>nazis invade France
>they lose after fighting for a month, yet continue to fight in the form of their exile government and in the French resistance
LOL FUCKING SURRENDER MONKEYS! FAGGOTS!
>Nazis invade Denmark
>after 6 hours, the Danish government completely gives and and willingly becomes Hitlers bitch for the duration of the war
So how come no one give the Danes as much shit as the French?
> Danes ever being relevant enough
Next time you would shit on Romania or something?
>>914026
>he thinks the french resistance did shit before the allies landed
>>914026
Because the French had one of the largest and best equipped armies in the world, and Denmark had been a tiny irrelevancy since the eternal Anglo got them.
>implying the French government-in-exile did anything of note aside from trying to keep up the illusions of relevancy importance.
>>914026
France was a great power that's why.
>>914026
Because more Frenchies surrendered to the Nazi regime, and then joined them.
>>914026
I doubt Denmark had much of an army at the time and even if they had a standing army they would have stood no chance against Germany. France gets so much shit because no one at the time was expecting France to lose to Germany that quickly
Because that's how a popular cartoon told them to think.
>compares a large mitiliarized european nation such as France to the little shithole known as Denmark
Oh shit nigger what are you doing. Next you're gonna tell me that Denmark could win a war against Sweden.
>>914026
Denmark is like 1/10th the size of France and has a way smaller army. Come on, use your head a little bit
>>914026
No one expects anything from us Danes, getting btfo is kinda our thing.
>>914074
So is Danish history just "hey, remember that time Germany bullied us around?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JfZVSB5piUI
Scene from a Danish movie about the invasion, I enjoyed this scene a lot. The tactics felt very realistic or at least more grounded in reality than Hollywood depictions.
>>914026
because the french had more tanks, more fighter planes and a sturdy defense line... They only surrendered because the army high command hated the politicians and loved the nazis... The danes had hardly any army to speak of...
>>914080
*"hey, remember that time Germany AND Sweden bullied us around?"
Yeah, basically that and "WE WUZ VIKINGS N NORMANS N SHEIT"
>>914026
the brits are the real cowards
if they had helped france, france had a plan to restart it's war manufacturing in 6 months and the war would be a lot easier
>>914099
wtf? I always thought Denmark was like the HNIC of the nordic countries?
>>914108
>what is the British Expeditionary Force
Obviously actually having French soldiers defending France is too much to ask for.
>>914081
Darth Vader=Germany
Lando=King Christian X
>>914026
because the danes did not have the Maginot line witch was claimed to be the hottest defense system on earth..... too bad the Germans went threw the Ardennes forest (french thought tanks would not make it threw the dense forest)
>>914026
Massive army, massive defense infrastructure, former bully of Europe.
An outdated doctrine and shifty politicians rendered all that useless.
We got dickslapped real hard and it was unexpected.
But a shitload of soldiers got rekt during the invasion, it is dishonnest to say they did not put up any fight.
Resistance was exagerated in the post war years to rebuild trust in a broken nation and state. They mostly did sabotage and spy shit anyway; in such a scenario, ambushing a couple of infantry men in useless compared to disrupting logistics and collecting intelligence.
No one gives anyone any shit except the French, and that's because since the end of WW2 France has been the only Western country to conduct a foreign policy independently from the United States, and on a few rare occasions opposing the United States.
Everyone else is just parroting American memes like a good goy.
>>914112
We sort of handed over that title to Sweden after the Kalmar union failed and the 30 years was the final nail in the coffin.
>>914044
France was outnumbered by Germany 2 to 1 and had a badly outdated military.
>>914114
The only thing the BEF contributed to the war effort was making the French army probably lose time babysitting them back to Britain after they started retreating almost immediately.
>>914119
Complete myth. Everyone knew the Germans would go through Belgium, that was in fact the point of the Maginot Line.
>>914196
> Everyone knew the Germans would go through Belgium, that was in fact the point of the Maginot Line
so, basically, french were just stupid?
>>914026
Didn't the Danish even go as far as blow up their own fleet?
Also, Bravo for them. Their cities didn't end up becoming bombed out, concrete lean-to sheds.
>>914231
The point was to make sure the Germans would go through Belgium, thus freeing up troops that could be used to protect the Northern border instead of having to spread them out.
