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How did one nation fall so far?
moslems
>>906485
Mughal Empire?
>>906475
BUILD TOILET
>>906503
*Worship toilet
they seem to be doing alright
>>906475
>India
>One Nation
>not dozens of nations forced together under one Pan-Hindu fuckfest
Bad infrastructure
They didn't really fall so much as fail to advance.
If you compare them to Maoist China, or Civil War era China, they kick ass.
If you compare them to Deng and later era China, they suck.
A fair comparison might be to Indonesia, or Sub-Saharan Africa.
Weak government, huge amount of linguistic and cultural diversity, growth finding it hard to reach out into the hinterlands.
>>906493
Wasn't India still a world power and successful under the Mughals?
They were never that powerful to begin with, this is the mistake that people who want to prop up non-European cultures make, that all of them were equal to Europe. The only real rivals to European civilization at any point in time from the Greco-Roman period and beyond were Near Eastern and East Asian civilizations.
>>906600
This desu.
>>906839
Diversity is fine and so long as you are pluralistic enough.
>>906842
There you have it
>True diversity has never been tried!
>>906475
Fall far from what? And it's not really one nation, historically speaking. One nation India is a colonial invention. It's amazing they can keep it together.
>>906839
You have to pull a 'Murica and integrate everyone under a common culture/loyalty.
Melting Pot > Multicult
>t. burgerclap
>>906844
>look at all of those multicultural empires that lasted for centuries and prospered but they eventually fell so obviously it was multiculturalism's fault
>>906949
>Rome
Destroyed by Germanic migrants.
>Habsburg
Serbian nationalists.
Yup.
>>906976
>Germanic migrants
>>906475
>one nation
there's your problem rajesh
>>906485
Kek if anything the Muslims tried to civilize that shithole.
>>906945
That's what India is in the process of doing.
>>906976
You do realize that Rome was massively multicultural since 0 ac? It had gauls, greeks, punics, iberians, macedonians, thracians, illyrians, egyptians, jews, etc. They didnt all instantly started speaking latin and wearing togas the second they got conquered. It took centuries for that. And Rome was prosperous those centuries.
>>907012
Abdul pls
>>907033
It's true tho
>>907080
>native hindu rule
Arent those pics from congress era?
Congress were leftist liberal marxists, not even hindus.
Also
>cherrypicking
You can also stamp thousands of other architecture before the mughal era, not even including the ones destroyed by islamic invasions
>>907080
damn...
>>906475
East India Company.
Then the Raj.
Put it this way, India was 20% of global GDP in 1750, it was 2% in 1950. That's what British rule does to a country.
>>906475
>one nation
>>906813
*desi
>>907178
Maybe it's not because India declined, but because the industrial revolution caused the economic output of the West explode?
In other words, the pie got WAY bigger
>>907178
>implying the British did more harm than good
mmm yes impressive
>>906976
Rome is not an ethnic identity in its late period.
>>907189
Its both actually
Its also actually the reason how britain got so much economically relevant, and entire subcontinent's economy was now a tiny island's economy
>>907189
And British rule in India made sure this didn't happen there.
They had to tax the native textile industry in India out of existence before imported British cloth was competitive. Would a native Indian government have made the same policy decision, or would they have tried to enrich India with their policy decisions?
>>907197
They definitely did more harm than good.
You don't have to invade or occupy people you are helping. Wouldn't they invite you in?
>>906976
You can't apply modern ideas of ethnic conflict to ancient rome you fucking idiot
>>906945
dis nigga knows
assimilate or fuck off
>>906475
>Nation
It's a subcontinent of multiple cultures forced together.
>>907241
mmm yes thanks for being the 10th poster to point this out
>>907080
>cherry picking fallacy with the overused picture meme
Assertion disregarded.
>>907245
Your input was useful, thanks bud.
>>907241
>forced
nope
>>906945
>america
>mexicans, blacks
>integrated
lol
>>907263
You know America is amazingly culturally homogeneous, right?
