>Universal education was a mistake
What did he mean by this?
>>983536
Take a look over at Twitter or Tumblr sometime
Universal literacy was a mistake.
>>983536
All things universal become meaningless. If everyone is "educated", the meaning of such a thing is necessarily reduced.
>>983791
All things that exist, exist, thus existence is meaningless.
>>983536
World needs ditch diggers too, son.
--Judge Smails
>>983795
>All things that exist, exist
What about things that do not exist? Most things don't in reality.
it's roughly the same phenomena that people on /v/ for example complain over when "normies" invade video games
>>983536
Universal education, beyond basic literacy, numeracy and employment training, is just wasting the time of the average person. Those who want to learn and understand will seek out knowledge on their own, and only for those should we provide higher learning.
>>983795
Once you die thr universe is removed. I cannot prove anything exists outside of my mind. Hopefully there will be a hivemind lifeform to inherit some planet, if it hasn't already.
>>983536
Education empowers the lower classes and makes them somewhat harder to control. This especially applies in places like USA where every average redneck actually believes his uninformed thoughts and opinions are truth. The French Revolution was a mistake. No, wait...the collapse of Rome was a mistake....no, wait.....the Neolithic Revolution was a mistake.
>>983987
<Education empowers the lower classes and makes them somewhat harder to control.
College students are some of the most brainwashed people in the entire western world. Education doesn't make it harder to control people, it makes it incredibly easy to control people because you essentially have them in a fucking indoctrination camp for 18+ years where you teach them what the right ideas are and what the wrong ideas are. By the time they come stumbling out of college then these kids are so brainwashed that they're fanatically believing in whatever was taught to them.
Without education then you lose control of the lower classes and get violent riots and uprisings.
>>983795
>All things that exist, exist
What's up Parmenides? How's Magna Graecia thsi time of the year?
>>983654
This is the correct answer. That's 5 points.
Everyone else clearly hasn't read the texts and shouldn't be raising their hand. Please study harder.
>>983536
neetskee = boomers
newspapers = smartphones
Me am play gods.
>>983949
tfw dumb people think they are smart. the source of all modern problems is democracy and the fact that the poor and powerless think their opinions and feelings matter.
tl;dr the weak need to know their place in society
>>984714
Who are the weak?
>>984740
Posters on anonymous imageboards
>>984740
He means everyone aside from the rich I think.
>>984714
evola was right
>>984740
Losers are weak. The strong are those who have won and have become powerful by means of their own effort or by inheritance/chance.
Democracy is a method of distributing that power even to the weak who have not earned it. The consequence is that losers who have no idea what to with power suddenly have power and many use it merely for special interests while lacking an understanding of larger systems. This is why representative democracy exists to curb the influence of the inevitably ignorant masses. That said, the powerful may also be ignorant if they were born into status or wealth and are not raised to bear in mind the responsibilities they bear.
>>985160
Switzerland seems to do pretty well though.
stratification.
you don't let manlets in the NBA because it compromises the NBA. Suggest something parallel about cognition and you get deposed.
>>985160
What ensures meritocracy if there are no static means of redistribution of wealth or power in the system you described?
>>985215
>Needing to be college educated to get into the nba
>>985160
THE WEAK SHOULD FEAR THE STRONG
>>985259
but that's exactly how NCAA works.
Anyways I was referring to this anathema concept called aptitude that you postmodern twits will soon be hoisted by.
>>985160
There's no difference between "earning" and "method of distribution" that isn't sentimental, and if there's a right thing to do with power, it's not power, because power is either the ability to do what you want to do or else nothing.
>>985160
Fuck off memelord.
>>983536
Something about how you can't really control how your children is taught means that you're totally cucked by the government or something.
>>983791
I think you should stop your meaningless exercise in breathing and become a hero
If you take universal education off the table then not much changes except the under classes are now ignorant of the degree to which they are being exploited and duped. Not that they pay much attention or care now.
So I guess I don't really see any draw backs. Nothing changes, and it costs everybody less money.
>>985441
I have a simple question for people that think like this: do you think India is/was the ideal society that has a superiority over the West or China? Because that's essentially what you are saying with this internet tough guy crap. Caste system is ideal and has no inefficiency.
imo the opposite is true. These conservative elitist societies are often at best static to in a state of continual slow decay. It's cultural castration.
>>985394
>a hero
newfag detected
>>984007
The end to which people are educated matters. If one wants servants, one is a fool to train masters.
>>984268
>I agree with this person so they're right, but I'll also instantly jump in with some bullshit to make my opponents seem ridiculous.
This entire thread is pretty much "muh philosopher kings"
>>985441
Eh, it might actually make them more prone to uprising.
If a Leninist finds themselves amongst the masses and educating them, the lower classes may think that their education was stamped out because the Government deliberately wanted to keep them ignorant.
I think in that sense, it actually makes them more prone to violent revolutions. Its better to give them the means of education and then they squander it away. They'll have no one to blame but themselves.
>>986169
Are there any specific works that outline the problems with Philosopher Kings?
