How exactly does one ride the tiger?
>>986855
i use lots of drugs to
>>986860
not OP desu
>>986855
When you can see his stripes but you know he's clean.
By finding opportunities in this disgusting degenerated world to better yourself.
>>986855
By being an edgelord IRL and then pretending to actually be ultraconservative when people call you on your shit.
>>986895
Give me an example
>>986855
Carefully.
T. Diogenes
>>986855
Accepting all the bullshit degeneracy and its dominance today, but hiding your power level and eventually sharing your feelings with trusted like-minded people so that the light is not truly extinct in this world.
By sitting on its back
>>986855
By struggling to make yourself better outside the degenerate world that lost any virtue from the past.
>>986870
I don't see what you mean?
>>986952
I know! I was trying to do a thing!
>Ride the tiger
>You can see his stripes but you know he's clean
>Oh don't you see what I mean
>>986855
Stick your dick in sweet tiger vag.
>>986855
I don't know, if only he wrote a book about this...
>>986977
He doesn't actually say how to though
>>986947
Like how they do at reddit?
>>986998
plebbitors are the most dissolute of all
>>987045
According to whose arbetiary moral standars?
I know they are as good as others on tbeir own.
>>986948
That's a Dio reference.
>>987061
So was that
>>986855
By checkin those sweet dubs
>>986855
In my view it is just a further (re)development of the Amor Fati concept as purported by Nietzsche:
>I want to learn more and more to see as beautiful what is necessary in things; then I shall be one of those who make things beautiful. Amor fati: let that be my love henceforth! I do not want to wage war against what is ugly. I do not want to accuse; I do not even want to accuse those who accuse. Looking away shall be my only negation. And all in all and on the whole: some day I wish to be only a Yes-sayer.
>My formula for greatness in a human being is amor fati: that one wants nothing to be different, not forward, not backward, not in all eternity. Not merely bear what is necessary, still less conceal it—all idealism is mendacity in the face of what is necessary—but love it.
In a way the struggle in Ride the Tiger is like the struggle that Nietzsche foresaw with the death of God as a concept and the advent of nihilism he saw on the horizon that he wanted to counter-act against.
Evola in the same vein here sees the struggle of the traditional man and how he should deal with the ills of modernism without succumbing to nihilism.
>>986855
Is he the ultimate edgelord?
>>987140
no, that was Nietzsche. Evola was the original Supreme Gentleman though.
>>987057
Riding the tiger isn't about being as good as others, it's about comprehending the transcendent principle which links life to Being. Evola's philosophy is specifically meant for what he calls the 'differentiated man,' the person who in a superior era could have harnessed his capacities in the context of a particular Tradition in order to become a superior man.
>>987149
Like a supreme gentleman?
>>987156
I guess, if you want to be a fucking faggot and meme about these things instead of discussing them. Considering that he explicitly cites Confucian classics (among others) at various points in his work, yeah, he thinks it makes sense to use the word 'gentleman' or 'sage' to describe such a person. This is honestly not something unique to Evola, and I don't understand why people treat the process of self-cultivation so dismissively just because it's associated with radically conservative thinkers who aren't popular today.
>>987161
>I don't understand why people treat the process of self-cultivation so dismissively
Because to them everything is relative. If I improve they worsen.
A very similar attitude to the supreme gentleman himself and /r9k/.
>>987176
Unfortunately, we live in a time in which the idea of bettering oneself is offensive. To be told "You can be better than you are" in our society is to be told "You are currently not all you could be." This offends people, for some reason--they don't like the idea that they can change, that they should change, that they live in a world full of people with needs, desires, and wills not unlike their own, differing only in degree of excellence. Because Western civilization has so long linked moral goodness to the existence of and a personal belief in God, Western civilization in a time without God cannot conceive of 'excellence' except as a quality which objects and actions have performatively, not as something that humans can acquire habitually.
To be a good musician--shouldn't this be what musicians strive for? Instead, today's musicians strive for contracts and money. The modern world has done horrific things to music. Now, we do not think that good music ought to uplift the spirit--to suggest as much is to invite mockery, since you acknowledge that music can serve a higher purpose than intellectual abstraction or base enjoyment. The masses do not enjoy being reminded that they are not attaining to the highest degree of excellence. Their leaders do not even care about excellence.
What is there to do but to lift oneself up, hoping that by example others will follow? What is there to do but practice morality?
>mfw I realized Evola is just a right wing Marija Gimbutas
>>987203
>mfw I realized Slavoj Zizek is just a left wing Julius Evola
>>987197
good post
>>987197
So THAT'S why self help books sell so poorly, and so many business seminars focus explicitly on breaking down and building back up. Strange.