You might have a point with first generation Hispanic immigrants, but blacks are basically standard Southern culture with a different color skin on the outside.
>>906493
Mughals built alot of shit though like the Taj Mahal, Red fort and Agra. While also making advancements in the fields of astronomy and engineering.
I mean, they still used schampoo back then cause of the alchemists unlike modern India.
But then again the founder hated the shit out of Mongols and Turks and tried to distance himself from them by being more "civilized" eventhough his mother was a direct descendant of Genghis Khan from the Chagatai lineage and his dads side was Timur the merciful.
>>907284
t. Mohammed
>>907281
Blacks clearly have a different culture than whites in america. Hell, they even have their own dialect (ebonics)
>>907257
K believe what you will.
>>907291
Okay, an offshoot of southern culture. Southerners have a dialect too.
If whites and blacks have this apparently huge culture divide, it's a divide that puts one group of whites on this side, and one group of whites and most blacks on the other.
>>907289
>mudshit
>supporting the great grandchild of the two people that cucked them out of historical existance so they become second hand to turkic converts
still, great retort
>>907291
Black people widely consider themselves American, even if they feel separate from whites.Considering they had their culture removed from them forcibly, the only thing they can be is American.
>>907299
>an offshoot of southern culture
no. You misunderstand. Black culture is formed in places like nyc or chicago, big northern cities, not the south
>>907304
>widely consider themselves American
Nope.
A lot of them insist on being called 'AFRICAN-American'. They like to be VERY clear on that distinction. They clearly dont see themselves as JUST american, but african american
>>907306
You mean when they moved to these places from the south in the last half century or so?
Yeah, but it's still southern culture, just in northern cities.
>>907313
That distinction was the result of whites enforcing the distinction. It's still American, regardless of racial separation. African American is culturally more American than African.
>>907313
Black people don't give a shit about Africa.
They don't speak the language, they don't have any of the cultural traits, they sure as hell don't want to go back.
I've never met a black person who seriously thought of themselves as African in any way.
>>907313
They're almost as bad as Jews or Irish...
>>907316
hood culture is the most prevalent form of black culture now, and it clearly has nothing to do with the south, sorry. Its completely based in big northern cities
>>907303
It's like people are forgetting Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and the myriad of other failed Islamic states.
>>907320
>That distinction was the result of whites enforcing the distinction
Bull fucking shit. You have no idea what youre talking about. Whites called them 'negroes' or 'niggers'. Blacks were the ones who insisted on being called African american because muh heritage
>>907333
>Whites called them 'negroes' or 'niggers'.
> Blacks were the ones who insisted on being called African american because muh heritage
Lol fuck them for trying to rid themselves of a dehumanizing label. The status of blacks in America who try to find some kind of kinship with Africa is the result of being shoved out of society by whites.
>>907353
>it was forced on them
>nevermind lol they did it because the other names were degrading
nice flip flop
>>907186
laugh out loud
>>907356
You're completely right. They were never forced to do anything. Whites had nothing to do with the dehumanizing labeling which blacks only got rid of because of "muh heritage".
>>907325
Hood culture is literally southern culture transplanted to the city.
>Soul food restaurants
>obsession with firearms
You want to know why black people are so agressive? Google culture of honor. African American's assimilated into white, specifically Scott Irish culture, and started to care about stupid shit like honor. That's why they chimp out at every little thing
>>907365
How is the term 'negro' dehumanizing? It's just the spanish word for 'black'. I think you need to spend some time off the internet, mr social justice warrior
>>907375
>black people are actually influenced by scottish irish culture
lol thanks for the kek
>>907382
Negro and it's derivative nigger carried all the negative connotations that whites had about blacks. Negro is a Spanish word meaning black, which is what the slave traders used to refer to the Africans they trafficked. Why use a Spanish word meant for slaves in an English speaking country if you want to consider blacks as equals? This "blacks hold themselves back" nonsense is pretty typical of uninformed conservatives who can't accept historical truth.
