Did colonialism turn Africa into shit, and why did it not fuck up Singapore then?
>something effects a massive continent differently than a city state
>>897409
The answer is simple
>niggers
>>897419
this
and Singapore was and still is a major port city so no wonder it's doing alright
>>897409
Singapore's meteoric rise to relevancy was almost entirely due to Lee Kuan Yew's genius statecraft.
The nubian empire was the mightiest one the earth had ever seen, prior to white colonization the africans were kings and also many other things
I know this from my totally not biased and totally not afrocentric uni history class professor who also happens to be the leader of the local blm chapter
>>897409
Lee Kuan Yew. Obviously.
If you knew anything at all about Singapore you wouldn't even be asking this question.
>>897437
> And Singapore was and still is a major port city so no wonder it's doing alright
This. I don't see how one could actually fuck up Singapore unless you outlaw all form of trade.
>>897409
It's easy for a dictator to rule an advantageously located island city state and do it well compared to say a continent.
Tribal level systems only work when you don't have guns - so a dictator can get mobbed to death
When you take over a country and leave the tribal system in place you get dictatorships
Also if you then have the elite kids sent abroad they get addicted to western standards but lose any sense of responsibility and just loot the nation
>>897475
Annex it into Malaysia, so it would actually have to pay the cost of being it's main center of trade.
>>897475
Well, it could be worse off than it is today, and I do have to admit Lee Kuan Yew was a nimble navigator, but to suggest that the country with the highest GDP per capita in Asia at the time of its independence would have been nothing without LKY is farcical.
>>897419
affects
>>897457
Well, they co-ruled Egypt on & off for a while, before winding up on the poop end of the broomstick.
But they were pretty based at the time, and when you consider how long ago that was, as that there's still a Nubian people that conservatively stuck to their migratory nomadic herdsman culture through all that time and are still making that same migration doing the same dances and singing the same songs stopping at their same spots with their bulls enjoying a pretty fuckin peachy way of life, well that's pretty cool.
Not that American negroes have anything at rucking all in common with those people but the color of their skin or give a fuck about them in any way.
>Africa got worse after colonialism so it proves blacks are inferior, colonialism didn't cause them to fuck up, it was them!
>Singapore got markedly better after colonialism so this doesn't prove Singaporeans are superior but rather that was because of colonialism!
Strong doublethink desu.
>>897575
To be fair there only 3 groups of people who think Africans are congenitaly incapable of maintaining a civilization and also idolize the Singaporean model of Westernization: neoreactionaries, Hoppean "libertarians" and Chinese Singaporeans.
>>897409
Lim Yew Hock purged Singapore of commies.
>>897409
Singapore's a small city state, not the same size as a continent and can't be compared to Africa other than having a colonial past.
In regards to Africa, colonialism exacerbated and even created some of the clashes we're seeing and have seen. Mixed this with nations abundant in natural resources that can be captured/looted and exported easily combined with most extreme poverty and you have yourself the key ingredients for constant conflict as seen in many African states.
>>897409
the job was far enough ahead in Africa it couldn't be stopped without fucking things up then a whole mess of shit happened that stopped the colonial empires from making it at least some what decent
>>897409
Because 90% of asians are smarter than the average black person.
>>897575
You're projecting pretty hard friend
Why do /pol/acks have such a difficult time avoiding this absurd image of Africa. "lol look at this one picture of a mudhut niggers are cleeeearly inferior." Is every bit as retarded and myopic as "we waz kings and sheit".
Turns out the way initial conditions effect a very rapid stratification and growth in a very short period of time can make entire regions look ridiculous if they ended up drawing the circumstantial short straw.
Put it this way. Go back a few thousand years and place Sven and his aryan barbarian tribe into the middle of the Congo and see if they manage to build cities and take those Congolese and place them in the mild lands of central Europe at the nexus point of trade and technology flow in the old world and see if they don't end up building some nice cathedrals and engineering firearms first.
>>897776
By the way this is Asmara, the capital of Eritrea which is arguably the most impoverished country on Earth and while it's obviously not NYC it's most certainly not voodoo witch doctors in cloth loins slapping together mudhuts.
>>897632
>Ethopia was not a capitalist society at the time
wew
>>897706
Not really. Support of colonialism coupled with racism isn't exactly a rare opinion here.
>>897776
But a lot of /pol/acks agree that the Scandinavian were barbarians. They raped and pillaged, not unlike the Africans of today
t. /pol/tard
>>897892
The difference is that /pol/acks generally see African peoples' problems as somehow intrinsic. When the reality is probably a combination of biology and economic factors instead of straight-up inferiority.
>>897457
So, according to you, blacks didnt have, what we would call, kings? Or that somehow their kings werent black as the rest of them?
>>897905
Australia was inhabited by criminals though, yet look at it now. The aboriginals lived the same way for thousands of years, and they refused to change
>>897409
You should have seen the lines to see Lee Kuan Yew when he died
People in their 80s would wear full suits in 80-90 degree weather for 4 hrs just to pay respects
>>897409
because shut up you racist, that's why. don't question it. just accept you're racist.
>>897409
Uncolonized african countries aren't exactly more prosperous than their neighbors. Ethiopia, liberia, and haiti are substantially less prosperous than the most colonized african countries, south africa and rhodesia.
It wasn't colonialism. Europe is better land for p much everything except gold than Africa, same thing with American land vs Russian land.
>>897905
>biology
anon plz
>>897936
It's not like there are any indigenous grains the Aboriginals could have exploited. Australian crops and livestock are all imported.
>>897936
The aboriginals survived for tens of thousands of years in a climate that lacked any major domesticable animals or crops.
>>898005
The why didn't they make boats? They had the materials, same as Africa
>>897409
No it was shit to begin with.
But that being said colonialism in some ways held them back from developing.
>>897409
This is actually a very good question, so let me take a stab it this by first describing Singapore and its recent political history:
Much of the credit that should go to Lee Kuan Yew and his government, comes from his superior level of statesmanship and his pragmatic outlook on Singapore's place within the world economically and geopolitically. It is a myth that he single handedly made Singapore a rich country - it was already rich and he had a highly qualified team of leaders who aided him - specifically Goh Keng Swee, Toh Chin Chye and Sinnathamby Rajaratnam (among others) who helped crack down on its serious problems and make it more prosperous.
