Why didn't civilian militias clean up New York?
>>929307
>like you would have
Right, anon. Back then if you wanted to live in a nice clean place you lived in the suburbs outside the city. If you lived in the city you were to poor for other options or you didn't care/ it was just part of every day life.
>>929307
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guardian_Angels
On a side note, how did NYC went from a crime-ridden dirty shithole to were it is today?
>>929342
I'm just asking because /k/ told me that all gun owners would have rose up and turned it into a "/k/ountry" if it wasn't for the "government"
>>929379
Gentrification.
>>929380
well they're retarded
>>929307
Those tend to turn into gangs.
>>929379
A huge spike in police spending and a no-tolerance drug policy.
It's not like there is less crime, the crime was just pushed out of the city turning it into a rich man's playpen.
>>929379
A certain ethnic group was priced out. It's happening to London and other European cities now too.
>>929379
Unleaded gasoline.
>>929379
Giuliani fixed what the Democrats broke.
Don't worry, DeBlasio will make sure the city sees 1980's level crime rates before his term ends.
>>929420
Blacks? Becuase the biggest ethnicity behind whites in London is south asians, most of them live in poor areas and their numbers are increasing.
>>929431
Giuliani didn't do shit.
>>929417
Are you high? There's much less crime both in and around the city.
>>929441
He continued the trend that started under Dinkins. He also completely reformed both the police force and locked up John Gotti.
He gets too much credit imo, but to say he didn't do shit isn't true.
>>929470
>Are you high?
BLM supporters usually are
>>929307
Because you need more than a few volunteers to actually get rid of criminals
>>929417
>It's not like there is less crime, the crime was just pushed out of the city turning it into a rich man's playpen.
Crime went down nationwide though
>>929307
Because they stopped making Death Wish movies.
>>929420
>happening in London
Hardly. Year by year London is less white.
>>931909
Improving every single year
>>931911
When did it start improving? I've been there and in '97 and met nothing but white people, right now it feels like you just landed in Islamabad.
>>929379
9/11
>>929379
A combination of gentrification and fascist laws allowing the police to randomly search anyone they deemed "suspicious."
>>932005
>fascist
So Orwell was right, this word has lost all meaning.
>>929379
wasn't NYC a crime ridden shithole before the 60s-80s?
>>932658
>wasn't NYC a crime ridden shithole before the 60s-80s?
No, and neither was Chicago, LA, Detroit, etc.
Jesus these pics make me glad I don't live in America.
Literally 3rd world.
>>929495
That makes no sense in the context of his post.
We're you trying to be witty?
>>932705
>these pics
>all selected to make it look bad
>all from 40 years ago
lad..
>>932714
Well, Detroit basically looks like this though, as do many cities in the Mid-West.
You ain't foolin' me Burger.
>>932730
The thread is about New York, though.
>>929379
>>929307
New Yorkers don't have guns
>>929379
They banned large sodas
One thhing is broken glass theory
>remove crime
>>929379
>>929417
>>929420
>>929470
NYC didn't "fix" crime so much as they exported it to cheap housing markets in rust belt cities. Upstate NY cities that used to be commercial are shitholes full of redguard rejects from downstate.
t. resident of the Albany area
ITT: /his/ related documentaries.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rr3ExkCR9PY
>>929367
>No weapons
>Militia
I mean, these people are probably mean good, but patrolling New-York or other shitty cities with little or no means to protect yourself or others just seems like a good way to be stabbed/beaten/raped.
Want to do a policing job (note that I said "policing", not "policeman") ? Carry the necessary tools.
>>934021
>muh cowboy fantasies
Ordinary police in many major world cities don't carry guns. It's not inherent to the job.
>>929380
/k/ believes sandy hook was a ploy to take their guns away. They're retarded.
>>934220
>he fell for the Sandy Hook meme
They did
>>933964
When monsters die they are reborn as terrible spiritua curses which torment their victims through nightmares and by invading their thoughts with horrible sounds
When a mirror is broken it dissolves into ten thousand deadly cursed knives
>>934070
>Ordinary police in many major world cities don't carry guns
Eh, what? That's pretty much exclusive to the British isles. The cops in Berlin, Tokyo, Beijing, Moscow, and pretty much every city that actually matters carry guns.
inb4 some city with 70k people in Iceland or some shit is now a "major world city."
>>929407
they probably know more truth about military history than you do.
>>932665
LA was
>>932687
This guy was an undercover cop
>>934601
Like straight out of a blacksploitation film. Groovy.
>>934455
And? What the fuck is that supposed to prove?
>>934576
LA has always been a crime ridden shit hole and nothing has changed. Hell even LAPD is actively involved in criminal trades.
Reminder that Giuliani cleaned up New York and anyone who denies this is a salty leftist
>>934820
And the new mayor doesn't even allow salt!
>>934301
>Eh, what? That's pretty much exclusive to the British isles.
Even if that were true it would still prove you wrong...
>>934820
>Reminder that Giuliani cleaned up New York
He really didn't. It decreased more under Dinkins. There was also an even bigger decrease in Newark during Giuliani's term. Giuliani was a big talker but he really just rode the wave.