>>907389
It's true bruh.
Hillbillies = white niggers
One deals in moonshine the other deals in drugs
>>907420
>uninformed conservatives
And you're the enlightened liberal? whining about your feelings, straight up making up shit, and grasping at straws does not make you right.
I wish there was a way to track the ages of people who visit 4chan, and the boards they frequent.
I'd bet /his/ has at least a 10+ year age gap between here and say, /tv/.
This thread is proof of that.
>>907337
>UK
No it didn't
>Spain
Not nearly as many as in India
>France
Same as above
>Germany
No it didn't
>>906976
>Ignoring corruption, plague, and centuries of internal instability prior to it's fall
>Ignoring the fact that Austria-Hungary was the fastest growing economy in Europe and was dissolved by the entente
Get out
>>907473
*prior to Rome's fall
>>907337
We fought wars that made us get beyond that tribalist shitshow. They didn't.
>>906475
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>>907439
>mfw I browse /tv/ and I've posted in this thread
go back to r*ddit and leave the funposting to us oldfags.
>>907488
No one has btfo India as hard as this nigga.
>>907488
>>907683
massive faggot desu. "Hey guise I just sacked the capital of a dying empire busy dealing with constant revolts ...such a military genius rite??"
Why do Persians latch on to anyone mildly relevant as some kind of great genius
>>907777
Outnumbered 6 to 1 nigger.
>constant revolts
Lel the pooloo Marathis weren't the issue. They had inferior tactics and weaponry, and subsequently got btfo by Persia leading to further gaping by the Brits.
>>907186
gnated
>>907337
>>907476
>Savages
>Tribals
Do you know what a Raja is? A king. A raj? A Kingdom.
And India had many of those. Spread across the SUBCONTINENT the size of Europe, with their own cultures, languages, and beliefs.
India isn't like China (proper), it's more like what would happen if you put all European Nations in one fucking state.
There's a reason why India is a fucking federal union of states organized around cultural-linguistic and even ethnic lines.
>>908218
No Indians were fucking nigger tier savages until the english civilised them.
There's a reason there's no history about them, cause they did fuck all aside from shit on the floor in their fucking mud huts.
Let's see what they contributed before the English came:
Science: Fucking nothing
Literature: Fucking nothing
Architecture and Art: A few shitty drawings of elephant men
Culture: How NOT TO POO IN A LOO. KEK.
>>908303
>No Anglos were fucking nigger tier savages until the Normans civilised them.
>There's a reason there's no history about them, cause they did fuck all aside from shit on the floor in their fucking mud huts
>>908307
No but Anglos actually had culture and literature and shit you fucking dumbass retard. Do some research before you try and attack christians.
>>908311
>Anglo """"Culture""""
>Literally every classical piece of music, opera, art, is produced in the continent
Daily reminder Protestantism is a cultural dead end.
>>908311
Culture like living in wood huts, lol.
>>908303
>this whole post
>>906475
Don't you need to be up high in order to fall?
>>907284
>astronomy
>useful
Nope
>>908303
>this is what the average anglo ACTUALLY believes
>>907284
>Taj Mahal
I like how a Persian architect designed it.
>>908303
What about spices?
Why are people from Afghanistan called Aghani, but people from Pakistan aren't called Paki?
>>906475
An idiot conservative hindu culture that refuses to modernize.
Think I just summed up all of india that doesn't live in a major city.
>>907337
More like India = united Europe
>>908303
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Indian_inventions_and_discoveries
>>910859
Of course it is idiot.
Mughals were descendants of muslim invaders.
They just burn down shit everywhere they go and start building their mosques there
because the native poointheloos couldnt run their own country for shit, aurangzeb should have genocided all those shitters, akbar was a faggot cuck
>>907466
>UK
Brythons, Romans, Saxons, Picts, Welsh, Scots, Jutes, Danes, Irish, Normans. That's Celtics, Latins, and Nordics all mixed together on an archipelago (i.e. no easy route to migrate away). Not to mention the pagan Celtic/Nordic and Catholic/Anglican/Presbyterian divisions.