It should also be distinguished that Lee's demons were tampered down at least in the first twenty one to twenty five years of his rule when he had his team around him. In the western liberal media one will hear of a elitist and bullish dictator with no scruples. In general the truth was that his insecurities came from experiencing bigotry first hand in the United Kingdom - he speaks of being denied entry into several apartments because of the color of his skin during his time at the University of London and later at Cambridge and it also came from being nearly involved in a massacre by the Japanese during WW2.
Thing is that his cabinet helped tone down his less savory neuroses by opposing him when he wanted to marginalize Malays, or when he wanted to attack political enemies. After his ministers stepped down in the 1980s, his cabinet was filled with yes-men who made up younger generations of politicians who both feared and respected Lee. These younger men did not oppose him. If the Lee of the 1980s had taken power in 1959 it is highly likely Singapore would be as successful as it is today.
Source: Lee Kuan Yew's biographies and memoirs
>>898014
Because we understand that most, if not all of the earliest civilizations were based around the control of grain or other staples.
No control over stable food sources? No control over stable populations. No proto-state for you!
>>897936
>implying everyone in Australia is descended from criminals.
>implying the captains of industry, the senior civil servants and the major political leaders are descendants of criminals.
>implying being a criminal in the 19th century means you are biologically inferior and not a poor person stealing so as to not starve.
>>897980
Haiti is not an African country
>>898022
>Also, why is the intelligence and iq level low for them? They go to school and if they don't then they CAN go to school.
>The why didn't they make boats? They had the materials, same as Africa
You say that as if White people invented everything they had. Greeks got sailing and an alphabet, from Phonecians, astronomy from the middle east and Egypt, and Bronze from the Hittites. Aboriginals existed pretty much in isolation from everyone else.
And even if Aboriginals are inferior, I dislike the notion, common among /pol/acks of lazily insinuating that all non-whites are generally the same. Outside of Africa and Australia, non-whites had their own crops, civilizations, roads, writing systems, etc. They're every bit as capable as Whites.
>>898046
>Haiti is not an African country
It's basically an extension. If you believe the jared diamond narrative, it should be more prosperous because the french passed them over the agrarian transition point.
>>898052
Are you saying that "white" is a race? Preposterous. Middle easterners, are caucasians, same as most Europeans.
Also, the aboriginals had encounters with the pygmy people, from the oceanic islands. They weren't completely isolated.
>>898046
Those criminals were completely isolated. Then, they actually started making progress, and then the British government got involved
>>898052
They had crops in Africa as well, and even the aborigines in Australia did some minor slash and burn crop cultivation.
So let's talk about Singapore and Africa:
European Colonialism in Africa was very different than the more specific British Colonialism in Singapore. When Stamford Raffles founded Singapore in the early 19th century, he founded it with the express intention of making it into a moral, economic and political center of Asia. The roots of Singapore's culture of economic growth and strong social stability can be in some way traced back to the hopes and policies of Raffles, whose statues and namesakes are still maintained after decolonization in the former colonies of Malaya. Since the middle 19th century Singapore has been a home to Chinese, Malay and Indian immigrants and their descendants, as well as the creole offspring of Asians and Europeans. Chinese who came to Singapore were entrepreneurial and commercial minded people. They would lay the groundwork for Singapore's economic and social success as their confucian culture of education produced a managerial and office class that could work with international corporations, provide effective civil servants and of course become quality teachers.
On Africa on the other hand, varying Empires had varying policies and their colonies have had varying levels of decay. Almost none of the founders of colonies or major settlements in African empires saw these territories as places for economic experiments and moral or political bastions.
The mission to civilize meant wealth and resources for European powers and more generally saving "Africa from the Africans". The opinions of the average /pol/ user is generally how your average pith helmet colonial bureaucrat or merchant spewed concerning the Africans.
The few universities created were reserved for whites and non-blacks typically, and high quality institutions for Africans were few and far between - mostly missionary schools.
Generally Belgian, Portuguese, Spanish and German colonies were the worst, followed by France and the best arguably were the British.
>>898067
You do realize that Jared Diamond, in his book Collapse, writes specifically about why Haiti is such a shithole, right? You can't just throw his name in there as a buzzword because your too lazy too actually justify your racist baloney.
>>898079
The choices for deforestation came after the agrarian transition. The dominican republic doesn't have that problem.
>>898078
The Spanish and Portuguese did the same to South America, and didn't turn out as bad as Africa. Argentina and Uruguay are good countries.
>>898091
...Which he also writes about. Literally, there are two chapters devoted to contrasting the two and trying to understand why they turned out so differently.
>>898072
You know very little about African or Australian history and its painful.
How did Africans survive if they had no crops? What did Africans eat before Europeans or Arabs?
Are you telling me that there has been a massive conspiracy in museums and academia concerning agricultural habits of Africans? How did rice, okra, tania, blackeyed peas, and kidney and lima beans end up in the New World from Africa? Can you prove that whites did this?
Are you claiming that all Africans prior to 1800 were hunter gatherers?
As for Aboriginals, how could hundreds of tribes with different languages and no way of communicating with each other create a language?
Also do you think every non-black/aboriginal group have their own prehistoric solely created writing system?
If you make stupid mistakes and errors like this how can I now say this conversation has gone to bullocks.
>>898129
When did I say the africans didn't have crops? When did I say that africans prior to 1800 were hunter gatherers? I never claimed all of that. I didn't even talk about language
>>898095
So here's my rejoinder: Who's asking and what makes you a "good" country?
Uruguay, Brazil and Argentina are not the norms of South America. I can easily say look at Gabon, Namibia and Botswana those are good African countries but those are neither the norms of Africa.
In general South American countries had independence and a national identity long before most African countries were even thought of. They were colonized earlier, had different cultures and peoples and to this day many South American countries such as Ecuador, Peru, many parts of Brazil and Bolivia still deal with rural poverty.
In general you forget that Argentina has had numerous dictatorships, political upheavals and massive levels of debt and that Uruguay has only become what it is since the late 20th century.You also forget that if you're using this is an arguement that blacks are naturally inferior to everyone else then explain how predominantly black anglo-phone countries in the Caribbean equal and sometimes exeed the human development of South American countries.
History is not a positivist science where everything is a compeition. You can't compare Asia to Africa or Europe to South America. Different historical trajectories, peoples and cultures can change politics, economics and societies.
>>898118
I've read guns germs and steel several times, but haven't read collapse. His basic narrative in GG&S to explain the seemingly global poverty of blacks is to say that unfavorable geography prevented civilization in africa and this lead to less development, which was then exploited by europeans for their self-interest. The argument I'm making to you is a way to test that. The french ruled over the black population for a time that I think would be enough to further socially and technologically advance their population. In the nearly two centuries that they have had independence, they haven't used that knowledge to advance themselves. In fact, they have a per capita income that shockingly resembles western sub-saharn africa.
