>this triggers the southerner
>>887843
Ending Reconstruction was a mistake.
>>887936
This.
A proper Reconstruction would've fixed everything.
>inb4 le back to afruka maymay
I am a resident of North Carolina. To this day, if you whisper, "Sherman is coming." in your local grocer, people will flock to the bread and milk isles.
>By late 1861, having been promoted to the rank of Brigadier General, he was given the command of the Department of Kentucky. Because of worries over not having enough men and not being able to defend Kentucky, Sherman had what can be described as a nervous breakdown late that year. His reputation suffered when many in the press ran headlines declaring him to be crazy or insane. Sherman was removed from command and sent to Missouri to a less stressful position.
what a badass lol
>>887952
what would a "proper" Reconstruction have looked like?
>>887986
It wouldn't have looked like this asshole, that's for sure.
Fuck you Andrew Johnson.
>>888010
You mean Lincoln's plans? Lol, the radical republican Congress had their chance for reconstruction afterward but got booty blasted by a bunch of disorganized hicks and quit.
>>887970
POOR LITTLE SHERMAN
I guess he finally showed them whose boss by winning battles against empty cities.
>>888028
>Empty Cities
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlanta_Campaign
>>887843
God damn look at that photo!
This man was fucking intimidating!
>>888041
>Sherman settled into a siege of Atlanta, shelling the city and sending raids west and south of the city to cut off the supply lines from Macon, Georgia. Both of Sherman's cavalry raids were defeated by superior southern horsemen. Following the failure to break the Confederates' hold on the city, Sherman began to employ a new strategy. He swung his entire army in a broad flanking maneuver to the west. Finally, on August 31, at Jonesborough, Georgia, Sherman's army captured the railroad track from Macon, pushing the Confederates to Lovejoy's Station. With his supply lines fully severed, Hood pulled his troops out of Atlanta the next day, September 1, destroying supply depots as he left to prevent them from falling into Union hands.
Yes, Sherman only captured Atlanta after the confederates left. Sherman never did anything impressive other than marching a vastly larger army at a depleted read southern army that he could never catch, which is why he chimped out and burned everything.
>>888083
Sherman was explicitly told to chimp out by the Union leadership.
>>887843
>Tecumseh
funny how jingoistic yankees like to laud Sherman for his march to the sea but whistle and look the other way when anyone brings up the fact that he advocated genocide against Indian tribes.
>>887936
>Republicans ended reconstruction willingly
They got stuck with a mess and the South + Democrats forced their hand. If they were smarter they could've actually fixed the south instead of the moralfaggotry that we got instead.
>Sherman will never be on the sticky again
>>887843
I TOLD YOU BRO
I TOLD YOU ABOUT THOSE NORTHERNERS
>>888028
>sherman murdered southerners
>southern cities were empty
pick one, leeaboo
>>888083
>cowardly southerners kept running away from Sherman
This is true. Well, it's mostly true. He managed to catch them at Shiloh, Vicksburg, Kennesaw Mountain , Chattanooga, Atlanta, and so on. Beat the shit out of them too.
>>887843
>be yankee
>work for proto-fascist
>have no honor
Are they even people?
>>889768
Lol Sherman shit his pants in Kentucky so bad they had to put him on leave. The confederate army had half the men Sherman had, so they had to outmaneuver them and pick better fights. That's the reason Lee stayed opperational so long in Virgina, he just jumped around trouncing out of position Yankee armies. Sherman himself said that the southern soldiers were the best fighters he's ever seen.
>>887986
Red terror.
But it didn't happen.
So instead we'll just get Robert Mugabe and a bunch of dumpster blax taking over a few cities in the next twenty years.
>It's not about slavery, it's about states rights!
>>890861
>it wasnt about the economy, it was about preserving racism
>>889736
he murdered them outside of the cities you autist.
>hurr durr pick one
nice meme
>>890842
>Detroit
>St. Louis
>Baltimore
>Chicago
>Cleveland
>Philly
Do you need help finding the south on a map?
>>890868
>It's alright to own people as long as it makes powerful people money
>>890878
Do you know why those cities have such large black populations?
Blacks fled the south when reconstruction was abandoned. If the plantations had been converted to collective farms, the army had crushed all southern resistance, the Democratic Party had been made illegal, and the radical republican congress mobilized the nascent labor movement to organize technical schools in the south, then blacks wouldn't have fled north, and wouldn't have been turned into an internal colony, and we wouldn't have to deal with any Mugabe wannabes because we'd live in a socialist paradise.
>>889768
LOL, dude please read some fucking civil war history if you want to start shitposting.
>Shiloh
Confederate counter attack, Sherman actually fucked up his defense and had to retreat to papa Grant for help
>Vicksburg
not part of the same campaign and happened under Grant
>Kennesaw Mountain
Ok, Sherman did catch Johnston here. But unfortunately ran into a confederate force similar in size, got fucked in the ass, and lost.
>Chattanooga
led by Grant. The one assignment given to Sherman he completely fucked up.
>Atlanta
Like I said, he didn't catch Hood's army in Atlanta. They left before he entered the city.
> If they want eternal war, well and good; we accept the issue, and will dispossess them and put our friends in their place. I know thousands and millions of good people who at simple notice would come to North Alabama and accept the elegant houses and plantations there. If the people of Huntsville think different, let them persist in war three years longer, and then they will not be consulted. Three years ago by a little reflection and patience they could have had a hundred years of peace and prosperity, but they preferred war; very well.
> Last year they could have saved their slaves, but now it is too late.
> All the powers of earth cannot restore to them their slaves, any more than their dead grandfathers. Next year their lands will be taken, for in war we can take them, and rightfully, too, and in another year they may beg in vain for their lives. A people who will persevere in war beyond a certain limit ought to know the consequences. Many, many peoples with less pertinacity have been wiped out of national existence.
How could one man be so based?
Shit I live in Texas and I find it hilarious how butthurt Southerners get over him
>>890901
put your fedora away man. The idea that any of that was even plausible is hilarious.
>>890919
It was literally a proposed option.
The Republican Party and Union army in the Midwest was dominated by German immigrants who fought in 48, were radical abolitionists, and Marxists.
Lincoln was corresponding with Marx ffs.
>>890885
>he doesn't know the north industrialized off the back of slavery
oy vey
>>890926
>The Republican Party and Union army in the Midwest was dominated by German immigrants who fought in 48, were radical abolitionists, and Marxists.
dude.... you're an idiot
>>887843
>The confederate flag isn't inherently racist
I had a teacher in high school who was literally triggered by Sherman.
We got to the Civil War and Sherman's March and he went on a rant about how Union soldiers burned down all the railroads and buildings in the South and how Sherman was a war criminal.
I don't remember his exact words, but I do remember the butthurt.
>>890930
Stay assmad familia
>>890953
assmad at what? Your alternative history that didn't happen?