>>987224
A book about how to be a better person is different from a person who comes into your life and tells you that you are obligated to be a better person. Self-help books are more palatable than ministers. I'm not sure what your point about business seminars is supposed to mean. Every function of modernity involves dissolution and resolution.
>>986870
HOLY DIVER
>>987276
You've been down to long in degenera-sea!
>>987197
self improvement is one thing.
being a pretentious asshole who thinks he is above everyone else for doing it is another thing. especially when you preach a fantasy tier philosophy.
>>987234
Do we really have people that force you to start doing worse though? Sure, the school system is shit and teachers may, but I don't really see it happen at a large scale anywhere else.
>>987197
>we live in a time in which the idea of bettering oneself is offensive.
not at all true.
>To be a good musician--shouldn't this be what musicians strive for?
That is what musicians strive for, as a musician and as someone who's social circle is populated almost entirely by musicians.
>Instead, today's musicians strive for contracts and money.
Being a musician is not a well payed job. Anyone who plays music, bar the miniscule number of professional celebrities, is doing it for love of music. The need for contracts and money is because we all need a roof over our head, and is no different than any other menial job.
>we do not think that good music ought to uplift the spirit
once again, this is nonsense.
>Their leaders do not even care about excellence.
That is not government's place.
>>987362
I agree. Not sure what's fantasy-tier about Evola's philosophy, though. Are you actually familiar with him?
>>987367
I don't understand what you're saying.
>>987371
>as a musician and as someone who's social circle is populated almost entirely by musicians.
>as a musician and as someone who's social circle is populated almost entirely by musicians.
As someone else whose social circle is populated almost entirely by musicians, I have to say that I have had the opposite experience. My musical friends are more concerned with becoming famous than they are with being good musicians. I think it's simply false to say that all professional musicians do it for a love of music.
>Anyone who plays music, bar the miniscule number of professional celebrities, is doing it for love of music. The need for contracts and money is because we all need a roof over our head, and is no different than any other menial job.
It means you're prostitutes; maybe you don't want to be, but you are. So is every wage worker.
>once again, this is nonsense.
But it's true.
>That is not government's place.
People working in the government shouldn't care about doing their jobs well?
>>987384
>I have to say that I have had the opposite experience.
Fair enough. I live in Ireland so it could be a cultural difference. I still think you may be mischaracterising their desires though. The desire to "make it" as some people say is in my experience more to do with the desire to be free of "prostitution" as you put it. Nobody wants to play in a wedding band because they're stuck for cash.
>But it's true.
People are enamoured of the idea of spirituality in music. Look at the hero worship figures like Bob Marley recieve (I find his "spirituality" a but of a meme but still) I'm actually one of the exceptions to this, as I believe music's should be good before anything else. If spirituality helps music, fine, if it hinders it should be removed.
>People working in the government shouldn't care about doing their jobs well?
I misunderstood you. I thought you meant government should be telling artists how to be artistic.
>>987436
>The desire to "make it" as some people say is in my experience more to do with the desire to be free of "prostitution" as you put it. Nobody wants to play in a wedding band because they're stuck for cash.
And yet this is the state we're in today.
>People are enamoured of the idea of spirituality in music
Again, my personal experience with this has been quite different than yours. My musician friends roll their eyes when I suggest that Danny Brown's music might be soulless. They worship musicians, but this isn't because of a spiritual quality in the music itself, it's because of a cult of personality that can only form in this epoch. These people are rock musicians, but it still baffles me. I suggest that the sociological aspect of a song doesn't make the song better, and I'm told (by a talented musician) that I'm wrong to talk about quality at all, in relation to music, and that every musical experience is subjective. I don't know--I've lost faith in musicians. It very well may be a cultural thing. All the musicians I've known, except a few who were devout Christians, seem to be in it for the sake of masturbation and circle-jerking. Worship of a celebrity's persona, not of the position from which he speaks or of his material possessions or of his social standing, is what it is. Maybe rock culture has always been vapid and I'm operating off of a small sample size. I don't see any reason, however, to think that the degeneration of rock music (which itself was degenerate to begin with) is unrelated to phenomena that Evola, Spengler, Marx, Hegel, Plato, and Confucius, to name a few, point out as worth being concerned about.
you lift fucking heavy ass weights and listen to folk metal. also read a lot of books for those wisdom gains
By confusing the Ubermensch with idealist mysticism.
>>987503
But the Ubermensch is an unattainable ideal for man. He's literally something humans are to strive after. Evola suggests an alternative to this striving.
>>987508
Not really. The ubermensch is attainable, and unattainable. Evola is *fedora* tier.
>>987514
... have you even read nietzche?
>>987514
>The ubermensch is attainable, and unattainable
How so?
