325230
No, this conversation wasn't about repressed memories, but about how normalized abusive behaviors are and how easy it is to overlook the effects of our behavior.
Your dim view of psychology undoubtedly stems from some uncomfortable truths that have been posed to you before. Hypno-therapy and drudging up repressed trauma sounds like a movie-goers understanding of psychotherapy. Most of us don't need to resort to that kind of thing. Doesn't mean we've never been mistreated. Doesn't mean that mistreatment hasn't shaped us in various ways.
Sorry you find this so infuriating. Probably a reason for that.
>>1325242
lol Freud... This isn't Frasier; psychiatrists don't actually identify as "Freudian" or "Jungian" or any such nonsense. The field has come very far since the time of Sigmund Freud.
>>1325511
lmao you're retarded
he wasn't claiming that they identify as freudian or jungian. Learn to comprehend before commenting faggot.
>>1325529
The point is that no one uses or teaches "Freudian" techniques any longer. I see that flew over your head in your desperate bid to embarrass someone. The further we dig this hole, the more obvious your need for help becomes. Funny.
>>1325458
I thought this was 4chan
>>1325571
He's just a troll. Always calling people vile over random stuff. I assume it's the same person who always makes comments about photographers being predatory.
>>1325606
>calls someone a troll because "he doesn't like to agree with me!"
Grow up, degenerate scum. Live your trashy lifestyle till the day you die for all I care.
Just let people live their lives and do the kink they want. Fucking nazis.
I feel as though black men are the most naturally dominant, and for good reason. They are typically the most masculine, and white men/women possess a subconscious instinct to serve them.
>>1328269
>I feel as though black men are the most naturally dominant. They are typically the most masculine
have you ever even met one in person?
>>1325446
>healthy mind
>gay
>>1328269
Most people who believe black men are superior and more masculine/dominant than whites have never actually been around everyday black men (aka not the 6'6'' foot tall muscled hung dominant black guy you found on fetlife or grindr)
>>1330282
who is the guy getting the blow job?
i think some guys love being dominated and having their masculinity taken away... getting dominated by verbal daddies is so hot
vid related
http://www.xtube.com/video-watch/me-getting-owned-by-three-s-27947351
I'm a bi-guy who (obviously) is dominant in hetero relationships and submissive/bottom in gay sex. I simply like it both ways. Some days I want to be daddy and dominate a hot little blonde slut with big tits. Other times I want to be bent over by an older guy with a huge dick...
I basically give my dick to women exclusively and my ass to men.
It's hilarious how many gay dudes laughed at me when I first started trying gay stuff.. saying "aww sweetheart you're just confused, you'll only be into men after a while" and none of that was true. I literally just like it both ways. I sleep with 15-20 women for every 1 man, but I still definitely identify as bi because I do love cock.
>>1332673
Thank you. Us bi men do exist. It is not a phase and it doesnt mean that we are straight when with a chick or that we are gay when we're with a dude. It also doesn't mean we're incapable of monogamy. Im versatile with men and women. I'll play the role that feels right at the time.
>>1332673
Can't blame people for the assumption. Almost every gay man uses "bisexual" as a training wheels identity before they accept themselves. It drags the term bi through the mud.
It seems conspicuous to me that you think of sex with each gender in terms of discrete roles instead of dynamics unique to each partner. It's also noteworthy that the "daddy" is the role that recurs in both.
>>1324490
There's a fair amount of /pol/ in this thread it seems but anyhow....
I'm pretty self-confident and directed in my everyday life, hit milestones and goals, work hard etc. When it comes to sex, I mostly want someone else to take charge - it's a form of relief in the same way as doing vigorous exercise. Sometimes you want to give someone else the keys and let them drive.
>>1324490
I like it both ways. It just depends on the other guy. Some guys I wanna top exclusively, some guys I wanna top me exclusively.
>>1324490
suggested reading:
The Prince - Machiavelli
Also Sprach Zarathustra - Nietzsche
Crime and Punishment - Dostoevsky
a biography of Napoleon
Compare and contrast your findings here with the philosophies of Kant, Locke and Rousseau, also incorporating what you know of fatalism and Calvinism. Then please post here what you've learned about human predetermination.
>>1332793
Im right on top of it Rose
I'm a 100% submissive bottom, that loves playing the role of the "wife" or "bitch".
I defiantly believe that some guys are born dominant or submissive but that doesn't mean all are
>>1332762
Yar, this one entirely. Too many decisions in every day life it's nice to have someone else take control from me.
>>1332793
Wow shut the fuck up.
Guys just shut the fuck up allright? I don't think it's ''being born this way'' but i just don't care. It's kinda hot to watch (btw op source pls) and it's good to go. Just stop talking like the way you live is the only truth and you're like a fucking high born. It doesn't mean that other person is a troll/retarded or needs to end his life.