The reason the Maginot Line wasn't extended to the border with Belgium was that it would have seemed like France was abandoning Belgium to Germany, which was seen as unchivalrous.
>>914252
ok but how is it possible that french were taken by surprise if they knew that germans would pass through belgium?
>>914026
>914026
>french becomes finances bitch
>danes become free
>>914264
They weren't taken by surprise, that's what I'm saying that's a myth.
The reason the Germans won is speed. Germany had fully motorised infantry while France didn't even have a single proper armored division. You often hear people say that French tanks were technologically superior and more modern because they had better cannons and shit, and that's true but irrelevant, because the German tanks were faster. Once they broke through the French lines with overwhelming concentrated force, the French just couldn't catch up.
>>914033
Danes cucked Prussia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Schleswig_War
>>914283
>French tanks were technologically superior and more modern because they had better cannons and shit, and that's true but irrelevan
i also heard that germans tanks were far superior to american ones, and that the ratio of power between german and american tanks was 1:3, so basically americans were the shit?
>>914026
>nazis invade France
>they lose after fighting for a month
But they won, they even occupied France after that
>>914334
>being THIS retarded
>>914026
France was for centuries the most fearsome country of Europe when it comes to warfare
Of course it's shocking to see them raped in a month
Meanwhile, what has Denmark ever accomplished?
When there are no expectations, there is no dissapointment
>>914332
American and British tanks were faster than German tanks, especially the American M18 Hellcat tank destroyer (France had nothing like that, but of course there had been a lot of advancements by the time the US arrived on the European theatre). But the real war took place in the East of course, and coincidentally the Russians had the fastest tanks of all.
>>914345
>no expectations, no dissapointment
this
I'm dutch and we got invaded in no time aswell but nobody bullies us for it
if you hear any dutch person praising our 'ebin underground resistance' they're full of shit
>>914357
of course, braise ameriga :DDDDD
>>914354
>tfw the only resistance movement that actually did, or attempted to do shit and had any balls at all were the jewish ones
inb4 pol memes
>>914381
got any info on jewish resistances?
>Tiny ass nation with no historic military history to speak of.
>The eternal nemesis of Germany, one of the mightiest military in the world (Having almost twice the amount of tanks, and better ones at that, then the Germans.
Nice comparison, frog
>>914387
wasnt really one big underground army, but shit like the warsaw ghetto uprising, the Sobibor escape, and the Bielski partisans
>>914283
>Germany had fully motorised infantry while France didn't even have a single proper armored division
Germany never had fully motorised infantry and France was motorised to higher degree than Germany.
The division thing is a question whether you consider a cavalry(motorised) division with armoured brigade to be armoured or you need to call it "armoured" otherwise you don't know what it is.
>that's true but irrelevant, because the German tanks were faster.
yes, forget about shitty operational range, unreliability, lack of visibility, over-stretched TC function, manufacturing being spread over several different companies which ended up in some tanks of the same model having to use different spares, shit radio or no radio at all etc. etc.
The most modern French tank - S-35 had all mentioned issues. And it was hailed as MODERN AS FUCK by French.
I'll tell you what happened in France.
Germans went through Ardennes. Gigantic traffic jams ensured but allied airforce, focused on "interdiction" didn't care enough to completely destroy them here, but tried to destroy bridges and roads further down Germany. They didn't even succeeded at this task. Then the traffic jams were unloaded as more troops passed through and best allied divisions, all in Belgium already didn't had ANY reserves to send here because they thought that for some reason airforce will cut them off supplies.
That's how Germans won.
>>914352
TD doctrine was a complete disaster, Americans were better off doing what they've did in the end anyway - equipping Shermans with M1A1 anti-tank gun. They could've been doing it earlier but... yeah, MUH TD's.
You're also commiting a terrible mistake of mixing tactical mobility(speed) with operational mobility(speed, reliability, logistical system, numerous other things).
>>914381
What about the Polish Underground?
>>914449
irrelevant, they've never did anything special outside of killing jews, orchestrating holohoax and trashing warsaw anyway
>>914457
>killing jews
>orchestrating holohoax
Don't those things contradict each other?
German population was about 20-30 times that of the Danish, and Denmark had even fewer natural ressources as Germany.
