>>983536 Universal education, beyond basic literacy, numeracy and employment training, is just wasting the time of the average person. Those who want to learn and understand will seek out knowledge on their own, and only for those should we provide higher learning.
>>983536 Education empowers the lower classes and makes them somewhat harder to control. This especially applies in places like USA where every average redneck actually believes his uninformed thoughts and opinions are truth. The French Revolution was a mistake. No, wait...the collapse of Rome was a mistake....no, wait.....the Neolithic Revolution was a mistake.
>>983987 <Education empowers the lower classes and makes them somewhat harder to control. College students are some of the most brainwashed people in the entire western world. Education doesn't make it harder to control people, it makes it incredibly easy to control people because you essentially have them in a fucking indoctrination camp for 18+ years where you teach them what the right ideas are and what the wrong ideas are. By the time they come stumbling out of college then these kids are so brainwashed that they're fanatically believing in whatever was taught to them.
Without education then you lose control of the lower classes and get violent riots and uprisings.
>>984740 Losers are weak. The strong are those who have won and have become powerful by means of their own effort or by inheritance/chance.
Democracy is a method of distributing that power even to the weak who have not earned it. The consequence is that losers who have no idea what to with power suddenly have power and many use it merely for special interests while lacking an understanding of larger systems. This is why representative democracy exists to curb the influence of the inevitably ignorant masses. That said, the powerful may also be ignorant if they were born into status or wealth and are not raised to bear in mind the responsibilities they bear.
>>985160 There's no difference between "earning" and "method of distribution" that isn't sentimental, and if there's a right thing to do with power, it's not power, because power is either the ability to do what you want to do or else nothing.
If you take universal education off the table then not much changes except the under classes are now ignorant of the degree to which they are being exploited and duped. Not that they pay much attention or care now.
So I guess I don't really see any draw backs. Nothing changes, and it costs everybody less money.
>>985441 I have a simple question for people that think like this: do you think India is/was the ideal society that has a superiority over the West or China? Because that's essentially what you are saying with this internet tough guy crap. Caste system is ideal and has no inefficiency.
imo the opposite is true. These conservative elitist societies are often at best static to in a state of continual slow decay. It's cultural castration.
>>985441 Eh, it might actually make them more prone to uprising.
If a Leninist finds themselves amongst the masses and educating them, the lower classes may think that their education was stamped out because the Government deliberately wanted to keep them ignorant.
I think in that sense, it actually makes them more prone to violent revolutions. Its better to give them the means of education and then they squander it away. They'll have no one to blame but themselves.
Mass (or universal) education necessitates a curriculum that can be understood by everyone, which results in a lowering of standards.
This is the crux of his complaint, and it's a complaint made by many today too. Lots of people make it in the UK, where teaching has moved from private\selective systems to 'comprehensive' state education with a smattering of independent schools.
Fun britfact: private education is called 'public school' in the UK because they used to be called such (they were open to any of the public that had the money to send their children there)
>>983654 What's so bad about having the greater part of idiots literate as opposed to just having a select few idiots literate? You would still sacrifice literacy for the many intelligent people who then would never learn how to read.
>>987497 No. We would still need to teach them basic maths, literacy and other basic stuff. The ones who want to continue studying will naturally continue their education while the others will want to work.
>>984007 The thing is, we're always the sum of our experiences. There is no way to impart knowledge to someone without framing it in some context, which inherently is going to lead to indoctrinating someone to the specified line of thinking.
I think instead of having people come to the "right" (read: our) conclusions, we should instead look at ideology and values as a path or road. Just as concepts of philosophy fall in and out of favor, so too should our beliefs continue to evolve over time rather than stay locked to a rigid line of thought.
Also, the interesting thing I've learned about knowledge is the more you know, the more you realize you don't know. Of course, that's not really helpful, since at some point, no matter how much you know, you're going to have to settle for an opinion formed to the extent of the knowledge you had at the time.
>>985160 Technically, the "weak" as a group earned democracy when they took up arms and instated one. The "strong" were powerless to quell the masses, so the masses now have a say in things, no matter how poor their ideas are.
If you want to be the one calling the shots, you first have to be strong enough to take the reins.
>>987529 You teach them literacy, you teach them how to find stuff(including google), you teach them how to think critically. I would add basic maths and economy in it. And there you have it basic education until the age of 15. Let them go work by 16.
Kids shouldn't be from 8-4 in school. Let them be 4-5 hours in school. During the day they could play with their friends or their parents could register them for free in clubs to their likings or they could seek knowledge by themselves.
The ones who are smart (or their parents) read a lot and could be awarded scholarship to further educate themselves.
>>988479 >One of the last books he published has 1/4 of it dedicated to the damage done by Socrates to Athenian society >lol but Athens isn't important to his philosophy
Athens is of course important to understanding Nietzsche's sociopolitical views, he nearly cites preSocratic Greece as the best society that has ever existed. Have you read The Birth of Tragedy? Nietzsche literally starts and ends his philosophy with discussions of Athenian society.
Like, I don't even know what to say to a comment as obviously ignorant as yours.
>>988687 lol, yeah, all that competition that constantly lowers the buying price of labour (wages) is of no benefit whatsoever to the employers who pay for said labour because the profit motive doesn't exist.
Keep your suburban just world fallacy out of the dismal science if you please.
>>988606 That's 100% exactly how all property inequality was earned. I actually agree 100% with Marx on this. Property is ESTABLISHED through violence. It's maintained by faggots like you who insist it's wrong to do so yourselves.
>>986225 I guess you can read about enlightened absolutism in the annotated bibliography of the enlightenment (section on enlightened absolutism) in this link and see to the extent the idea did or did not work in reality.
>>985441 >If you take universal education off the table then not much changes except the under classes are now ignorant of the degree to which they are being exploited and duped. Not that they pay much attention or care now.
But this is absolutely wrong though, because people never get educated "neutrally". Every type of education has at it's baseline some kind of perspective, which means that people are prone to become the victims of their own infatuation with ideology regardless of how educated they are on paper.
I mean, what do you think is the probability is that a Harvard graduate is a Christian Conservative?
>>990463 Apparently you're not familiar with how teachers are part of the repressive state apparatus.
Public Schools in capitalist societies are a fucking crock, at the elementary level they don't teach you anything directly lucrative on purpose because of their moral hang ups and public universities are crawling with evil creaking Straussians and smug assed Liberal numales and their favourite feminist is Camille Paglia and not Anuradha Gandy.
We need the fuckening Red Guards back pronto to deal with this shit and get it serving the people.
>>990583 Wrong about what? You think translations don't matter? In German? Seriously? Kauffman turned him into a the obsequious and simplistic wisdom writer that's in Heather's Picks for raging puberteens.
>>983536 I think it's important to educate the general population, but people don't grow their own food anymore. Everyone moves to the suburbs and gets a job doing some menial task. I'd rather be a rice farmer than a snobby aristocratic bookworm.
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