>>890959
>continuing to deny the well know historical connection between radical republicans and socialism
>totally not mad
>>890975
>Radical Republicans
>extremely religious
>obsessed with wage labor
>obsessed with white settlement in indian territory
>made up of former know nothings
>backed by rich industrialists
funny joke
>>890901
Re reading the Battlecry of Freedom recently I'm kind of surprised a few of these things didn't happen. By 1864 for certain the Dems should have been banned as they advocated open treason and were engaged in rampant profiteering and copperheadism.
Similarly the fact they were actually kind to the southern plantation owners was disgusting. The fact Jeff and Lee weren't shot as traitors who committed high treason is proof of thus. Reconstruction absolutely should have been on the lines of radical land redistribution and total disenfranchisement of confederate sympathizers.
Same time it is true it was quite politically hard and like >>890994 pointed out many of the radical republicans were essentially Evangelical Protestants and capitalists
As Marx noted they were progressive for their time- but as a stick with which to smash slaveocracy. They became a liability within a couple generations. The actual correspondence between Lincoln and Marx wasn't tjat large as end of the day Marx was a.revolutionist and Lincoln a reformist
Also in the Civil war Sherman did nothing wrong
>>891030
>believing McPherson
>>891044
>t. buttblasted neoconfederate
I love how 1/3 of that book is direct quotes and people still get asspained
>M-muh Lost Cause
>M-muh soulless capitalists
>>891108
>Lost Cause
>neoconfederate
Muh buzzwords
>I love how 1/3 of that book is direct quotes
>what is cherry picking
I think it's hilarious how much McPherson rides Sherman's dick while advocating extreme reconstruction efforts. Go read Sherman's memoirs and you'd realize he was pretty adamant about pardoning and siding with the ex confederates. He disliked southern unionists and northern abolitionists and thought they need to put the ex-confederate officer corp on the northern payroll.
>>891134
>it's cherry picked!
>even when it's in massive quantities.clearly showing the south were retard rednecks obsessed with preserving slavery
But it's ok he's bad lol because le ebin fight for liberty to own slaves :^)
Also he doesn't actually state Sherman was a good person, just a good general. He reserves that more for Grant and Lincoln but then again he writes facts
I love how only McPherson who utterly BTFO neoconfederate Lost Cause bullshit can trigger southerners as much as Sherman's actions
Disenfranchise the confederates, radical Reconstruction now
>>891168
>trigger
>retard rednecks
>le ebin
>neoconfederate Lost Cause conspiracy
and absolutely nothing of substance, thanks for your comment.
>Disenfranchise the confederates, radical Reconstruction now
That already happened and failed. Their reconstruction plans were dumber than Bush's post Iraq War occupation plans. Yet, modern day revisionist historians will continually ignore all facts on the ground and prop up their fairy tale reconstruction scenario.
>>891234
>LOL THE LACK OF SUBSTANCE
>man whose only comment was lol McPherson was wrong the south is good Boys dindu nuffin
Get out you aren't even trying to raise interesting information just cling to the idea that the south was in any way justified in chimping out and starting a massive war
>>889736
>Leeaboo
Made me kek
>>891266
>you aren't even trying to raise interesting information
I just said your precious radical reconstruction was an abysmal failure that was never going to work. Which you seemingly can't defend and instead resort to memes.
>dindu nuffin
Truly hilarious m8, top meme
>>891108
>1/3 of that book is direcet quotes
>not one mention of the corwin amendment which Lincoln supported
It's almost as if the book is biased or something
I like this thread because it basically proves that progressivism is communism.
>>890929
This is news to me. Explain.
>>891543
It has never been denied that most progressive among social movements have been communists. It has been this way since at least 1848.
Look at what Davis thought of Proudhoun and Fourier and the other early socialists.
Everybody knows that the assault on slaves was really just an assault on property at its core. The abolitionist movement finds its apex in socialism. Slaves still aren't free.
>>891641
>American colonies based on a slave economy
>1/3 of NYC are slaves as late as the Revolution
>Southern colonies hold most of the slaves
>Declaration was written by a southern slavemaster
>South was so economically profitable that the British completely pulled out of the north mid way through the revolution to focus on keeping their southern holdings
>Continental Army wins while led by another southern slavemaster
>Constitution and Bill of Rights are predominantly written by another southern slavemaster
>North is in tremendous debt after revolution while south is still profitable
>National government buys state debt to help north
>Eight of the first twelve presidents are southern slave owners
>After war of 1812, Monroe, Calhoun, and Clay (all southern slavemasters) create an economic plan to industrialize the north
>plan is based around high tariffs where the south were take a hit but northern manufacturing would be protected and grow
>tariff revenue will then be used for national projects mostly in the mid-atlantic and midwest
>#1 growing industry in the north is textiles which thrives on cheap southern cotton
>North slowly ends slavery
>allows citizens to sell slaves to the south for a return on their investment
>North grows incredibly powerful
>suddenly grows a conscious about slavery
>turns on south and destroys it
never trust the eternal yankee
Andrew Johnson screwed up Reconstruction on purpose. Even after Johnson, later Presidents and Congresses, actively kept the South from developing. Sending the population and money West.
>>891708
>implying the slave economy could've continued indefinitely
>implying industrialization and the emergence of capitalism were a Yankee conspiracy to oppress muh southron nation
>>891729
>implying the slave economy could've continued indefinitely
It probably wouldn't. Some southerners wanted to repatriate freed blacks to Africa or Haiti somewhere down the line, while others like Jefferson wanted to expand slavery into the southwest so that their wouldn't be a large concentration of blacks, allowing a easier manumission process.
>implying industrialization and the emergence of capitalism were a Yankee conspiracy to oppress muh southron nation
I literally just said the opposite. Southern Nationalists like Monroe and Calhoun were large proponents of northern industrialization.
>emergence of capitalism
is this a ruse?
muhh southern heritage
>>891765
muhh 1/16th irish 1/16 polish 1/16 pilgrim heritage
>>887952
t. Eric Foner
The man had some quotes that hit you right in the feels, I'll say that at least.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wzpnNQJ0s0
>>891782
Sherman a shit, McClellan is truly an underrated general for the Union. The man truly loved his men and was accused of being slow when the reality was he was overly cautious to safeguard their lives with as much possibility as he could.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQL_EQi3M3o
t. Virginian
>>890827
I'll admit it: Sherman was not a brilliant battlefield general. I don't want to beatify the man. He was too slow-reacting to keep up with Lee and frankly the South had better tactics and generals. I think Sherman's greatest contributions, however, were his understanding of the logistics of a modern (for the time) campaign and his appreciation of the economic realities behind the war and the political forces driving it.
>>891817
McClellan was an idiot. Sherman was overrated as fuck but at least he was competent. Grant and Thomas were the only exceptional Union Generals, although Thomas got written out of history for being a southerner, lol idk what he was expecting.
>>891782
>driving in Georgia with friends
>friend, who's driving, gets pulled over by the cops because he was doing 85
>cop comes over to the car and tells my friend : don't you know nothing goes fast in Georgia
>friend already knows he's going to get hit with a ticket
>tells the officer, "But office that's wrong,".