Not to mention, by the time war was declared, German troops were landing in the Danish Capital via merchant ships.
>>914466
They've killed them and then blamed it on Germans. Duh.
>>914034
he unironically forgot most of the french empire joined De Gaulle
>>914479
You meant Petain I the Cuckest I think.
>>914395
actually, the eternal nemesis of french was england, not germany.
see also war of hundred years and race to colonize north america.
french went in war with austria during napoleonic time, germany still didn't exist back then
>>914283
>Germany had fully motorised infantry
Actually no! The French army was way more motorized and mechanized than the Germans at the time (and funnily enough also later in the war as they rode on US equipment).
Also the French did have actual armored divisions. Just not a lot and they could not do much when faced with German air supremacy.
>use your political genius to unite all the german people under one flag
>go on to make Germany a great emerging power
>spoiled brat king goes "GIMME GIMME!" with the magnificent empire you just built
>waste all Germanys potential on some war because hes too autistic to not do so
>Germany loses hard
>"well, at least it cant get any worse"
>an even bigger autstic takes over, but this time, hes edgier
>again goes to war with the world and forever ruins Germany
Otto...Otto had a hard life
>>914504
No It was Germany.
Probably because they prefered hiding behind the Maginot Line instead of attacking immediately when large parts of the German Army were still preoccupied in Poland. It could have all been over in 1939 if it wasn't for the coward frogs and anglos.
>>914545
>forever ruins germany
>richest country in the world in the last 20 years
yeah, sure
>>914611
>Germany
>richest country
lol no
>>914559
there were no such thing as "germany" before the late 1800, there was prussia and it didn't have a rilevant rivalities with france.
prussia engaged war with france because she was taking all over in europe, not for historical rivalities.
again, england was france's biggest rival until mid 1800.
france helped the US during independence war and basically was the most important factor the contributed to free US from UK, also competed with UK for north america.
and during middle age went in war against england for 100 fucking years, in the probably longer war of history.
>>914620
one of the richest in the world, fag
>>914629
>france helped the US during independence war and basically was the most important factor the contributed to free US from UK,
>europeans actually believe this
>>914631
based on what? Merkel feed propaganda?
>>914620
>Germany is a great power and has the world's fourth-largest economy by nominal GDP
eat a dick
>>914633
>amerifag spotted
you were a useless bunch of hunters and traders before independence, deal with it.
no way your army of fag improvised soldiers could do any shit against one of the best armies of his time
>>914637
>GDP
you said "richest country" which it isnt. Its not even in the top 10
Then you moved the goal post to GDP, and even then you say its the 4ths largest. So "Germany is the richest country!" is bullshit even by your admission
>>914682
Ja ja, Deutschland is Bangladesh-tier
>>914682
it was a typo, i meant "one of the richest", obviously.
yes, it is. she's leader in europe, and very wealthy compared to other world big nations.
> it is both the world's third-largest exporter and importer of goods
u jelly, greece?
>>914642
>LET ME TELL YOU ALL ABOUT THIS EVENT I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT!
lol europoors
>no way your army of fag improvised soldiers could do any shit against one of the best armies of his time
you mean other than the Saratoga campaign? Or the western campaign? Or the battle over New Jersey? (Trenton, Assunpink Creek, Millstone)
or even the capture of fort Ticonderoga?
But the Brits did give those colonist hell at the battle of bunker hill though! I mean, they just kept marching up the hill and getting shot in their brilliant "throw wave after wave of soldiers up the hill until they run out of bullets" plan was amazing!
>>914682
>has the largest national economy in Europe which is also the world's fourth largest by nominal GDP[132] and the fifth one by PPP.
>>914633
When I see ungrateful amerifats like you, I understand why frogs hate you
The worst part is that you get butthurt when frogs do the same with your contribution to their liberation in WW2
>>914719
come on, brit even managed to burn white house.
stop with this nonsense faggotry whining, french was crucial for your winning.
an army of volunteer against a royal army trained and qell equipped, no fucking match
>>914719
>you mean other than the Saratoga campaign? Or the western campaign? Or the battle over New Jersey? (Trenton, Assunpink Creek, Millstone)
I hope you're aware that all of that was accomplished with weapons, ammos and uniforms the French supplied
The truth is, the 13 colonies would never have earned their freedom without French intervention -- the whole battle for American independence was essentially a proxy war between Britain and France.