Genuinely curious, I'd love to read it.
>>986225
There have only been a few successful philosopher kings in history
Alexander the Great
Frederick the Great
Arguably Caesar
The 'kingly' elements have to be dominant. Most philosophers are not cut out to rule
Mass (or universal) education necessitates a curriculum that can be understood by everyone, which results in a lowering of standards.
This is the crux of his complaint, and it's a complaint made by many today too. Lots of people make it in the UK, where teaching has moved from private\selective systems to 'comprehensive' state education with a smattering of independent schools.
Fun britfact: private education is called 'public school' in the UK because they used to be called such (they were open to any of the public that had the money to send their children there)
>>986143
>a fool to train masters
He doesn't train masters, but servants
>>987220
How is real public education called?
>>987265
The Common Dregs State Institutions of Education
>>987265
state school
>>987265
nobody knows
Universal education was a mistake and this thread serves as proof.
>>983654
What's so bad about having the greater part of idiots literate as opposed to just having a select few idiots literate?
You would still sacrifice literacy for the many intelligent people who then would never learn how to read.
>>983536
He means that 100% exactly.
If you want a very good understanding, read Barzun's "The House of Intellect", the chapters where he discusses mass education.
Mass education has a dampening effect on the education of prime scholars. In other words, it's bad for smart people, and for dumb people it doesn't do very much.
>>987497
No. We would still need to teach them basic maths, literacy and other basic stuff. The ones who want to continue studying will naturally continue their education while the others will want to work.
>>987523
But how would those ones who want to continue studying ever reach that point without a universal education that would bring them to that point so they could choose?
>>984007
The thing is, we're always the sum of our experiences. There is no way to impart knowledge to someone without framing it in some context, which inherently is going to lead to indoctrinating someone to the specified line of thinking.
I think instead of having people come to the "right" (read: our) conclusions, we should instead look at ideology and values as a path or road. Just as concepts of philosophy fall in and out of favor, so too should our beliefs continue to evolve over time rather than stay locked to a rigid line of thought.
Also, the interesting thing I've learned about knowledge is the more you know, the more you realize you don't know. Of course, that's not really helpful, since at some point, no matter how much you know, you're going to have to settle for an opinion formed to the extent of the knowledge you had at the time.
>>983795
That's not a good objection since it's quite commonly accepted existence has no inherent meaning, no anthropomorphisms beyond human life.
>>985160
Technically, the "weak" as a group earned democracy when they took up arms and instated one. The "strong" were powerless to quell the masses, so the masses now have a say in things, no matter how poor their ideas are.
If you want to be the one calling the shots, you first have to be strong enough to take the reins.
Someone should post a tl;dr of the Untimely Meditations so this discussion is put in context.
>>987529
You teach them literacy, you teach them how to find stuff(including google), you teach them how to think critically. I would add basic maths and economy in it. And there you have it basic education until the age of 15. Let them go work by 16.
Kids shouldn't be from 8-4 in school. Let them be 4-5 hours in school. During the day they could play with their friends or their parents could register them for free in clubs to their likings or they could seek knowledge by themselves.
The ones who are smart (or their parents) read a lot and could be awarded scholarship to further educate themselves.
>>985160
The strong become the weak though, that's the power of the nature cycle. Power born through weakness is the only thing that can defy the strong's eventual fall.
>>987562
But this is still universal education.
>>987600
Yes I never said I was against it. Only that it's way overblown and we need to cut through all the unnecessary bullshit.
>>987562
When you teach people to think critically they basically all become Marxists. Which is why we try very hard to actually not do that.
>>987614
>critical thinkers become Marxists
wew lad
>>987660
>>987665
>Only fedoras arnt marxists
>>987665
You realize that Marxism is objectively a meme and absolute shit.
>>986286
Napoleon too. He was very well read.
>>987614
nice b8 m8
>>987678
>>987700
>people with critical thinking skills enjoy being classcucked by the rich
hot fucking meme there kiddo, being a socialist is absolutely the only smart choice if you're not wealthy. otherwise you objectively have no critical thinking skills and enjoy being cucked.
>>987759
>>987768
>Marxists have no one to blame but themselves but project it onto people they have never met
>>987802
this sentence literally makes no sense
>>987802
Way to not make any sense, lad, whew.
>>987802
Seems legit.
>>984714
if hitler was so right why did he lose world war 2
>>987802
You are objectively not responsible for the legal composition of society with regard to property rights.
>>983536
>those damn commoners shouldn't be able to read or they'll overthrow the aristocracy and redistribute the wealth
>>988035
Basically.
Nietzsche wasn't a nice guru like Kaufmann makes him out to be, just a mean cunt.
>>988068
buuuuuuuuut he's only doing it because unwashed peasants don't deserve nice things.
>>988091
no
>>983795
>T.S Anon "All things that exist, exist"
What did he mean by this?
>>988329
I've read a fuckload of Nietzsche. You're reading him poorly. Any edgy fedora reading of Nietzsche is probably wrong.
