Daily reminder that Russia was founded by a Finnish man.
>Rurik was a Finnic Kven, i.e. he was "Finnish", in similar way an average Savonian, Tavastian or a member of some other Finnish tribe is Finnish. Rurik was the founder of the early stage of what gradually became Russia, and his descendants ruled what today is known as "Russia" well beyond the Middle Ages.
>The results of the Rurikid DNA study referred to below are not surprising, considering that other DNA studies and other evidence point to Finnic people having inhabited the modern area of Sweden for thousands of years, including the modern-day area of Southern Sweden:
>• "The hunter-gatherers show the greatest similarity to the modern-day Finns", says Pontus Skoglund, an evolutionary geneticist at Uppsala University in Sweden, about ancient skeletal remains excavated in Gotland: http://gotland.3000.BC.kvenland.org
>This DNA study is consistent with Roslagen in the northeastern corner of Uppland, a suggested birthplace of Rurik, having represented the southern border region of the land inhabited by Finno-Ugric people at the time of Rurik's birth.
>The DNA study also supports the view that Rurik descended from the Finnish-Kven royal ancestry introduced in many medieval accounts, similarly to many other members of the Scandinavian-Fennoscandian royal Yngling Dynasty, a.k.a. the Fairhair Dynasty.
>>1115279
That explains why He looks asian despite officially being "Nordic"
>>1115279
Daily reminder that Norway was founded by a Finnish man too.
>It is stated in Norse sources that Nór was the founder of Norway, from whom the land supposedly got its name.
>Parallel but not quite identical accounts of Nór the eponym of Norway appear in “Fundinn Nóregr” (‘Norway Found’), hereafter called F, which begins the Orkneyinga saga, and in Hversu Noregr byggðist (‘How Norway was Settled’), hereafter called B, both found in the Flatey Book.
>Both accounts state that great sacrifice was made yearly at mid-winter, either offered by Thorri (F) or offered by the Kvens to Thorri (B), whence was derived both the name of the mid-winter sacrifice and the name of the winter month Thorri corresponding to late January and early February in the Roman calendar.
>Thorri was father of two sons named Nór and Gór (Górr) and a daughter named Gói ('thin snow, track-snow').
>One year, at the time of Thorri's Sacrifice, Gói the daughter of King Thorri suddenly vanished. Thorri held a second feast the following month hoping to learn what had become of Gói. That sacrifice was afterward also observed regularly and known as Gói's Sacrifice and the name of the month was thence named Gói.
>When Gói was still not found after three years, her brothers Nór and Gór set out separately in search of her with many folk in their following, Nór and his folk going by land on skis while Gór went by ship and searched the islands and skerries.
>Eventually Nór and his following came to the Kjölen Mountains and passed into was later to be called Norway, defeating any who opposed him. F relates in particular that Nór defeated the folk around what as later called the Trondheimsfjord, that Nór also took possession of the eastern lands near Lake Mjors, then slew King Sokni, the eponym of Sokna Dale and Sognefjörd and took possession of his kingdom. But B mentions instead the defeat of four kings named Véi, Vei, Hunding, and Heming.
>>1115508
>Both accounts relate that Gór eventually joined Nór and the two brothers made an agreement that Nór would rule all the mainland but Gór would rule all islands around the mainland, that he would be lord over any island that was separated from the mainland by a channel through which a ship with a fixed rudder was able to pass. The mainland was then named Norway (Noregr) after Nór. Nór's new kingdom is now said to have been what is south-eastern Norway today, as it extended from Jötunheim mountains in the north to what was later known as Álfheim (roughly the modern Swedish Bohuslän) in the south, the southern border of Nór's land being what is now the Glomma river whose southwestern course is not very far inside the southeastern border of modern Norway.
>The sons and grandsons and later descendants of Nór continually divided their inheritances among themselves so that Norway became filled with many small kingdoms and lordships.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%B3r
>>1115512
>The Orkneyinga saga contains a realistic description of Nór traveling from Kvenland to Norway. Based on the saga's internal chronologies, this would have happened around the 6th or 7th century CE, but the dating is very insecure. Locations of Kvenland, Finland and Gotland are given rather exactly:
>"to the east of the gulf that lies across from the White Sea (Gandvík); we call that the Gulf of Bothnia (Helsingjabotn)."
>This is how Nór started his journey to Norway:
>But Nor, his brother, waited until snow lay on the moors so he could travel on snow-shoes. He went out from Kvenland and skirted the Gulf, and came to that place inhabited by the men called Sami (Lapps); that is beyond Finnmark.
>Having traveled for a while, Nór was still "beyond Finnmark." After a brief fight with Sami people (Lapps), Nór continued:
>But Nor went thence westward to the Kjolen Mountains and for a long time they knew nothing of men, but shot beasts and birds to feed to themselves, until they came to a place where the rivers flowed west of the mountains. — Then he went up along the valleys that run south of the fjord. That fjord is now called Trondheim.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kvenland
>>1115521
Let´s not forget that The New World was discovered and colonised by finns too.
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>>1115279
There was no Finland retard
Modern finns are descended from eurasian nomads who started settling in the Rus are and went further west
>>1117036
WUZ
All ancient European nations were founded by Finns, the remnants of a once-mighty empire.