>>1332793
Zarathustra was my first real introduction to the concept that some people will inevitably submit to others. I think the will to power is a fascinating concept.
yes
straight males are born to dominate
gay males are born to serve
>>1332950
its always lusty 55 year old human fleshjacks that seem to think this, nobody else with a non-aids ridden brain would ever believe this
>>1325108
i would love to personally beat the shit out of every person in that photo
fucking faggots
>>1332969
>lel look at me im angry straight faggot, im not gay see how manly i am
>look how not gay i am
>why do i want to fuck those guys i hate it
just be honest bro
>>1332970
i don't want to fuck those ugly faggots i need a real man not some LA faggot with a malformed face, shitty haircut and a fucking purse
>>1332974
none of the people in the photo are what you described, you're just another dull masc for masc fag that "hates the gay culture" but would drop his pants in a heartbeat to fuck a hot twink the second they showed their tight ass to you
>>1332960
It's always my fellow brain-dead youngins who seem to deny reality
>>1332977
take a closer look at that photo, if you don't see it then you're one of them
>you're just another dull masc for masc fag that "hates the gay culture" but would drop his pants in a heartbeat to fuck a hot twink the second they showed their tight ass to you
not a single thing in this post is true by the way
>>1325633
See, the fact that you actually said "degenerate scum" proves to me that you're a troll. If you want people to take you seriously then try to not use one of /pol/'s catchphrases.
>>1332931
I'm just trying to help Anon find the answer to the question he asked. Do you object because this is not the place for philosophical discussion or do you object because you'd like to continue believing your established notion of dominance/submissiveness and doing any sort of hard thinking into the subject will result in an unrest of your world view?
hm.
>>1324490
>Do you believe that some males are born to Dominate and some born to serve?
yes. i'm a sub faggot and i worship alpha males. i love to be slapped around and used as a cumdumpster.
>inb4 get some self-esteem
>>1325193
They can be but the confusion surrounding them is usually always caused by some form of trauma. You may believe that you were abuse by your dad but it was actually your uncle. The trauma exsist buy can be 'misblamed'. The mind can also create fake explanations to why things happened. The leads to a lot of self doubt and self blame. "you were abused because you did something horrible"
I can only speak from my own experiences. Growing up I definitely "started out" being attracted to strong, masculine men. I had a thing for big biceps and the "cool" guy in shows. As I grew, it started to become about being protected by a stronger male. Maybe it's because I didn't feel protected at home or at school. I was bullied a lot both places. And never really felt strong. I was also only really praise by my grandmother and other soft older women.
As an late teen, I craved attention from men. The straight guys at school were just starting to find out how to be a badass and I wanted to be a fairy. This was a recipe for more bullying.
Im just finishing with my being dominated fad. It really does feel like a fad. I've gotten into some really kinky shit. I would annoy the fuck out of my top just so he would beat the shit out of me and rape me. I would always ask for it rougher and rougher until last time it was just too much. It was like the glass finally over flowed.
In that moment I realized that I don't want to be treated that way. I don't want to be slapped in the face and spat on and slapped so hard on the ass. I just wanted a guy to hug me, feel how warm he is and be protected by him and protect him as well.
I just wanted male attention and I only knew one way of getting it, but im now hoping i cant get something different.
As gay men we are bullied more than another group of people and it would be surprising if it didn't fuck us up in some way. Especially if you come from a home where you can't escape, where there's more bullshit waiting for you. If we want attention from a guy, we asked to be bullied. And if we're a top/dominant we bully to get the same attention from the other end.
guys .. i am the most fucked from all of us
i want to be dominated by fem twinks
>>1333647
[spoiler]sauce?[/spoiler]
>>1332992
>not a single thing in this post is true by the way
Good rebuttal
>>1333984
This.
>>1334308
well what the hell else am i supposed to say?
it's like someone saying the sky is green
>>1324490
I started off as a sub, being a doms fuck toy and i enjoyed every experience. I tried being the dom on a couple occasions but I simply couldnt as I dont have a dominant personailty, not even behind closed doors in a bedroom could i pretend. So i just stick to being a sub, i know what I like and I get a lot of pleasure out of it
>>1333984
This made me hard.
I want to spit in your mouth, call you a fucking faggot, make you sniff my pits.
>then cuddle you really tight
>>1324490
>Do you believe that some males are born to Dominate and some born to serve?
Yes
As an Alpha, I can immediately tell which fags need my seed and which men like pussy.
>>1333002
except gays are literally degenerate scum. see that 1/3 of gay men have over 1000 sexual partners in their lifetime and many gays have disgusting fetishes.
Yes, I agree that some men are born to serve and some men are born to dominate.
However, that doesn't mean that all men are born to either serve or dominate. Many are a combination of both, or something else entirely
>>1335856
The phrase "disgusting fetishes" is analogous to "bad colors"
>>1335745
Thats called gaydar and doesn't prove anything
>>1335856
literally me
yes
>>1335745
where can i find and Alpha to serve?
>>1324493
*tips fedora*
>>1330314
It's Tyler Hunt
ok but
are we "born" with fetishes and kinks? are they wired into our brains or picked up at some point in our lives? and when?
Hey subs, post more stories and fantasies for a dom to jack off to.
