Maya general thread. What does /his/ know about this Mesoamerican civilization?
>>955267
We all gon' die
>>955298
I was disappointed before seeing the trailers I thought this may have been related to them.
>>955267
Their vase painting is my favourite
>>955325
Some erotic art. One of their most popular memes was having a young woman (usually busty too) getting fondled by an old man god and animals like deer, rabbit, mosquitos etc.
>>955339
forgot pic
Can someone give me the basic run down of the Maya I know a qt3.14 with the same name and I think I could bring it up in convo
Wish more wooden works had remained
>>955596
Too much human sacrifice not enough innovation but they really are remarkable since everything they did was from scratch where as everyone in the Old World copied Sumeria or Egypt or Shang Dynasty.
Why is Central America such a shithole if the only civilized native amerians lived there?
>>955267
I knew this gigantic bitch that said she was Mayan (parents come from Guatemala). Glad the Spainards tore their asses asunder.
>>955882
CA is a shithole precisely because civilized native americans lived there, people who followed a central authority and who could be subject to a harsh exercise of authority, institutions like the encomienda, the mita and the resguardo were created for the sole purpose of working the natives to death while taking away any wealth or education they could archive, so when shit hit the fan (independence, industrial revolution) illiterate and exploited natives become a burden for political and economic development.
>>955936
Guatemalan here
Can confirm that most of our women are fat
>>955882
Didn't the Aztecs also offer human sacrifices?
>>955882 Central americas contemporary problems are linked mostly to the 20th century. In the precolumbian period, it was a myriad of kingdoms, city-states, and as you go southward outside Mesoamerica warring tribes. During the Spanish colonial period, some of these áreas remained semi-autonomous or were considered wilderness. Some were under direct colonial rule. The problem with the colonial period is that it didn't change much the previous systems only, that it replaced native rulers with spaniards. And during that period it was basically a racial caste system, that demanded tribute payments from communities, and natives were basically treated like serfs on spanish plantations (encomiendas). The native elites were more like supervisors or managers of the commoners but they're titles meant little as they still had to answer to the bidding of the spaniards. And the fight over titles and claiming descendency over some royal family was often sent to the King of Spain in letters petitioning they're status to be recognized.
In many ways the system of the Spanish colonial period did not change in the indepenence as many natives still remained disproportionately poor and uneducated. Exploitation continued under the criollo and ladino peoples in many plantations. During the 20th century fruit companies pulled US interest to intervene in these regions, supporting despotic dictators, and as recent as 2009 supported the military coup of Honduras' democratically elected president throwing the country in continued violence. These interventions got worst in the cold war and the problems are overall corruption. But even in the 20th century my mom said she grew up in El Salvador in the 60s and said the country was safe back then. Education was excellent. One could walk down the road at night and not be assaulted. Now, that's suicide with all the gang shit.
>>956135
tl;dr it's complicated, but mostly corruption and lots of it and any time any progress attempts were made they were stamped out.
>>956229
>>955870
looks chinese
>>955968
do you consider mayas your ancestors?
>>956241
>>956264
Same scene in a mural several centuries painted before in San Bartolo.
>>956270
One of the few actual Maya frescoes from Chilonche
>>956304
Captured warrior
>>956333
female figure
>>956639
Maya
>>956670
Who /learningamayanlanguage/ here? Or am I alone?
>>956674
Artist rendering of same scene.
>>956681
which one?
>>956699
K'iche'.
>>956715
I don't speak K'iche but know a couple speakers.
>>956739
Based Calakmul, the Kan (Serpent) Kingdom.
>>956746
Fuck, I thought El Mirador was the Kan kingdom.
Does anybody know what is he doing?
I know somewhat about them, considering I was obsessed with their history when I was younger, particularly their mythology.
They were primitive people who received their knowledge from Atlantean survivors known as the White Gods
>>955596
"Hey Anon! How's it going? :)"
>Hi Maya! Did you know that you share your name with an ancient mesoamerican culture that practiced human sacrifice and who's power and prestige slowly collapsed before the 10th century and no one really knows why?
"Uhhh... okay? I'm sorry, I'm late for class now..."
That's not how you win qts, friend.
>>958323
You never know, I sometimes do this thing were I rapidly explain scientific feats very quickly for example we were ironing clothes a few years ago with some friends(lolwut inb4 get out) and I explained why using hard water would result in stains appearing in our clothes
"Damnit Anon why do these stains keep coming up!?!"