>>898151
Sorry bro I meant that response for this guy
>>898052
You know very little about African or Australian history and its painful.
How did Africans survive if they had no crops? What did Africans eat before Europeans or Arabs?
Are you telling me that there has been a massive conspiracy in museums and academia concerning agricultural habits of Africans? How did rice, okra, tania, blackeyed peas, and kidney and lima beans end up in the New World from Africa? Can you prove that whites did this?
Are you claiming that all Africans prior to 1800 were hunter gatherers?
As for Aboriginals, how could hundreds of tribes with different languages and no way of communicating with each other create a language?
Also do you think every non-black/aboriginal group have their own prehistoric solely created writing system?
If you make stupid mistakes and errors like this how can I now say this conversation has gone to bullocks.
>>898181
He specifically refutes that kind of environmental determinism. Collapse is about how the environment, as well as choices made by societies and cultures, ultimately determines human social outcomes. Different social choices made in Haiti and DR in similar environmental circumstances, results in different environmental and social outcomes.
>>898175
But the worst South American country is 1000x better than the worst African country. The countries where blacks are the majorities in the Caribbean, those are mulatto. Haiti and Jamaica are horrible countries, and they have really dark skinned people there. It doesn't matter how hard a country gets hit, what matters is how fast it recovers. The deal with Argentina and Uruguay ended at the end of the 20th century, and look at them now. Most of Africa is horrible anyway.
>>898181
Why does Nigeria and Ghana do better than Haiti then? Why do its black anglophone neighbors do better than it (Haitians often go to Jamaica as refugees)?
Are you really advancing the idea that the assumption that French Slaveowners taught black slaves technology and created a class of technical and engineering classes to use this technology? In the 17th to 18th century?
How can a society of illiterate slaves learn French technology and use that to become geniuses when they were isolated from the world until the late 19th century, were ravaged by warfare and civil unrest and were also ruled by brutal dictators throughout most of their history.
Now before you say "hurr durr niggers lol" look at Barbados, Jamaica, St. Kitts and also Botswana - full fledged democracies with high levels of growth and development in the case of all except Jamaica (which is a middle income country).
This is what happens when you use a racial theory to try to explain the world.
>>898181
>>898211
I haven't read guns germs and steel yet, is this fine (the pic) ?
>>897575
>>Singapore got markedly better after colonialism so this doesn't prove Singaporeans are superior but rather that was because of colonialism!
Literally nobody has said that.
>>898212
Mulatto? Which Caribbean is predominantly "mulatto" - give me proof.
Jamaica is a horrible country on the level of Haiti? Why is El Salvador, Honduras and Venezuela crime and murder rate higher then?
Also if Jamaica's so bad why does it have a thriving tourism sector, reliable government institutions, the freest press in North America? Why does it have free and fair democratic elections every year?
Do you have any argument other than "nigger nigger nigger gibe me money ploz". If not then don't bother replying.
>>898033
I like how this is the only legitimate answer to OPs question but everyone else is basically chimping out on eugenics like /pol/
>>898246
I consider the Dominican Republican and maybe Cuba to have a sizable mixed race population.
>Source on DR:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mulatto
You are right, I retract my statement about Jamaica (though it has a very bad gang and drug problem.)
Also, could you give one example of any of my arguments resembling: "nigger nigger nigger gibe me money ploz"
>>898219
Nigeria has a substantial oil reserves, it doesn't scale in the same way that it does for angola as an example. Ghana, like most of the quasi-prosperous nations in sub-saharn africa, has a single resource economy. The carribean as well, but most of those are small societies so it's difficult to make inferences from most of them.
The technology of the era had a lower barrier to entry than it does now, you're basically treating it as some magic property that is unknowable but to the tiniest segment of humanity.
I'm sure most of the smith work or construction work was performed by the slave population, it seems entirely plausible that they should be able to maintain their society.
>How can a society of illiterate slaves learn French technology and use that to become geniuses when they were isolated from the world until the late 19th century, were ravaged by warfare and civil unrest and were also ruled by brutal dictators throughout most of their history.
So they have no agency what so ever? Things go to shit and forever remain that way. That's why after poland was destroyed in two world wars, it still remains a desolate wasteland.
>This is what happens when you use a racial theory to try to explain the world
Why exactly would meaningful racial differences not exist? Did evolution stop? Why would you assume any two unrelated populations are the same in cognitive abilities? The brain consumes 20% of the the bodies calories, it's absurd to think natural selection wouldn't act on it.
>>897409
Because Asians, whilst still sub-human, are higher on the sub-human scale than blacks.
>>898267
>cumskins still pretending asians are inferior
Sad
>>898265
Not whoever you're responding to, but I would like to add to your post, that many economies in former colonies suffer because their entire economic systems have been locked into shitty single-resource extract & export cycles by the former colonizers and which they now don't really have the means or technocratic know-how to get out of.
>>898272
They are. Look at the average sizes of their dicks. Very inferior indeed. White man has invented everything, Asians just expand on it. Therefore they are not as inferior as Blacks, but still are inferior to Whites.
>>898292
>MUH DIK BRUH MAN U SEE DIS BIG AS DIK YO
Literal nigger.
>>897409
Africa was great when it was colonized; it's what came after that was the problem.
And it's also something that people should have (and did, as a matter of fact) seen coming, since the average sub-saharan African has an IQ in the low 70s and African societies have been based around conquest and tribalism since time immemorial.
>>898293
Yeah, but niggers are dumb overall. Too much blood goes to their dicks, instead of their brains.
>>898279
That would be a nonissue if their political systems weren't extortion rackets and they were less in-group oriented. Like the recent Nigerian general that stole billions from their military as they fail against boko harem.
http://www.newsweek.com/nigerian-ex-security-chief-arrested-alleged-theft-2bn-boko-haram-fund-400252
>>898325
You read Wretched of the Earth?
>>898265
Im just not understanding how an enslaved African is going to become an engineer by himself?
With what time? Several black slaves did try to be ome scientists and as David Hume said - they were seen as monkeys parroting white ways and were denied entry into royal societies.
Thise were free blacks in Jamaica. Bow we're talking the even more miserable Haiti, where life expectancy was even lower and plantations were harsher.
Dude if you hate blacks so much no matter what they do and no matter how hard individuals may try you're still going to hate them or at least look down on them.
So why post on history boards if you already onow theyre inferior?