>>1335745
>As an Alpha, I can immediately tell which fags need my seed and which men like pussy.
Wait is liking pussy actually a thing? I just thought it was a very long running meme.
>>1335856
1/3 of straight men would have 1,000 sex partners too if they could actually find that many women who would actually sleep with them.
Men are naturally horny beings, so when you take two guys it's simple multiplication and doubling of hornyness, it has nothing to do with gay being degenerate, just that men are naturally horny creatures, gay or straight.
Also there is no data to suggest that fetishes are more prevalent in the gay community that in the straight community, gay men might be more likely to admit to having one due to already being maligned by society, but truth is there are far more fetishistic websites dedicated to heterosexual fetish fantasies.
>>1338409
Kill yourself. You're about as much a "dom" as Donald Trump.
Hint: making up for insecurities with false-bravado and posturing only highlights what you lack. You're transparent as fuck.
>>1338430
Bad fag troll
>>1332673
I'm the same way. Generally very dom with women (with the occasional exception) but a total sub with men. Thought I was the only one
>>1338445
I'm the opposite. Total sub with women, love to get tied up and pegged. Total dom with men, love to handcuff them, whip them and fuck them. which is why my wife keeps me locked up.
it's really just sad how butthurt people can get over this. it makes me despise the fact that i like men if i share this with total whiny bitches like many in this thread. OP asked a simple question for christ's sake. sad cunts telling others to kill themselves, get a god damn life.
>inb4 justice warrior
>inb4 shut the fuck up and kill yourself
fuck off and don't take shit so serious - damn
>>1324490
>Do you believe that some males are born to Dominate and some born to serve?
Yes
>>1338891
Sauce please!
>>1338891
Wait in that pic who would be the alpha. I mean in a way they're both being beta, one is holding onto the other in an alpha like manner but he is eating his ass in a beta like manner.
>>1324490
actually it's just personal...
many bottoms are different from that model and vice versa...
but honestly being bottom is what makes me and many others horny... girls have the same problem ;p lel
>>1338955
Lolwut? Is that book for real?
>>1339007
>filename says "bdsm"
>he's just wearing a belt choker
>>1339007
Yes it's real. A friend actually recommended for me and said it actually has good advice that helped him to find love and a stable relationship, and so far I'd agree with him, the man he's with now theyve been together for about six years and they don't bicker and fight like his past boyfriends, I still need to pick the book up myself someday,
But yes it's real.
>>1339009
What are you talking about?
>>1339014
the picture says "bdsm" but there's absolutely nothing bdsm about it, other than the belt/choker on that guy's neck.
What extent do the people in this thread think these roles go? I'm a sub bottom when fucking but if I'm smarter than you (and i probably am) im going to run the relationship. All my past dating experiences have been like this. You fuck the shit out of me but I say when and where and what we do after and before.
>>1339043
There's nothing worse to me than a bossy smartass, it doesn't matter if you're a sub/dom or top/bottom.
>>1339009
From wikipedia: "BDSM is a variety of erotic practices or roleplaying involving bondage, dominance and submission, sadomasochism, and other interpersonal dynamics."
>>1339045
Im just saying. I like getting the shit fucked out of me but I'm not a little bitch in non sexual situations. I just want to know what Dom tops expect from their sub in the real world.
>>1339157
depends on the dom
>>1339157
most doms expect obedience and service.
some only want sexual subservience.
others want you to cook and clean and act like a wife, being available for sex whenever and however.
some want to pimp you out to other men.
some want to tie you up and kick your ass and whip your balls.
some want you to give them money and lick their feet.
communication of expectations is key to any relationship, but especially in binary/asymmetric relationships like these.
I think a select few are born to dominate, and another few are made to serve, but most men don't fit in either category.
I live a normal life, I have friends and family and a decent job, but I only feel RIGHT when I let go of all my own wants and needs and focus on a superior man.
I don't think half of men out there feel the way I do, and I know that not every man is just outright superior to me, and those men are the men who deserve to be served. They were just born superior.
>>1341074
I'm bi, and my gay side is definitely this.
When it comes to women, I can be attracted to all shapes, sizes, no matter where they fit on the scale of typical attractiveness. Sometimes I'm even less attracted to the real obvious beauties than more girl-next-door or 'average' ones. I'm also not as interested in the very young looking cute type of girls, I'm more into sluts, milfs, alt girls, etc. I definitely prefer women to men, and would only 'date' a woman, but I can't deny my love for a big cock.
With guys they have to be my 'superior', like you say. For me it's a bit more like cuckoldry. I'm an attractive, fit, masculine guy, but I'm small. Small hands, small feet, small dick. So I really get off on servicing a bigger, stronger, superior male with a big dick and good genes.
But as I'm sure you're aware, my 'shortcomings' aren't really as big of a deal to women as they are to some men (and obviously myself). Most women are content with my body. I just get off to the idea of servicing a man that would truly satisfy a woman without fail. Weirdly it always comes back to women, which really doesn't make sense if the guy I'm with is 'gay'... but I just get off to the fact that his body is closer to the ideal male body than mine and that most women would likely choose him over me.