>>983924
If something is a thing, it exists. It is impossible for some/thing/ not to exist
>>988355
Except Nietzsche was the ultimate 'fedora'. You're probably reading him with a tonne of confirmation bias and skipping the bits you don't like, just like any religious person reading any book.
>>988433
>Except Nietzsche was the ultimate 'fedora'.
Not entirely, he was pretty fedora in some ways but also not in others.
>You're probably reading him with a tonne of confirmation bias
Nah, you are.
You know Athens was a more pure democracy than his day, right, and that he esteemed it as higher than anything in Germany?
>>988355
lol, no, get over yourself, Nietzsche is writing poorly, as in tying togrether a collection of shitty aphorisms that are more or less the type you'd find on a hs guidance counselor's wall.
>>988449
What the holy heckanora does Athens have to do with Nietzsche not being a 'fedora'? You're really reaching.
>>988467
*tips fedora*
>>988479
>One of the last books he published has 1/4 of it dedicated to the damage done by Socrates to Athenian society
>lol but Athens isn't important to his philosophy
Athens is of course important to understanding Nietzsche's sociopolitical views, he nearly cites preSocratic Greece as the best society that has ever existed. Have you read The Birth of Tragedy? Nietzsche literally starts and ends his philosophy with discussions of Athenian society.
Like, I don't even know what to say to a comment as obviously ignorant as yours.
>>987768
>people with critical thinking skills think it's okay to forego morality and basic ethics and steal from those who are more prosperous than they
wew laddie
>>988577
holy shit, an actual "rich people dindu nuffin" in the wild. read a fucking book you stupid classcuck.
>>988588
So you believe it to be ethical to forcibly remove the prosperity of others in order to raise your own quality of living?
>>988606
They're already doing it to you and will continue to do it as long as the legal framework of society allows them too. If self-preservation isn't ethical your ethics are worthless.
>>988671
The bourgeois does not benefit from beggaring the masses.
>>988671
What
>>988492
I was taking the comment that Nietzsche wasn't a 'fedora' (your lingo) as Nietzsche not being an atheist.
I don't see how these desperate, desperate attempts to dissemble or cast smears on me constitute a reasonable point.
>>988687
lol, yeah, all that competition that constantly lowers the buying price of labour (wages) is of no benefit whatsoever to the employers who pay for said labour because the profit motive doesn't exist.
Keep your suburban just world fallacy out of the dismal science if you please.
>>988759
Where does the employer get his revenue?
>>988606
That's 100% exactly how all property inequality was earned. I actually agree 100% with Marx on this. Property is ESTABLISHED through violence. It's maintained by faggots like you who insist it's wrong to do so yourselves.
>>988756
Well of course he's an atheist, but fedora doesn't mean atheist, so don't use language incorrectly.
>>986225
I guess you can read about enlightened absolutism in the annotated bibliography of the enlightenment (section on enlightened absolutism) in this link and see to the extent the idea did or did not work in reality.
http://pastebin.com/u/jonstond2
>>983536
Have you been to an American university in the past few years?
That's what mass education gets you
The humanities are dead because of mass education
>>983834
Asi lay dyimg?
>>983536
Most people learn just enough to think they're knowledgeable when they aren't and inflict their intellect on others around them.
>>986286
Don't forget Marcus Aurelius.
>>985441
>If you take universal education off the table then not much changes except the under classes are now ignorant of the degree to which they are being exploited and duped. Not that they pay much attention or care now.
But this is absolutely wrong though, because people never get educated "neutrally". Every type of education has at it's baseline some kind of perspective, which means that people are prone to become the victims of their own infatuation with ideology regardless of how educated they are on paper.
I mean, what do you think is the probability is that a Harvard graduate is a Christian Conservative?
>this board is filled with commies that don't want public schools
Dude what
>>990153
His success as a ruler is tarnished by the failures of his son.
>>990478
Because Alexander IV and Phillip III were such great rulers, right?
>>990463
Apparently you're not familiar with how teachers are part of the repressive state apparatus.
Public Schools in capitalist societies are a fucking crock, at the elementary level they don't teach you anything directly lucrative on purpose because of their moral hang ups and public universities are crawling with evil creaking Straussians and smug assed Liberal numales and their favourite feminist is Camille Paglia and not Anuradha Gandy.
We need the fuckening Red Guards back pronto to deal with this shit and get it serving the people.
>>987497
Because allowing the idiots to constitute the greater part of the literate body has crippled the English language.
Look at how basically we write compared to people only 100 years ago. It's terrible.
>>990498
Philip III was literally retarded. He did his best
>>988329
You're simply wrong.
Because educating people doesn't actually make them smart. Being smart or dumb is mostly apart from book smarts.
>>990583
Wrong about what? You think translations don't matter? In German? Seriously? Kauffman turned him into a the obsequious and simplistic wisdom writer that's in Heather's Picks for raging puberteens.
fuck outta here.
>>983536
I think it's important to educate the general population, but people don't grow their own food anymore. Everyone moves to the suburbs and gets a job doing some menial task. I'd rather be a rice farmer than a snobby aristocratic bookworm.