>>898033
LKY aside, I'd like to expound on the fact that Singapore was already rich.
- First of all, Singapore is a city-state, meaning it's a metropolis of 5 million people and not much else. It's utterly ridiculous to compare Singapore's stats with other countries, you should compare it with those countries' capitals alone (and even that's not completely fair of course.) Once you do so, Singapore is much less special or impressive.
- As many people have pointed out, Singapore is a chokepoint for commerce in the area. This is partly because of geography and partly because of the low taxation, which it can afford for much the same reasons Luxembourg and Andorra can afford low taxation. It's hard not to get rich when half the world trade transits through your port and you get to skim 1-2% off every shipment.
- Singapore was also the main British naval base in the region. That means they inherited the best shipyards and oil refineries in the region and the professionals to run them. To this day, they're still using that headstart to process crude and thus profit off the oil industry of the entire region.
- Singapore's greatest success post-independence was successfully developing its financial sector and attracting hordes of migrant workers, but in fact that's exactly what every oil-rich micro-state is doing (see Gulf states, Brunei etc.) Bizarrely, /pol/ is less eager to sperg about the inherent superiority of Bedouins and other Muslims.
>>898325
My immediate reaction to this news was "Wow, they're just like South Korea used to be!"
Tens of thousands of soldiers deserted during the Korean War because the top brass figured they could just pocket the money meant to pay for RATIONS and other logistics during the march North.
>>898959
Found the name:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Defense_Corps_incident
>>897433
this times the power of a trillion white dwarf suns
>>898033
What this nigga said. Also Singapore had the backing and support of US in its early years, as it is a bastion of anti-communism. Few countries had such blessings and almost none prospered despite it. Although recent politics demands a balance between China and USA
>>897409
My fucking god you're a dumbass.
Africa is shit because of the climate, lack of resources, and conservatism.
They lack animals that could be domesticated and have very few resources worth shit, and when they do the wealth and power goes to a select few. Most live under dictators that don't care about the people and live in countries that take little to no account for ethnic demographics. Africa was always shit, not because "hurr durr dem dumb niggers!" but because it's economically a shitty place to live.
>>897409
Compare Malaya as a whole, or even better SEA, the picture starts to look similar.
>>898230
>disease didn't help the conquistadors
What a fucking imbecile
>>899082
>lack of resources
>Africa
>>897409
>comparing a continent to Singapore
Might as well say Nigeria instead.
>>898014
How do you think Aborigines even got to Australia?
>>899082
>lack of resources
Fuggen whyty, stealin our everything, leaving us in an africa-shaped hole on the fucking ocean floor.
>>899116
A state with at least three major different ethnic groups residing in it and countless other smaller ethnic groups. Also divided by religion, Christianity and Islam plus other African religions which do not tolerate each other very well.
Nigeria had great potential. Lots of educated people at independence and local administrators and schools. Also the oil boom helped them out immensely. However constant ethnic tensions and corruption fucked it to the core.
Corruption really really fucked Africa in its teeth for a very long time. And why is that? A culture of patronage in civil service jobs and lots of economies based on an agrarian base not used to dealing with the administration of a nation.
>>899158
Nigeria got fucked especially by corruption because it was formed as a unified state because one of the ethnic groups made a national virtue out of tax evasion.
Lee Kuan Yew.
>>899132
They crossed a landbridge through New Guinea.
>>897776
Africa is the best environment you could imagine for humans, fruits and vegetable can grow practically anywhere and the climate is warm.
Europe is way more hostile climate-wise and has way less ressources, so what you're saying is nonsense.
Just go in Africa and see for yourself, nobody can possibly talk about Africa with reason if they've never been there.
I lived 12 years in Africa (French-speaking countries), it's just that they are stupid and can't do shit. As simple as that. But hey I'm just a racist and my actual experience of Africa is just bullshit compared to a so-called expert who lives in NYC suburbs, right ?
>>899266
>>897776
>Environmental determinism memes
Its funny because in tropical Southeast Asia, people were assed to do civilization or at least agriculture despite living in fruit & vegetables errywhere no-winters land.
>>899288
Because you can't feed millions of people with fruits and vegetables.
The problem is that most of subsaharian Africa didn't master agriculture before the arrival of European explorers, and it's not our fucking fault.
>>899158
Traditional African societies revolve around clientelism and the dispensation of resources by the chief or elders. It's perfectly natural for them to dispense state resources and jobs in the same way to maintain bonds of obligation and reward loyalty.
"Goodwill is a qualified engineer but he's a bit gobby, so we'll give the state infrastructural engineer job to Henry Mdunge, since even though he left school at 14 he's always been a good egg and loyal to me."
Every job becomes a sinecure to allow dependents to leech off the state but only well connected people get to dispense those jobs or licenses or whatever.
There is literally no incentive to excel when everything you have can be taken at the whim of some well connected retard who sees you skill and talent as a reason for suspicion rather than admiration. Africa is small town politics applied in extremis to virtually the entire continent.
It's worth noting that success stories in Africa are due to the implementation of the rule of law and the reduction of corruption rather than the nature of those laws. Somaliland, Botswana, SA, are all places where the rule of law has enabled success. In SA, economic failure is a result of corruption, because state resources become captured by clientelists and the incentive to succeed individually evaporates when you can just lol easy mode if you're well enough connected.
>>899323
ADDS: this is the rule in much of the Arab world, too. Until the rule of law trumps the rule of patronage (or at least reduces it to western levels) these places will never improve.
>colonialism turned aafrica into shit
>>899323
I'll add in even 'rule of law' can be supplanted by virtually any effective bureaucratization.
Rwanda has been a success despite the questionable relationship with rule of law, because it's basically a VERY effective army that acquired a state.
I think one of the most telling examples of the sort of problems Africa has is that the communist states didn't notably fuck up compared to their relatives.
>>899082
>lack of resources
>climate
Stopped reading there.
>>897409
>No roads
>Mostly a fucking desert, used to be water and forest thousands of years ago
>Excessive disease and parasites, Jiggers, Mosquito, and Malaria
>The worlds oldest and shittiest soil for crop
>Lower than average IQ scores (Yes IQ is genetic just fucking cry about it, and if you think it's not then tell me how to raise my IQ, that's right you can't because it's primarily a genetic trait)
European Colonization has literally butt fucking nothing to do with why Africa is so shitty.
>>899319
Most of habitable Africa was farmer/pastoralist held
dumbass
>>899288
Different conditions. The true tropics of Central Africa aren't very paralleled in SEA, most of Africa developed differently based on tsetse, striga, quelea, etc... Hell that cow attached to a blow for rice isn't even a thing in African rice cultures traditionally the hand hoe is used.
