>Stalin transformed Bolshevism into a form of Slavic Fascism
How true is this?
It was always there in Bolshevism and it started in Marxism, the idea that the ends justify the means.
>>884550
What? No? I'm not good enough in English to articulate my thoughts here but that's not true. Some radical means were taken to overthrow Nikolay II but then Bolshevism under Lenin wasn't close to Facism at all. Lots of factions (soviets) with lots of different ''écoles de pensées'' (lines of thoughts?). That's what Stalin did. He exterminated the divergences. So yes OP Stalin transformed Bolchevism into Facism (but no need to add ''slavic'' in front, or if you do so you must add a regional prefix to any form of government - American democracy, Canadian democracy, Spanish facism, etc.)
>>884578
Did Lenin and his Bolsheviks crush the autonomy of the soviets fairly quickly?
Stalinism was an outgrowth of Bolshevism but anyone who has seriously studied it will tell you that it is a distinct, totalitarian ideology. Paranoid dictatorship predicated on constant internal conflict/purges, useless attempts to predict the whims of Stalin, and misguided economic policy perpetuated by the fear of admitting failure are not "built in" to bolshevik ideology, and certainly wasn't part of the aims of moderate socialists and pragmatic communists menscheviks.
It was essentially a completely arbitrary police state that applied force blindly as a solution to almost every problem, that only managed to marshal the resources for World War II because of overseas support and the willingness to use overwhelming brutality and human power to accomplish goals.
It really isn't fundamentally different from Nazi Germany, insofar as both states were essentially based on the logical extension of the fuhrerprinzip combined with unrelenting state violence and internal political maneuvering.
>>884578
>Kronstadt rebellion
>>884585
I'm not the dude you're responding to, and this isn't my area of expertise, but yeah - the distinction between Lenin's authoritarian tendencies and Stalin's Fascism is the totalitarian nature of the Stalinist state
>>884546
Stalin's "Socialism in One Country" basically was the moment where he decided that the goal of the Bolsheviks were no longer to "lead the global proletariat revolution," but turn Russia into his own vision. That vision was not communism nor socialism: it was an extension of the state capitalism of Lenin that was intended as a temporary measure to modernize Russia. He basically just wanted the USSR to become his own totalitarian, pseudo-imperialist state, which the "fight against fascism" in the years leading up to and through WWII gave him ample excuse to get away with it.
>>884550
>Marx, a German humanist, was a Slavic fascist
ok
>>884602
I mean what Stalin did was always there.
>>884585
I'm sorry I tried to type a detailled answer but I really am not good enough in English to structure large texts with various ideas. If somebody speaks French and is willing to translate it would be a pleasure to elaborate.
For what it's worth (so basically nothing) I agree with this guy. >>884586 And what he said does not apply to Lenin's era. There totalitarian bits under Bolchevism but under Stalin the word Bolchevism itself had no meaning anymore. It was totalitarianism with a communist facade because that's what legitimated his power.
>>884588
It's a totalitarian episode and it's not the only one. What I'm saying is Stalin took Bolchevism to another level to such an extent that it cannot be called Bolchevism anymore. So when OP asks ''did Stalin transform Bolchevism into Facism?'' the answer is yes.
>actually thinking "Stalinism" existed
>>884546
Lenin did that.
>>884678
Oh, my sincerest apologies. What I meant was "non-revisionist Marxism-Leninism."
Can't allow undialectical filth taint our most refined ideology.
USSR bloc was indeed a Slavic nationalist conservative state by the end.
remember that Stalin tried to sell WWII to his populace as the war to bring communism to the fascist countries. That didn't really sell it well, so he fired that marketing team and decided to tell it as the Great Patriotic War.
Quite anathema to Marxism.
>>884546
>Slavic Fascism
>All religions are forbidden
>All parties except Central Communist party are forbidden
>Cult of internationalism
>Literally send 18yo Ivans to die for "international duty"
>>884546
> How true is this?
0.00%
>>884586
> anyone who has seriously studied
>Paranoid dictatorship
Anyone who has seriously studied Soviets would tell you that there was no dictatorship in USSR. Not until Gorbachev, at least (but he utterly failed to fully consolidate power in his hand).
>>886295
>All religions are forbidden
Stalin was the one who began the process of abandoning party focus on conflict with religion, especially the Russian Orthodox Church.
>Cult of internationalism
Again, Stalin was the one who turned the party away with that with Socialism in One Country.
Other than that:
>German Fascism
>Want to replace traditional religion with neopagan constructs and nationalist-controlled churches
>All parties except the Nazi party are forbidden
>Cult of Racialism
>Literally send 18yo Fritzes to die for "national/patriotic duty"
>>884602
>Marx
>humanist
Read Althusser
>>886369
>American "Democrasy"
>Want to replace traditional religion with muh human rights and equality
>All parties except Democrats and Republicans are forbidden
>Cult of multiculture
>Literally send 18yo Johns die for "democrasy and human rights"
>>886307
go educate yourself on soviet history
I recommend the purges
you seem like you don't know much about Russia so I'm happy to help
>>886433
That girl is kind of a qt.
>>886244
This, very much
>>886433
Story on pic?
Is it from Israel/Palestine conflict?
>>886692
Pretty sure it's from the Abu Ghraib scandal.
>>886692
No, it's Americans carry democracy and human rights to Iraq
>>886475
> the purges meme
Brainwashed much?
Go educate yourself on the meaning of the word "dictatorship".
>fascism is just a dictatorship
>>886433
>All parties except Democrats and Republicans are forbidden
the system is faulty, its not that they're banned
>>886772
Yeah. Except non-Communist parties weren't actually banned in USSR either, but we still don't accept this as an excuse.
