What does /his/ know about the Barbary pirates?
>>974570
A bunch of Beys and Emirs who nominally were under the Ottomen but largely did their own thing.
Also they weren't "pirates." That's Euro-talk. They were actual state entities. You know how it was fair game for cunts to raid Africans and get some of them as slaves? Berber States applied that to Europeans as well
Frankly, Renaissance and Enlightenment Mediterranean piracy would make for a pretty sick setting for a game like Sid Meier's Pirates!
>>974570
Recently learned a couple of them were Dutch...
>>974786
One was a Jew, some others Greeks and Italians, and a few were French and English.
>>975010
So i suppose an army besieging a castle should be called "robbery, forced entry, murder?"
>>974589
You can't count them as corsairs because they didn't limit their activity to countries in war with their own and they didn't follow the laws concerning treatment of prisoners.
They were pirates, deal with it.
>>974570
That they're fucking cancer with their popup spam
>>974589
>They were actual state entities.
No they weren't. They were private entities which were at times backed by state officials (including rulers and viziers, but as private individuals) on a share-of-loot basis.
>>974570
all I know is that they got #rekt by Stephen Decatur
>>974589
t. Turkroach
>>975044
More like a sandnigger. Why would a turk defend ever rebelling barbary scum who preyed on the ottoman merchant navy too?
>>975032
>Bringing marxism into this
/pol/
>>975062
>>>/pol/
>>974570
Muslim scum.
>>975077
>>>/pol/
absolutely based, buttfucked the europeans so hard in the mediterannean they circled around the whole world just to get away them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayreddin_Barbarossa
>>975102
>>>/pol/
>>974589
t. Mohamidian
>>975032
This
>>975017
>pirates can't be affiliated with the state
What is a letter of marque.
>>975129
Privateerism. Not piracy. It's an act of fucking war.
Might as well call mercenaries "state funded bandits."
>>974589
In the interests of actual discussion, the Barbary pirates are analogous to the term Viking when referring to the early Medieval Scandinavians. Some were indeed private citizens of North Africa who formed a corporate enterprise with local sailors, merchants, and mercenaries to launch piratical expeditions across the Mediterranean shipping lanes. Others were state and military bureaucrats and officers who attacked shipping and civilians as an official military campaign for wealth, land, or prestige. Still others were middle class merchants and traders who made their profits trading in stolen goods brought in through pirates, or through investment on constructing and insuring new ships, or who just happened upon a rival merchant in open water and decided to aggressively negotiate a hostile takeover of their cargo.
Several European fleets and corporate groups on the northern shores of the Mediterranean do also count as pirates in the exact same way, from the Anglo-Dutch captains running the Gibraltar blockades to the Florentine and Marseilles merchant marines stalking the Ligurian Sea to the Uskoks of the Adriatic and the Knights of Rhodes/Malta of the Eastern Mediterranean.
isn't this why the states have a navy because europe couldn't be arsed to prevent this themselves
>>975142
So privateers are pirates employed by the state you mean?
Did their past as a pirate simply disappear (ignoring the pardon the LOM gave you)?
Did every single one stay in service as a privateer? Did every single one even stop raiding friendly ships?
>>975142
>Might as well call mercenaries "state funded bandits."
Why do you think why mercenaries are prohibited by Geneva convention? And what was the reason why mercenaries were so hated during Thirty Years' War?
Only a few Barbary pirates would have been corsairs/privateers to begin with. Most were just privately wealthy individuals and their crew gathered from out-of-work sailors and longshoremen or off-season farm laborers who either paid a hefty loot tax to the local military governor or tribal chief or was an open rebel to all authority but their own.
>>975173
>numerous privateers have been tried for piracy
That's because privateers had to keep to naval military law regarding seizure of ships and treatment of prisoners. Most buccaneers couldn't give less of a shit about that, and the same goes for the barbary fucks.
>>974570
They were /fa/ sea dogs.
>>975234
That just says that it's hard to know whether a guy was a pirate or a privateer. It doesn't say that there's no difference between the two.
>>975181
Not him, but:
>So privateers are pirates employed by the state you mean?
Privateers are ships privately fitted out whose owner has a letter of marque. Privacy has nothing to do with it.
A letter of marque is a commission empowering a ship master to act as a national ship against entities specified in the letter.
>Did their past as a pirate simply disappear (ignoring the pardon the LOM gave you)?
If they weren't pardoned, they'd be criminals, and as such they'd obviously get apprehended by the authorities rather than given a letter of marque.
>Did every single one stay in service as a privateer?
If you mean, do they go pirate after the war is over and the letter expires? Yes, it happened. That made them pirates tho, and they were treated as such.
>Did every single one even stop raiding friendly ships?
Not much point in buying a letter if you just void by breaking its terms. Sure, there were some who kept raiding friendlies, but if they were found it was the gallows for them, same as any other pirate.
>>975103
Yeah but 'Murica stepped up to the plate. C'mon Europe do we have to do everything.
>>975103
>>975469
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Barbary_War
Murica
>>974570
/his/ doesn't think about them, because /his/ is full of SJW faggots in denial that whites were enslaved by non-whites.
>>975503
>Said 45 posts later
>>975490
>>975469
The Americans didn't do anything but do the exact same thing the Europeans had already done before them - pay off or install a friendly bey to guide all piracy away from their own ships and onto others. It was just novel for them since they had relied on the British navy and its diplomats to negotiate for American shipping until the Revolution.
It was the French starting int he 19th century who did something different for once: outright imperial conquest.
>>975503
Considering how many of the prolific pirates were themselves white, it was a fairly multi-ethnic operation where everyone enslaved everyone else, with the only driver of the slaving industry being supply and demand for both Christian and Muslim pirates.
>>975550
Well technically the iberians started that by taking Ceuta and Melilla, even tho they didn't continue with conquest.
>>975102
Sure buy why the fuck should I care
>>975572
Yes, they tried to invade Morocco, dominate the hinterland through these ports, give more distant frontiers like Tripoli to the Knights of Malta, or puppet the Sultans of Tunis. It failed however, and not just because of the Ottomans.
>>975550
Look up the second Barbary war the U.S. BTFO them pretty hard.
>>975588
Which is a common trait for Christianity and Judaism as well, and why Muslims, Jews, and sometimes Orthodox Christians were raided and enslaved by Christian Mediterranean states and cities.
>>975598
BTFOing them was easy. The problem was that unless you outright denied them the ports, they weren't gonna stop. Successful punitive expeditions toward the pirates were literally everyday stuff.
Venice for example easily rekt the whole tunisian coast as late as the 1780s, and they were basically military lightweights by then.
>>975660
>Muslims yes, Orthodox Christians no
The entire Genoan/Venetian Black Sea slave trade was run on selling Orthodox Christians bought from the Tartars or taken in raids by the remnants of the Latin Empire not just to the Middle East but Italy and France as well.
>>974570
They didn't rock as much style as other pirates
>>976047
I'm not debating who was important or interesting, just that 18th century style can't be beat, especially on the high seas
I took an undergrad course in Ottoman history and the one time the professor (from Turkey) mentioned the Barbary pirates was to talk about how gay they were. Whenever there was a moral panic regarding homosexuality in the empire, male prostitutes (and their patrons) would be rounded up and discretely exiled to the Barbary states because they were apparently cool with it there and the Ottomans didn't want to execute them.
>>976135
>>>/lgbt/
kill yourself faggot
