Why didn't the USA apply the Monroe Doctrine during the Falklands Conflict ?
Do they still harbor fears of the long gone British Empire ?
>>896634
cold war realities and balancing the needs of a right wing dictatorship in argentina whom you know won't be going communist versus a huge ally in NATO who you need to keep on side and have a cultural affinity with.
not rocket science bru
>>896634
Because Britian under Thatcher was literally the Only European NATO member who actually cared about Fighting communism
>>896634
>It stated that further efforts by European nations to colonize land or interfere with states in North or South America would be viewed as acts of aggression, requiring U.S. intervention. At the same time, the doctrine noted that the United States would neither interfere with existing European colonies nor meddle in the internal concerns of European countries.
How does the Monroe Doctrine affect intervention in what was for the British a defensive war?
>>896649
>a right wing dictatorship
what ?
>>896670
Which are you disputing; that the military dictatorship was right wing, or that it was a dictatorship?
Because they knew the islands were rightfully British, as the Argentine claim is purely based on proximity, as no Argentines ever lived on the Falklands prior to British rule, while the current inhabitants are all British and many have lived there for several generations.
Basically Argentina has absolutely no right to the islands and the US respected that.
Plus the US likes to pick the winning side and there was no conceivable way Argentina was ever going to win.
>>896634
Because the Monroe Doctrine isn't religiously applied, it's only useful when the U.S wants it to be. Plus, the UK was on the defensive.
>>896709
>Because they knew the islands were rightfully Spanish, as the American claim is purely based on proximity
>>896634
Argentina was the aggressor so it didn't necessarily apply.
>>897136
Not rightfully Spanish, the Spaniards laid a claim to them much like they did with the entire new world, WE WUZ HERE FIRST N SHIIET. Spain did make attempts to colonise the islands as did several nations but the colonies never lasted. It wasn't until the 'United provinces of rio de la plata' sponsored a German man to colonise the islands under the pretence that it was a private venture separate from the nation. This turned out to be false and in retaliation Britain ceased the islands. Since the late 1800s The islands where firmly British, Argentine load claims to them because the country before it had claims because the country before that had claims. Not real reason.
>>897136
>break off from spain
>push spanish territorial claims
doesn't work like that
>>896634
HMS Conqueror flying the jolly roger when returning home after sinking the Belgrano
because it wasn't British aggression?
>>896634
OAS obligations vs NATO obligations.
Also, screw Argentina.
>>897709
Except it does. It's the uti possidetis iure, an international law principle which dictates that a new independent state keeps the territorial limits given in its colonial era. This is to prevent new conquests from other nations who would consider the territory to be terra nullius, land without owner, which they could occupy and colonize.
Ofc the limits had flaws with wrong maps, not being accurate enough, different interpretations, etc.
>>896713
This
I don't know why people have so many misconceptions about the Monroe Doctrine
>>896634
Monroe Doctrine applied to aggression not defence.
>>896670
He's talking about the argentinian dictatorship? who was absolutely right wing? one of whose allies was the argentinian anti-communist alliance (AAA)?
not sure how that would be debateable.
>>896634
By your logic French Guyana and Surinam also violate the Monroe Doctrine.
Argie here, Videla did nothing wrong
Only lefty good is a dead one
Sorry for the war britbros, let's be friends again like in 1910
>>898395
Except that he seized a democratic government, destroyed the economy of Argentina, and ruined the relationships with Britain forever.
>>897834
>anti-communist = right wing
literally everything that isn't communism is opposed to communism, stop spewing red propaganda
>>897818
well no one gives a fuck, argie. america didn't and you lost, get over it.
>>897818
>international law is very important, guys
Nations don't exist in a state like people, and trying to apply the logic of one to another is flawed.
>>899663
>I don't know how it works but I say it's flawed anyway
International laws derive from agreements and customs between nations anon, it's not about a coercive power house dictating what to do and what not. So no, international and domestic law systems doesn't work with the same logic
>>896657
Das right. Fought communism so hard it handed Hong Kong to China.
>>900078
The 99 year lease was long up anyway, what were they supposed to do?
Because shit like the Monroe doctrine is just an excuse for when we'd have something to gain
>>902742
Plus, I (barely) remember the handover, it was well after Thatcher, and the fall of the Wall.
>>902745
oh wow, its almost like nations are only trying to benefit themselves or something
fucking wild dude
>>898544
All latinamerican dictatorships were cooked by the CIA via US embassies, with direct support using money and assets, designed to prevent the rise of communism in the americas.
They were all right wing, not knowing this is just ignorance
what a stupid question
>>897818
Therefore the UN should force Russia to give Finnish Karelia back to Finland. Oh wait, they're white, the UN won't care.
>>897136
>muh treaty of tordesillas
it's de jure british clay, argentinians need to fuck off and fix their own problems before they come scuttering for oil
>>896634
Britain was better ally than argies.
>>903307
actually finland, russia, norway and sweden would have to cede territory to the saami
>>897756
Fun fact, it used WW2 torpedoes for it because hot-top-tier-shit torps Royal Navy bragged about since 60's were never tested properly and they've realised that they copy the design mistakes that made Mark 14 torpedoes(and derivatives that is Mark 15 and I think 12) unreliable as hell.
>>902742
And they did right thing.
Perfidious albion was always perfidious enough to honour international treaties. Those evil brits.
>>903327
that's right lil nigga
the torpedo that killed the Belgrado was a ww2 antique.
>>903307
>Finnish Karelia
Aside from the joke, no, UN cannot force any country to cede territory unless it's a voluntary arbitration between the countries involved.
Also, no, the uti possidetis principle applies to former colonized territories like the americas, Finland lost it to the USSR after a war
>>896709
The conflict started when British troops evicted Argentine citizens from the homes they had built on the islands in 1833. Distance never had anything to do with it, that's a strawman invented by British propaganda.
>>902742
Keep the parts that had been ceded in perpetuity
>>904368
>The conflict started when British troops evicted Argentine citizens from the homes they had built on the islands in 1833
>>904374
the parts that had no power generation and no water supply? gr8 idea m8
>>904368
>the homes they had built on the islands in 1833
they were mostly convicts who were dumped on the islands to give weight to Argentina's claim. They were there for all of a year before the British turned up and politely asked the Argentine naval vessel guarding the islands to leave. The British actually tried to get the settlers to stay because they needed the workforce, but most begged to be allowed to leave because the Falklands are a cold, windswept hellhole and they didn't want to be there in the first place. (Those that did stay later staged a mini-rebellion over the shitty conditions, and have amusingly gone down in Argentine history as 'freedom fighters'.)
I wish the French hadn't given up the Exocet Self-Destruct codes. Then Thatcher would have nuked BA.
>>904596
>Exocet Self-Destruct codes
No such thing. The Argies only had five missiles, anyways.
>>904596
>Exocet Self-Destruct codes
>>896634
>help Argentina and piss off our friend
OR
>sit there and laugh
Which would you have picked, Mr. President?
>>904596
That is bullshit, they handed the source code of the missiles, not self destruct codes. Completely different things