>>886307
>USSR
>Not a dictatorship
How...?
>>886802
>Except non-Communist parties weren't actually banned in USSR either
But they were.
>The leading and guiding force of the Soviet society and the nucleus of its political system, of all state organisations and public organisations, is the Communist Party of the Soviet Union. The CPSU exists for the people and serves the people.
>The Communist Party, armed with Marxism-Leninism, determines the general perspectives of the development of society and the course of the home and foreign policy of the USSR, directs the great constructive work of the Soviet people, and imparts a planned, systematic and theoretically substantiated character to their struggle for the victory of communism.
>All party organisations shall function within the framework of the Constitution of the USSR.
>>886850
Read it carefully. That's the declaration of CPSU exclusive rights, not ban on other parties.
The "anything authoritarian that I don't like is fascism" meme is seriously fucking played out. Like how many times per day are you idiots going to discuss this shit?
>>884546
Nothing but the jude.
>>886826
Easy.
>>887732
What?
Given your terms are vacuous and your claims about external reality aren't grounded in the documentary record, you've denied the possibility of "proof" or rather "evidence of bad narratives" at all, and therefore cannot be proved wrong because you're not thinking in the least historically.
Fuck off to the other place where such fallacious reasoning is the norm.
>>887739
Not being.
>>887759
Are you gonna type a coherent sentence or not?
>>887908
I asked how was the USSR not a dictatorship.
What are "easy" and "not being" supposed to mean?
Fascism is a different ideology than Socialism, people need to realize this too begin with. Fascism is a ultra-reactionary movement that rejects "Socialism" and instead the Fascists themselves "Act as a mediator between capital and workers", in a way, Fascism is revolutionary centrism economically. Totalitarianism is misused when attributed too the USSR. Totalitarianism is a specific Fascist system of Government as well defined by Mussolini.
>>884586
I think this is the most accurate. Stalinism is it's own unique thing, it shares the state violence of Fascism, but has a different ideology at it's core and different belief structure. Stalinism doesn't believe in "mediation between worker and capital" Stalinism is still a revolutionary "violent" (As in Zizek violence) ideology that serves to overthrow Capitalism.
Didn't he wanted to start a "second" holocaust in siberia?
war i the perfect primitive act of men!
>>886727
Stalin's Russia was like, the Platonic ideal of a dictatorship, where a single ruler issued edicts with absolute authority and the vast mechanisms of a modern bureaucratic nation state responded to them, allowing him effect a massive, arbitrary genocide. He ruled by dictate - the USSR was a federation ruled by a dictator, it was a dictatorship.
>>888886
> Stalin's Russia was like, the Platonic ideal of a dictatorship, where a single ruler issued edicts with absolute authority
Stalin had practically 0 (zero) official authority as a secretary of Party. He wasn't even officially "general secretary".
He became head of Soviet government (there was no "head of state" in USSR until Gorbachev) only in 1946. Even this post didn't grant anything particularly "dictatorial". Prime ministers and presidents in the Western democracies wield more authority.
> and the vast mechanisms of a modern bureaucratic nation state responded to them, allowing him effect a massive, arbitrary genocide. He ruled by dictate - the USSR was a federation ruled by a dictator, it was a dictatorship.
>>884550
>Marx was a Slavic fascist
Top Kek was Adam Smith a Japanese Monarchist?
>>889923
Read what comes after the comma. I could have put it better though.
Lenin preached a policy of multiculturalism, in fact he was the first who said the right to self-identification of the peoples of the Russian Empire. Stalin continued his endeavors
>>889916
So you are saying that if he wanted something, there were people empowered to say: No Stalin-thats a bad idea and you have to get my ok frist to enforce it?
And that furthermore, Stalin would have actually have to listen to them?
>>884546
Stalin was, or produced national communism. It leans more on the personality cult, due to the succession wars in high Soviet politics that would happen every time the great leader died. Fascism like >>888364 said is a reactionary idea. When you look at the fascist leaders around the time of Stalin, they don't have many, if at all, inward similarities; they only really came together on their hatred of communism.
>>886433
>parties outaide of republican/democrat are forbidden
No, they just never win. This is due to an early 1900s election were two righties almost won, but canniballized eachothers votes, so the lefty won.
The two parties change policies frequently too match times, but are still shit
>>886433
>torturing prisoners to death
Isnt that against our policy? Weve had a meme humanitarian policy for like 70 years before the invasion of iraq and sadam was already dead by this point.
>>888364
>Fascism is a different ideology than Socialism, people need to realize this too begin with. Fascism is a ultra-reactionary movement that rejects "Socialism" and instead the Fascists themselves "Act as a mediator between capital and workers", in a way, Fascism is revolutionary centrism economically
Sounds like US
>>891789
epic
>>890082
Yes for fuck's sake.
As a fucking commander in chief during WWII, he had a lot of executive power over armed forces, but even then he realized that he couldn't fucking decide everything on his own. That's what Stavka (soviet high command) was established for. People there got into verbal firefights with Joe on regular basis.
In peacetime, Stalin could be cokblocked by the Supreme Soviet any day in any decision.
The problem is that his ideas were most of the time sound and favored by the majority. Majority that survived the post-civil war political cleansing.
The consensus on the Great Purge was never reached. You will get people saying that Stalin ended the Great Terror with it, getting rid of people who went by the conviction that revolution should never stop and basically went on a blood crazed rampage across the country.
So yeah, the politicians who survived post civil war actually favored Stalin. But the Soviet could still tell him to fuck off and it definitely happened more than once.