>>899323
Eh, I disagree. While yes nepotism is rife you have to acknowledge much of the elite in say Nigeria and Senegal are greatly educated and knowledgeable. It goes without saying the position of Igbo the UK.
>>899266
You're a dumbass as well
>>899410
>and if you think it's not then tell me how to raise my IQ, that's right you can't because it's primarily a genetic trait
http://www.livescience.com/36143-iq-change-time.html
>>899456
Nigeria should be Malaysia tier wealthy, but the wealth of the oilfields has been captured by well connected elites. Nigeria is a byword for corruption and the income disparity shows that wealth is being sequestered rather than distributed. They may have a lot of educated people (who then get on a plane elsewhere) but they have a lot of people overall. What proportion of the total population does the middle class represent? Is it getting larger?
>>899410
>silly imperfect educational tests are genetic
>implying IQ tests are accurate
>implying its possible to measure intelligence
>implying humanity fully understands intelligence
>imply you do
>implying this does not blow your theory out of the water
>>897409
>Did colonialism turn Africa into shit, and why did it not fuck up Singapore then?
Because authoritarianism can work very well, if you give the population an inducement, such as free market trading, low corporate and income taxes.
>>897457
WE
>>899266
>But hey I'm just a racist and my actual experience of Africa is just bullshit compared to a so-called expert who lives in NYC suburbs, right ?
Yes
>>897805
The mark of a prosperous country is the state of its roads.
>>899410
>and if you think it's not then tell me how to raise my IQ
Practice for the test.
>>899410
>he thinks global IQ is improving over time because of the good old colonial practice of genesplicing the native africans
>>897457
YOU SAYING
>>899493
...so like did you forget the Biafra Civil war and genocide?
Also
>is it getting larger
Nigga, I want you to google it.
>>897409
Completely different ruling policies and location.
FFS DID YOU EVEN READ A TINY BIT INTO BOTH PLACES AT ALL? At least put some effort into your threads dumbass.
>>897457
WE WUZ THANGS N
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>>897646
>whole mess of shit happened that stopped the colonial empires from making it at least some what decent
They didn't really want to.
Just the bare minimum for it's colonial authorities and a few things that's it. Even ruling with the most minuscule of budgets was still a big drain to the point they had to do drastic measures to extract wealth form the populace since resource taxes weren't enough.
>>898118
Trujillo >>>>>> Papa and Baby Doc.
All were sociopaths but the former didn't leave such a mess.
>>897632
whew, thank god that one child didn't die in a capitalist famine
im fine with capitalism now all other famines are ok
>>898072
Race is a social construct.
>>898230
>The European nations had achieved such technological superiority to non-Europeans
Please define 'superior.'
>>898072
>Those criminals were completely isolated. Then, they actually started making progress, and then the British government got involved
You know absolutely zero about Australia history. Please kindly shut your mouth.
>>899364
Once one of my history professors said he would be fired if he said the shit Ferguson says.
>>900171
yeah sure, like malaysia didn't have a communist insurgency and an indonesian invasion of borneo to contend with.
nigeria is underperforming because of rampant corruption, clientelism and rent seeking. no need to get all defensive about it. i'm not inferring anything racist, i'm saying that these things - which affect all human societies to a lesser or greater extent - have held nigeria back because the wealthy have captured the vast majority of the oil revenue through rent seeking and corruption and basically use the state to further their own interests.
nigeria now is basically 18th century england, except you don't have the safety valve of being able to send your malcontents to america and australia.
even in south africa nigerians have a bad rep as the russians or sicilians of africa - either bent godbotherers or out and out gangsters. where does that reputation come from? how has nigeria exported so many (or at least a highly visible minority) of people with such a fast and loose attitude toward the rule of law? i would suggest they picked those habits up in a deeply corrupt culture where the rules only applied to unconnected mugs.
>>899410
>Yes IQ is genetic just fucking cry about it, and if you think it's not then tell me how to raise my IQ, that's right you can't because it's primarily a genetic trait
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/race-iq-and-wealth/
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/2012/08/14/raceiq-irish-iq-chinese-iq/
Since you're probably not gonna bother reading shit, just read these quotes:
>we are left with strong evidence that in the early 1970s, the Irish IQ averaged 87, the lowest figure anywhere in Europe and a full standard deviation below than that of Irish-Americans, a value which would seem to place a substantial fraction of Ireland’s population on the edge of clinical mental retardation.
>Lynn had devoted many years of personal research in Ireland and eventually concluded that they were clearly a low-IQ race
>His official responsibility was to investigate the social and economic problems of Ireland, and he soon concluded that the nation’s backwardness was largely due to the low IQ of its people, with the only obvious solution being a strong eugenics program[...]
>He eventually became interested in whether the poverty of other countries might be due to the same low IQ causal factor which he believed explained Ireland’s problems. This led him to the research that culminated in the publication of IQ and the Wealth of Nations.
>Lynn was hardly unique among leading IQ experts in characterizing the Irish as being low IQ. For example, Hans Eysenck, one of the foremost IQ researchers of the 20th century said exactly the same thing in his 1971 book “Race, Intelligence, & Education,” claiming that the Irish IQ was very close to that of American blacks, and that the Irish/English IQ gap was almost exactly the same size as the black/white gap in the U.S., being roughly a full standard deviation
[...]
>the empirical rise of Flynn-adjusted Irish IQ by nearly a full standard deviation in 37 years seems proven fact.
>>897603
>Singaporean model of Westernization
What is that? I don't know about Singapore's history
>>897475
Canal through Thailand.
>>902968
WE WUZ BUTTHURT
>>897409
Why is this still up.
This shit was answered by an anon who wrote a pretty amazing summery of Singapore's history and development.
>>899410
>Posts map detailing the intense ethnic diversity of the continent
>it would take about 10 seconds to pull up a map with European colonial borders and those post decolonization
>all those groups forced into singular administrative units and then left to their own devices
>colonization had nothing to do with the problems there
>>903218
that maps is flawed because it does not take into account political relationships and governess back then. For example to use Europe the relationship between Ethnic Germans and their neighbors highly vary and in some they are quite friendly while others it's mutual dislike. Others one German from x area could not care less and others y area has the benefits or disadvantage of living near an unliked group.
going into depths of the issues would be too logn ap ost and I'm to tired and arsed to do so.
>>897409
In terms of cultural, technological and religious advancement, sub Saharan Africans where behind that of Europeans or Asians but ahead of most in the pre-colonised new world.
