What historical changes led to feminism and the emancipation of women?
>inb4 the Jews
I'm not sure if I understand the question. The idea of women being treated equally to men existed since long before the first-wave feminism movement and I'm not sure if any historical event caused any sort of spark.
>>916618
>the idea of women being treated equally to men
I should probably reword this as
>the idea of women having equal rights to men
There is little that can't be blamed on martin luther. So I blame the plague.
To my recollection, it was the Industrial Revolution.
>>916600
Not the Jews. The cucks and the betas.
>D-darling I would definitely let you vote! Will you have sex with me now?
>Y-you say you don't like men who enjoy alcohol? Of course I support prohibition!
>I-I'm for equal rights my strong princess will you blow me now?
Behind every dumbfuck political decision you can always find some beta trying to pander to a bitch.
Fun fact: In Rome, Christianity was spread by women. Originally a cult of some middle eastern plebs, Roman aristocratic women started converting to Christianity en masse because it was cool and trendy at the time. And the dumbshit men, of course, wouldn't want to be uncool and boring in their eyes so they converted as well.
WW1 and 2
>>916756
First-wave feminism started somewhere within the 19th century
female mortality rate becoming less of a horrorshow. It really puts child marriage and other traditional practices into context. It is really privileged women can delay childbirth and family formation to the degree western women are allowed, ultimately at the sacrifice of the progeny's health.
Ah feminism
"Masculine" virtues are extremely well defined and argued. Innumerable artists and writers have contributed to its definition throught history. Im dissapointed in feminism because it hasnt tried to do the same, instead choosing to call "masculine" virtue just "virtue" then claim women possess as much of it as men. In the end doing, in my opinion, as much harm to women as good.
Are there any philosophers or written works that are different? That attempt to find a "feminine" virtue? Or is there only one, genderless virtue that women are just out of luck in.
4chan's new theme
>>919065
Did... 4chan just add a random name to my post? Or does that mean there is some other random person on this public wifi posting on 4chan under the name vanessa boyer?
>>919097
Oh. April fools. Got it.
>>916591
The Industrial Revolution
The Rise of Socialism(before the 1960's the most powerful and Well Known Feminists were Socialists)
The two World Wars
Chads who wanted to pump and dump without being beaten up by angry Male Relatives
>>917296
>ultimately at the sacrifice of the progeny's health.
>women gambling their very lives on childbirth is better than potentially defective babies, which modern medicine can readily ameliorate
Stop breathing any time.
>>919065
> "Masculine" virtues are extremely well defined and argued.
>Innumerable artists and writers have contributed to its definition throught history.
Since when did people's personal views become documentation? You're disappointed because feminists disagree with some artists? Are you unironically using artists and writers as part of your argument that masculinity is objective? I really hope this is bait.
>>919144
Have kids before late 20s will be easier to recover from and gets in before the half-life accelerates. I'm sorry feminism doesn't allow honesty about biological clocks and you had to find out this way
>>919184
I don't understand your objection to be honest. Ask the average person what it means to be a "Man", "Real Man", or "Good Man" and most, regardless of their culture or education, will likely give you simular answers regarding things like strength and honor. This definition has been well explored by artists and philosophers the whole world over.
My question was if there was a feminine equivalent, with the understanding that perhaps there isn't.
So... what do women have to aspire to, what is their source of pride?
Sure there is motherhood and companionship, I suppose, but neither sound particulaly appealing, by themselves. Perhaps that is a fault of modern culture, but Id like more to consider, whether different opinions or a more extensive arguement
What upset you?
I'm surprised no one has mentioned the invention of the washing machine, which gave women substantially more time they could use to work.
>>916755
Truer words were never spoke
the main thing was the radical notion of equality introduced in the wake of social contract theory over and above traditional grounding of persons within the great chain of being. theoretical abstractions were taken over and above reality - which is ironic from the perspective of the proponents of radical equality over natural law.
>>916591
the fuck is this board? and why it looks just so gay?
>>919338
>honor
Not him, but you do know honor was also something women were also expected to attain? Through different means, surely, but things like marrying an important man and being reputed to be chaste, faithful and/or beautiful were means for a woman to honor oneself and her family.
Honor is basically a measure of social desirability which is greatly culture-dependent. For a nip, gutting yourself if you were shamed was honorable. For a samurai's wife it would be honorable to smile upon learning her husband had died in combat.
>>919194
Sure smells like /pol/ in here.