>>987463
>My musician friends roll their eyes when I suggest that Danny Brown's music might be soulless.
Are they rolling their eyes because they disagree with the concept of spirituality in music or because they feel that Danny Brown is not soulless and you are being unfair to him?
>It very well may be a cultural thing
I'm thinking it might. I'm pretty sick of musicians talking shite like "Music is amazing, music brings the world together, it's the purest form of communication" etc. So I definitely haven't had the same experience as you.
Are you defining degeneracy as Soullessness, shallowness or vapidness? That would help me understand this line of thinking.
I've never got a definition that didn't amount to "I don't like when people have sex with people I don't want them to".
>>987575
>Are they rolling their eyes because X or Y?
Both. My friends refuse to give heavy metal a chance because they don't like the social stigma attached to it. Everyone has artists like this, people around you like them but you don't--I recently got tired of sitting through
>I'm pretty sick of musicians talking shite like "Music is amazing, music brings the world together, it's the purest form of communication" etc. So I definitely haven't had the same experience as you.
But that shit IS degenerate. That's the essence of degeneracy, the whoring of the beautiful and its misrepresentation despite its universality.
>Are you defining degeneracy as Soullessness, shallowness or vapidness? That would help me understand this line of thinking.
>I've never got a definition that didn't amount to "I don't like when people have sex with people I don't want them to".
Maybe that's because you hear words like 'morality' and 'values' and think that someone wants you to change your way of life, hmm?
Degeneracy is what happens when people are offended by the notion of the better. I don't particularly care about who people have sex with, as long as they keep it to themselves. My biggest criticism of my contemporaries who support the LGBT movement is that they can't do this. They refuse to do it.
>>986855
Boil in spoon with cotton, take up liquid with needle, insert needle into vein, depress plunger.
ITT: People who never read Giulio Cesare Andrea Evola.
>>987140
literally nothing he said was edgy. He was a typical superior gentlemen autist if anything
doing yoga, climbing rocks and eating magic mushrooms.
Shit any white boi with a trustfund would do anyway basically.
Read fantasy novels and shitpost about women and jews online. Learning magic from /x/ guides is important too. Eating GMO free and getting /fit/ is optional (assuming you can get out of your mothers basement long enough to go to the gym and buy something that isn't hotpocks and doritos.) Celibacy is important too but I think thats a given since you read Evola and post about it on 4chan.
>>987754
Was just about to post this. Thanks for having my back, senpai.
>>987644
>My friends refuse to give heavy metal a chance because they don't like the social stigma attached to it.
Then they are intellectual cowards.
>That's the essence of degeneracy, the whoring of the beautiful and its misrepresentation despite its universality.
They're sincere when they say these things, and they are not a materialist bunch. A bit idealistic if anything. I'm the cynical one here, not them.
>>987644
>Maybe that's because you hear words like 'morality' and 'values' and think that someone wants you to change your way of life, hmm?
I view sex as pointless unless the partner is "worthy", not worthy of me, I'm trying not to be arrogant but worthy of the act itself. I don't lead a promiscuous lifestyle.
>Degeneracy is what happens when people are offended by the notion of the better.
Just to clarify, is this the definition of degeneracy or the cause that leads to it?
>My biggest criticism of my contemporaries who support the LGBT movement is that they can't do this. They refuse to do it.
They tried and it didn't work out for them. I for one wish that the beauty of the male form could be openly appreciated and discussed by men, I actually view it as a failing of mine that I am incapable of appreciating this form and am even disgusted by it, whether this failing stems from culture or biology. The true connoiseur would ideally be bisexual. I find the idea of "homosexuality" as a distinct identity to be a fabrication.
>>988245
>they are not a materialist bunch
They're all literally materialists, atheists, etc.
>is this the definition of degeneracy or the cause that leads to it?
It'svoth. Degeneracy doesn't have a particular cause. It's a consequence of the structure of societies. Nothing can last forever. Old limbs, unused, atrophy.
>>988245
>The true connoiseur would ideally be bisexual.
I honestly don't think being a connoisseur is a good thing in this case. There's no reason to imply, as you do, that appreciation of form is purely sexual. Stop thinking of degeneracy in terms of sex and start thinking in terms of form, beauty, etc.
>Buy Tiger cub
>Domesticate tiger
>Make tiger used to wearing saddle
>???
>Profit
>>986855
Alas, the age of judgement is near...Kali Yuga...so Evola was right after all...what a dark, vile destiny...
The world is truly ending...when a nice guy like me is banished to the friendzone perpetually...I must go...I've spoke too soon...see you when dusk breaks the dawn...
>>988545
I like this, anon you're a breddy funny guy
>>988545
The irony is that your average fedora autist like pic is possibly on the completely opposite side of the political spectrum compared to Evola.
