Is there any way that the World Wars could have been prevented?
Hard-Mode: You aren't allowed to assassinate any of the Axis leadership.
War only propagated to the whole world through the alliance network. No alliances, no world wars.
>>907799
>Kill Karl Marx
>Kill Princip
That was easy.
Cut Germany's balls off after ww1.
Maintain a strong military to deter German stupidity.
Make German pay denbts.
You'd have to go back in time to keep the Byzantines from sending Balkan troops to occupy Armenia instead of allowing the local army to keep the Turks out of Anatolia
This would remove the need for a crusade
And in turn the Teutonic knights wouldn't found Prussia leading to the eventual Franco-Prussian war and all the ramifications of that leading to WWI & II
>>907802
wew lad
>kill the guy that killed alexander the great
>be living in on new macedonia on mars protectorate of the united macedonian solar order
>>907799
Start a smaller war that uses trench and chemical warfare.
>>907799
Preventing the European theatres of war would be easy. Just prevent German unification, kill off Bismarck and I'd doubt there was anybody else who had either the skill or means to do what he did at the time.
No Germany, much less tension in Europe. Although we'd likely see competition and tension between France and Britain.
Preventing the Pacific Theatre? Maybe if Japan had a better relationship with the west or it was never able to become a serious power.
>>907820
>Prevent the opening of Japan
>1943 rolls around and they're still samurai and shit
Don't let Ferdinand's driver take that alternate route while driving. Don't fuck over Germany as much after WWI
>>907840
Why would that be a bad thing? Samurai would be like fucking jedi, deflecting bullets with their katana and cutting guns in two
>>907807
I like this explanation solely for mentioning the Franco-Prussian war and it's effect on ww1 and 2.
>>907852
Alright, then cut all alliances before the war
>>907846
Sounds like a plan to me.
>>907799
German-British alliance seemed fairly likely had the Kriegsmarine build up not happened over the 1890's. Hell, the British and Germans were willing to work together in East Africa in terms of colonialism, just as an example of how tight they were getting. The alliance would have likely assured the Russians to stand down in 1914 as the French probably wouldn't have stood up.
>>907912
Nope. British Hostility to Germany predates the German Naval Armaments program. In fact, an alliance with the British was the stated goal of Tirpitz.
>>907799
Let Napoopan achieve single hegemony in Europe.
>>907811
Alexander is dead by illness while retreatig
>>908003
That's what they wanted you to think. He was really assassinated by a discontent soldier who just wanted to go home.
>>907863
What did he mean by this
ww2 maybe could have been prevented if America stayed neutral in the first war because it is unlikely that any side would achieve total victory and they treaty would not have been as one sided. But Germany had to be autistic and sink some dumb boat. Who knows though maybe if Germany wasn't punished as heavily they would have eventually tried the same shit again seeing as they kind of have a track record .
>>907799
What if the German Empire continued Bismarck's foreign policies, instead of going full two-front war and colonization? The country would have maintained better relations with Russia and Britain, making the Entente alliance less likely.
>>908030
the*
>>908030
i think you overestimate the impact of the american entry into the war, and underestimate the absolutely dire circumstances germany found itself in - their spring offensives were halted with no or minimal american boots on the ground, and already before they were launched german manpower was depleted, its food and supply stocks gone etc.
perhaps there might not have been the equivalent of the hundred days offensive but it was game over for germany before the americans joined the war
>>907799
Tell Britain that they can't keep India indefinitely. Once they accept this, there's no reason for them to keep appeasing Russia, so they stay allied to Germany. Core European peace is maintained.
>>907799
>Hard-Mode: You aren't allowed to assassinate any of the Axis leadership.
Am I allowed to cure him of cancer?
>>907799
Come on, you are doing this on purpose OP. You have a hidden propaganda to awaken the hidden furries on unsuspecting Anons. Admit it.
I am not responsible for my boner, you are at fault here, OP. You should feel bad, you know? Now I want to deep throat a rabbit, what am I supposed to do?
>>908665
I'd call you a subhuman but you'd probably like that, kill yourself nonetheless
>>908003
He died in Babylon after drinking to much (probably liver failure) because his boyfriend died, he wasn't retreating and had virtually won the world already
>>907799
I have a feeling that killing Napoleon at birth would completely change the 19th century, with stronger France and Austria keeping Prussia in check.
>>908674
>kill yourself nonetheless
But I am quite happy with my life, plus I am a healthy young man. I think I am going to put my virility to good use on /trash/.
I bet there's a couple sweet threads about Zootopia so I can full metal jack it, if you know what I mean.
>>908687
don't spill it on other boards then you freaky cunt
>>908700
Well, I am not the one posting furry creatures on a board about history, am I?
Now please, stop derailing the thread with your mindless hatred to a very common sexual fetish. Did a fox rape your mom of something?