>>929307
Because the problem of violent youth crime is better when it is treated as a public health issue, to be solved with infrastructure upgrades and through improved access to healthcare, in particular improved access to family planning which allowed poor income women to control the rate at which they give birth.
Also, the precipitous decline in youth violence also happens to correlate to the rise of video games as a pass-time. The question "It's 10pm, do you know where your child is?" no longer has relevance in 2016 because for most parents the answer is "yes actually, I do. He's in his room playing Xbox"
>>934455
Only thing that k knows is "omg im gonna kill the goverment so bad" "NIGGERS" "lol dumb russians lol dumn chinese"
K is a pol and g tier autism nest
>>934455
/k/ knows more about technical specifications of tanks or aircraft than actual military history. Military history goes beyond just "this tank was shit" or "gun control is the #1 priority of all governments in history even before guns were invented"
>>934930
I'd say /k/ is one of the boards that actually knows its shit, alongside /o/, /out/ and /an/
>>934455
And they know little of anything else.
One thing that /k/ doesn't seem to grasp is 99% of people don't actually want to do anything. They don't want to live for ideals, be a soldier, a hero, or any of that romantic shit. They want to be left the fuck alone to work some shitty 9-5 they've selected for themselves so they can come home, fuck the wife, and eat.
That's why they let cops and the government pervade their lives.
They don't care, and most want to make-believe its for the best.
Don't forget about abortion, the degenerate's form of contraception.
>>932694
>Subjecting yourself to living in such conditions
>Allowing yourself to be hauled around like cattle in public transport
>To shuttle yourself to a dead end job in a factory or office day in and day out before you return home the same way
Who in the fuck would ever want to live in a large city? If it's not the rampant criminal element, it's an ever-present police state.
>>932730
No, Detroit doesn't look like that. [spoiler]We never had a subway.[/spoiler]
>>935153
I just realized.
>motor city
>implying anyone is going to ride the subway when 90% of the population is getting cars at massive discounts
You would have to be literally fuckin batman to take on 70's New York
It was just accepted that everyone in this city was a fucking degenerate
Modern Compton and Detroit are summercamps compared to old NY
t. Oldfag
>>929307
Like Curtis Sliwa?
>>935010
>/o/
>knowing anything but dank memes
>>934873
No it would not. Unarmed regular law enforcement works in the UK and similar insular nations (Iceland, New Zealand) work because A) the overall violent crime rate is low and B) the few violent criminals do not have access to guns on a regular basis.
And point B can only be guaranteed by strict gun laws AND a near-absolute control of a nation's border to ensure that no significant quantity of firearms may be smuggled in. Which can only happen on island nations (or authoritarian states, whose police are armed anyway cos' oppression and control and shit).
>>934930
>>934944
>>935014
>And other similar posts
Part-time /k/ommando here.
I can certainly understand where these stereotypes come from. But I would like to adress the fact that as usual in a given community, the few, loud & stupid get more attention than the somewhat educated moderates.
/k/ isn't as low as /pol/ yet. Proof is that there still is some non-cancer threads that you can read and enjoy. Such is not the case on /pol/.
>>934070
>Projecting your own fantasies this hard
>Ordinary police in many major world cities don't carry guns
>Being that uneducated that exceptions suddenly becomes the rule.
>>935285
Issue with point b is that you don't need strict gun laws, just not a degenerate gun culture (America's is pretty bad on that manner) and laws that are comprehensive and cover holes
>>935320
Stay strong.
Don't end up like /int/. Never go full /int/.
>>934002
this
newburgh is more dangerous than the bronx
>>934301
>That's pretty much exclusive to the British isles.
Not for much longer.
Hooray for terrorism!
>>935348
I agree with you on your stance about gun laws (apart from the fact that I am in favor of concealed carry for anyone that's been through a vetting process), but you would still need a tight as fuck border to keep criminals from smuggling guns, and that can only realistically happen on islands unless you are willing to go full Trump and build a giant fucking wall with two guys every mile.
And you don't want to go full Trump.
>>935354
Thanks man, not often I get said something nice on the web.
>>929420
Nope, actually. NYC is a lot blacker now than it was in 1980
>>935320
K isnjust as low as pol
Antman antmaaaaaaannnmnnn
Fight the gobermwntttttt
Russia is shiiiiiit
China is shiiiiit
Europe is shiiiit
My ar is best everrr
X vs y
Russsia is shiiit
China is shiiiit
Niggggggerssssss
There i just showd you k
>>935285
London is perhaps the most cosmopolitan city on Earth (second perhaps to New York). It's not "insular." And its beat cops have never carried guns, so long before strict gun control. And they're not unique, e.g. Paris cops only started carrying in the last ten years or so (because "muh terrorism," not regular crime).
>>935014
>letting the jews win
>>934070
lol, nice way to say you're english
>>935354
>Don't end up like /int/. Never go full /int/.
/The creation of /his/ was actually the death of /int/
There used to be the odd history or culture thread on there, dispersed between the bantz and memes. Also it's surprisingly less /pol/ ridden than /his/ is.