France began providing arms and ammunition as early as 1776. In early 1777, months before Saratoga, the French sent American colonists 25,000 uniforms and pairs of boots, hundreds of cannons, and thousands of muskets -- all stuff that the colonists would've had a hard time surviving without, and all stuff they had no access to on their own.
France provided a whopping 90 percent of the rebels' gunpowder. Without France, the entire American Revolution would have devolved into a bunch of dudes swinging their muskets as clubs within weeks.
Still, the most important French contribution to the revolution was the least visible to Americans. As mentioned, the reason France pampered the Patriots was always selfish. They were out to weaken the British forces -- particularly their naval strength -- in order to take the fight to them, perhaps even conquer them. That's why, for much of the Revolutionary War, the British ships tasked with kicking America's ass had to survive 12 rounds with the French navy before they could even think of crossing the Atlantic. France gleefully fought the British, eventually teaming up with Spain, declaring a war, attacking from all sides, and even setting up an invasion force.
So, when the Colonial army was fighting for dear freedom, history books tend to conveniently forget that they did so with French money, equipment, and backup forces, while France and its other allies were busy pummeling the empire from every other side.
>>914725
actually, during WWII USA just returned a favour.
>>914731
>come on, brit even managed to burn white house.
in the war of 1812
>stop with this nonsense faggotry whining, french was crucial for your winning.
>an army of volunteer against a royal army trained and qell equipped, no fucking match
Cool none response faggot. Just admit you dont know dick about the revolutionary war an are too butthurt and petty to admit America won
>>914736
>y-yeah, but france gave them the guns they used to beat the british!
Goal post moving at its finest. You arrogantly claimed that the coloniest could never beat the British army, and inplied it was ENTIRELY the French who did literally everything
>>914725
>When I see ungrateful amerifats like you
yeah, how dare I actually study history instead of just repeating petty butthurt memes about how "lol coloniest did nothing for their own independence! France did it all!"
This totally means I hate France to for some reason
>>914738
i meant richest in the world, and yes she is.
regretting about her past is just stupid, she get away in the better way possible
>>914772
fucking god, how stupid can you be?
he haven't said colonist didnt do anything, just that you won your first war because of france.
as he clearly stated, there was no way a bunch of volunteer without equipment could win a war against one of the most powerful country in the world without the right amount of help.
stop whining, amerifag. french made you win independence war
>>914781
>i meant richest in the world, and yes she is.
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-23-richest-countries-in-the-world-2015-7
>18th
>richest
>>914766
god, this amount of butthurt
>'murica
>>914792
>he haven't said colonist didnt do anything, just that you won your first war because of france.
>france...was the most important factor the contributed to free US from UK
>you were a useless bunch of hunters and traders before independence, deal with it.
>no way your army of fag improvised soldiers could do any shit against one of the best armies of his time
exactly what he said. Europeans dont know anything about American history, especially the revolution, and just repeat petty memes because they hate America for whatever reason which is fine if you just want to shitpost, but not if you want to actually discuss history
>stop whining,
lol the irony
Hannah Ahrent, Eichmann in Jerusalem
> It was not just that the people of Denmark refused to assist in implementing the Final Solution, as the peoples of so many other conquered nations had been persuaded to do (or had been eager to do) — but also, that when the Reich cracked down and decided to do the job itself it found that its own personnel in Denmark had been infected by this and were unable to overcome their human aversion with the appropriate ruthlessness, as their peers in more cooperative areas had.
Denmark was literally the only country that won WW2. Prove me wrong, faggots.
>>914766
You fatties didnt manage to beat us decisively until frogs got involved
Case in point
>>914808
>I-I meant GDP!