>>908710
>sees a random animal, real or no, anywhere
>wants to fuck it
>tells people how he wants to fuck it
right, I derailed
invest in a rope
>>908710
>a very common sexual fetish
In your dreams maybe. Your fetish is gore tier at best.
>>908713
>Sees a random animal posting out of topic response on a thread that had none so far
>Decides to chime in and help derail it even further
>He claims no responsibility for his actions
Kiddo please, consider a tactical retreat. I do not believe your mind could handle getting your ass served by a furry. Otherwise it will be you investing in a rope, the ones used for hanging.
>>908728
>Your fetish is gore tier at best.
Hyperbole.
>>908731
the OP had an animal you silly cunt, do you fly off into an autistic fit everytime an unrelated image to a thread topic is added in the OP?
>>908743
Maybe I do, maybe I don't.
However the case might be, the truth is you decided to continue derailing the thread even though this much as been made aware to you in my previous posts. Have no doubt, when you where put with the choice of ignoring an out of topic sexual ramble about a fetish you disapprove of, or chime in to let everyone know how superior your tastes are, you chose to sink this ship down to the very bottom of the ocean, my sir.
You have been of worse effect to this thread by your knee jerk reaction to my presence, causing a bigger effect I could have ever achieved on my own, the hater became more cancerous than the tumor itself. That's insanity.
How proud are you?
>This whole thread
Never change 4chan
>>908742
>Hyperbole.
Eh, a quick look on ExHentai puts furry at 700 pages and guro at 200. Considering "furry" includes Liru tier shit and guro is a very restricted tag compared with gore proper, I'd say we're pretty much there.
>>908762
'twere just a helpful postulation for you to terminate your existence, forsooth
furries all type like self-important twats, my goal here is to honestly entice you to kill yourself or fuck off somewhere else
>>908765
>ExHentai
I was not aware of the existence of this website until now, it is heart warming to see you are as big of a sinner as your beloved furry here. What a little bastard you are.
Now, why don't you have a little search about the amount of threads dedicated to My little pony porn in precious website you use to wank yourself at night before going to bed.
Report back when you finish *wink wink*
>>908780
autism
>>908762
lol faggot
>>908775
>type like self-important twats
Hypocrisy has never found a more fertile soil, my dear. I believe it is obvious to anyone in this thread that your only goal here was to jerk your throbbing cock and shoot a horrendous holier than thou attitude, possibly encouraged by a deep need to fit in. I am hairy, not stupid.
Besides, how could you dare to advise for self-termination when your grammar is worse than that of a Syrian refugee who just finished raping your sister, sir?
Such drama.
>>908795
k
>>907799
Motivate Luther to incentivate massive jewish genocide in the XVI century
>All these Anons taking the bait
>Years spent in 4chan
>They still can't distinguish a troll for a genuine
>>908821
he was 100% genuine, I've met faggots like him in real life
>>908844
You meet with furries in real life?
>>908856
I knew one in secondary school, huge bloke with a literal neckbeard who clung to my small group of friends and always passive-aggressively tried to shave people off from the group who he didn't like
huge dickhead
>>908844
>>908856
>in real life?
What do you mean in real life, faggots? You think we are inside a simulation right now or something?
>>908865
Oh I see now dear, it wasn't that a fox raped your mommy, but that someone who used to bully you happened to be a furry! Fascinating, would you look at that, it seems it is occuring all over again, no wonder you had your jimmies in a rustle.
It will be ok, Anon. We can be friends if you'd like, I'll even let you smell my arsehole when we greet each other! What do you say? furrriends?
>>908883
nah that cunt got dropped by a small Filipino lad that I'm still friends with today
haven't heard from him since
>>908901
>>908901
Well Anon, I have to come out. I was never a furry, it was just a prank bro.
I did it to teach you the importance of not projecting your life experiences to everything you see, for old information cannot always be relied upon to judge new, incoming data. We must remain impartial to the best of our abilities, otherwise threads like these will fall victim to our egoistical passion to jerk off our massive, absolutely hetero throbbing big veiny no homo cocks.
A valuable lesson, I suspect you'd agree.
Now, if you'll excuse me....I've got some ''trash'' to deal with... *wink*
>>907803
You idiot. The exclusively punitive conditions of the Treaty of Versailles culminated in a political climate which required Hitler (or a similar figure) to aquire power and remilitarise Germany. Please don't pollute this board with uninformed opinions.
>>909062
>The exclusively punitive conditions of the Treaty of Versailles
Please DON'T pollute this board with uninformed opinions.
>>907799
> Hard-Mode: You aren't allowed to assassinate any of the Axis leadership.
Make World Revolution happen after WWI.