>Due to heat and temperature the tap water in the iron evaporates into steam while the minerals such as calcium, chloride, sodium, sulfur and fluoride don't evaporate but instead appear as a powder
If you do this very fast then normies think you're really fuqqing smart and shit, if I do try it with that girl she'll most likely take it as a joke
>>956135
Salvadoran here.
>But even in the 20th century my mom said she grew up in El Salvador in the 60s and said the country was safe back then. Education was excellent. One could walk down the road at night and not be assaulted. Now, that's suicide with all the gang shit.
Funny, my mom (born in the late 60s) says the same almost word for word.
To expand a little on your answer:
The US sponsored coup d'etats of democratically elected presidents with democratic socialist tendencies in pretty much every Central American country, leaving in power military dictatorships that were basically puppets of the agrarian oligarchy.
The resulting economic disparity went on for most of the 20th century before blowing up around the 70s and 80s (different times for different countries) in violent civil wars that further polarized most of the countries.
From here on I can only talk about El Salvador, but children of salvadoran refugees from the civil war that ended up in LA got into gang trouble and crime and were soon deported back here. The country didn't have the infrastructure to handle that many criminals (the old military police had been disbanded, and the new national civilian police had just been created as a result of the peace agreements), so they were mostly left free. So they basically moved the gangs this way and they started to grow, arming themselves with all the weaponry a decade-long conflict had left in the country and drawing attention of the poorest echelons of a still very disparate society.
These days, those gangs pretty much have their own territories that they run outside of the law, and recent attempts from the authorities to try to remedy the situation have pretty much started a war between gang members and the police (it honestly reminds me of Gotham city during the events of TDK).
The problem is not very easily solved, especially when you consider the level of corruption displayed by both main political parties when they hold power.
(cont.)
>>958594
I want to note that the main political parties are the remnants of (two of) the sides of the civil war: the party founded by members of the US backed military dictatorship and the party formed by USSR backed ex-guerilla communist fighters. The usually forgotten third side of the war (the attempted civilian government) had both center left wing and center right wing parties, but both fell into obscurity due to the high polarization of the country.
All that said, however, I want to make one thing clear: while walking alone on the streets and/or showing valuables is definitely not recommended, you're actually unlikely to get killed unless you resist being robbed (and chances are that you will get robbed, usually for your phone). The people who are feeling all of the brunt of the violence are the people from poor communities who live in gang-controlled territory, whose kids are forced to either join the gangs (and thus risk getting killed by rival gangs or the police, not to mention becoming criminals themselves) or get killed. Even if you or your family haven't joined any gang, petty stuff like
-walking into a gang's turf when you live in the rival gang's one
-entering a gang's turf for your job without paying "rent"
-looking like an easy target while living in their turf
will get you killed, because they're eager to show their power and impunity.
By contrast, living in mid-class zones you only have to worry about random muggers, while living in rich areas (like, say, the area close to the American Embassy) you're pretty much completely safe .
WHO /PENIS STABBING/ HERE?
>>955882
The fuck bullshit definition of civilization are you operating on? The Shoshone, the Confederacies of the Great Plains, manipulation of resources on par with Babylon while Europe was wiping its ass with its hands and getting the Black Plague?
Dumb ass kids equating western civility with their ass toothed royalty and native civility with cartoons.
>>956017
Consider for a moment that all theocracies have some equivalent to human sacrifices. Christians just called it witch burnings and set people on fire in a public square.
>>958592
Godspeed you autistic anon, I hope you will some day see the error of your ways
Did natives receive an education during the colonial period
>>958666
I really don't think witch burnings were akin to human sacrifices
If we look at human sacrifices, they were designed to please the gods, by offering them particular members of the community. Brave warriors for the south americans, babies for the baal cult, Abraham's own son, a young and beautiful woman for the greeks and romans (Andromeda, Iphigenia, Vestal virgins when they fucked up). While the Bible states that human sacrifices aren't to be done, the sacrifice of Cain and Abel show that all sacrifices should be something worthy to give
Witch burnings weren't here to please God, they were meant to keep the peace. You couldn't even just burn heretics, you could only do it to relaps heretics (who asked for the forgiveness of the church, but continued to sin nonetheless). They differ vastly from the idea to give the best thing your community has to offer to your divinity
>>958967
Some did. Only a few were taught to read abd write by the friars. Women to my knowledge were barred at least from higher education. Which differs from the precolumbian period where you have both male and female scribes.