You said richest you faggot, not best GDP. Stop moving the goal post
andI didnt say GDP didnt matter or anything close to that. You said yourself that Germany had the 4th best GDP, so you are saying yourself it isnt the best. How fucking dumb are you?
and youre wrong anyway, its 5th, behind Japan
>>914809
>e-european don't just understand us
>whining this hard
god, it's embarassing the butthurt flowing in you.
when you have to joke about european's failure you do the tough guys part, when someone just states the truth you whine like a little bitch.
get your shit together, amerifag
>>914822
i told you before, i made a mistake, how retarded how are you?
one of the richest country and yes, fourth or fifth place made her on of the richest in the world.
stay jelly, papulenko
>>914831
>i told you before, i made a mistake,
exactly, you were wrong and I was right
So just deal with it and stop being so petty you continue to argue for the sake of arguing
Your claim "Germany is the richest" is wrong
your goalpost moving claim "Germany has the best GDP" is also wrong
>>914838
as demonstrated before, germany IS one of the richest.
now stop it, you got the point. i made a typo and i already told it 100 times, i also shower why germany is one of the richest.
now go eat a dick
>>914838
>your goalpost moving claim "Germany has the best GDP" is also wrong
also i never said anything like that, so basically you're just shitposting
>>914844
>we gave explanations and numbers
yeah because fucking fresh uniforms was what led to the successful capture of Ticonderoga
Never mind that it was a militia of " a useless bunch of hunters and traders", The Green Mountain boys, who actually captured it.
Like I already said, its a petty goal post moving post. You claimed "no way your army of fag improvised soldiers could do any shit against one of the best armies of his time"
and then when I provided you with examples of that exact thing happening, you got all pissy.
At least you are actually learning something through all your shitposting though
>>914545
>2016
>"well, that was quite awful, but it can't possibly get any worse right?"
>an even bigger autist takes over
>>914961
more buttuhurt, fatass.
colonists wasn't soldiers, most of them were traders/farmes/whatever, they couldn't stand even the first wave of royal army. for sure they didn't have the equipment, and the training level was very amateur level.
just an american can think that unprepared volunteer can stand against a professional army.
>m-muh national pride
cut the bullshit, tard
>>914345
wut?
>>914559
Only after 1871. If Willie the First had listened to Bismarck and had not annexed Alsace-Lorraine WW1 would have been very different
>>915081
probably france would joined germany to fuck up england
>>915031
>colonists wasn't soldiers, most of them were traders/farmes/whatever,
yeah, and they still captured a british military fort and won a war against them
stay salty
>>915055
because eternal anglo cannot go against his own nature.
>>915203
haha ebin intposting my friend
keep it up
>>914591
I'm french and I think like this guy here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saar_Offensive
>>915055
the answer to your question in your pic... American was made because of the french nobility/royalty...
>>915055
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-War
>>914196
>France was outnumbered by Germany 2 to 1 and had a badly outdated military.
The French had the strongest and best equipped army at the beginning of WWII. The German military was a shadow of its former self.
>>915055
>French king gives a loan to US colonist
>French revolution happens
>REEE PAY US BACK!
>America says they got those loans from the king, so they dont have to pay to this new government
>series of a few naval battles happens called the Quasi War
>>915262
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quasi-War
American:
Before U.S. military involvement:
28 killed
42 wounded
300+ merchantmen and their cargoes captured
22 privateers captured
Over 2000 merchant ships captured in total
After U.S. military involvement:
1 ship captured
(later recaptured)[3]
54+ killed
43+ wounded
British:
Unknown
French:
Hundreds killed or wounded
Several French privateers and warships captured or destroyed
Spain:
Unknown
1 fort captured
>>914633
Nearly the totality of gunpowder the american used in their revolution was french.
One of the richest countries in the world at the time ruined itself for your revolution, helped you on your own continent, kept the brits busy and you pretend like you did everything.
>>914817
Getting the frogs involved was the plan after all. And when we ramboed it in 1812, the regulars got their asses kicked true, but boy were the Royals mad about New Orleans.
It's not an invasion when the country being attacked declared war first. In that case it's called a pre-emptive strike because said country started the agressions against the other country first.
And there was no "french exile government" after case yelllow. You had some oddball criminals who fled to London and set up an office where they claimed the french president's seat (kinda like the "syrian opposition" abroad nowadays lol) but de facto this was of no diplomatic significance.
The etat francais/vichy cabinet was the rightful french government, which is also why all the french colonial possessions were transfered to it. Please educate yourself before spreading these tumblrite half-truths.
>>916211
>we ramboed in 1812
wut
>>914736
>
I hope you're aware that all of that was accomplished with weapons, ammos and uniforms the French supplied
Well, I guess America won both world wars after all!