>the officer looks surprised
>friend tells him that Sherman marched pretty quick through Georgia
>see the officer turn from white to purple in a heart beat
>friend got a 400 dollar ticket
>>891779
>Eric "If Lincoln wasn't assassinated he would've totally changed his mind and agreed with my radical bullshit" Foner
Woodward was right, modern american historians are hacks
>>891850
was your friend named Albert Einstein
>>891850
No wonder he was speeding.
His balls were probably weighting down on the pedal.
>>891782
>while nappy and co were waging wars of hundreds of thousands of men over multiple continents, land, sea, intrigue the americuhs were fighting over cotton fields
>>891708
Sure, the textile industry was the spark that started industrialization. Just like it was in Britain, and before that with proto-industrialization in the Netherlands being based off of British wool. You know what the Brits did then? Their state put up laws and incentives to stop being just a resource feeder for their economic rivals and they developed their own textile industry.
Beyond that, are you seriously claiming pic related was built solely off of southern slave labor? No, it was precisely because the north attracted free labor that had no job prospects in the south because there was little industry (or even opportunities for yeoman landowners) beyond growing cotton in large plantations or subsistence farming.
>>887843
>tfw southerns are still poor as fuck
>tfw southerns could have completely wiped out
>tfw southerns are still lazy and incompenten as fuck and will never ever be as good as the north
It's a shame that the south wasn't purged. So much degeneracy could have been avoided.
>>891844
>McClellan was an idiot.
McClellan was a genius. He was quite frankly the best Union commander at logistics, his understanding of transportation and importance of railroad and sea to supply the Union armies, and his ability to muster and train men were unparalleled of all his Union contemporaries.
Also he was very aggressive in terms of planning and operational methodology when it came to warfare. The very start of the war when he was commissioned, he wanted to take two direct strikes on Richmond to end the war as early as possible.
Little Mac is underrated.
>>891879
He was a good tactican. Probably not as great as Lee, Hood, Stonewall, or Grant certainly but above average from the regular peer on either side and his real strength was logistics and planning.
>>891886
>Virginia
>Maryland
>poor
Also you are aware the Southeast is now the most populated region of the country, Southerners make up the overwhelming majority of our military and that the entire basis of the US navy is in Hampton Roads and Norfolk too right?
>>891895
>dump fuck retards throw their lives away just like the military knows they will
>southerns still being dump as a box of rocks
Is anti-Southern hatred the modern form of anti-kulak propaganda of the Soviet Union?
It's curious because Southern whites are accused of being hateful bigots, but this thread proves that they are the subjects of the greatest hate campaign of all time.
>>891910
>but this thread proves that they are the subjects of the greatest hate campaign of all time.
I wasn't aware southerners were being rounded up and shot en masse.
The persecution complex is real.
>>891895
Your overall point about the Southest isn't wrong, but...
> the entire basis of the US navy is in Hampton Roads and Norfolk too right?
As a San Diegan, this triggers me.
>>891168
This, desu, familia. Death to sesesh.
>>891880
Yes, Slavery was instrumental in building the early US economy and yes, southern cotton was the engine drove northern manufacturing (Textiles was way bigger than just the spark). The population difference between north and south only separated drastically during the 1830s onwards due to mass immigration from Germany and British Isles.
Also the south was incapable of industrializing due to climate.
>>888087
If you can force an enemy to give ground that's strategically valuable without fighting then you do it.
>>891932
>Also the south was incapable of industrializing due to climate.
U wot m8? Explain.
>>888136
>implying there's anything wrong with that
>>891906
>somehow misspelling dumb twice
first thing that actually triggered me in this thread
>>891895
You know, now that I think about it, Lee seems to be very overrated. He didn't win that much, and he even lost battles he should have won.
>>891944
He's probably on a phone.
>>891936
19th century factory = big ass box full of machinery with shit ventilation. Now imagine that working in the southeast from March - Oct.
The south actually started building their textile industries from the 1880s onwards. Unsurprisingly, the first electric fan was inventing in 1883 New Orleans.
>>891947
Its not so much Lee wasn't constantly winning, it was that he was able to avoid or turnaround outright defeats into stalemates several times. But he's certainly NOT overrated.
>>891960
Virginia was already decently industralized by the time of the Civil War and has the overwhelming number of railroad tracks, train stations, and production mills compared to the rest of the South combined in the Confederacy put together.
>>891958
right it is larger, I was just pointing out it's not exactly the "entire basis" of the navy. All of the Pacific fleet infrastructure is out here.
>>891947
Look at those differences in troop strength. Lee was an amazing tactician, he just didn't really have good overall strategy. However the Confederacy in general had no overall strategic or logistic chance.
>>891917
Before the kulaks were shot, there was a massive propaganda campaign against them.
It's only a matter of time before "dekulakization" begins in the South
>>891982
>this is what white people actually believe
>hot and cold taps
>faucets but they still call it TAPwater not FAUCETwater
>>891947
So Lee so be more highly rated going by those battles is what your telling me? Also McClellan really is underrated as fuck.
>>891964
>But he's certainly NOT overrated.
Confederate fanboys and civil war enthusiasts in general tend to hype him up as one of the greatest commanders of all time, but when you look into it, he seemed to be above average at best. Definitely overrated. He did some incredibly stupid things, too, like the infamous Pickett's Charge.
>>891975
In a lot of those battles he wasn't grossly outnumbered. During the Seven Days he even outnumbered McClellan, but he still came out with more casualties. He definitely had some good battles, but nothing special.
>>890885
> holding people to science that wasn't published / popular in intellectual circles at the time.
> forgetting that human rights were preserved for humans and Saharan African were seen as pseudo-human
>>892005
>people care about things that happen in good countries more than things that happened in shithole countries
>people write edgy shit for cheap views
>clearly, I have stumbled onto a great historical truth
>>891975
>the Confederacy in general had no overall strategic or logistic chance.
This. It was the same as the Japanese strategy in WW2 vs. the USA - hit hard, fast, and hope you can force political concessions because your much stronger opponent doesn't have the social or political will for a long fight. Didn't work either time, but it was pants-on-head retarded for the Confederacy, as rather than some embargos being lifted, they were asking the federal government to give up control over a huge portion of its territory. Whatever the legalities of secession, they had to know there was no way that could politically fly in DC. (Granted, I may be projecting modern conclusion back into the past, but at the very least they shouldn't have counted on such a weak response that they could outlast a much deeper-supplied opponent.) Unfortunately, I think a combination of romanticism and "muh sovereignty" legal arguments motivated the southern leadership rather than any rational assessment of the circumstances.
>>891994
>Confederate fanboys
You know that even Grant and many other of his peers and counterparts in the Union army have constantly praised Lee's tactical and strategic methods, his genius as a commander, and effect as a leader in general right?
I don't think you can hand wave his achievements away so easily and claim he's overrated, desu.
>In a lot of those battles he wasn't grossly outnumbered.
Factually incorrect.
![828582bff8d065ae675fc550106cffa8[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/BLvfWp3.jpg "828582bff8d065ae675fc550106cffa8[1].jpg")
>>891968
The entire south east had pretty good access to railroads, after all Atlanta was built around railroads. However that was most just to move product north or to ports. Also Virginia has a better climate for indoor manufacturing.