>>1341131
That's weird and hot. I like the idea of overpowering a smaller straight(ish) guy and forcing him to begrudgingly succumb to me. Seeing his little dick get hard without his control and then teasing him to the point where he takes my big dick out and tries to swallow whole.
When I was a kid, I loved to be submissive to jock type guys and be penetrated and swallow dick.
In college, I switched roles and became the top guy. This coincided with a growth spurt and as my body filled out with muscle mass and I became more masculine.
Later, I took up with women and it seemed like a natural transition for me, but never gave up hooking up with guys.
Sometimes, if I see a guy with a huge dick in the locker room, I get a twinge of jealously and a flash of desire to serve the guy, particularly if he's really well built and good looking, but this is just a passing feeling.
Maybe all this is just biologically hard wired into our genes or something, and is a way of helping us survive and pass along our genes to another generation. A lot of the guys I fucked in college now have families, for example. Being submissive for awhile didn't seem to hurt them at all.
>>1341138
Source?
Started out being a sub, but once I started a relationship with another bottom my tastes adapted. I still like the idea of bottoming but I admit topping is more satisfying. blear blagh Jacob is poop.
>>1324490
A good bottom is one who cooks and cleans and would wear gloves or hosiery when nobody else does. Never wears lazy boring flats. Does his duty basically. However. You do not put your hands on the crown of my head whilst other activities are occurring and seeing images of feet on necks will never happen if I were around but I can understand it to a degree from a pornographic understanding
check out the huge cock and extra long foreskin on the kid getting spanked in this video.
anyone have the full length video?
i think the kid's name is james.
http://dadloveshisson.tumblr.com/post/142268374948/thedominantdaddyblog-daddy-makes-sure-his-boy
19 yr old spanked by step dad
James was supposed to do some chores, instead he's caught by his step dad drinking his beer. Leaving his step dad no other choice, James is sent to his room where he is then given a very hard bare bottom spanking over the knee and a bent over caning.
mancspank-productions/19+yr+old+spanked+by+step+dad
Love being dominated and pleasing a man
>>1324490
No.
>>1325250
While he's fucking you tell him to step on your face, I guess.
It's easier to show than tell.
If anyone knows a name for this I'd love to know.
It's a real "Show you who's boss" position.
>>1339043
My last fuck buddy was smarter than me (not by yards but he was). Smarter doesn't mean more assertive. Also smarter how. You may know more about Herodotus and Diogenes than me but I may be able to read social situations better. Or be able to tell you the intricacies of city wide plumbing operations.
You sound like someone who isn't fun to date.
>>1341826
All these responses say a lot about doms. Apparently they have to be better than to, then you're fun to date.
>>1340333
Im just tired of being disrespected to be honest. Im sick of being asked "when are you sucking my dick" as the first thing they say or being called bottom instead of my name.
I find that there are two types of doms/tops. Those who need to dominate and humiliate and bully to feel strong and those who look to be worshiped and adored. I much rather have control over how i make you feel powerful than you force it out me. I want to tell you how sexy, strong and impressive you are instead of you telling how small and weak I am. I want to do chores for you when I want to, when I want to show you I appreciate you, not because I was born too or whatever the fuck. It's seemingly impossible to find guys that actually respect me just because I'm smaller framed and look young and its annoying as fuck. Role-playing is one thing but telling me im born to clean your underwear is another
>>1341834
I'm gonna guess you mean "better than you"
That's not what i was saying at all.
He just seems like an my his own ass brat.
>>1341841
*Up his own ass
>>1341841
Just like every dom ever. It's okay for them to be cocky but no one else
>>1341724
i made this for you anon:
https://www.sendspace.com/file/bhfaug
>>1341837
> It's seemingly impossible to find guys that actually respect me
>>1334037
good luck with that
>>1338955
>eating his ass in a beta like manner.
eating ass is actually dominant: he is preparing it to get fucked the way a straight man would eat a woman's pussy to loosen it up before pounding her.
>>1324490
Valar Dohaeris!!!
>>1341837
Do you tell them those things? People who share a fetish might not share the same brand. You need to discuss how you like to be treated so both parties enjoy the play.
i am a cocksucker.
i was born to serve.
>>1343458
No, you're degenerate. That's all.
I think the sub/dom thing is fine in the bedroom. I don't have an issue with someone being one or the other or conforming to a corresponding role in their public relationship but I hate this fucking T.I.M. shit where the bottoms are just like waiting in a harem to suck dick or wandering the earth NEEDING to suck dick because IT IS THEIR PURPOSE FOR LIVING I AM A HUGE FAGGOT PLEASE RAPE MY FACE.
It also pisses me off that they try to impose this pseudo-cultish lifestyle horseshit on every other gay person, alive or dead, and even a good chunk of straight people.
>>1325303
i feel like that's uncomfortable for the balls though
>>1339043
>>1339044
seems not totally implausible since you see women doing it all the time with their emasculated bf/husbands.