>>988584
Fedora is a concept that isn't tied to any political or philosophical ideal. Fedora trancends those. You can have atheist and theist fedoras, socialist and capitalist fedoras, fascist fedoras, anarchist fedoras, MRA fedoras, feminist fedoras, any fedora under the sun. The fedora is a young, socially autistic young man who feels himself superior to others. Pseudo-intellectualism is not tied to any single ideology.
>>986987
Yes he does.
In short, "riding the tiger" is basically making yourself a man outside time. It's sticking to the values of self-betterment and tradition despite what temporal thought says about those values and making yourself the best damn Ubermensch you can. Once you've done that you're in a position to ride the tiger of modernity straight into its decline while being completely in control of yourself despite being hurled around on the back of the tiger.
God, it's almost as if half the people talking about Evola have never read more than one book by him.
Also,
>>986860
You're not doing it right. He even had a whole chapter on how drugs are no more than a crutch and how if you can't get there without them then you may as well never get there at all.
>>988776
>it's almost as if half the people talking about Evola have never read more than one book by him
welcome to /his/ enjoy your stay
>>988733
Evola is all about mooshy gooshy feelings though, he hates materialism.
>>988457
>There's no reason to imply, as you do, that appreciation of form is purely sexual.
If I implied that it wasn't my intention. There are sexual and non-sexual aspects. Men are already appreciated for fitness, etc. So I don't think anything is missing in that regard
>start thinking in terms of form, beauty, etc.
Degeneracy is nearly always used in reference to drugs and sex. This is the first I've heard it used in reference to
>>988909
>This is the first I've heard it used in reference to
No it isn't, this is the first time you've tried to understand what the word means.
The degeneration of form is visible on a cultural and a legal level. The form of Republican government comes under attack more and more often in America today. People demand a new Constitution, even though they've never read the old one and don't understand what it does. People want to vote for Bernie because he's not-Hillary, because they hate the form of the government and of the system as a whole, not because they think Bernie is a model executive. The same is true for Trump: he is a reaction against the form of conservatism that has itself been degenerate for decades. Trumpfags act like he's the candidate of Tradition. In fact, he's a symptom of degeneracy as much as the others are.
>>988945
>No it isn't
It literally is. I've asked people hundreds of times what degeneracy is and they've never given me an answer beyond /pol/ tier shit. I assume they mixed it up with decadence or something.
Also it seems you're using a different definition to above, regarding politics.
>>989004
Not really. I think this conversation is going in circles at this point. I'm not sure what you want me to say.
>>987311
Oh what's becooooooooming of meeeeeeee???
Sorry.
ITT: Dio's spirit confirmed on the Alt-Right
>>986948
You must vacate the premises immediately, Holy Diver.
>>988776
>Differentiated man
>Ubermensch
>>988837
[Citation Needed]
>>990952
This thread is for people who have read him, piss off.
>>990965
[Citation Needed]
What happened to this thread?
>>992355
>>988733
>You can have theist fedoras
No, you actually can't, you memeing fuck.
>>994351
>>994351
Yes you can. In fact christian alt-righters are the prime fedora demographic now
>>994351
Fedora only became associated with atheism because of /pol/ newfags forcing it.
Where should I start with Evola?
>>987203
Gimbutas was a renowned archeologist with some kooky ideas.
Evola was a dilettante with nothing but kooky ideas.
>>996270
Revolt against the modern world
>>988837
He is just as against sentimentalism though. He explicitly rejects any humanistic conceptions because they are so focused on sentiment as opposed to objective metaphysical structures and forces that he thinks are inherent in reality due to his neo-platonism.
>>987149
>I was born in the wrong generation: the philosophy
>>996416
>I just repost shit from other threads: the post
>>988776
>>986890
>>986947
>struggling to make yourself better
> finding opportunities in this disgusting degenerated world to better yourself.
>self-betterment
>making yourself the best damn Ubermensch you can
It's like you guys think Evola wrote self-help or something. Have you guys even read a single book by him? You guys are literally the types of plebs he did not want reading his books.
>>997638
This. And I don't even like Evola.
>>997646
why not
>>997638
>It's like you guys think Evola wrote self-help or something
Considering Evola was heavily into Buddhism and other "so exotic xDD" Oriental bullshit that's not far from truth. He's pretty much right wing hippie version.
>>998412
Too much esoteric and currynigger horseshit. I don't take non-Christian reaction seriously and never will.
>>988776
>sticking to the values of self-betterment and tradition despite what temporal thought says about those values and making yourself the best damn Ubermensch you can
>self-betterment and tradition
>Ubermensch
>>986948
kek
>>998863
name me some good reaction
>>986855
>interacting with spooks
>>999768
De Maistre.