>>892005
"the leftists"
"the rightists"
>muh monolithic groups.
/pol/ pls go.
>>892005
You realize white men hold the majority of political positions in this country right? You think they're going to conduct a genocidal campaign against themselves?
I'm not really surprised though, considering /pol/tards think non-whites existing in their general vicinity is literally genocide.
>>892019
Virginia had a shit ton of textile factories and other small industrialized zones in the Northern and Central areas of the state that supplied Confederate armies with uniforms, jackets, boots, etc...
The lion share of the logistical strain was always on Virginia. And the Virginian Central Railroad was the most pivotal lifeline that kept the South going as long as it did.
>>892019
I don't think Georgia was quite as far along as Virginia anon, climate differences or not.
>>892017
>You know that even Grant and many other of his peers and counterparts in the Union army have constantly praised Lee's tactical and strategic methods, his genius as a commander, and effect as a leader in general right?
Of course they're going to say that. Why would they try to downplay his abilities? It would just make them look even poorer in comparison. Making your enemies look powerful is something that has been done since antiquity, most notably by the Greeks and the Romans.
>I don't think you can hand wave his achievements away so easily and claim he's overrated, desu.
I'm not hand waving his achievements. I'm just saying that his achievements aren't that great when you put them into perspective. He was one of the greatest generals of the civil war, but not of History.
>Factually incorrect.
You must not know a lot about warfare in the 19th century to say that. 2:1 ratios were pretty common, and they were often won by the outnumbered side.
>>891994
Confederate fanboys jerk off to Forrest and Jackson. Lee is just overall understood to be a phenomenal commander, both north and south, for over a hundred years. The only people who shit on him are yankeeboos who literally can not deal with hearing one good thing about the south.
>>891886
>south
> Degenerate
Have you ever seen NYC, Boston, Chicago, Detroit, Rochester, Maryland inner city?
The south is poor, but its still very religious and holds its citizens to a much higher standard.
> inb4 south-fag ive lived in both and would prefer the mountains of Georgia with its poor but genuine people to in NYC where some polyamirous fat acceptance fox-kin has to tell me about how privileged i am on my way to work.
>>892059
>breitbart
>muh white genocide
>"dekulakization"
>the south is good boys
Opinion discarded
>>892044
ok, I'm not trying to underrate Viriginian manufactoring mate. I was just telling that anon why the Deep South wasn't industrializing like the northeast. Cotton production was just a better return on investment.
>>892055
Sheridan and Sherman both constantly got their teeth kicked in by men who were vastly inferior to Lee in the first place. You can't dismiss this at all for shit, dude.
>of history
No one ever said Lee was the greatest general in history. Who said that?
>You must not know a lot about warfare in the 19th century
t. armchair general
Also majority of the victories and stalemates Lee pulled off were against consistently more powerful, better equipped, and larger Union armies. All of the hallmarks of a great general in the making.
>>892057
>Forrest
I don't think even a single person has mentioned his name in this thread until just now with you doing it.
>Jackson
Nah he's good too.
>>892082
Climate aside, I'll admit that cotton was a *fantastic* return on investment. It just also happened to be a long-term dead-end trajectory.
Who knew that a shitpost like this could actually produce meaningful discussion.
>>892059
>>892073
Southern whites would probably have a greater potential for radicalization than northerners, really. Sure, they lean conservative, and northerners generally like to pay lip-service to progressive and mildly socialist causes, but in reality your average Yankee is too enamored with his middle class, bourgeois lifestyle to ever do anything more meaningful than vote Sanders and maybe run a tumblr blog.
Southerners are familiar with the day to day realities of Proletarian life. If a socialist movement was to pop up, as long as you didn't use the word 'Communism' and put up red flags everywhere, I think southerners would probably be pretty receptive tbqh.
>>892021
> Everyone needs to be addressed as an individual and generalizing political ideologies is inherently wrong
>every conversation lasts 4 days because you have to address EVERY FUCKING POLITICAL STANCE for each person
Generalizing is necessary stop being silly
>>892102
Well then marxists should stop trying to destroy everything they hold culturally dear.
>>892102
I see where your coming from but your assertion is dependent on people acting primarily in a self interested manor and not holding to cultural values, generally the poor will be helped the most by socialist policy but historically ( at least in America) poor people find free things and high taxes to be morally distasteful
>>892057
>The only people who shit on him are yankeeboos who literally can not deal with hearing one good thing about the south.
I'm not shitting on him, and I'm not a yankeeboo. In fact, I'm not even American. I just think he is overrated. Note that overrated does not necessarily mean bad. I don't think that he was bad at all.
>>892092
>Sheridan and Sherman both constantly got their teeth kicked in by men who were vastly inferior to Lee in the first place. You can't dismiss this at all for shit, dude.
I never said Sheridan and Sherman were better than Lee. In fact, I think Sherman is very overrated. Even more than Lee.
>No one ever said Lee was the greatest general in history. Who said that?
Confederate fanboys tend to say that he is ONE OF THE greatest generals in History. Never claimed that anybody said that he was THE best.
>Also majority of the victories and stalemates Lee pulled off were against consistently more powerful, better equipped, and larger Union armies. All of the hallmarks of a great general in the making.
It's above average, but nothing particularly great for his era, or, in fact, any era. A "great" general wouldn't order a desperate bayonet charge against a fortified, numerically superior opponent.
>>892138
well of course he's going to be overrated if your holding him to the perceived standard of "greatest generals in history", but most americans, even confederate fanboys wouldn't make that claim. He is definitely top 5 in American History I'd say.
>>892102
Small landowning farmers will NEVER support socialism.
>>892138
Where did anyone here say Lee was the greatest general in history? You know what the first thing Union military propaganda did when Little Mac won two minor battles? Proclaim him the American Napoleon.
I have seen no evidence of anyone here wanking Lee.
>>892138
for his era, most would never be put in that position. The Confederates held on a lot longer than most 19th century militaries would've and Lee was in incredibly desperate straits. Gettysburg was the only chance they had.
>>892102
>your average Yankee is too enamored with his middle class, bourgeois lifestyle
>Southerners are familiar with the day to day realities of Proletarian life.
>There are not vast rural areas and huge economically depressed areas in the North.
>Only the South has REAL blue-collar honest working people. They're definitely not the silent majority all across the country, even in the "degenerate" northern cities. It's definitely not just that the tumblr crazies are the squeaky wheels getting the grease.
For fuck's sake mate.
>>892165
Guess your country never tried corporatism.
>>892165
>Small landowning farmers
So how are things in 1800? Democratic-Republican or Federalist?
>>892102
Greater Appalacia has historically leaned left in terms of labor causes. For that matter, so has a lot of the mountain west. It's only with actual economic issues being trumped by NY/SF identity politics that many lower-class "Southerners" have gone left "right". They're on the "right" end of a social axis but at least logically should be more towards the left end of an economic one (although the two axes aren't entirely independent due to social and economic institutions naturally being intertwined.)