But women have a big advantage in that they can withhold sex. Obviously guys can try their luck elsewhere but it usually means time, money and emotional drain from playing guessing games. Even that it's hardly guaranteed.
It's like this in their actual relationships too sometimes but they know their gf/wife and what to do to keep her happy.
>>1343811
implying there is a difference
>>1343860
This, this, a thousand times this
>>1335856
>le 40 year old research meme
>>1332793
Honestly?
Those are mostly a load of pretentious bullshit.
Nietzsche, particularly.
If you want a philosophy based on something close to actual, objective truth; then you want Nihilism.
If you want a philosophy that will help make you happier and more productive; then you want Humanism and a dash of Utilitarianism.
I do both.
I just do weird shit.
I'm into basically all the kinks that aren't power dynamic related. And then a lot of the ones that are.
>TFW every "kink" I cross on net its on bdsm stuff and material and not into raw and humilliating rape-play.
>>1346795
I just love pics like the left, i dont like the dom and sub labels outside of sex but during it's so hot.
>>1339043
the movie duke of burgundy is a nice example of this dynamic in the sub/dom relationship.
Been pleasing older men since I was 15
>>1325382
Is he talking about women?
>>1337284
>That pic
Christ almighty
>>1345314
You got source on that pic?
>>1347667
well let's hear about it, how'd you start?? share some stories/more pics!
>>1347826
Bumping for stories
>>1325303
Balleye Bill
>>1345304
>something close to actual, objective truth; then you want Nihilism
>>1341837
This!!
Roleplaying will only get you so far in a
relationship. If you're with a dominate guy, he
should let you be submissive, not force it out
of you. If he appreciates you, he will appreciate
what you're doing for him by your WANTING
to do it-- I think that's what makes a great
bottom; someone who wants to do things for
their man, not by force or servitude.
Don't get me wrong, I like when a guy calls me
a bitch or cock sucker, just not every waking
moment.
>>1347863
I wonder sometimes if I could manage a relationship with a dom guy. Sometimes I think the most ideal way to manage my sub side is if a guy is ok with an open relationship and I have a dom guy I see on rare occasions. But that's unrealistic in some ways, right?
Its true that from a sexual standpoint I (usually)need a certain amount of submissiveness for it to be "amazing" sex instead of just "good" sex. But theres more to it than that of course.
If you're small and smooth and fem then you should serve.
If you're big and hairy and masc then you should dominate.
Sometimes it's kinda annoying that guys always figure I'm dominant because I'm tall, somewhat muscular, and have a fairly large dick. I love to top, but I love sucking dick too, and I enjoy being a bottom slut the most. It's stupid that a lot of people just think it's one or the other.
>>1328273
Who the fuck hasn't? Like 1/4 my school year group was black
>>1348922
you're just confused
>>1348236
You know, i was gonna argue about that but... it's true...
>>1348902
In porn yes
i was curious about men. i was thinking i will be top and try some and find an answer.
find a decent guy for my first time, 37 yo, athletic, nice, polite with a 19 cm dick. you know, i was thinking i am a "real guy", "just experimenting things".
we sat close, he put his hand on my crotch and pulled his dick. as soon as i saw that dick, something inside me snapped. i started sucking like a whore, like a professional porn star. he fucked my brains out all day from 2 p.m. to midnight. i was like a slut.
so i am agreeing with you OP. i was sub without thinking.
The classical Greeks and Romans would be completely appalled by modern homoerotic culture...
>>1333647
Plasepleaseplease sauce
Also, I believe it lives on a separate, yet, related kinsey-type scale to one's own basic "sexuality" (ie not a huge fucking deal at all really).
Are there any actions or things said thst trigger your sub or dom sides? Especially things that are not inherently sexual.
When a guy adjusts or lossens his pants, or stretches his arms out, or when he just lays back and gets spread out and relaxed (including manspreading), that gets me going.
>>1332969
hell yeah
>>1349110
Thats are all good. Crossing arms and looking down at me. Glaring. Honestly, tho if youre an attractive guy I'll try to get the Dom side out of you or make you dom
>>1324490
>Do you believe that some males are born to Do
Obviously
some days you want to top
other days
>oh yeah baby fuck me like the little faggot princess i am
>>1349050
So what ? Everybody would be appalled by Greek and Roman cultures if they took the time to look into it
>>1348928
The world isn't New York or Texas
There is still a huge majority of areas in Europe, Asia, Canada (and even northern USA) where black people are close to inexistent
>>1340333
im a top, but i dont really expect a guy to do anything during sex, only that he takes my dick up his ass and not the other way around. i don't care about the rest desu senpai
>>1324490
no. Doms are into power, the idea that their dominance of subs is ordained by Nature Herself is just something they make up to enhance their power trip
This guy is 6'7, I like dom guys that are tall :Q____
Anyone know any good linkable stories about dom coaches and sub straight jocks turned gay? Those are always hot as fuck
>>1351240
Nifty.org has quite a few stories like that. Look up Coachs Office, its a very lengthy saga that centers around a coach blackmailing a jock student into being his fuckboy. Theres a lot of other characters too.
http://www.nifty.org/nifty/gay/adult-youth/coachs-office/
10 years ago this was my spank material if I was away from the computer since my phone was obviously not a smart phone able to handle pics and vids that well.