>>909078
Dispute this claim. You're still contributing nothing of value to this thread. How was Treaty of Versailles not exclusively punitive? How was the French reclamation of Alsace-Lorraine (territory captured by Germany 40 years prior) relevant to the damages caused during World War One, and not an intentional act designed to humiliate Germany further? By citing these examples, I'm validating my assertions. To imply that the Treaty of Versailles wasn't exclusively punitive (without refutation) is still uninformed, and you're still an idiot.
>>907803
so bluepilled it hurts
>>907801
Yes. No Jewish globalization and you have no wars.
>>910427
>Dispute this claim.
Not him but while not entirely wrong it's a narrow minded viewpoint. While the excessive punitive claims enforced on Germany were partly to blame for the rise of fascism and the NAZI party there's no reason to suggest that what worked after WW2 ("cutting their balls off" and occupation) Wouldn't have worked in 1918 as well.
It's not so much that Versailles was "overly harsh" it's that it was a half measure.
>>910855
maybe because this is an imageboard
>calling that shitfest an argument
the best way to trivialize statements made by a furry is to let him keep making them, they're all faggots
First time I visit /his/ and a thread becomes baited by a furry. You guys are like /b/
>>907803
that's literally what they did you daft cunt
>>907799
remove juden
>There are people on here that think Princip is at fault for starting WW1
>They don't know that tensions had been running high across Europe for nearly a decade before Princip even held a gun
>people on here don't know that England, France, Germany, Belgium, and Russia were all planning various alliances and invasions because muh expansionism and that fact that there hadn't been a war in a while (barring that silly Japanese-Russian war).
>mfw every single nation involved in WW1 was at fault for WW1, Princip was just collateral
>>907799
Free trade.
>>910855
>Implying people in real life don't use a myriad of facial expressions, like the well known ''shit-eating grin'' specially common during banter.
Come on, I know you are a socially reclusive fagget, but try harder.
>>907799
Unite the steppes under one Khan.
>>911174
>There are people who don't know that WW1 was avoidable
>There are people who don't know that several times in the late 1800s/early 1900s war was averted
>People on here don't know that the British and French had no interest in the war and did everything they could to prevent it
>mfw Austria, Germany, and Russia are to blame for , Princip was just collateral
>>907799
I never masturbated to cartoon animals before
>>910427
Except you don't even know what Fischer thesis is, and giving outdated assertion. It's not punitive enough considering what the Germans did. It's like Caudine Forks, it's humiliating but didn't do any significant damages to Germany as to render them weak. By the end of the war, Germany still has the best industry of Europe, with their core territory intact, instead of being partitioned like the Austria-Hungary. Their economy actually grew after the hyperinflation, and they could pay some of the war reparation. This is because the Entente considered the ability of Germany to pay denbts, too. Instead, they spent it on rearmament. Heck, where do you think the Nazi got the money from?
Again, we should stop polluting this board with uninformed opinion, like you said. Stop pretending to be an oldfag here, I know you're new here, and didn't bother to lurk before you post. You're wasting my time.
>>911616
It's because we've had this discussion only two weeks ago.
>>907799
1. Kaiser Wilhelm doesn't start either Moroccan crisis.
Basically he tried to create an international incident, but the Prussia citizen he was going to rescue didn't cross through France fast enough to beat the fleet sent to rescue him from Morocco.
2. Prussia doesn't try to compete with Britain's naval supremacy. Establishes trade deal with grandma Vicki instead.
3. England backs and covers up Prussian diplomatic incompetence vis a vis Franz Ferdinand and Austria due to family loyalty. Prussia backs down, Moltke gets deported to the East front where he can rage about sucking Slav cock alone.
WWI prevented.
1. No Treaty of Paris.
1a. No massive punitive war debt.
Given the above as well, England goes to bat to maintain justice internationally. It was the saber rattling by Prussia and the bungled agent provocateurism that made it look bad for England to maintain the balance.
WWII prevented.
Basically Kaiser Wilhelm needed to be more of a momma's boy and less of an alpha wannabe. Even Prussia would have done better out of it as England hates France. Wilhelm's incompetence gave them reason to protect them instead.
>>911683
Alternatively, Woodrow Wilson stays healthy and manages to make even a failed stand on his fourteen points.
A friendless Prussia will grab for a Hitler and war. A Prussia with diplomatic options would pursue international arrangements and detente.
>>910843
The reason Germany's reconstruction phase was successful (realitve to the Treaty of Versailles) was that the Allies were significantly more involved in their economic and cultural recovery. Throughout Berlin's 43 year division, both Soviet and American soldiers were present, and their respective governments were never granted full sovereignty .
This is as opposed to the Weimar Republic, which was left to its own devices and would collapse by 1933. The Germans had displayed a preference for an authoritarian government (evidenced by Hindenburg's election in 1925), so the population was never inclined to respect their democratic government. Furthermore, this Allied attempt to reconfigure their society failed because each nation placed a greater emphasis on their individual reconstruction.
