What did they actually accomplish apart from selling things and constructing a few nice looking buildings?
>>924624
Having a GOAT flag
Great art
>>924624
Venice didn't just sell shit. They controlled supply for essentially all of western europe. Economies had to react to Venetian policies rather than be freestanding.
You're essentially complaining that Wall St doesn't do anything.
>>924624
What's there to accomplish beside economy and arts? They were top notch at both.
They were even good at warfare, they kicked imperial arses left and right, and in seven wars the ottomans didn't even manage to get past Corfu.
They were even good at sciences: under the Serenissima the university of Padua hosted some of the finest minds of the renaissance like Galileo and Harvey.
They also produced my favourite baroque composer, based Vivaldi.
>>924624
They sucessfully outjewed the jews. That's incredibly difficult.
>>924723
>Jews are bad xD
/pol/ plz fuck off
>>924624
They hijacked the fourth crusade and BTFO the Byzantines while being in the right for doing it
>>924753
He never said that, fuck off back to >>>/reddit/ if you're offended so easily
>>924624
They held their own most of the time which is a great feat when they are surrounded by huge states like they were.
>>924624
Founded, perfected, and dominated the music printing industry and hence being instrumental (heh) in the wider dissemination of music across Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries? If you were a composer these guys told you when to jump and how high basically.
>>924624
t. literal pleb borrowing his computer from his feudal lord.
You're gonna have to pay for that in grain you know that don't you?
>Be Venetian sea captain
>Crusaders run out of money to pay my fees
>"Please, there must be some way to compensate you and your crew for the voyage?"
>Get them to invade Constantinople
>Now the glorious Merchant Republic of Venice controls all eastern trade
>mfw
>>924753
>>Jews are bad xD
He never said that, dickhead
What did they actually accomplish apart from selling stocks and constructing a few nice looking office buildings?
>>924624
They BTFO the fuck out of the Greek Empire
Controlled most of the eastern Mediterranean Sea trade, had a literal ship factory to help consolidate their maritime empire, and was the 3rd most influential city to the Renaissance, behind Rome only because of the Church's patronage and the Renaissance's boner for the Classical era
>>925891
Plus, a maritime city state with it's city located in a lagoon ===many autistic boners for me
>>924753
>noo stop offending jews ;_;
>>924624
Exerted Naval authority over most of the Eastern Mediterranean until the Ottomans came into power, even then still contained the Ottomans to not much farther beyond the Aegean
Set a standard for city planning and maintenance
Set a standard for the establishment of a stable and functioning central government
Set a standard for the administration of an overseas empire
Developed one of the first major industrial ventures in Europe (Arsenale)
One of the major centers of Renaissance art, science, and music
Greatly advanced shipbuilding, navigational, minting, and finance techniques
Finest glass-makers in Europe
First major center of Printing in Europe
>>924624
Benis was arguably the first colonial european power at Byzantine's expense.
They weren't """""jews"""""""" in that they worked in the shadows via commercial manipulation. If that failed, it sent an army/navy to change your mind. And not all of those were mercs. Military careers were as lauded as commercial ones among it's citizenry.
Being the longest continuous from of government in the history.
>>924624
Being Christians Jews. Also weakening the ERE and leaving it vulnerable to the Turks.
>Venice, not even once
>>927091
Venice did absolutely nothing wrong byzaboo
Fuck off
>>927095
>t. Veniboo
>>925715
Holy fuck he looks like Tywin Lannister. No wonder he was such a cold-hearted pragmatist.
>>927095
>not lamenting the destruction of Rome for eternity
Might as well suck kebab dick while your at it.
>>927095
How the hell do you justify the Fourth Crusade then?
>>927132
What debts, you mean the ones promised by a failed pretender who nobody liked in ERE?
>setting the people who helped you's ships on fire and trying to starve them to death
>helped
The crusaders ATTACKED Constantinople, why would you honestly expect the locals to welcome them with flowers and money?
>>927141
Fuck off gr*k debt nigger
>>927151
Hurry up and get flooded, kike.
>>927151
Wow nice come back, retard.
>>927141
Sorry mate, they are not talking about the attack proper. They are talking about the Latin massacre, where the current emperor(I can't remember wich) got rid of the entire non-greek population of the city.
>>927212
>Massacre of the Latins
>The predominance of the Italian merchants caused economic and social upheaval in Byzantium: it accelerated the decline of the independent native merchants in favour of big exporters, who became tied to the landed aristocracy, who in turn increasingly amassed large estates.[1] Together with the perceived arrogance of the Italians, it fueled popular resentment amongst the middle and lower classes both in the countryside and in the cities.[1]
The religious differences between the two sides, who viewed each other as schismatics, further exacerbated the problem. The Italians proved uncontrollable by imperial authority: in 1162, for instance, the Pisans together with a few Venetians raided the Genoese quarter in Constantinople, causing much damage.[1] Emperor Manuel subsequently expelled most of the Genoese and Pisans from the city, thus giving the Venetians a free hand for several years.[7]
>>927225
>In early 1171, however, when the Venetians attacked and largely destroyed the Genoese quarter in Constantinople, the Emperor retaliated by ordering the mass arrest of all Venetians throughout the Empire and the confiscation of their property.[1] A subsequent Venetian expedition in the Aegean failed: a direct assault was impossible due to the strength of the Byzantine forces, and the Venetians agreed to negotiations, which the Emperor stalled intentionally. As talks dragged on through the winter, the Venetian fleet waited at Chios, until an outbreak of the plague forced them to withdraw.[8]
>The Venetians and the Empire remained at war, with the Venetians prudently avoiding direct confrontation but sponsoring Serb uprisings, besieging Ancona, Byzantium's last stronghold in Italy, and signing a treaty with the Norman Kingdom of Sicily.[9] Relations were only gradually normalized: there is evidence of a treaty in 1179,[10] although a full restoration of relations would only be reached in the mid-1180s.[11] Meanwhile, the Genoese and Pisans profited from the dispute with Venice, and by 1180, it is estimated that up to 60,000 Latins lived in Constantinople.[1]
LATINS WERE GOOD BOYS THEY DIDNU NUFFIN
>>927227
>LATINS WERE GOOD BOYS THEY DIDNU NUFFIN
They didn't
>>927254
That's the fucking point, the Latins got shafted because they stirred up shit and got the locals to hate them in the first place. Not to say that the massacre was a good thing, because it wasn't. But the sack of the City happened thanks to politics rather than as a response to the massacre.
>>927227
So are they justified when they killed them? No they aren't, I know for byzantines is normal to show no mercy for their enemies, but come on, you aren't a byzantine.
>basilius II bulgaroctonous
>>927265
>make a bunch of gr*k crybabies upset
>60,000 killed
>B-Byzantines were in the right
>>927275
Standards were different back then
>>927283
Yes, but generally civilian population where interested only in the actual war zone where the fight was taking place. At the time costantinople wasn't one of them.
Can anybody recommend me a book on them?
I only have time to read one, so please recommend the best and most accessible overview of the history of Venice.
>>927356
Get Ostrogorsky, History of the byzantine empire.
Is simply the best, the most complete and impartial.
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>>927356
>best and most accessible overview of the history of Venice
>>927091
ERE was dead when they allowed Venice to become their de facto navy sometime in the 11th century
>>927711
Thank you very much!
>>924753
Look mom I post it again.
>>927091
>Slaughter Latin citizens of your own city
>Latin power humiliates you in turn
>WAHHHH LATINS R EVIL BYZANTINES DINDU NUFFIN
>>927225
>Look the latins are less lazy than us greeks, lets butcher men, women and children