>>1351409
Dennis Hastert, the former Speaker of the House who has been accused of molesting five minors while coaching high school sports, is reportedly “sorry,” according to his lawyer.
http://gawker.com/former-speaker-of-the-house-accused-of-sexually-abusing-1770141311
>>1325509
Classic Freudian unfalsifiable bullshit.
>if you disagree with my argument, that supports my argument
>>1351578
No, it's just basic denial. People suggest something you feel reflects negatively on you, and then you go REEEEEE!
>>1334410
This made me hard.
>>1351581
>presented with claim that Freudian psychoanalysis is fallacious
>responds with a term from Freudian psychoanalysis
Lol, i may be fucked in the head, but at least i'm not fucking stupid like you
I understood your argument from your initial post, you didn't need to regurgitate it. What you fail to consider is that, while repression may in some cases explain an angry reaction to amateur psychoanalysis from the likes of fuckasses like you, it is not the ONLY possible reason for such a reaction. You're basically gaslighting people when you domineeringly pry into the subtle inner workings of their psyche, call into question their memories and sanity, and then attempt to manipulate them further by stating their (understandably) angry response to your prying is evidence for your point.
Why don't you tell me again how your attempts to mentally manipulate people isn't a valid reason for them to get angry.
>>1352294
Since you're still going on about repressed memories and outdated Freudian psychoanalysis, you have not understood my point at all. You're tripping all over yourself trying to counter my every word, and that's just not how arguments work. That's how tantrums work.
The only thing you're mad about is the slim chance I'm right. You find insight terrifying and would rather keep your fetish some transparent Scooby Doo mystery. Boo fucking hoo.
>>1352294
>"attempts to mentally manipulate people"
top kek
I'm not even the guy, I'm just browsing /hm looking for a quick fap and instead I'm treating to a guy so uncomfortable with having his motivations laid bare he treats attempts at understanding his reasons and motives as manipulation
No one's manipulating you into anything. If talking about your inner motivations makes you feel bad, no one's manipulating you into feeling bad. It's simply that you yourself, deep down, feel bad and just refuse to admit it
>inb4 I'm also being Freudian
>>1352540
>>1352338
I can sense from your patronizing air and firm yet tender willingness to reductively explain my own psychology that you probably have daddy issues.
Most likely, you strive to affect a pedagogical masculinity as a way to cope with abandonment or abuse from a father figure at some point in your development. This probably informs your sexuality, as well, and if I had to guess I'd say it played a huge part in your attraction to men. Your sexual strivings are probably attempts to glean some male attention that you just didn't get enough of when you were a kid.
Boy, psychology sure is fun, isn't it? Remarkable that I could read so deeply and intimately into your personal psyche from just a few hundred words you typed between faps on a gay imageboard.
>>1352338
For the record, my point was only ever that your argument is a trap.
You accuse somebody of being effected in some way by abuse they received as a child. If they agree with your point, you pat yourself on the back for helping yet another poor, repressed faggot figure their shit out.
If they disagree, you say that's the repression talking, throw your hands up in the air, and tell them to grow up.
That, my friend, isn't how an argument works. Neither of us are psychologists but the difference is that I don't take it upon myself to reductively explain the reasons behind somebody's intimate and personal sexual preferences to them.
Sexuality is much more complicated than that, and your vain belief that you know better is only causing more confusion for kinksters that are likely already having a hard time figuring out why they like what they like. There isn't even a conclusive opinion in the psychological community that neatly explains sexual preferences the way you're trying to, so I'm just confused how you know so much from that one time you "spoke with a therapist."
I'm not even the guy you were trying to psychoanalyze earlier in the thread. I'm not the one talking about the unreliability of repressed memories or whatever. Hell, I'm not even trying to make a point. Other than that you're an asshole.
>>1352958
Nice use of fallacy to try and prove your point.
Next time, don't use a combination of strawman logic and reductio ad absurdum to try to prove your point. You don't sound smarter, you only sound more bitter
>hurr durr YOU HAVE DADDY ISSUES BECAUSE I REFUSE TO ACKNOWLEDGE YOUR POINT
It's basically what you said.
>>1352962
Nice use of terminology you don't know the definition of.
A strawman argument is a form of reductio ad absurdum. Neither of which are applicable in this case because I was never trying to prove a point.
I was making fun of you.
If you're gonna do anything besides misunderstand my posts and regurgitate your own, (providing a morsel of actual evidence, for example) pls do it quick because I'm rapidly losing interest. I called you stupid earlier to try and hurt your feelings, but now I'm realizing you're actually stupid and I kind of just feel bad.
>>1352540
>>1352958
>>1352961
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>>1352984
bitch and moan...
this is not the place for it.
take your temper tantrums elsewhere faggots.
