I have two questions /his/.
1. Would the Pan-Arabist movement have survived the 20th century if the Arabic coalition won the Yom Kippur war?
2. Would it have been able to stop the rise of Islamism as the dominant ideology in the Middle East if it did survive?
>>991329
>Pan-anything
>Viable
>Ever
Go back to your Swedish DLC simulators, please.
>>991342
Elaborate.
No.
No.
Islam stopped being united even before the Qur'an was written down, and Al-Wahhab invented the idea of acknowledging the insufficiently orthodox Muslims as infidels punishable by death.
There is no Ummah, only war.
>>991329
The Arab nations' complete lack of unity is what lost them the war.
Moslem culture does not allow for any common feature other than religion, so they are all tribal as fuck because high-reaching ideals are an insult their moon god and lolifucking prophet
>>991347
I don't understand how that is pertinent to the subject.
Pan-Arabism was a secular, socialist movement.
>>991346
Many countries have serious differences even between their own regions, and I'm not even talking about terminal cases like Belgium or Bosnia - look at Northern and Southern France, for example. How the fuck would huge Arabic countries be able to be united?
It's like Pan-Slavism hadn't taught you people anything.
>>991329
The Last Chance was with Muhammad Ali Pasha
After that it was too late for Any sort of a pan arab state to work given Geopolitics
>>991356
>How the fuck would huge Arabic countries be able to be united?
With the use of powerful propaganda, exactly what a united victory against Israel could have provided.
>>991352
>they are all tribal as fuck because high-reaching ideals are an insult their moon god and lolifucking prophet
Ah yes, very impressive argument.
>>991361
That's not how it works. Look at Yugoslavia, it was a state with decent quality of life which kicked Germans out essentially by itself, united by Tito's leadership.
Then Tito dies, Serbs start acting like imperialist cunts they are, and everything falls apart. You can't just "invent" a new identity, you have to have some serious grounds for that. And no, common religion is not serious grounds. And no, Arabs aren't exactly a single ethnicity.
>>991353
>I don't understand how that is pertinent to the subject.
Religious and civil authorities and hereditary monarchs don't want to be replaced by infidels, foreigners, and foreign infidels. Not rocket science.
This is why the many attempts (Pan-Arabic Movement, United Arab Republic, Arab Federation, Federation of Arab Republics, Arab Islamic Republic, etc.) systematically failed.
>Pan-Arabism was a secular, socialist movement.
Exactly.
>>991361
Nothing short of a messianic second coming of Muhammad can accomplish that.
>>991379
Oh, and you can count ISIS amongst the failures, here's what the Palestinians think of it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5nigZzgf4Y
>>991373
>you have to have some serious grounds for that.
Religion, language, history and a common interest against the West still seem like a pretty decent starting block if you ask me. All of which could easily be used to produce strong propaganda.
Yugoslavia collapsed because it was a single state composed of numerous cultures where in the end one single culture couldn't stop trying to gain unfair powers above all the others. The Pan-Arab movement advocated the creation of an Arab union, not a single state.
>>991379
>Religious and civil authorities and hereditary monarchs don't want to be replaced by infidels, foreigners, and foreign infidels.
You have totally misunderstood Pan-Arabism, the entire purpose it was born for was to protect the independence of the Arab states from foreign influences.
Tbh The Real Question should be how did India managed to pull off Pan Hinduism
Given how the different between Indians is even bigger Than the differences between Slavs/Arabs/Europeans/Latin Americans yet they managed to unite while those failed
>>991388
>Religion
>history
Muslims kill each other over those.
>>991395
>the entire purpose it was born for was to protect the independence of the Arab states from foreign influences
That's the Arab League, founded in 1945, which is still around, as it survived the pan-Arab nationalist, unificationist nonsense of the 50s and 60s.
>>991405
The British did the work for them
>>991408
The details don't matter when it comes to propaganda. The simple basis is that they all worship one God and once upon a time they all got together conquered half of the known world.
True or not that's all you need.
The Arab League is a league, Pan-Arabism is an ideology. It's pointless to compare them.
>>991422
>The details don't matter when it comes to propaganda.
Bitter historical enemies being bitter historical enemies is no detail, it does matter, and ME history shows it repeatedly.
The Shiites are not going to magically forget the battle of Kerbala which they mourned for over a millennia.
Propaganda doesn't work like that.
Dreams of Pan-Arabism died with Muhammad and they're only become less and less likely as the mutual hatred festers and rises.
>>991422
>The details don't matter when it comes to propaganda
What exactly do you think propaganda is? It's not a magic brainwashing tool, you have to have real life basis for it to work.
>>991442
>Bitter historical enemies being bitter historical enemies is no detail, it does matter, and ME history shows it repeatedly.
This is a phenomenon that can be found throughout the world, but yesterdays enemies can always become tomorrow's allies. Take Britain and France for example. I still do believe that an Arab coalition victory against Israel would have greatly improved relations between the Arab countries and paved the way for a new period of relations between the countries.
>The Shiites
The Shiites played a very minor part in the Pan-Arab movement, the only major Shiite movement at the time was Persia which didn't participate in the movement at all. Iraq would be another place where Shia-Sunni hatred could have caused a problem but the Shias and Sunnis of the region had coexisted relatively well for many years until the rise of Islamism there.
>Propaganda doesn't work like that.
>>991459
Read Mein Kampf.
>>991405
Because the hate Indian Muslims had for their movement only served to unite the Indian people more than ever against Pakistan.
>>991329
Pan-arabism, like any "Pan-xxxx" movement, is a disgusting and unhealthy product of colonialism and must be fought.
>>991489
>Mein Kampf
So you're not pretending to be retarded, you're as deluded as Hitler? Ok, then.
>>991489
Of course you know that in States with a cultural police you can't just spread your beloved propaganda without encountering some resistance from the authorities who wish to preserve their authority?
Holy shit, they think Islamic countries are like European Colleges. Jesus.
>>991508
And by the way, I wasn't even implying I followed Mein Kampf in case you actually thought I did.
I was using it as an example of how huge tracts of history and truth can be distorted to provide still effective propaganda.