>>912520
Taj mahal is not a mosque
>>911452
They are called Pakistani
>>907466
>UK
>didn't
The UK was literally a fucking union of 4 separate ethnicities.
>>911452
They are, but it became a derogatory term when they started moving to Britain, Canada and other countries.
>>907322
>I've never met a black person who seriously thought of themselves as African in any way.
Where do you live? I live in Saint Louis and a sizable chunk of "conscious" blacks denounce their American nationality and insist on being called African. I'm pretty sure the Nation of Islam pushes that Pan-African Identity shit heavily as well.
>>906475
>India
>Nation
Not all nations have states, not all states are nations.
>>906475
Muslims made it a nation to begin with..
India had cool religious ideas 2500 years ago but they havent produced anything of worth since then. I guess besides carpets.
>>914966
The only correct answer
>>906647
Not really.
>>912540
India is actually richer than it was 50 years ago under British rule. Extreme poverty used to be +50%, not it is down to 7% and projected to fall to 0% by 2022.
GDP as Value Added:
British Era: .07%
Nehru Era: 1.78%
Post-Nehru Era: 3%
1991-Present Era: +7%
>>906475
Geopolitics
>>916767
>GDP present era
7% calculated by non-biased and trustworthy Indian Government Statistics Bureau.
>>916821
More like the IMF and World Bank.
India is the fastest growing major economy in 2015, and will probably continue as such for the next decade.
>>916832
>Ireland
Based.
>>916839
>Being a tax haven
Cheating, desu.
>>916832
Wouldn't the IMF and the World Bank get the stats from the Indian bureau?
>>916832
Thanks for the information.
>>906619
Dengist is a direct successor to Maoist China, you can't have the later without the former. Americans and assblasted "exiles" can't understand this but Mao deserves most of the credit for turning the world's biggest, most regressive dung heap into a world power that's about 3 moves from checkmating the US at its own game.
>>916846
Partly.
They also pull from a basket of publicly available information.
Remember companies have to post quarterly reports, and import/exports can be easily measured. Same with energy consumption and tax income.
GDP is only difficult to measure in countries that are totally sealed off like in Central Africa or North Korea.
>>906475
Liberalism desu
>>916852
Mao turned a failed state into an even bigger failed state.
Den was the one who turned the dung heap into a world power.
Mao didn't need to really happen. He just saw the opportunity after the Japanese had obliterated his competition while he remained hidden in the shadows.
>>916860
No. They base their estimates upon what they expect the government statistics to announce.
That's why even though they estimated 6.8% for China in 2015, they changed their 2015 stats to say 6.9% as announced by the government.
In 2014 the IMF predicted 7.5% and later changed it to 7.4% according to the Chinese government.
Then last year China changed 2014 growth to 7.3% and the IMF changed as well.
It's an estimate for the future, but they are trying to predict the government's announced numbers. The same happens for America.
>>916868
Yeah no. They were in united front 1937-1944.
The Communists did their share of the fighting with their share of the forces.
Mao unified China and destroyed it so that someone could make it anew.
No. That was not his plan. He was an overall failure to achieve his dreams of Communist utopia.
But he unknowingly set up the nation that Deng and friends were able to turn into a global power. The China of today culture/politics/society is nothing like the imperial China dynasties of the past. It is much more of a nation state than a civilization.
>>916868
Wrong.
>>916962
Pretty much right except for the ideologue nonsense calling Mao a failure and claiming Mao tried to do anything except build socialism (no, not utopian). Maoist policy didn't just set up Deng- all Deng did was force control of the party and redirect it toward liberal reforms of the systems created during Mao's era. Yet even with direct political control and justifying his coup by criticizing Mao, Deng Xiaoping Theory formulation was extremely careful to offering itself as an Orthodox Marxist addition to Mao Zedong Thought. Which it is.