>>1352990
Ur a faggot harry
>a what?
a faggot
>>1345304
Wait until you're 18 before posting next time
>>1352961
It's not a trap. I didn't come to my conclusion because you disagreed, but how and why you disagreed. You're very obviously upset by psychoanalysis in general and seem eager to bury any insight it could provide.
But look at me, warping the innocent minds of anons on /hm/ with my rhetorical traps... Whatever makes you feel better about plugging your ears.
>>1353639
source/names please
Honestly i love dick and i need it so bad
obviously
>>1324490
It's called "Divine right to rule"
It's a saying much older than the application being discussed here
>>1356517
sauce?
>>1341131
>I'm bi, and my gay side is definitely this.
>When it comes to women, I can be attracted to all shapes, sizes, no matter where they fit on the scale of typical attractiveness. Sometimes I'm even less attracted to the real obvious beauties than more girl-next-door or 'average' ones. I'm also not as interested in the very young looking cute type of girls, I'm more into sluts, milfs, alt girls, etc. I definitely prefer women to men, and would only 'date' a woman, but I can't deny my love for a big cock.
>With guys they have to be my 'superior'
Holy shit this is literally me. Every. Single. Word.
I'm amazed by the sheer accuracy of this.
>>1324501
what scene is this?
>>1361096
sauce on this?
arab poof shoving his hole
http://theteenboy.com/video/35252/arab-poof-shoving-his-hole
>>1362881
Ah Ah Ah what a pathetic faggot
>>1325108
honestly, whats even the context for this picture?
>>1324490
yes i believe that. so does my same sex 28 year old twink bottom spouse. im twice his age
>>1347667
Please share stories
>>1328269
>>1333984
Really? That shit just made me hate people, not want to please them.
4chan is the most substantive social contact I have, because this is the only place I can interact with people without wanting to fuck them or fight them. God bless MMA.
The Nature vs Nurture of BDSM likely follows a bell curve like most everything else does.
You need to remember that D/s is far, FAR older than humanity. D/s interrelationships are certainly as old as multicellular life and likely near as old as unicellular life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominance
D/s mechanics are an emergent law of nature; that is seen over and over, everywhere.
Their influence over our minds and behaviors is subtle and deep.
>>1352294
>>1352338
>>1352540
>>1352958
>>1352961
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>>1352984
Would you faggots shut the fuck up? Nobody cares outside of how fucking stupid your shitty psychology-flavored cock measuring contest makes you look.
>>1347860
>>1353007
He's right though.
The universe is empty of motivation or purpose or meaning or ethics. It just is.
That's the objective, scientific "truth".
And the basis of Nihilism.
Every other philosophy is bullshit and pretense.
Like religion but without all the fun and games.
>>1363731
>>1363740
God I love weed.
>>1324490
I think that the ancient Greeks had it just right and that when you're young, you should be the bottom and learn from other guys, then get into trade-offs and versatile stuff with other guys your age and then end up as a top or get married and start a family.
This seems logical to me, or at least this is what happened with me and it felt right.
>>1324490
My main issue with this whole thing is born to "serve". I think I was born to take dick (like a champ) but I'm not serving anyone like a peasant. Just my two cents, peace!
>>1363881
I hear about this a lot and it's so interesting. Did you always feel like you were going to end up with a girl? I want to marry a dude right now (22)
>>1324490
>some males are born to Dominate and some born to serve
yes. they're called tops and bottoms.
http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=1316135730
>>1364042
Sauce, desu?
LMAO this thread
>>1358672
Same here, I love most all women but when it comes to men, I need to be completely dominated by a big strong man
> no dominant daddies around ever
> pack on muscles
> thinking about becoming a dominant guy
It would be so much easier.
>>1324490
I want to serve...the idea of being someones cumdump turna me on so much. Just want to feel his hands around me as his cock slides in and out until he cums inside marking me as his own.
Remember, guys, that it's all just an illusion. They're rarely better than you.
You're rarely better than them.
And vice-versa. All of it is false.
We're all just a bunch of humans sloshing around, burning time, and muddling about in our grown-up playgrounds.
Pretenders to power that we would rightfully hate and destroy if we ever came near it.
We will never be Duke Nukem or his bitch.
I feel better, now.
I think this one's more on the nurture end of the spectrum. I feel like most people's sexual predilections are based on past experience, i.e. relationship with one's parents, early sexual development, social climate, etc.
Also, I think it's important to point out that a strict sub/dom binary is a false dilemma. If you restrict yourself to either end of the spectrum you're not going to have very much fun, you dumb faggots.
i'm exclusively submissive/bottom and i've always been this way.
>>1325108
im a gay, i dont dress like that i dont talk like that, what is this shit?
>>1364524
In High School, I was skinny and bullied and not in a position to be anything but beta. A couple times, I was sexually victimized...and I could do nothing about it.
I did well in school, so I got a lot of offers and I was able to line up scholarships. Believe me, I got as far away from home as possible.
In this new environment, I was nurtured and 'physical culture' was stressed just as much as academics. I thrived and I started filling out, too. Little by little, I became more dominant, more masculine and sexually experienced.