The reason for this is generally geographic. Little communication could be made with Africa past the Sahara and dense forests below it and thus little shared cultural and technological progress could reach them.
Once the main colonisation of the interior of the continent began the population had already taken a hit from the mass slavery and slave based conflicts that pursued it. This put the Africans in a situation which they could not resist effectively against the Europeans.
Whilst some European nations did not treat their subjects terribly most did under the pretence of improving those they seem as barbaric. The African culture was not allowed to advance nor where Africans really allowed to largely be educated, it was more monitarily beneficial to have Europeans make things for the Africans to buy and Africans to export their own materials for Europeans to make.
This was generally the status quo until the end of the African colonial project and upon that the former rulers seemingly left overnight with little to no educated people to replace them and an economy made generally for export. It was inevitable that it wouldn't go well.
>>899505
Hello tumblr.
Denying IQ tests is like denying Global Warming. Ninety-nine percent of the academic establishment agree that it is useful as a measurement for intellect.
>>901938
You still don't get it, Nigeria is where it is based on British colonialism and Britain's engagement primarily with the Igb community, most oil being in igboland and most oil business being in the hands of Igbo hands who not so long ago survived a Britain supported genocide.
The conditions of Nigeria and Malaysia are not the same, they are false equivalencies.
>>897409
>Did colonialism turn Africa into shit
The END of colonialism turn Africa to shit, it was on the way up prior to that but when the Euros pulled out and left the native Africans in charge, it all went down the toilet.
In 1955, Ghana and South Korea had roughly the same GDP, standard of living, etc.
Today, S.Korea is a global economic powerhouse and Ghana is still a third-world African shithole.
>>903369
>it was on the way up prior to that but when the Euros pulled out and left the native Africans in charge, it all went down the toilet.
Not really.
It was still pretty ass and after independence but up until cold war shit and conflict happened social and economic metrics were improving.
It is simply foolish to think that in the 50's the powers would do a complete 180 because they had 50-70 to do so. You know the parts of rural USA where they are heavily behind in utilities and it's like a step back in time or the shitty territories held by European nations like Martinique? Not much difference
>>903413
Not to mention financial and administrative nightmare.
>>903332
>One nation.
>One ethnic group.
>Various political boundaries
Yes anon, this is exactly the same as african ethno-linguistic clusterfucks. You sure showed him.
>>898315
Did some black guy fuck your gf or something ?
>>897457
>white colonization
You make it sound as if an entire race decided to go and colonize Africa, which did not happen. I don't recall Russia, Norway, Sweden, and many others, ever having a major foothold.
Also
>Black lives matter
>anything but supremacists and bullies
>WE
>>899410
>Yes IQ is genetic just fucking cry about it, and if you think it's not then tell me how to raise my IQ, that's right you can't because it's primarily a genetic trait
Testing is a shit way of determining IQ, since like any test, if you study for them you'll do better on them. All IQ score is is a measure of how good one is at taking IQ tests. It doesn't actually measure a general "intelligence"
>>903497
Sweden had a foothold, Norway was going to get German East Africa however the liberals went against it.
Russia? Colonizing Siberia.
>protestors fighting racially biased police forces killing unarmed and innocent black people
>bullies
>being this silly
>>899266
> Africa is the best environment you could imagine
Pic related, you couldn't be any more wrong. Europe and certain parts of North America, India and China are by far the best locations in the world for agriculture.
Also, as others have pointed out, they didn't have access to the same quality livestock as the Indo-Europeans. If you say they should have tamed Zebras or Wildebeest, please kill yourself.
>>903535
certain parts of China, that is.
>>897409
>Did colonialism turn Africa into shit
No, the international and national surroundings of decolonization turned Africa into shit.
>>903497
Both Sweden and Denmark had colonies, Norway was in a union under one of these nations until 1905. In fact, all Western European nations with sea access had colonies: Belgium, Netherlands, Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, Great Britain, Denmark and Sweden. Each and every one.
>>903535
>If you say they should have tamed Zebras or Wildebeest, please kill yourself.
>Domesticated Horses
>Easy to handle even after thousands of years of breeding
>Fucking Aurochs
>Easy to domesticate
>>903552
seeing as those animals have been tamed, it is fair to assume that they were, in relative terms, easy to tame.
The zebra or wildebeest, on the other hand, have never been tamed. If it was a simple manner of trying hard enough and not being black, then surely your precious white colonizers would have done it by now?
>>903535
>they didn't have access to the same quality livestock as the Indo-Europeans. If you say they should have tamed Zebras or Wildebeest, please kill yourself.
Since when is cattle not quality livestock? Also: What are Elands?
>>903577
Yes, they do have cattle. Now show me their horses and pigs. Besides, they also have tsetse flies.
And again, if it was a simple matter of these people being stupid niggers, then surely we would have seen thriving livestock industries in tropical Africa the moment Europeans started to colonize.
>>903594
>horses
Elands. Russians ended up domesticating them. There's a budding industry to do the same in Tanzania and Kenya. It's not a matter of them being "stupid niggers." I know you're memeing because you're a giant faggot, but Tropical East Africa was absolutely crucial for trade in the Indian Ocean and cattle was a part of that trade.
>>903605
how the hell is an Eland the same as a horse?
>>903594
>then surely we would have seen thriving livestock industries in tropical Africa the moment Europeans started to colonize
Also, this is strawman as fuck because it's the complete opposite of the reason for colonization. They went for resources, not fucking food.
>>903609
Same strength, a little smaller. Good for the same purposes with the added bonus of extra meat. The more I read up the rest of your posts, you're as much of a fucking dumbass as the /pol/tards.
>>899544
WUZ
>>903605
Those eland are inbred and care under modern conditions living their whole lives in a state of the art facilitate where the yields are not the most important thibg and the people who raise them don't require their milk for their daily caloric intake.
I'd also argue that the physical effects of domestication haven't really taken off yet, they are selectively breeding them based on behavior and human connection.
>>903617
Eland are horses dude, it's a false equivalency and the conditions for their training are something that could only come with the advent of conditions so favorable and artificial that it could not be replicated by Mesolithic hunters.
>>903635
Arent
>>903635
Aurochs aren't cattle dude, it's a false equivalency and the conditions for their training are something that could only come with the advent of conditions so favorable and artificial that it could not be replicated by Mesolithic hunters.
This is what you sound like.
>>903617
> they went for resources not fucking food
Because food wasn't a viable resource in those locations. In places were it was, like North America and South Africa, they cultivated the shit out of the land.