Its a dumb joke OP, drop it, dont let them trigger you
>>916258
>It's not an invasion when the country being attacked declared war first. In that case it's called a pre-emptive strike because said country started the agressions against the other country first.
Napoleon basically conquered Europe with pre-emptive strikes
>>915055
The French attacked American trade ships in Europe, having both of them in a "war" with eachother
>>915099
>France and Germany as best buds
>>916654
Fucking #rekt there, not even normal levels of rekt, we're having to use non-alphanumeric characters to express it.
>>914419
McNair had a reason for a dedicated tank destroyer units, but they're too complex to explain here, suffice it to say TD doctrine was not pants on head retarded as you imply - it was focused on creating a rapid response brigade that could be sent anywhere on the front where they needed to bolster it against an armored attack. When it came to this, they were VERY successful, the problem was there weren't enough TD brigades to go around.
The reason it took so long for the 76mm gun to end up in the Sherman is primarily because BuOrd had a 'battlefield need' dimension to tanks since McNair put his foot down to prevent the US from manufacturing a fucking medley of different models, most of which were utter garbage.
There's a lot of reasons why the Sherman has such a bad reputation now (Wehraboos and Cyka Blats) but I could create a whole thread about it.
American TD's also ended up being used as artillery pieces alongside their usual role.
>>914352
>Russians had the fastest tanks
If you consider the obsolete as fuck by 1940 BT-7s as relevant, then yes, yes they did.
>>914026
In part because the Danes actually got 90% of the Jews in their country smuggled out to Sweden.
Also, their resistance was ballsy as fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C6omvmlfahU
>>915099
Jesus dont talk like that you make my frog dick too hard. We could have had it all Germany ! We could have raped England for the last fucking time
>>917329
>obsolete as fuck by 1940 BT-7s
by 1940 those would not be obsolete at all, remember that the vast majority of all tanks deployed by all sides at that time would be "pz2-3 tier" so to speak, from, well, from pz2s and early 3s to pz-38 or 35 or t26s or the bt series....
>>917601
Even then they weren't as fast as the hellcat.
>>917607
uhh... okay?
>>914026
>compare one of the biggest european militaries at the time with one of the smallest
Surely there is no fault in this line of argument.
Stay mad surrender frog.
>>914099
The danish and swedish wars ended like 6-7 to the swedes or something like that. Wouldn't call that bullying.
>>914816
DENMARK STRONK IN HUMANITIY!
>>914345
Lol, ok. Forget about Napoleon getting cucked hard by us Brits, forget about us literally owning half your country in the middle ages, forget about us cucking you out of India at Plassey.
>>918026
>Lol, ok. Forget about Napoleon getting cucked hard by us Brits
You mean when Russians and Germans defeated him while you were hiding on your island like the coward you are?
>forget about us literally owning half your country in the middle ages
You mean when the French family ruling England was engaged in a civil war with the French family ruling France?
>forget about us cucking you out of India at Plassey.
Lmao, Brits are so desperate for military achievements against civilized people they have to claim a battle against some backward Indian tribe with 50 French advisors (while total forces were numbering in the thousands on each side) as an epic victory against France
You Brits are truly the most pathetic people out there
It's no wonder we raped you so hard (with some little help from France but we couldnt have done it alone anyway) in 1776
>>914026
Implying that the frenchs gourvernement was against hitler , Marechal Petin read some fact about it before you open you open your yanky hore mouth OP
Because people expected more out of France than Denmark.
France held their own well in the first world war, so they expected something similar in the second. When they did not, there was a collective shocked outrage. This was negated by Russia's surprise strength.
>>918026
LOL yeah let's forget French dynasties
>>919167
> Hiding on an island
> Waterloo and Peninsula
Pick one and only one frog.
>>916258
>It's not an invasion when the country being attacked declared war first.
Yes it is
>>917329
>since McNair put his foot down to prevent the US from manufacturing a fucking medley of different models, most of which were utter garbage.
He put his foot down to prevent the US from manufacturing garbage tanks so garbage M10 TD could be manufactured instead.
If it wasn't for it I'd say that it wasn't that inane, but the reality is that the only TD that was actually good was M36 and that's because it sported gun Sherman couldn't*, which was the entire purpose of that class.
*without sacrifices in gun depression