The net result was that instead of a beta faggot, I got to become more of an alpha and found I liked being the dude on top.
I went back to my Podunk town years later for a family funeral and was shocked. Some of those High School hunks who had bullied me and raped me were locked into the same stupid cycle of dead-end factory employment as their fathers were. They'd married their pom-pom girl sweethearts and had their families and guess what? A lot of them had got old, ugly and overweight and they were just as stupid as ever.
Don't know what it was I saw in them. After thirty, these guys went downhill after their brief blaze of alphadom. Meanwhile, I had a really decent career, investments, assets paid for, etc.
A couple of them tried to feed me grief, trying to act like they did in High School. I just gave them a hard stare, mentioned something about the one guy being a beer belly short of being a man and walked off.
It was actually disappointing to see all the shit, but I'd gained perspective on it all. There was one guy from High School who still looked fit and trim and he had been one of the jock bullies. He actually apologized for the way he'd acted to me.
He was still alpha, but no longer a shit ass. We were able to relate to each other as equals. That felt fucking great.
Shit changes and we're socially mobile individuals, we're also role-mobile, too, given the right circumstances.
>>1367411
Can I just ask you what you expect from your partner?
Also I was raped as well; i think its far more common in males than people think
>>1367583
Maybe I'm calloused to hell, but I think men care a lot less about being raped than women, usually.
Sucks, but not life ruining trauma.
Though I'm biased, because I've never understood why people think rape is much different than getting beaten up.
But my psyche is fucked up, so I can't rely on what I think about other people to be near what other people think about other people.
I'm indifferent to BDSM in sex and elsewhere. My thoughts and goals don't place any particular significance on D/s, just another thing.
So I like reading about this stuff.
>be 5 foot tall manlet with much taller wife
>she constantly teases me that if I was gay I would always be the bottom
>even goes so far to say that "her co-workers would make me their chew toy" if I tried to get between them flirting with her
She has now made me shave my legs. Says a little guy like me looks much better clean shaven then with ugly leg hair.
>Actually like how my legs feel though
I'm not sure if this is good or bad anons. My wife seems to constantly be viewing me as some sort of submissive bottom when she compares me to other men. To be honest... I do feel like that around bigger men; especially guys who flirt with her in front of me. She likes the attention but I'm too shy and nervous to actually say anything.
>>1341138
Sounds like my wife's corporate co-workers when I tried to get drinks with her and them one time. They did nothing but tease me in front of her because I went to the bathroom at the same time as them and had to stand on my tiptoes to use the urinals. Made me feel like a little boy compared to them.
32 years old here
I think physical size matters a lot with regards to being a bottom or top
When I was a teen, I was more of a bottom. Now, since I am a big guy, I am a top.
I dont like the idea of bottoming for someone shorter/weaker than me, and since statistically, the men who are considerably bigger than me, and also gay, are very very few, I am pretty much forced by demography to be a top.
Also, for the young people I see here, some of them quite racist who only like very pale, blonde, young twinks. Your taste in men changes as you age.
>>1368485
you have a shitty wife tbqh
>>1368514
>I think physical size matters a lot with regards to being a bottom or top
eh idk, a lot of people find something really hot about a little guy fucking the shit out of some big muscle dude
>>1368485
Your legs look great shaved.
The next step is to get rid of the rest of your body hair, including pubes.
>>1368514
>I think physical size matters a lot with regards to being a bottom or top
Then why is every attractive 6'+ guy on Craigslist begging for a bbc up their boipussy?
>>1368555
youre right, I see so many ads from big guys wanting to get fucked.
I'm pretty much a bottom I guess but I'm really masculine so I don't really embrace it
>>1368552
That's the next step. I could finish up tomorrow.
>>1368535
I think it's a sort of domination thing. She probably see me next to a huge, built dude and naturally assumes I would be the submissive bottom. She would be right. I kind of get turned on by a much bigger man being able to please my wife in ways I can't.... hell, sometimes I imagine myself pleasing him.
>>1368484
Just from your comments I can tell that it affects you but probably only because I went through it too.I mean, something did draw you into this thread so you much be kinda interested in someway. I honestly hope your okay, you seem like a strong guy.
I wouldn't say it wasn't life ruining; it definitely fucked me up in head. although it did happen to me a really young age and then again when I was in college a few years. I can't really be intimate with a guy without feeling like he's against me in some way or that he doesn't respect. And for the longest time I would have black outs where I was living life but my brain was recording it/reminding anything. It's also been an uphill battle trying to learn to respect myself and feel like I have power over myself.
I find that I use BDSM to feel powerful. Im a Sub and I feel like if I master getting fucked hard and being degraded and learn to cope with it in a safe way, I can move on with my life without worrying if it happens again. It how I overcome it. Kinda fucked I know.
>>1338955
Wow! It's almost like you can't reduce people's sexual behaviour to a single letter.
>>1324490
>Do you believe that some males are born to Dominate and some born to serve?
yes
>>1356517
Sauce?
>>1373931
Not sure about the exact video, but the top is Hayden Clark.
