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Was there ever any serious plans by Europeans to conquer China,
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Was there ever any serious plans by Europeans to conquer China, Korea and Japan? If so, how likely were they to succeed?
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>>993078
Willy wanted to conquer Japan for some reason
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Ask the Japanese about Douglas MacArthur.
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>>993078

>According to Lord Thomas, a combination of Spanish conquistadors and missionaries, led by a remarkable character named Lopez de Legazpi, proposed to use the new Spanish colony of the Philippines as the launch-pad for a Spanish and Christian takeover of China”an ambition they styled la empresa de China , “the China Project.” The “’project” fired the imaginations of Legazpi’s successors, who pressed the Spanish monarch, Philip II, for permission to bring China under Spanish control. Philip, whom Hugh Thomas styles “the Great Procrastinator,” dithered, being preoccupied with rebellion in the Spanish Netherlands, and eventually cooled to the idea.
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Quite a lot of coastal China was conquered piecemeal by colonial powers. Concessions. Extrateratoriality. Spheres of influence.

Just one crazy example: from 1854 to 1941 the United States had a fleet patrolling the length of the Yangtze (up to 2100km inland): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yangtze_Patrol
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>>993182
>“the Great Procrastinator,”
stealing that title for myself
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>>993078
>Was there ever any serious plans by Europeans to conquer China, Korea and Japan?
Yes. Though not so much about Korea. And Japan was only ever considered by USA because they missed out on China.
>If so, how likely were they to succeed?
Well, the first imagination for European conquest of China was dreamed up by Spaniards in the 16th Century (see >>993182). And I'd say it was nigh fucking impossible as China was still quite the power at the time. Spain alone had serious fucking problems fighting Chinese pirates in the Philippines. One warlord- Limahong- nearly ousted them from the Philippines. Pirates. Now imagine the Ming/1600's-1700's Qing Fucking Army.

Japan was also considered but the warrior class there and the fighting turned the Spaniards & Portuguese off.

You could say any realistic conquering of East Asia was only achieved by the 19th Century, but then priorities changed: it was now just selling shit to China and not acquiring China. Though the spastic German Emperor, Wilhelm II, and his nationalist buddies imagined a "German India" in China.

Though how he would achieve this when his Officers and Weapons producers were making wicked profit selling Mausers n' Howitzers to China not to mention TRAINING CHINA'S OWN FUCKING ARMY is one thing I don't know.

USA wanted Japan for a base to trade with China but they were Cockblocked by their civil war. They came back: Japan was modernized, and it was a no go, settling for stealing Spain's spot in Asia instead.
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>>993331
What do I search for to learn more about the American plans to colonize Japan?
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>>993661
See >>993177
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Super hard to conquer a country with a massive population, with an organized state, that's on the other side of the globe.
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>>993331

This

Europeans didn't really make any headways into Asia until steam ships came about, before then their outposts and colonies were at the mercy of regional powers.
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>>993165
>Willy wanted to conquer Japan
[citation needed]
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>>993078
Qing was to big of a country and controlling the population would be a nightmare, to not forget every European country fought over influence in China. There certanly was ideas and plans, as statted in this thread.

>>993331
Why did Willhelm II destroy the sino-german relationship? They literally cucked themselves by cucking China.

>tfw Germany helped Qing build the most powerful warships in 1880
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