>>903642
Africans did in fact domesticate cattle at the tail end of the neolithic subpluvial. They are the basis of the semi-tsetse tolerant cows in Fouta Djallon and make up some of the ancestry in the ancient Sanga hybrids.
>>903651
Well duh, I don't know why anyone wouldn't know that if they actually took the time to read a book on African animal husbandry
>>903642
no, you're the fucking retard around here who can't tell the difference between two animals and assume that the conditions for domesticating them are precisely the same, all the while making absurd claims that zebras, eland or wildebeest are PRECISELY as viable for domestication as cattle and horses, in spite of literally all of human history, be it European or African, being a testament to the fact that this clearly isn't the case.
>>903680
What I don't get about anons stream of thought is his inability to explain European's inability to domesticate any animal other than rabbits
>>903680
>zebras, eland or wildebeest
I claimed Elands and Cattle. You're strawmanning with other shit. The simple fact of the matter is that Elands ARE as viable for domestication because they've successfully been domesticated. You're a fucking moron.
>>903693
don't forget the lab rat and the semi-domesticated reindeer =)
>>903694
> Elands are viable for domestication
Nobody ever said they weren't. But the conditions required for doing so, and the eventual uses of them once this has been carried out, are clearly not the same for horses. Hence, they are obviously a whole lot less viable than horses. You might as well argue that the guinea pig is just as useful as a normal pig.
>>903642
please explain how the Mongolians could conquer China using cavalry tactics. After all, the Chinese had already domesticated the koifish and all animals are equally useful, right?
>>903369
>leave immense power vacuum for an entire continent
>hurr I wonder why Africa is so shitty
Also, while a lot is underdeveloped, this aspect is hugely over represented in media. Also, there are some pretty well off cities and countries there. Africa is pretty much the opposite of homogeneity.
>>903323
IQ is not immutable.
>>903617
Elands require high fences and a lot more land than most livestock, so they are difficult to feed compared to horses and cattle.
>>903442
>HRE
>one nation
>one ethnic group
Are you trolling or are you really this stupid?
>retards would rather have 'le niggers are stupid' circle jerk number 6 million than learn about Lee Kuan Yew, perhaps the most effective statesman post-ww2
I thought people came here to learn, not just rehash stale arguments..
>>898175
>Brazil and Argentina are not the norms of South America
Brazil and Argentina make up a vast majority of the land area and population of South America, so yes they do represent the norm
>>898211
>Collapse is about how the environment, as well as choices made by societies and cultures, ultimately determines human social outcomes
so he's basically just discovered processual archaeology and thinks he's hot shit?
>>903567
>then surely your precious white colonizers would have done it by now?
that isn't how domestication works. I'm not sure you understand how long it takes. As in, millennia of pastoral societies. Same with grains.
>>904163
Domestication can actually take place in 7 generations. A geneticist a Cornell was able to domesticate foxes in as little time.
>>903517
>protestors fighting racially biased police forces killing unarmed and innocent black people
>blm
This is why /his/ is a shitty board, there are anon that are retarded enough to believe this drivel.
>>903622
KANGZ
>>898033
According to the World Bank Malaysia (excl Singapore) was at $300 per capita in 1960.
Assuming Kualu Lumpur was richer than the rural regions, that means Singapore in 1960 was likely as rich per capita as say Kuala Lumpur was in 1960.
Now Singapore is nearly 6 times richer per capita.
>>904302
HOL UP HOL UP
>>903567
black people have a mean IQ 15 points below that of white europeans even when you control their upbringing by having them be adopted as babies by affluent white parents.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Transracial_Adoption_Study
see also
Factor Analysis of Population Allele Frequencies as a Simple, Novel Method of Detecting Signals of Recent Polygenic Selection: The Example of Educational Attainment and IQ.
Two single nucleotide polymorphisms (SNPs) whose associations with intelligence seem to be robust because they have been replicated in several independent studies were chosen as representative of intelligence increasing alleles.
The first is rs236330, located within gene FNBP1L, whose significant association with general intelligence has been reported in two separate studies (Davies et al, 2011; Benyamin et al, 2013). This gene is strongly expressed in neurons, including. hippocampal neurons and developing brains, where it regulates neuronal morphology (Davies et al, 2011).
The second SNP is rs324650. It was included because its association with IQ has been replicated in four association studies (Comings et al, 2003; Dick et al, 2007; Gosso et al, 2006, 2007). This SNP is located in the gene CHRM2 (cholinergic receptor, muscarinic #2), which is involved in neuronal excitability, synaptic plasticity and feedback regulation of acetylcholine release.
East Asian populations (Japanese, Chinese) have the highest average frequency of beneficial alleles (39%), followed by Europeans (35.5%) and sub-Saharan Africans (16.4%).
http://www.ibc7.org/article/journal_v.php?sid=312
>>903514
so would you have no preference between employing someone with an IQ of 130 as a lawyer and employing someone with an IQ of 70 as a lawyer?
No, of course you would prefer to emply the person with an IQ of 130, yet you make this dishonest charade that IQ "only measures how good you are at taking IQ tests" as though it does not provide useful information about how well someone's brain works and how good it is at learning new things and solving problems in general.
>>897811
>>901842
>marxist derg
>ethiopian people's revolutionary party
>capitalist
>famines
>everything bad is capitalist
ok but I answered your question, a "revolution" in Singapore would have only resulted in decades of pointless civil war and authoritarian regimes which were not "true communism", as you would say.
Instead Singapore achieved stability and became open to the west and global trade fostering economic growth.
>>904126
/pol/tards and their ilk aren't interested in history, they're interested in feel-good politics. Discussions like this or the Rhodesia bush war are just masturbatory exercises to boost self-esteem.
They could not care less about Lee Kuan Yew nor do they understand the impact he had.
>>897409
>colonialism turn Africa into shit
It was already shit
>>897409
>Colonialism turned shit into shit
>>901808
>they had to do drastic measures to extract wealth form the populace since resource taxes weren't enough.
Depends on which country was running the show, the French taxed/worked the population into the ground but the British were pretty hands-off
And then there's Belgium
>>903413
> > it was on the way up prior to that but when the Euros pulled out and left the native Africans in charge, it all went down the toilet.
>
> Not really.
Yes, really. Prior to European colonialism, Africa was literally Stone Age tier all the way from the Sahara to the Cape of Good Hope; everything that was anything in Africa was built by Euros and when they pulled out in the post-WWII period, every single (sub-Saharan) African country went straight down the toilet and remains shit to this day.
Colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to Africa.
>>897409
>Did colonialism turn Africa into shit
Putting dozens of tribes that hate each other to the bones in some arbitrarily drew lines it's not the best way to start a country.
>>903535
> bullshit map is bullshit
That map isn’t showing land capable of being farmed, it’s showing land capable of being farmed that IS being farmed.
Rhodesia’s entire economy was based on EXPORTING agricultural produce yet when the Whites left and it became Zimbabwe, the country suddenly no longer has any arable land?…
>>903635
>Eland are horses dude
>>903642
>Aurochs aren't cattle dude
>>903805
>>leave immense power vacuum for an entire continent
>>hurr I wonder why Africa is so shitty
And 50 years later there is still a "power vacuum" in Africa?...
Sorry, but you can no longer blame this on White colonialism (not that you could in the first place).
>>905217
must be the blacks hurp durp
>>905278
>doesn't respond to the whole post
>>898175
This picture is Vienna, not Gaborone
>>905194
They were actually at least iron age. Not Everyone in Africa were San bushmen.
https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/iron/hd_iron.htm
>>906047
>The overproduction of a given piece of inadequate land will end eventually in degradation. That's inevitable.
LOL! You're going to actually claim that Whites over-farmed Rhodesia and that's why Zimbabwe today is shit?!
>>906726
I'm saying creating an extractive agricultural market is at a cost. The Amazonian rainforest is being razed and the soil is exhausted in less than a decade. East of it in the northeastern coast the effects of monoculture cropping has left soil fragile, depleted and marginal.
Anyone could have created these conditions, the facts remain that even if all these white farmers came back and through large amounts of artificial fertilizers they'd still be met with degraded soils and falling yields in spite of raised levels of farm input.
Soil is not something that can be cropped continuously and indiscriminately, it most be rejuvenated in some form but in the subtropics and tropics this is even more pertinent to do so, the soils of the Miombo especially.
>>897409
Africa was always shit, but large scale invasion and occupation certainly wasn't the best way to improve things.
Did Europe bring technology and social change? Yes.
Did it also bring oppression negative change? Yes.
>>904716
There are a lot of adoption studies besides the Minnesota one, and they don't all support that conclusion.
>>897531
>Annex it into Malaysia
That did happen, but it caused so much butthurt Singapore became independent.
>>897632
Are you dumb? Capitalism applied to the entire world is the reason why that child is sickly and starving.
>>897980
Are you retarded? First off, Haiti is not even in Africa. And secondly the two African countries you mentioned had significant European populations which completely skews your statistics. South Africa used to be 1/4 white.
>>897409
Colonialism in Africa was very brief, the blink of an eye on a historical spectrum. It's not that it messed up Africa, it's that it's a good excuse as to why Africa is so messed up. The reality is Africa sucks because it's full of Africans.
>>907088
10/10 thesis, champ
>>897409
>colonialism turn Africa into shit
>>907134
You know it's true. The doctrine of equality is false. They never stood a chance and never will.
>>899102
I think resources might actually be a big part od the problem. They've basically got permanent dutch disease where no sector of their economy is strong enough to stand up to the upward pressure placed on their currency thst goes with heavily exporting some basic resource.
You don't get rich with resources, you get rich turning resources into stuff.
>>897459
t. great man theory
>>898078
>>898945
These guys are starting to touch on it. Long story short is that there were different types of colonialism depending on environmental factors, leading to levels of institutions that persist even to today. Britain set up Singapore as a long term trading post, while African colonies were held to get cheap resources with slave labour
For the long explanation, see Acemoglu, Johnson, and Robinson: The colonial origins of comparative development
>>897433
/pol/
leave
>>897508
goodpost.jpg
south-east asia: became prospering, growing economies within 50 years
africa: keeps on nigging.
>mfw all those posters imply that there are fixed steps in human cultural evolution independent of environmental differences
Idiots, you have no understanding of culture and apparently even your understanding of natural selection is lacking
>>907042
I have no idea of economics: the post.
>>908485
They were taught as such in social sciences and civic textbooks.
>>908542
good reasoning
>>908485
You seem like one of those retards who think Europeans dealing with cold made them "industrious"
>>908570
nope, just saying that cultural evolution doesn't take the same form everywhere. as should be common sense. therefore people saying that it was the africans' fault for not being developed enough as the colonialists arrived are full of shit.
/intent of my previous post
>>907042
The warlords in Ethiopia were independent, the west had very little influence over them.
>>907364
But it's mostly true.
>>897437
No it was never a major port city and its rise from a colonial backwater to a major economic powerhouse was due to Lee Kuan Yew
>>901901
"Whatever happens we have got
the Maxim gun, and they have not."
Okay, granted, this was only for the late 19th Century.
>>898033
> It is a myth that he single handedly made Singapore a rich country - it was already rich
Read his memoirs and biographies again because that's wrong. When the British left Singapore had a GDP less than Jamaica, a largely illiterate population and a decrepit infrastructure. The city was nothing more than an aging colonial port, a way station for ships rather than a trading hub.
>>898292
>White man has invented everything, Asians just expand on it
You realize the Chinese invented guns, right?
>>903328
Also important to note how varied Nigeria is from one corner to the other... the emirates in the North for instance were known for textiles, not pumping oil. I heard a segment on NPR a while ago talking about how the insurgency in the North has led to a decline in that industry in recent years.
>>907057
>Are you retarded? First off, Haiti is not even in Africa.
What's the practical difference?
>And secondly the two African countries you mentioned had significant European populations which completely skews your statistics. South Africa used to be 1/4 white.
That's the point you stupid cunt. The were prosperous because they had whites.
>>898336
You don't need to understand matlab and differential equations to maintain a 19th century economy.
>So why post on history boards if you already onow theyre inferior?
I don't understand why you post here. I could go to any high school in america and hear the narrative you're pushing. You face no social repercussions for your opinion. You're the status quo.
>>909941
>the status quo is always wrong, man!
Found the teenage edgelord.
>>910019
Wasn't discussing the truth of the status quo, but I'm glad that you found away to rationalize your opinions to yourself.
>>910088
>to rationalize your opinions
And what opinions are those?
>>903535
The Late Pleistocene extinction event saw the extinction of many mammals weighing more than 40 kg.
In North America around 33 of 45 genera of large mammals became extinct.
In South America 46 of 58
In Australia 15 of 16
In Europe 7 of 23
In Subsaharan Africa only 2 of 44
Africa was always shit, and European presence made it as good as it will ever be.
