Which was the most successful successor kingdom?
>>883366
Ptolemeys
>>883384
Right answer.
Thread over.
Seleucid obviously. they gots all that land
Third Finnish Khaganate
The Jedi Academy was at its peak at that period desu
>>883366
Ill choose answer purple: Other Greek States
>>883548
There's always one...
>>883366
When Seleucus was assassinated, he had the most substantial territory, most powerful army and the most treasure so his dynasty was clearly the biggest winner at the beginning.
But the Ptolemeys not only lasted longer, but had a much stronger grip on Greater Egypt than that of the of the other successor dynasties over their own territories
>>883366
Alex was a better man then most of us, at least more ambitious. I'd have jumped at Darius' offer, or at least stopped at Afghanistan. Time to consolidate.
They all kind of failed. Ancient Greece as we know it died with Alexander. After that they were just a bunch of petty squabbling kingdoms, until the Romans from the west and Parthians from the east took over.
>>883808
The Ptolemies had an oppressive taxsystem yet they often faced native rebellions and even uprisings in Alexandria by the mob. The Seleukid monarchs however had two stable regions in Syria and Mesopotamia which remained loyal to the dynasty even during the civil wars. Even the natives stayed with the kings.
>>883878
Fuck off Romanoi, the Ptolemies and Seleukids were the richest and most powerful states in the western hemisphere.
>>883878
Thats why Alexanders death is the transition to the Hellenistic period.
I think there's one we can rule out at least.
Okay its 270BC and you're a 25 year old Greek man with no wife, little career prospects, but a strong arm and militia experience.
Which Hellenistic state do you migrate to?
Remember, you're likely to be given a plot of land in return for military service.
Why is the Antigonid state so small compared to the other two?
>>883923
Macedon
>>883904
And Rome was so incredibly powerful that Goths, Vandals, Franks, Suebi, Aland and other Germanic tribes could loot and sack it's territory.
>>883923
The Seleukids and Ptolemies would give you a nice plot of land which makes you middle class, the Antigonids just had shitty frontierland plagued by barbarians.
>>883923
>tfw 270 is too early to go to an independent Greco-Bactrian kingdom
only choice left is the Ptolemies.
>>883882
>The Ptolemies had an oppressive taxsystem
The Ptolemaic tax and bureaucratic systems were really complex, and featured a remarkable degree of native synthesis. Strictly speaking it was not even the dynasty which caused taxes in some regions to be oppressive, they sold the taxation rights to people who would then tax their region far more than the amount the dynasty expected and would then keep the rest for themselves. In fact this is how taxation worked in large parts of the world in antiquity, taxes were oppressive because of opportunistic governors (usually) rather than due to an uncaring central administration. Modern critics usually credit ancient government with far more centralization than was actually capable in that aspect.
In fact the Ptolomies experienced far fewer large scale revolts than other hellenistic states ruling over conquered peoples and actually seemed to care about their people, all citizens had the right to petition the king directly (although most of the petitions would have been dealt with far lower down the chain than ever reaching the king) and could expect a response.
>>883948
Yeah but Rome by the time it fell was on it's last legs. Those Germanic tribes were opportunists kicking an empire while it was down.
At least you're not one of those clowns who attributes the fall of Rome to the Huns.
>>883978
Didn't most taxes go to the navy? It's rather sad how weak the Ptolemies became after Raphia.
>>884001
I'll be honest I don't know what the division of state spending was for the ptolemies, although all the hellenistic states had an obsession with navies and larger and larger useless polyremes as large as 40 deckers which don't appear to have ever been used in battle because they were likely too cumbersome to be useful (and that's presuming any commander would have dared risk such an expensive symbol of their king's power).
Hellenistic relations can be described as dick waving.
>>883388
Little reduced to a rump state of a few cities that formed a buffer zone between the Roman East and Iranian West within a few decades the Arsacids rose up.
So it'd go:
Ptolemeys > Seleucids > Antonids/Antigonids
>>883904
You know the Parni tribes were former members of a confederation of Iranic tribes allied with Scythians who were known for blowing out a lot of people's shit right?
>>884557
But the Seleucids had much more power then the Ptolemies. The Ptolemies were on the decline since Raphia.
>>885315
Then why did they last so much longer
When did the Ptolemies start incesting?
Also anyone read Christian Camerons historical fiction on Ptolemy/Alexander and his Tyrant series largely based in the diadochi wars?
>>883923
Rome.
>>885366
The Day of Eleusis.
Basically a Roman envoy told Antiochus IV to gtfo of Egypt (quite humiliatingly) or Rome would fuck the Seleucids up, Antiochus complied and the Ptolemies and Romans were best buds, ending the wars between the Seleucids and the Ptolemies.
>>885426
The Ptolemies are interesting to me because most dominant ruling classes impose their culture on the locals, but Egyptian culture must have been so strong and entrenched that the rulers ended up going native. Some cultural fusion usually occurs but not often to that extremes.
>>885457
>most dominant ruling classes impose their culture on the locals
Not really that rare.
You could point out at all the Nomadic Dynasties getting CHINESED in China.
>>883366
> tfw Seleucus got wrecked by Maurya
>>885448
This
Seleucids were so close, Rome had to step in
>>885366
Because they became a shittier client state of Rome with all of it's territory in Egypt only.
>>883923
Corinth
>>888454
Greece itself was supposedly fucking overpopulated mate. That's why, and also because you have no career prospects in this example, you have to choose a Greek colony / Hellenistic state to migrate to.
>>883907
This will never stop being funny
>>883366
Daily reminder the Indo-Greek Kingdom lasted longer than the Ptolemaic Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaic_Kingdom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Greek_Kingdom
Why did those fuckers (Persians) ever engage Alexander if pitched battle? I mean he conquered a gigantic piece of land in a few battles and a decade of campaigning, similair duration war in Europe and more than twice the number of battles scarcely saw the border shift 200 miles.
>>890606
Too centralized, if the Persian capital had fallen, the Persian Empire would've fallen.