>>892104
Can we get back to the Civil War, please?
>>892191
I kek'd.
>>892196
Something about the fact that Miami has just been abandoned to the Cubans cracks me up.
>>892188
Southern Portugal had large aristocracy owning lands. It's the same in Spain, it's why communism was so popular in Andalusia but not in Northern Spain, where small landowning farmers were the norm.
I actually think it's a good thing that the South lost the civil war and it's native aristocracy was destroyed, otherwise they would become just another shithole like Latin American countries.
>it's an american ""history"" episode
>>888083
>marching an army of 100k or so soldiers across a large swath of land after cutting your supply lines and getting by only by foraging isn't impressive
sad logistics fan.jpg
13th and 14th Amendments are not Constitutional.
Most of the CSA state governments did not approve the amendments. the Union military occupation forced the CSA state governments to sign or dissolved the state governments and replaced them.
>>891895
>Little Mac is underrated.
explain the Seven Days then....
>>891879
>McClellan wasn't an amazing commander, but he deserves credit for being the first to inflict a major defeat on Lee.
>YFW if Pope had been the commander at Sharpsburg the ANV would have been virtually destroyed.
poor Pope. never had a chance.
>>892375
all they needed were Louisiana and Tennessee to approve them to get to 2/3rd....they got it.
>neither state were really subject to reconstruction.
>>891870
>Implying the Napoleonic wars hadn't already ended over 40 years beforehand
>>892058
>but its still very religious
Saying muh bahble doesn't make you religious
>>892382
>McCellelan
>Seven Days Battles
So instead of having his army get completely routed after losing the intiative, he's able to retreat in good order, dig in and use his superior artillery to avoid annihilation out of Virginia in the face of Lee's advance?
Sounds like a good general to me.
Literally the south got off lucky, I woulve loved to see Radicals like Thadeus Stevens get their way and turn the entire shithole war losing region into a smoldering pile of ash. Your retarded system of slavery also is the reason why we have so many SJW and BLM without you we couldve been am mostly homogenous nation of whites with some Mexicans and would be even better off than we are now. Fuck the south for stunting the growth of this country.
>>892647
>I am the Napoleon Messiah of the Union
>jk guise, I'm not actually gonna fight unless you force me to :^)
>when I do fight, I won't take any risks
Shit general and a shit man, only reason he didn't wind up on the wrong side of a firing squad for treason and copperheadism was his influence
>DUDE RACISM IS BAD MKAY
>generalizes every southern white as a stupid inbred
Why are Yankees so pretentious?
>>892751
>being this bootyblasted over a 150 year old war
>>892848
You should be killed southern faggot
>>892751
>blaming others for the reason your region is full of SJW cucks and BLM
lol
>>892854
>the north really thinks they can put up a fight
This thread proves the Dunning School was right. Reconstruction was driven by vicious hatred of Northerners against Southern whites.
>>892854
You had a chance to let us go but you threw away the lives 300,000 dumb yankees to keep us, you don't get to complain
>>892884
>let us go
They shouldn't have left you alive
Independent or not
>>892909
t. rustbelt juggalo
>>892647
>throws away every single opportunity that comes his way to inflict decisive defeats on the Confederacy
>cries that despite having a hundred thousand men his enemy surely has two hundred thousand and he needs more
>has no respect for the chain of command or his commander-in-chief
>"little Napoleon" couldn't gamble for shit
Really one can sum up little Mac in one word:
>Antietam
>>891817
Only a fuckin' Virginian would say McCucklan was anything less than a pathetic retard with a Napoleon complex. He squandered literally every chance he had to secure advantages with his superior numbers, training, and firepower, and got way more men killed than would have if he hadn't been such a limp wrist.
>>892871
What does that say about you retards down South that we kicked your ass so hard a hundred years ago that you're still buttblasted about it? Northern men might be faggots but you hicks are even lower than them.
>>893165
You're the only one who seems upset, lad.
>>892647
>completely routed.
The Union won all but one of the battles during the 7 days and decisively beat the Confederates at Malvern Hill...............BUT LOST THE 7 DAYS.
Little Mac could have won the war there but let Lee beat him.
>>891782
Start shit, get hit.
>>892058
>t. Never been to Detroit
If you think those niggers aren't religious you have another thing coming. That and at least their religion has texture to it. Southern white churches are born of poverty and the worst personality. It's anger or ridiculousness instead of grandeur or happiness.
>>892058
>polyamorous fat acceptance fox-kin
You've never been above the mason-dixie line, have you.
>>889858
>be uneducated, smelly southerner infested with hookworms
>work for 0.01% of the population who controls 99.99% of the entire region's wealth and land
>die in droves so they can try to keep other humans as property and live in a decentralized, ineffectual confederacy doomed to agrarian irrelevance if they somehow succeed
>>893183
I don't know, who are the ones that keep bringing up the war?
Because last time I checked it was the people who see anti-intellectualism as a virtue.
>>901835
>I don't know, who are the ones that keep bringing up the war?
judging from OP, northerners.
>>900343
still less yankees in the world because of it, god bless them
>tfw your ancestors came over from england for the sole purpose of slaughtering godless, subhuman southerners
I still find it funny that every time sherman and the whole civil war gets mentioned in /his/, it's guaranteed replies from assblasted southerners. Granted, some aren't but those that are stand out. The union won and the confederacy lost. Me, I'm just glad that the USA is still in one piece and anybody that wants to secede should consider killing themselves.
>>893183
>Y-you're mad!
Why wouldn't I be? Subhuman filth continues to thrive and complain about losing the fight that they started. At least the Jews have the good sense to integrate and take over wherever they get kicked that millennium, Southerners can't even do that.
>>887968
my coffee
>>887843
>40 acres and a mule
Cluck cluck cluck cuck
never forget
https://desustorage.org/his/thread/20305/
>>888136
>People have to be addressed as a package deal, and can't be lauded for their accomplishments, and scolded for their mistakes simultaneously.
It's called Kiss 'n' slap, dude. There would be no cronyism for those fighting the good fight if we didn't have a little Kiss 'n' slap.
One side lost, the other went on the murder civilians all across the globe under the guise of liberation.
>>902093
Because Sherman was somewhat of a bitch. At least post a real general like Grant or Sheridan.
>>890915
What I don't understand is why people are even mad about it
shit happened 150 years ago
shit I don't hold it against you guys for leaving the Union, why would you care about some autist burning Atlanta? Not like anyone we know was alive at that time.
>>901835
>>901877
The sea change was really the shooting of the black church by Dylan Roof. Once it came to light that he was into all that lost cause bullshit, the searing light of public scrutiny was shined on the movement and its ideas and now there's a far larger number of people who are aware of how ridiculous the lost cause is and troll southerners for that very reason.
Before Dylan Roof, these kinds of conversations were extremely rare and the kooks essentially dominated the discussion.
>>902570
Dylan Roof had nothing to do with the lost cause. His manifesto was mostly /pol/ bullshit about murder stats and race wars.