>>916938
The basis is not simply unverifiable, though.
Changing 7% to 6% on recalculation is possible. But a mass disparity is simply unlikely. There are a number of publicly available indicators.
Even IMF and World Bank put out different estimations for GDP growth, but both are usually very close to the actually real GDP growth.
There is no reason to believe the Indian numbers are cooked. On hard metrics like road construction, consumer spending, energy consumption, etc. they are all up.
>>916962
Mostly revisionist history.
He didn't really HAVE to precede Deng at all. There is no reason for it. Modernization would have happened under any leader progressive.
Communists never contributed very much to the war efforts. They avoided the calamity and took advantage of all the starving peasants to build up a base.
>>917005
Yes but I was trying to convince the idelogue by throwing a few juicy adjectives in.
What's interesting is how little the basic system of China's government control of the nation has changed since 1991.
>>917044
Once the growth stops coming the CPC will fall.
People will not accept lack of control if they do not see their quality of life improving.
>>906475
Can someone explain to me why Pakistan exists? I know its only tangentially related here.
>>917056
Muslims in India
>>917059
Yeah but even know its an incredibly unstable nation and its boarders also make zero sense.
>>917017
http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2015/02/03/even-the-rbis-rajan-is-confused-by-indias-new-gdp-numbers/
>India’s statistics ministry dropped a bombshell revision of recent GDP data Friday evening, provoking some head-scratching among economists trying to make sense of the incredible (in both senses of the word) new numbers. Growth of 6.9% in the 2014 fiscal year instead of 4.7%!
>Had we all been “horribly wrong” about the Indian economy? Was the previous, Congress party-led government voted out on specious premises? Were the data fudged?
>On Tuesday, Raghuram Rajan kept a cooler head.
>“I don’t want to say anything about the numbers until we understand them better,” the Reserve Bank of India governor told reporters after announcing his decision to hold the policy interest rate at 7.75%. He said it would be “premature to take a strong view” based on the updated data. The central bank also kept its forecast for GDP growth for the year that ends next month at 5.5%—and, notably, continued to report the forecast using the old base year.
>indian culture
>>917038
Oh then tell me who was going to unify China?
Not the guy who lost 40 million people fighting the Chinese.
And no. The Communists fought the Chinese many times with a far smaller force. RoC historians acknowledge the Communists major role in the second Sino-Japanese war.
Don't try bullshitting people on /his/. We aren't all ideologues.
>>917052
Yeah because that happened in 1998.
Or 1958.
1968?
1977?
1989?
Yeah fuck off. The CCP has the guns and EVERYONE in China knows that.
>>917071
Cont*
>Mr. Rajan, like others, pointed to the preponderance of other data that show continued stagnation that year: falling imports, sluggish auto sales. “We find it hard to see the economy as rollicking in 2013-14,” he said.
>“I am puzzled by the new GDP growth numbers,” said Arvind Subramanian, the government’s chief economic adviser, in an interview with the Business Standard newspaper. He noted that the year that ended March 2014 was a crisis year for India, the year of the “taper tantrum,” capital outflows, the roiled rupee and RBI monetary tightening.
>>917098
>Yeah fuck off. The CCP has the guns and EVERYONE in China knows that.
So did all the other countless dynasties and kingdoms of the past. CCP is not invincible. Cracks show every now and then.
>Oh then tell me who was going to unify China?
RoC. China still isn't unified if you consider Taiwan as part of China. But most Taiwanese people don't want to reunite with China anymore. So it might never happen.
CPC and communist sympathizers have tried to change the narrative of Mao many times. Now he is a 'necessary evil'.
>>907024
So what your saying is that Germanics destroy everything good ever in the history of the world... Makes sense
>>906475
I don't know, but their culture sucks ass. It's like they keep caring about irrelevant stuff like having big weddings and playing cricket instead of doing something useful for their country.
Plus, this idea they have that installing toilets inside the house is anti-hygienic, is insane.