>>934930
I've always wondered how much of /k/ would legitimately fight if there was a civil war. It's a lot tougher to fight the big bag gub'mint when they have long range ballistic missiles.
>>934927
>youth crime
>>935354
Oh c'mon, /int/ is basically /s4s/ 2.0 by now, and that allows the international shitposting to be shunted to a different board
>>935894
>the government is going to use long range ballistic missiles on its own soil
>>935798
/int/ was at it's dying throes before the creation.
>>935494
I'm fine with gun's (don't care) but the laws for them are fucked up.
The categories are arbitrary as fuck and in Canada's case ninja stars are bad but throwing knives are okay, you can't mod some shotgun into a sawn off one but you can buy one that is sawn off from the factory (or was it reversed I forgot), The Blaze-47 is banned because the grip makes it look like an AK-47 but the standard Blaze without the grip isn't.
>>934927
I think the most interesting thing about the Lead-Crime hypothesis is that it's truly international in scope.
>>935894
> It's a lot tougher to fight the big bag gub'mint when they have long range ballistic missiles.
But that woud be counter-productive. I mean as long as they fight in urban areas, a state never benefit from destroying its industry.
>>936060
didn't they destroy shit during the civil war and the whole reconstruction.
>>936060
Well if they're desperate...
Also, drones.
>>935014
Basic constitution is also an ideal though. You can't go against it out of sheer pragmatism. It's not a strong enough for a reason.
>>935724
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/insular
Insular : adjective
1.
of or relating to an island or islands:
insular possessions.
2.
dwelling or situated on an island.
3.
forming an island:
Also stop trying to make things up when you don't know shit : Parisian police (and french police as a whole) started regularly carrying guns before WW2.
>>936176
>>936151
I think it's fair to say that if the government is so desperate that it's launching ballistic missiles into the middle of population centres in an effort to retain power, it's already lost. That's essentially total war against its own people; if things are so bad that the only way for the government to hold on is to just start destroying shit regardless of infrastructure or civilian casualties, then most of the population is probably in open revolt, a significant proportion are probably in armed revolt, and many in the military are probably refusing to fight or outright defecting to the rebelling side.
If it gets to that point regime change is likely inevitable. The greater threat to popular rebellions in the US is not military hardware, but rather mass surveillance allowing government forces to crush any anti-government movement while it's still in its infancy.
>>935724
Parisian here, that's not true police always had guns even when I was a kid
In the last years it's military which was implemented not police, just went down to buy food i saw like 4 squads of them
>>934002
The crime rate in those shitholes also went down though.
The reason those areas are shitholes in the first place is because they relied solely on hard industry to support the local economy.
>>934917
He did continue the trend though, which is why he gets all the credit.
Reforming the police force did a lot to make the city safer
Is this thread about history?
>>932658
It was in the 20's and 30's with the Italian mafia roaming around.
Less so in the 40's and 50's
It exploded in the 60's and 70's (the Bronx was in all senses a warzone)
Now it's safer than it has ever been and one of the safest cities in the U.S.
>>938690
>He did continue the trend though, which is why he gets all the credit
More like the trend continued while he was in office. He deserves no credit.
>>929379
they banned potassium
>>929307
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographic_history_of_New_York_City
Why even try, blacks continuously pour into your city bringing crime and drugs.
>>938361
ah ah ah
>>934455
>military history
>being a gunfag
>military history
>having any significant overlap with economics, sociology, or knowledge of governance
First off, that board is incredibly biased towards the US, which should be your first red flat indicating that it's not a good place to get info. Second, military history is usually something that people say they like when they're too dim and small minded to look at the bigger picture and the parts of history that don't have explosions in them.
People like you are why I don't even bat an eye when someone says Americans are stupid. How can you blame then for thinking that when people like you and a good portion of /k/ spend your days proving them right.
I want my country back. Reagan ruined everything.
>>940553
Your point being ? That you were ignorant of the original meaning of the word perhaps ?
>>940857
No, that he used it correctly and you tried (and failed) to be a smart-ass
>>929379
Guliani
>>934002
Fuck Albany is a shithole I go to college at RPI this area sucks
>>935285
>the overall violent crime rate is low
>UK
Nope
>>929379
Giuliani killed all the homeless people
seriously
>>938726
The FBI went ham and cheese on the 5 families of New York in the 80's. The mafia never recovered. And by extension all the other mob families nationwide went underground or started (mostly) legitimate businesses.
>>941800
They also moved into more government type crimes.
>become connected to government
>get government contracts
>get paid a shit ton
>get kick backs
>tax breaks
>etc
>>940610
Reagan signed the Brady Bill.
You should be fellating his rotting dick for that.
Show some graffiti-ridden subway cars and assume it was this gritty, shit-caked third world.
(Okay, maybe it was)
But the graffiti thing is a bad example. Nowadays subway cars get pulled out of service if they get tagged.
BTW shitty New York is still shitty. The whole "much gentrification" thing has become THE biggest meme in the city. The second biggest is
>>934820
And the third is
>>929431
In NYC murder is way down; other violent crime is up. NYC problems are much more than just a bleeding' heart liberal vs. hardline conservative discussion.