>>887843
>MFW the golden statue of him at Central Park
God bless the New Yorkers
>>887843
>Was one of the only high-ranking members of the Union Army who realized that a Civil War wouldn't be a quick skirmish, but a brutal, drawn out, bloody war
>Drinks himself half to death because he knows all that despair is coming and he can't convince anyone to stop it
>Eventually is forced to sober up and serve
>Bases his ENTIRE strategy on the mission of ending the War as quickly as possible, by ANY means necessary, for the express purpose of ending the bloodshed as soon as he can
>Is REPEATEDLY reprimanded by his superiors for being too LENIENT with surrendering armies. Doesn't care; his only goal is to end the suffering, and he won't add to it by punishing men who have laid down their arms
>Is a key figure in finally ending the damnable destruction
>After he dies, a CONFEDERATE Veteran General catches pneumonia at his funeral because he resolutely refused to wear his hat in a bitter rainstorm out of respect
>Modern Day South
"SHERMAN WUZ THE DEVIL!!!1!! WURST MAN WHO EVA LIVED!!1!!1"
>mfw
Sherman was a fucking hero and should be celebrated on both sides of the Mason-Dixon
>>902648
I'm not talking about Dylan Roof himself, I'm talking about the way people reacted to him.
They saw him with the flag of Rhodesia, a symbol of white supremacism, but there were also numerous pictures of him waving a rebel flag, and that provoked a national discussion about the symbol which ultimately resulted in South Carolina taking it off their capitol building.
Before this conversation, the kooks dominated the discussion and it only rarely came up enough for anyone to oppose them. During the Dylan Roof episode actual historians and journalists took a good hard look at the lost cause and dug up enough primary sources to essentially demolish every single argument that they could conceivably make.
Nowadays they get trolled on the daily for being a bunch of dindus by Yankee sympathizers
>>903025
It really disappoints me how the South used to be known for gentlemen and good military leaders, and now it's just a bunch of backwood WEWUZ hicks and niggers.
>>904028
What "conversation" are you talking about exactly anon?
The only event I remember happening was vanguard crypto-Marxists bullying the public with their "it's 2015 come on we're better than this" rhetoric with the aim of deconstructing American history while stoking racial tensions to destabilize the capitalist institutions of this country.
Nothing has changed in the historical discussion of the Civil War. Only an idiot could believe that "actual historians" completely neglected to examine the single most calamitous war in this nation's history until some deranged faggot shot up a church.
>>904081
>vanguard crypto-Marxists
>deconstructing American history
>destabilise the capitalist institutions of the country
wow
>>904028
>provoked a national discussion about the symbol
Between who? Liberal activists and millinial bloggers?
>resulted in South Carolina taking it off their capitol building
They took it off their capitol building in 2000 and put it by the confederate soldiers memorial you dolt. They also built a big ass memorial to slaves as well. The congressmen who got shot even voted for that bill. Of course the Liberals decided to ignore the compromise and move the goalposts like they always do, which is why you should've never listened to them in the first place.
>>904044
Then why won't Yankees stop moving here? Seriously, they need to fuck off back to New Jersey.
>>904028
If he's really such a Rhodesian, why did he shoot a bunch of Wolof and Mande instead of Bantus?
What did West Africa ever do to him?
>>904607
They can do it cause it's America you inbred autist. They can move wherever they want and live wherever they want. Any person can do that. Yes, even you have the right to move to another place.
>>902323
He was good enough to make rednecks bitch about him more than a 100 years after his death.
>>888083
Found the ass-blasted Southerner who still thinks an industry-less, agricultural-based, fragmented confederacy could have fought off the industrial giant of the north
>>904711
>lololol the south is shit
>then why are y'all moving here
>because it's a free country
Haha Great logic son. Have fun with your decaying manufacturing, SJWs and shit weather.
>>904736
>confederacy could have fought off the industrial giant of the north
Do you understand the meaning of the phrase Lost Cause? There is literally no one in the south who thought they could've won.
>>890910
Sherman's outmaneuvered JE Johnston every step of the way to Atlanta; Johnston should have put up a better fight. Kennesaw mtn was a Confederate victory because Sherman didnt have time to outflank Johnston because of the poor weather; Johnston (probably) could have put up a better fight on the Mountain but didnt and got outflanked YET AGAIN.
Sherman outmaneuvered his Confederate opponent time and time again with an army of comparable size; the Confederate leadership recognized this and got rid of Johnston, but it didn't help them in the end. Hood fucked up even harder. The loss of Atlanta was a great failure of the Confederacy- Lee would not have let it happen as it did. Don't pretend the Union had overwhelming numbers because they didn't.
>love America
>can't stand Soutnerners
What do?
>>904745
>Sherman outmaneuvered his Confederate opponent time and time again with an army of comparable size
>Don't pretend the Union had overwhelming numbers because they didn't.
You can't honestly believe that. Sherman had a vastly larger army, there is no honest way you can deny that. And if by "repeatedly outmaneuver" you mean basic flanking on a much smaller army then yeah, what a genius. He had an army of over 110,000 before he even entered the outskirts of Atlanta.
>>904784
>love America
>hating the region that made Washington, Jefferson, Jackson, Madison, Rock, Blues, Jazz and Bluegrass
Sounds like you don't love America
>>892042
>You realize white men hold the majority of political positions in this country right? You think they're going to conduct a genocidal campaign against themselves?
Hmm I wonder if that's why the Left is so intent on combatting "systemic White supremacy" in 21st century American institutions, which is clearly just a code phrase for removing white people from positions of power over minorities....
>>904081
>>904573
>Between who?
>What "conversation" are you talking about exactly anon?
The national conversation. For like a week it was all over reddit, all over /b/, all over the opinion shows and in all the newspapers. If you two missed it then it was because you probably weren't paying attention or because you're butt-blasted right-wing southerners still in denial
>The only event I remember happening was vanguard crypto-Marxists bullying the public with their "it's 2015 come on we're better than this" rhetoric with the aim of deconstructing American history while stoking racial tensions to destabilize the capitalist institutions of this country.
Gee, that's funny, because what I remember is right wingers getting stomped by a fresh wave of objective analysis, by actual historians pulling out actual hard evidence to show just how full of holes their entire "Confederacy wasn't about slavery they dindu nuffin!" argument is. Of course you probably remember it differently because you were probably one of the hoohaws getting his shit pushed in.
>They took it off their capitol building in 2000 and put it by the confederate soldiers memorial you dolt.
July 2015 was when they removed it from the capitol grounds and into a museum where it belonged you hair-splitting sperg
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/07/10/confederate-flag-removal_n_7769300.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/10/us/south-carolina-confederate-battle-flag/
>>905091
>/b/
>newspapers editorials
>representation of the average american
Kek, find me one reputable poll where over 40% of Americans find the rebel flag offensive.
Don't pretend the Union had overwhelming numbers because they didn't.the confederate
>mixing up two separate events a decade apart
>splitting hairs
>butt blasted
Do you normally resort to ad hominem when confronted?