While I agree that the Treaty of Versailles was not the exclusive reason for the failure of the Weimar Republic, it's conditions and the consequences associated were.
I'll explain it like this:
>>910843
>>911616
The Treaty of Versailles resulted in the concession of the territories acquired by Germany during World War One, in addition to land previously considered German. Areas of cultural and economic significance, including the Saarland and sections of West Prussia, were distributed amongst the victors. The nation lost 13% of its European territory (equating to 1/10th of its population) as well as its colonies throughout Africa. This, compounded with the French reclamation of Alsace-Lorraine (acquired by Germany 40 years prior) resulted in the overwhelming humiliation of Germany. This was a significant aspect of Hitler's political rhetoric, and he consciously harnessed this sentiment to his own ends.
>>910843
>>911616
As a consequence of these concessions of territory, The Weimar Republic was without the natural resources to function effectively as an economy, and was forced to subsist on the monetary loans of the USA. As a result, Germany suffered terribly during the period of hyperinflation in 1923, and the Great Depression in 1929.
This ensured that Germany never fully recovered from the First World War, and it was only after 1933, when Hitler was elected president, that conditions for the civilians began to improve, and that occurred through Hitler's annexing of Hungry, re-militarisation of the Rhineland and the invasion of Czechoslovakia.
>>911616
>With their core territory intact.
How can you be so painfully stupid?
While Germany retained the majority of its territory, economically significant sections (such as the coalfields of the Rhineland) were required to export their excavated resources to France.
>>911767
Looks like you don't even have the ability to read a compound sentence.
>>911616
>Their economy actually grew after the hyperinflation, and they could pay some of the war reparation.
Once again, you've proven yourself a complete idiot with a rudimentary understanding of European history.
This period of economic growth you're referring to occurred between 1924-1929. If you weren't stupid, you would understand that Germany was able to pay some of its reparations because of the Dawes Plan in 1924 (rescheduling payments to become more reasonable - the opposite of what you propose), and the Locarno Treaty in 1925 (coming to an agreement with the French on their borders, which assisted in coal excavation by ending the worker strikes).
Hobby historians like you really need to get off this board.
>>911784
I was criticising your implication that Germany was able to function economically (objectively false) as their territory remained intact. My point was that, regardless of their territory, Germany was still crippled economically, as the proceeds of their coal industry would automatically be given to the French. The fact that you couldn't understand the point I was making is furthe proof that you're an idiot.
if germany was "crippled economically", how come they enjoyed economic stabilization and growth during the twenties? despite paying reparations? how come research shows they would have been entirely capable of paying reparations had they wished to do so in good faith? how come they remained the nation with the highest gdp on the continent? how come you spout off pseudohistoric memery on /his/ without even having read anything about the subject, e.g. the myths of reparations by sally marks?
>>907799
>Is there any way that the World Wars could have been prevented?
2nd could be easily prevented if Germany would get balkanised and the higher and this time actually executed reparations spread uneven in arbitrary fashion between the new states.
>>907799
I need to fuck that Rabbit
Actually follow the 14 points at the end of WWI instead of fucking over Germany for simply respecting an alliance with the shit-tier Austro-Hungarian "Empire".
>implying they should have been avoided
>implying they weren't a necessary paradigm shift
>>913659
I think escalating the situation and invading Belgium and France cannot be dismissed as "simply respecting an alliance". After all several crises in the Balkans had happened in the years leading up to WW1 and not a single one of those spilled into a world war.
Short term
>kill that serb and eventually make the eu out of the alliance web
Long term
>ottomans cede greek and balkan terretories as protectorates, hungary then blobs
Really Long Term
>byzantium never falls
Super duper long term
>crusades succeed in establishing catholics in the holy land and they expand
Mega long term
>mohammed dies choking on sand
Super mega long term
>rome never falls
I went back in time and killed arch duke Ferdinand
Did that work?
>>914135
This
There is a reason they called it a powder keg. Anything could have sparked the war
It was only a matter of time for ww1 to happen, and it was the aftermath of ww1 that caused ww2
Do you could do massive things like make there be less alliances, but even if they weren't on paper it would have happened
>>907799
There are too many advances in the medical fields to warrant not having the World Wars. Not to mention numerous other technological advancements that might not have happened due to 'getting an upper hand' over the enemy.
War breeds innovation.
>>907799
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>Anonymous 03/30/16(Wed)02:30:24 No.9077
assisinate churchill stalin and roosevelt.
I wonder how things would have changed if a (relatively) smaller war had broken out after machine guns but before WW1.
It might not have prevented WW1 outright, but if everyone had gotten a taste of how bad warfare in that era was going to be, perhaps everyone would've had a stronger incentive to avoid it.