What I know about the Mayas is
>they died out because they were retards who didnt know shit about resources management
>there are more Mayas and Mayas sites in México than in Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador and they get butthurt when Mexicans capitalize on this because the Maya stuff is the only think they have to attract people
>>958967
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_Burgos
>9: Whoever has fifty Indians must choose one boy who the encomendero thinks is able, to be taught to read and write, and also the importance of Catholicism. This boy will then teach the other Indians because the Indians would more readily accept what the boy says than what the Spaniards says. If the encomendero has one hundred Indians, two boys shall be chosen. The faith must be ingrained into their heads so the souls of the Indians are saved.
>17: Sons of the chiefs of the Islands who are under the age of thirteen are to be given to the Friars so they can be taught how to read, write, and other things about Catholicism. When the sons reach the age of nineteen, they are to return to the encomienda and teach the others.
And perhaps the most striking:
>4: After two years of service, the Indians are free to go. By this time they will be civilized and proper Christians, able to govern themselves.
Our civilization mission started then and hasn't stopped since.
>>960279
They didn't die out, there's millions of Mayas today.
>>960424
They already had their own civilization, so they were civilized by their own standards. Being Christian is a moot point, they can be polytheists, atheists, whatever, it doesn't make one civilized.
As a curious note some Mayas in Chiapas are turning to Islam
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5PpD9JqCsc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzlMtN-KOyQ
>>958808
I actually was given a nickname for doing stuff like that, I was called "Wiki" cos everyone though I browsed Wikipedia
I'm sure she'll like it
>>960502
Fuck this shit.
Ahmadijas are sneaky fucks, we got their communities here too in europe, convert aggressivly and are always eager to widen their influence and collaborate with leftist politicians in order to get more mosques build.
And there I thought in south america this cancer would not fester.
>>960502
>They already had their own civilization, so they were civilized by their own standards.
It was a rather sarcastic statement of mine indicating the west has been "civilizing" barbarians since 1500.
>>958592
Anon...
Please... No...
What do you think this Maya bowl was used for? Pulque? Which would be interesting as it was an milky looking alcoholic beverage.
>>961444
Could've been used as a dildo or a drinking tool.
What book would you recommend regarding their architecture?
bump
>>960618
Are they stupid people?
>>955882
Costarican here, shit is neat in this country nigga.
>>955968
also ugly
>>960516
Sure she will, anon, sure she will...
>>963655
Maya art and Architecture by Mary Miller, a 2015 edition was just released.
and An Album of Maya Architecture by Tatiana Proskuriakova
pic related is from Tatiana's book
>>956715
Native Speaker here. My family is part of the 80's diaspora.
I can teach you but only if you are a cute white boy and are a local to OC, Cali. I got white fever from my dad.
I'll show you not all Mayans are short, in more ways than one.
>>955343
High test society
>>958592
I feel compelled to point out here that you seem to be ignoring a more direct way to find out the importance of someone's name as it relates to culture and history: asking them.
I tend to do that rapid science/historical fact/explanation of phenomenon thing too (I've heard it described as "telling someone how to build a watch when they ask you the time"), and I've found that it tends to correlate positively with people who have histories of social awkwardness and various levels of ostracism from society (not to pigeonhole you, anon; this is merely a statement of personal statistical analysis of discourse patterns as they relate to historical interaction).
This being said, if you would like to know more about this qt22/7 (I'm trying to be purely rational here), you may consider trying the following line: "So, like, what does your name mean?" Then, you listen patiently and with actual interest to her answer, noting what she finds important, and provide follow up questions about things she finds important, ignoring for a moment that you want to fuck her and focusing instead on the fact that she is a person with a family, a history, emotions and feelings, and experiences probably similar to your own. I would even encourage you to share these common experiences and intersections with your own observations with her during your conversation.
In my experience, this is probably the best, most solid approach to attracting women.
>>965650
La utz awach? I'm a white guy but I'm not sure how cute I am desu. Also I live nowhere near California.
>>965650
What part of California?
>>964852
Well Costa Rica and Panama are like the only safe central american countries. Nicaragua too but its much poorer than the other two countries.
>>965535
I'm going to have a great time with this, thanks m8
Maya lord and lady.
>>968955
Brief overview of the history of the Maya regions