>>905110
>The post I replied to was asking why and I gave a reason why
Google the definition of the word "Then"
>>891879
MUH LIL MAC
Brilliant at teh logistics and organization
Horrible at strategy and tactics
But he built the Federal Army from nothing.
>>905159
>Kek, find me one reputable poll where over 40% of Americans find the rebel flag offensive.
What people want it to be and what it actually is are two completely different things.
The rebel flag in its modern usage was never actually used by the CSA (and spare me the obscure naval jack). And no, it's not even the Battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia. It was adopted in the 1950's specifically as a show of support for segregation. That there are a huge number of dupes out there who continue to let apologists pull the wool over their eyes comes as no surprise to me, as there are a huge number of people who have trouble admitting that reality has an innate liberal bias.
>Do you normally resort to ad hominem when confronted?
Do you normally shrivel like a little bitch when confronted with factual evidence? You southerners talk a mean game but you get so damn sensitive when a yankee gives you your proper licks.
>>904784
Its a big country. Keep out, Yankee.
>>904784
As an American who has lived in the north and south (and consider myself a proud Yankee Unionist), southerners get a bad rap because we hire the really stupid ones to put on the black-face and entertain us. So we all have this image in our head as southerners being a bunch of shabby ill-bred sister banging yucking idiots, but that's a stereotype that visitors will quickly realize when they actually go to the nice areas of the south and meet people who are genuinely the nicest and most authentic people you'll ever meet. I've lived in every corner of the country and no other city has the class and elegance of Charleston, South Carolina.
Just don't get them talking about politics or religion and you'll come to fucking love southerners as I still do, even though I think the whole "lost cause of the south" is a load of hogwash.
>>905273
It was used in the second world war as well
>>904784
Put an "h" in South you dumbass.
>>905308
>I don't like thing
>I still do thing because it is a free country.
>>905451
>le one guy
I never said that you fucker.
>>905260
He defeated Lee twice.
>>905273
>The rebel flag in its modern usage was never actually used by the CSA
>It was adopted in the 1950's specifically as a show of support for segregation.
>this is what liberals actually believe
see pic and stop believing what you read on Salon m8
>Do you normally shrivel like a little bitch when confronted with factual evidence?
when did you start posting facts?
>>905672
>see pic and stop believing what you read on Salon m8
OH! I guess I'll stop reading the news and start believing artifact ridden jpegs which deliberately ignore vast amounts of context and scale
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150626-confederate-flag-civil-rights-movement-war-history/
http://www.confederatepastpresent.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=163:confederate-symbols-at-the-1948-dixiecrat-convention&catid=36:the-civil-rights-era&Itemid=47
http://www.encyclopediaofalabama.org/article/h-1477
According to The Confederate Battle Flag: America’s Most Embattled Emblem by John M. Coski, (http://www.amazon.com/gp/search?index=books&linkCode=qs&keywords=9780674029866) that though the Dixiecrats don't last very long, their campaigns “made the flag a fixture in places where it had been only a novelty before.” Coski gives the example of the University of Mississippi, which he notes rarely used the battle flag as a symbol prior to 1948. He says the university began heavily incorporating the symbol into school activities and events a few months after students protested against Truman’s civil rights proposals.
>when did you start posting facts?
A better question might be "when will you stop obscuring them under mountains of politically motivated half-truths?"
>>905727
lol so you just completely changed your argument? Who gives a fuck if the Dixiecrats used the confederate flag? The Tea Party and Libertarian Party use the Gadsen flag, the KKK of the early 20th century used the American flag. Your initial argument of "the confederate flag only came into use by segregationists is 50s" was proved to be of bullshit, it's been used throughout the south before segregation even became a issue.
>>887968
Ever since they started using both male and female names for hurricanes I've been patiently waiting for Hurricane Sherman just to see if it heads strait for the Carolina's.
I don't expect to be disappointed.
![rich620[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/0ZERln3.jpg "rich620[1].jpg")
>>905273
are you really trying to argue that the rebel flag in modern usage is not the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia?
>>891782
>make country based off letting taxpayers be represented in governments
>don't let southerners be represented by government
>fuck over southern economy with tariffs
>refuse to let states who willingly joined the union leave peacefully
>go to war against them
>win and unnecesarily destroy all the industry there
>instead of waging 20 year guerilla war, south surrenders instantly
>go back to abusing south
>say it was about slavery retrospectively despite abusing citizens through factory conditions worse than slaves had in the south
are northerners
>>905839
[spoiler]human?[/spoiler]
>>887968
cool forward grandpa! except for the fact that Sherman didn't burn anything in NC.
>>892012
I'm not a historian by any stretch of the imagination but I've been taught over and over again about the First (and Second) Battle of Bull Run. Had the Confederates pursued the Union forces to Washington D.C. would that have changed anything? Could they have forced a quick conclusion to the war by capturing some or all of the U.S. government?
>>905839
It was the south who fired the first shots and both sides contributed to the escalation of war. And the wealth of the south was mainly in the hands of a few people, which was also the same in the north.
>>905871
Washington D.C. was in the South. Virginia had seceded and Maryland had very strong confederate sympathies. So strong, Lincoln ordered martial law in Maryland and it was occupied by federal troops. If lee did capture D.C. Lincoln and the US government could easily have fled north and the capture of the Union's capitol would only stoke the north's desire for war. Even during the attack on fort sumter they didn't kill any union soldiers and actually sent them back to the north free men.
Like posters have said above, the south was very disadvantaged and much smaller than the north. Their only chance was through getting the Union to negotiate, which Lincoln refused to even meet with them. The Confederacy was really nothing more than "muh honor" on steroids and was mostly pushed by the state legislatures, Jefferson Davis didn't even want to secede.
>>905839
>>fuck over southern economy with tariffs
more scapegoating. The tidewater states were the wealthiest in the country before the invention of the cotton gin. Several decades afterwards southern economy was dilapidated with slave-worked cotton being its only major export. The overwhelming majority of Southern whites were being driven off their farms and into poverty while their northern peers were getting jobs in factories and textile miles. Northern property owners still had access to capital and could leverage against it while starting a business, while in the south all of the capital was concentrating into the hands of a few powerful plantation owners who threw all of their eggs in the political speculation basket.
The south fucked their own economy. Slavery rotted it from the inside out. The tariffs were in place because northern businessmen were finding it patently unfair to be asked to compete against enterprises which don't have to make payroll.
>>906088
>The tariffs were in place because northern businessmen were finding it patently unfair to be asked to compete against enterprises which don't have to make payroll.
How the fuck would northern manufacturing and southern cotton be competing with each other? The tariffs were put in place to stop competition with British manufacturing.
>>905322
There's a huge DIY art/film/music movement going on in the south right now. Most people probably wouldn't think much about that. I would argure that we will see a major cultural change in the south within the next 10 years.
>>905824
>are you really trying to argue that the rebel flag in modern usage is not the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia?
Yes
The Battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia is a square.
The "rebel flag" is rectangular.
