>How do you want your empire?
>Just Fruity Pebble my shit up.
>HOLY
>>969324
what does the tiny map in the top left mean? previous duchies that fractured due to retarded inheritance decisions?
>EMPIRE
>>969344
I think so.
>>969344
Possessions of the Guelph (Welfe) Family.
>your empire
Finally a new book on HRE came out what starts with Charlemane, not in 16th century like others. This is the same guy who wrote Europe's Tragedy about 30YW.
>neither Holy
>nor Roman
>nor an Empire
>>969387
Thank you, the 30 YW one was good.
>>969364
>welf
>1250
Shouldn't that just be Brunswick?
Henry the Lion lost Bavaria to the Wittlesbach decades before that.
>>969432
It's waht it says on the map.
"Die Welfendlande zur Zeit Heinrich der Löwe."
(The Guelph lands during the time of Henry the Lion)
>Mundane German Confederacy
>>969450
I can't actually see 1250 anywhere aside from the filename. Makes sense considering that in 1250 Venice should have other land too
>Satanic
>Hunnic
>Anarchy
>>969387
Charlemagne wasnt a Holy Roman Emperor, he was a Frankish Emperor
It's insulting for him to link his person with that failure that was the HRE
The HRE started with Otto I, long after Charlemagne's death, and became a shithole because it lacked the people that made the Frankish Empire great (the French)
>>969387
Minor claim to fame, I was good friends with this professor when I was at university, amazing teacher, inspired me to go study the Siege of Vienna and Hapsburg history in depth.
>>969607
Charlemagne predates the formation of a French national identity by a good 200 years.
>>969647
That's why I said he was Frankish, not French (or German)
>>969607
This germanophobia is becoming really annoying. Is this your only answer to /pol/?
>>969667
It's just a bunch of French tremendously butthurt towards Germs and Anglos.
Spillover Frogs from /int/ """banter"""
>>969667
t. Hun
>>969607
Yeah, but HRE was a direct continuation of Frankish Empire and born out of it, so it's only logical to start with Charlemagne. He conquered the core regions of HRE and integrated them into a single entity.
>>969696
>but HRE was a direct continuation of Frankish Empire
Nope, it was an indirect one
Just like France
>>969667
Too many French sympathisers on this board. This is where all the shitposting about HRE and Eternal Anglo comes from.
>>969710
Why though? They could try to make a own thread about French history for once.
>>969710
The Eternal Anglo meme is spouted by Germans mainly
You'd know it if you browsed /pol/ and /int/
>>969607
>Charlemagne wasnt a Holy Roman Emperor, he was a Frankish Emperor
Charlemagne was crowned Venerable Emperor of the Romans (Augustus Imperator Romanorum) by the pope in 800.
Otto was crowned Venerable Emperor of the Romans (Augustus Imperator Romanorum) by the pope in 961.
"Frankish Emperor wasn't a title, but an insult from the emperors in Constantinople to delegitimize Charlemagne and his heirs.
"Holy Roman Emperor" (Sacrum Imperator Romanorum) was firstly used by Emperor Frederick I (1136-1191), 200 years after Otto's coronation and the name "Holy Roman Empire" only got popular by late 12th century.
>>969750
Because they can only meme and according to french anons history classes are a joke there
>>969702
Yes, this is why you should start a history of high medieval French Kingdom with Charlemane too.
>>970654
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Great buildings fritz, that doesn't make you an empire.
>>970871
Not all empires are based on sucking the wealth out of colonies or planting a British flag on already-owned land, Tommy.
>>969765
It was created by a Turkroach in Germany. Come on everyone knows this.
>leftists claim to love diversity
>hate the most diverse political entity that ever existed
Hypocrites.
Also
>holy roman empire, based on tradition and divine law
>last a thousand years
>jacobin france, based on reason and the rights of man
>last a few months
Beautiful. Just beautiful. Perfect recipe for a multi factional war between 2-4 big dynasties
Should write the alt history right now
>Holy Roman Empire
>holy
>roman
>empire
>demoniac
>teutonic
>entanglement
____
_____
______
>>969387
>tfwywn hunt stags on horseback with swords
By European standards, it can be totally considered an empire until the the late 15th empire. Back then it was the most populous and largest realm in Europe. The discovery of the Americas was a game changer though.
It really does look like Fruity pebbles.
>>970959
Nowhere, it's pretty new.
>>970922
For the most part the conflicts were in legal courts, only occasionally bubbling into limited wars. It was only with the Thirty Years War that things became horribly bad.
That's for Germany at least, Italy had the Guelphs and Ghibellines.
>>971403
>Great Saxon Rebellion
>Otto of Saxony vs Philip of Swabia
etc.
>>969667
t. Fritz
>>969324
YOIR NEHW EMPIEYA?
>>969775
>>969710
>>969675
>>969667
Nazis get out. Such un-Charlie attitude will not be tolerated. Remember 1941 and apologize. This thread is now monitored by the French government.
we wuz the roman empire n shiet
>>973116
Im new to this place and these memes are astounding
come on
>>969324
>Tfw you'll never be a loyalist noble serving your emperor loyally and promoting centralization in the realm.
>>973400
>implying
Your lands will be taxed and your tenants who you have an oath to will be constantly conscripted to fight in dynastic wars irrelevant to them instead of staying on their land and tilling enough so that you can all have more of a keep.
>>969324
sick of that Holy Roman empire was all stupid and so on Voltaire-meme shit.
It is often forgotten, that the HRE was able to unify whole middle europe, although there were spoken many different languages and lived many different cultures. The HRE was additionally able to stay quite stable for about 1000 years, also after events like thirty years war or Reformation even though its inhabitants and rulers were deeply divided by religion and culture.