>>916756
This. It was need for manpower in farms and factories more than feminism. Also, political parties welcomed more voters.
>>919408
This sounds most plausible
Hobbes and Locke especially made people start thinking that individual rights were inherent and inalienable
>>919442
April's fool joke to look like google plus
>>919494
LAAAAAANAAAAAA
Enlightenment is where feminist ideology began
Workplace integration began in world war 2 and gradually led to the emancipation of women, for better or worse
>>916591
Because of modernization, they were no longer bound completely by their traditional roles.
Chores became a lot easier with modern machinery.
Schools, kindergardens, nurseries meant that they didn't had to keep an eye on their brats 24/7.
The usefulness of the extra workforce of women was recognised by governments, and was put into good use by during the World Wars.
Modernization also loosened up society. In the Capitalist system, people gained more social mobility, especially those who belonged to groups with traditionally rigid societal roles (like the Jews).
>>919494
you have no rebuttal and you're not afraid to show it.Go be a wagecuck and lets your eggs go unused, next generation there won't be anymore feminists because feminists don't have kids.
The Industrial revolution certainly kicked it off. WWI reinforced it and I'm sure WWII did the same.
>>919772
not him but you said
"I'm sorry feminism doesn't allow honesty about biological clocks and you had to find out this way"
>implying this is true
>implying it would be relevant if it was.
Everyone knows it's better to have kids young. That doesn't change the fact that people don't want to and trying to force them to would be immoral.
>>916591
During the 2 World Wars women would work in the factories while their husbands were out at war. Then lobbyists, business owners, and jews alike thought "wow we can make even more money!1" Also brought forth by the various cultural shifts in the 60s
>>922173
>Also brought forth by the various cultural shifts in the 60s
Interestingly enough, a recent(?) study has shown that modern women are unhappier than their pre-60s feminism counterparts.
http://www.nber.org/papers/w14969
>>919772
>rebuttal
What you said wasn't even fucking relevant. Why am I obligated to give a rebuttal to your shitpost?
It was safe enough for people to walk around alone.
>>919338
You're saying that because most people have similar definition as to what masculinity is that women cannot have those qualities. I'm not understanding your train of thought at all
>>916591
manpower shortages in war economies meant that women needed to do the kind of strength-dependent jobs which usually were filled by men
technological advances also diminished the need for muscular strength in getting many jobs done
the development of tertiary and quaternary economic activity further allowed women to climb the ladder.
the proliferation of public schooling meant that women didn't necessarily have to spend as great an amount of time supervising children.
you could also make the argument that various political classes in a democracy viewed potential female voters as a political asset, encouraging them to support female voting rights etc.
there's no rigor behind my thinking, just talking out my ass desu
>>922253
It isnt that I think women cant possess virtues society labels masculine, but they do appear to be disadvantaged in obtaining them.
Put as raw logic
>Certain virtues are defined as masculine by society.
>Does society define these virtues as masculine because women are less likely to possess them/men more likely to?
The prevailing opinion on this website appears to be yes, supported by pointing out the lack of female great-people (disadvantaged in strength), and miscellaneous attacks on their general integrity, selflessness, and competance. The alternative is the prevailing opinion in current western culture that women have just been disadvantaged by society, "oppressed".
But assuming yes
>being that women are disadvantaged towards attaining certain virtues, are there virtues which women are advantaged in attaining? Or is gender just unfair?
Calling the "masculine" virtues "masculine" was, perhaps, a misstep as the virtues are genderless unless you affirm the first question of competative competance betweeb genders, at which point the virtues become "masculine" due to being over represented in males.
Im not trying to argue any of the points myself, but rather asking for opinions, prefirably with reference to some interesting reading.
-because people know that women cannot keep their legs closed
-because people know that most men never amount to anything
virginity is the best discriminant for people:
-good women are not tramps
-good men manage to make something of their lives.
naturally, this utopia never occurs:
-women spread their legs chasing their fun, especially through sex, thanks to the men ready to serve them
-very few men go beyond women
men never amount to anything besides providing entertainment for women, since providing for women is the easiest thing (even though, most of the time, they will get their orgasms from other men), especially when it comes to giving them gifts.
>>916591
Pretty sure it was a combination of political philosophy and economic factors.
It made no sense to certain political figureheads that the principles of Liberalism not apply to women, such as John Stuart Mill and others.
However, it took a long time before that idea was accepted by people anyway.
>>922949
>feminism
Enjoy near future of Europe:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bFVAlij_Xw