I know it may seem nit-picky, but in flag terms that's a pretty significant difference. The only place that the confederates actually used a rectangular St. Andrews cross flag was as an obscure naval jack, and it was only a rare curiosity until the counter-movement to the civil rights movement picked up steam in the late 1940's
>>906162
Everything you need to know about the tariff myth. explained by a professional
http://imperialglobalexeter.com/2015/03/02/debunking-the-civil-war-tariff-myth/
As usual, it's southern scapegoating at its finest.
Why are yankees still so mad about the fact that the south will rise again at some point?
>>906264
More like hillbillies bitching and whining like usual.
>>906227
I'm not the anon you responded to. I just pointed out your misunderstanding about the effects of tariffs. The tariff that pissed off the south was back in 1828.
>>906264
>targeting women and children
I like this meme, especially when sherman is involved.
![RTX1HF3B-1024x734[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KI4YGeB.jpg "RTX1HF3B-1024x734[1].jpg")
>>906189
you know the flag on the SC state grounds was square, right?
>>906264
>Why are yankees still so mad about the fact that the south will rise again at some point?
We're not mad, we're antsy. Our country would be a better place if all the rednecks gave us an excuse to cull them. We're just waiting for you to grab your cocks and actually try.
>>906331
And now its in a museum, where it damn well belongs
>>906342
you realize your military is full of rednecks right?
>>906350
>lose argument
>go back to insults
nothing to see here
>>906354
so is the police department which brought Ammon Bundy to justice. Whats your point? That they'll put your bullshit ideology over their sworn duties as men in uniform?
>>906354
And do you know how many would defect? You should just kill yourself for wanting the USA to go to another civil war just so that your retarded fantasies can be fulfilled.
>>906362
Probably the ideology, to be honest.
They signed up to defend the homeland against all enemies foreign and domestic.
If you convince them that you're a domestic enemy, the next step is inevitable.
>>906358
There is no "lose" retard. The rectangular "rebel flag" was specifically adopted by the Dixiecrats in 1948 which is when it became broadly popular symbol for segregation and Jim Crow and opposition to Civil Rights. It is NOT the battle flag of the army of northern Virginia, and the two symbols should never be confused. What ever identity it had prior to 1948 was as a rare curiosity.
That's your heritage: enslavement of blacks in one era, disenfranchisement and persecution in another, and sore losers in all of them.
>>906374
>Probably the ideology, to be honest.
Ha! That's what Ammon Bundy was banking on, too. And look where that got him?
Law Enforcement are too smart for that shit. They learned their lesson from Waco and know how to take the wind right out of any secessionist movement's sails before they even get off the ground.
>>906533
There's a difference between some guy taking over a bird sanctuary and culling the rednecks.
You're absolutely right that LE can keep any secessionist movement down.
But if that failed, I would expect the military not to be very reliable politically.
>>906515
>make inane declaration
>shown photographic evidence to the contrary
>repond with insult
>get called out
>repeat same initial inane argument like a robot
>add meme tagline
keep repeating yourself, it's hilarious. every statement you've said is wrong and has been disproved by anons in this thread. stay angsty my liberal friend.
>>906543
>But if that failed, I would expect the military not to be very reliable politically.
Unless we're talking about an apocalyptic scale calamity (yellow stone erupting?) it just doesn't seem likely that any grassroots secessionist movement could ever gather enough steam to overwhelm law enforcement.
>>906543
The military has shown to have a history of working very well with the government. The military provoked the war with Mexico and followed government orders to kick out the Indians. They even intervened in Latin America to protect the business interests.
>>906570
>keep repeating yourself
Dear god you are fucking dense
>>shown photographic evidence to the contrary
You mean that shitty jpeg which I later put down with citations? Yeah, hilarious
>keep repeating yourself, it's hilarious. every statement you've said is wrong and has been disproved by anons in this thread. stay angsty my liberal friend.
Ha! Watching you squirm is worth every minute. You have a way of making your hurt feelings and delicious tears the center of every discussion.
>>906606
>I later put down with citations?
I never denied that the Dixiecrats used the confederate flag, which is all your citations have pointed out and really the only thing you can prove. Saying the Dixiecrats "made it popular" is such a subjective statement (which is now your argument since you earlier argument of it only existed from 50's onward proved to be completely wrong). Regardless of it's association with the Dixiecrats/segregation, it's been used continuously throughout the 20th century by millions of others reasons.
>Ha! Watching you squirm is worth every minute.
lol wtf, do you say stuff like this in real life?
>>906189
>The Battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia is a square.
>The "rebel flag" is rectangular.
autism
As a Tarheel born and raised I just want to be left the hell alone in my opinion little rural corner. Yankees are annoying and I'm glad they and the beaners and niggers stay out of the country. Stick to the shitty cities and keep fucking them up, you faggots.
There's such a big fuss about everything these days and it's fucking annoying.
>>906599
You honestly don't see the difference between fighting foreigners and fighting Americans?
That's the problem with you rootless cosmopolitan liberals.
>>906720
Of course there's a fucking difference you fucking imbicile. But saying that the military will side with the rednecks for "muh dixie" is outright retarded and moronic.
>>906712
I don't give a shit about you either because you have the right to do whatever the fuck you want to do in your woods while I live in my smog infested city but hearing people talk about secession pisses me off.
>>906533
>They learned their lesson from Waco and know how to take the wind right out of any secessionist movement's sails before they even get off the ground.
Are you kidding me?
Ammon Bundy never had the support of the wider militia movement, in fact the Oath Keepers were telling people to stay away.
The collapse of that little debacle in Oregon had nothing to do with law enforcement competence and everything to do with the Bundys going off half-cocked and over extending themselves over a cause that really wasn't important in the greater scheme of things.
>>906690
Everyone in this Australian cave painting message board is autistic.
>>906743
>But saying that the military will side with the rednecks for "muh dixie" is outright retarded and moronic.
Except for the fact that the military is predominantly composed of "red-necks". Why on God's green earth would they side with YOU a person who hates everything they believe in, mocks them relentlessly at every opportunity, and for all intents and purposes hates America, over people like them?
You're right about one thing though, if these people do in fact rise up, it will not be over "muh dixie" but arrogant yankee elitists like you attempting to eradicate the values this nation was founded upon, like what happened in Georgia with that "religious freedom" bill that got vetoed thanks to pressure from international corporations.
>>906776
Do you have the stats to prove that every military personnel would fight for your cause? Cause if you don't, then it's just your fucking ego jacking off to the thought of "muh Dixie will rise again". The only problem is people like you trying to start shit by attempting to start discord over something from over 100 years ago.
How's it my fault for the shit that's going on in Georgia? I haven't gone over there forcing down a law down your throat and I even have no fucking idea what the hell you're talking about. If it was unconstitutional, then it's your fault for taking it like a bitch and then bitching at me. I'm too busy reading international news cause of jackasses like ISIS and the Chinese.
>>this triggers the southerner
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Yep
>>906681
>by millions of others reasons.
Hogwash. Just like you can't admit that the confederate war was about slavery, you can't admit that this symbol became predominately popular as a symbol of dixiecrat style racism, and "muh heritage" is pure whitewashing.