The Finns were too autistic at that point to maintain social cohesion, though.
>>1117539
KANGZ
>>1115279
>>1115508
>>1115512
>>1115521
>"In wonderful savageness live the nation of the Fenni, and in beastly poverty, destitute of arms, of horses, and of homes; their food, the common herbs; their apparel, skins; their bed, the earth; their only hope in their arrows, which for want of iron they point with bones. Their common support they have from the chase, women as well as men; for with these the former wander up and down, and crave a portion of the prey. Nor other shelter have they even for their babes, against the violence of tempests and ravening beasts, than to cover them with the branches of trees twisted together; this a reception for the old men, and hither resort the young. Such a condition they judge more happy than the painful occupation of cultivating the ground, than the labour of rearing houses, than the agitations of hope and fear attending the defense of their own property or the seizing that of others. Secure against the designs of men, secure against the malignity of the Gods, they have accomplished a thing of infinite difficulty; that to them nothing remains even to be wished."
>This description is of a lifestyle much more primitive than that of the medieval Sami, who were pastoralists living off herds of reindeer and inhabiting sophisticated tents of deer-hide. But the archaeological evidence suggests that the proto-Sami and Proto-Finns had a lifestyle more akin to Tacitus' description
I know what you're trying to do here but creating Russia was not a good thing. If anything it's pretty shameful.
>>1119006
>>1119102
Get gassed, Grzegorz.
>>1115279
More realistically Rurik was descended from the Mälaren axe culture who invaded Central Sweden from the the east around the beginning of the 1st millenium BC. Presumably their language was something akin to either Baltic-Finnic languages or Saami. These conquerors went on to assimilate in to the welcoming and nascent Germanic culture quickly.
>>1115279
bump
Just a reminder that every important Finnish city haven't been founded by Finns and every really important Finn outside of Politics haven't been a Finn.
That Finland wasn't even close to existing as a kingdom and lacked any real states while the Scandis and Russians were both pretty united in bigger more advanced states.
>>1119182
You only prove him right.
But seriously, WHY are Russians and Ukrainians so violent compared to Czechs, Slovaks and Poles?
>>1119102
>subhumans and violent apes
How the fuck were they? Kevian Rus was one of the most influential states in the early middle ages, ruled by Russians, Belorussians, and Ukrainians. Meanwhile, other Slavs were under the heel of the Byzantines or Germans.
>>1121378
Because the Russians are robbers while the Poles are Thieves-
>>1121396
More like Russians are murderers.
>>1121386
>independence is the hallmark of being civilized
(You)
>>1115279
So ancient finns are real?
>>1121411
Before Sweded hijack this thread by posting their revisionist history i'm gonna say this to you:
No, obviously ancient finns thing is a meme. But the intertwining of nordic sagas with Finland and finnish mythos is interesting imo. It would be quite interesting to know how these relations were established. There's also funny stuff like Denmark appearing because a Finnish giant threw dirt at a boy
>>1121433
Isn't it plausible that they were simply crated through a relatively big amount of trade between the two cultures?
>>1121445
Probably, but it's still quite odd since Finnish and Norse tradition at that point was mainly oral and we don't know the extent of the trade.
"The finnish wars" are claimed to have happened in thr 4th century. They didm't really happen but they could be indication of some small interactions turning into mythos
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_Finnish_wars
>>1121497
Maybe it was a part of some big population movement, the Finns or Swedes trying to immigrate into the other one's land?
The wars do seem to happen at the same time as the same things began to happen down at the continent.
T.Armchair Historian
>>1121433
>No, obviously ancient finns thing is a meme.
Saga information as well as accounts from Al-Idrisi to Catherine the Great attest to the contrary.
>>1121527
Does the map prove anything or is it just there because it looks good?
>>1121370
You should've read OP's post before making yourself look like a moron.
>>1121535
Read OP's post.
>This DNA study is consistent with Roslagen in the northeastern corner of Uppland, a suggested birthplace of Rurik, having represented the southern border region of the land inhabited by Finno-Ugric people at the time of Rurik's birth.
>The DNA study also supports the view that Rurik descended from the Finnish-Kven royal ancestry introduced in many medieval accounts, similarly to many other members of the Scandinavian-Fennoscandian royal Yngling Dynasty, a.k.a. the Fairhair Dynasty.
Also in the sagas the ruler of Finland is firsthand mentioned as the ruler of Gotland, and it just so happens that
>• "The hunter-gatherers show the greatest similarity to the modern-day Finns", says Pontus Skoglund, an evolutionary geneticist at Uppsala University in Sweden, about ancient skeletal remains excavated in Gotland: http://gotland.3000.BC.kvenland.org
>mfw finland was literally invented by naturalised swedes living in the eastern hinterland.
>>1121548
Literally nothing wrong in that post though.
>>1121603
There is, though. Just your typical Svecoman memery.
>>1121603
There is, a lot actually. Posts like his are typical Swedish revisionism.
This whole thread is a Swedish circlejerk.
>Swedes pretend to be Finns and spam wewuz garbage
>Swedes use the opportunity they gave themselves to bash Finns
Why are Swedes so obsessed with Finland?
>>1124337
Svecomans try to suppress all information regarding the glorious past of the Finns to justify their past colonialism and subjugation of them.
>>1118484
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