What would've been different if Leon Trotsky became the leader of the Soviet Union instead of Stalin?
>>869174
Soviets probably would have lost WW2
>>869188
>implying Trotsky wouldn't have conquered germany with a fraction of the losses
>>869187
Well, Trotsky had that Ancient Aliens guy's hair, so at least the monuments would be more comical in hindsight.
less purges
less bureaucracy
more interventionism in order to spread the revolution
Lenin actually preferred Trotsky over Stalin and probably wanted him to take rule after his death
>>869198
No, he also didn't want trotsky to rule, he wrote some stuff about how he didn't see trotsky fit to be a leader, but a perfect right hand man
>>869198
>more interventionism in order to spread the revolution
Where?
And wouldn't that piss of the major powers quite a bit?
>>869206
>but a perfect right hand man
That's not what Stalin was either
Trotsky fits more Lenin's description
>Comrade Stalin, having become Secretary-General, has unlimited authority concentrated in his hands, and I am not sure whether he will always be capable of using that authority with sufficient caution. Comrade Trotsky, on the other hand, as his struggle against the C.C. on the question of the People's Commissariat of Communications has already proved, is distinguished not only by outstanding ability. He is personally perhaps the most capable man in the present C.C. [Central Committee], but he has displayed excessive self-assurance and shown excessive preoccupation with the purely administrative side of the work.
>These two qualities of the two outstanding leaders of the present C.C. can inadvertently lead to a split, and if our Party does not take steps to avert this, the split may come unexpectedly.
>>869207
Yeah but that's the point of exporting armed revolution
I find it rather funny how it took educated and learned men to come up with communism, which was then promptly taken over by illiterate farmers.
I thought the whole thing was a big intellectual circle jerk thing which was supposed to be executed by urban plebs.
He wouldn't have been murdered in Mexico.
>>869251
Trotsky wasn't an illiterate farmer. Neither was Lenin.
Stalin... eh, he was a bit brutish but he had great theological education so that counts too.
>>869174
This crap would be resolved sooner.
>Plans the world revolution
>It is unable to negotiate with the enemy
>Ends with the Soviet Union invaded in all directions (again)
>The world revolution fails
>>869283
>Trotsky wasn't an illiterate farmer. Neither was Lenin.
Yeah and neither were Marx and Engel.
I was talking about Mao and Stalin and such.
>>869297
But they did try it for a second time, and we know how that ended.
>>869302
Mao was a librarian at the University of Beijing before the revolution.
>>869317
Yes, but in this case, they had time to recover. Russia has always been rich in resources and has always been an advantage, even for those who did not know how to use.
When Stalin came to power, the nascent Soviet Union was isolated from the rest of the world. It happens that, even as a bloodthirsty tyrant, he was not a Marxist fanatic. He knew it would not last in a world trying to make the "world revolution" that the lunatic in charge of the Red Army wanted.
So he reopened relations with the world, starting with Germany. He used diplomacy and time, and achieved an ephemeral survival.
>>869355
True, but he fucked it up a lot with purges and other stuff. Killing Tuhachevsky was his biggest mistake, he could've contributed enormously in the war.
Trotsky was actually a very tactful man, a brilliant organizer, he practically raised the Red Army by himself from nothing. I don't think the world revolution would be just zerg rushing on everyone. He was a poor field commander though.
>great man theory
wew
>>869355
World Revolution is the entire point of Marxism.
If you're not gonna go for it then why even be Communist.
>>869174
What is it with communism and hair?
Seriously
>Marx
>Gramcsci
>Trotsky.
>Mao (but Mao's is like male pattern baldness so whatevs).
>Pol fucking Pot holy shit
Seems to me only LatAm Commies can into /fa/ hair.
>>869420
Don't forget Korea's Kims.
>>869174
the soviet union would lose ww2
>>869420
Appearance.
You need to people to remember you by something distinctive if you want them to follow you.
>>869431
*You need people
>>869207
>where
Militarily, in China and Spain.
He would probably have supported a more ambitious strategy for the communists parties of western Europe. Stalin didn't care and just demanded that they purge non-stalinists from their ranks and oppose socialists. He didn't want revolutions out of his control that might pull his country into an international conflict. Trotsky would have accepted compromises (like popular fronts or antifascist fronts) more easily for the sake of increasing influence, and would have pushed as possible for the parties to take power or take a position from which they could take power.
And yes, that would piss off the west. WWII might be all against the soviets in this case.
Ok, we always talk about Trotsky.
But what if Zinoviev had come out on top ?
>>869481
He would've ruled together with his fuck buddy Kamenev.
Maybe Bukharin would join them for a threesome.
>>869207
>And wouldn't that piss of the major powers quite a bit?
There were only two major powers after the WW2, USA and the USRR dude
>>869251
Communism is just priest/intellectual absolute rule, illiterate peasants can't unto governing.
>>869603
wew lad
>>869499
Am I correct in thinking, although Lenin legalised homosexuality, it was not done deliberately? Moreso like the old laws of Russia had been repealed and the law against homosexuality didn't change because of oversight?
I really don't agree with the "Communism was progressive because it allowed gays" argument.
>>869643
Pretty much. They repealed more or less all of the old Tsarist laws, and that happened to include the ban on homosexuality.
Still, Communism as an ideology doesn't have any problem with gays, even if certai Communists (such as Stalin) did.
>>869651
>Stalin
>communist
>>869174
Basically like in our own time line but more jewish, more internationalist, and a lot more "muh world wide revolution".
>>869682
epic meme
>>869415
>people's decisions don't matter
>two people with radically different opinions won't occupy a position of power differently
How retarded are you?
>b-but muh determinism
Is a meme used to justify failures in life, like you or Marx.
>>869682
True. He was basically a monarch interested in collectivism
>>869691
>more Jewish
Interesting, what do you mean? More emphasis on academia and dialectic, less state control of the press?
>>869715
Probably something about Stalin purging/removing Jews from positions of power.
>>869174
war with every capitalist nation
guy was batshit insane
>>869742
That means he would have detrred Hitler from invading Poland, France and so on. Anyway wars would have happened. But it could have made the scale of the Holocaust much smaller.
gold standard and more violence towards anarchists for literally no reason
>>869302
>Stalin was an illitterate farmer
You don't know what you're talking about.
>>869195
>get BTFO by Poland
>think you can conquer Germany
Loving every laugh
>>871611
Poland was Stalin's fault.
>>871627
Nope, Trotsky was the military leader.
>>871485
Is that supposed to be Mahkno?
>>871651
Yes, he did literally nothing wrong.
>>871656
Yeah, I don't know enough about it but the Free State seems like an actual genuine attempt at Marxist communism. If it could've survived (and more importantly, prospered) if it hadn't been #fukt by the Bolsheviks we'll never know, but it's sad that we never had a chance to find out.
>>869188
What is this statue
>>869174
Anti semetism would have kept on the rise if he survived ww2 in command
>>871664
perseus with the head of medusa in florence
>>871670
Thanks
>>869206
That is categorically wrong. At the last Lenin realised the mistake he'd made in positioning Stalin as head successor of the Soviet state.
>>869174
Trotskists came to power after Stalin's death, Soviets fell.
Now they have power in EU, will see how it works.
>>869198
> Lenin actually preferred Trotsky over Stalin and probably wanted him to take rule after his death
That's bullshit.
Stalin was Lenin's ally since forever, while Trotsky and Lenin hated each other since before the October. It's just they had to join forces in 1917 to get shit done.
Also - Soviets would've been fucked, if Trotsky was in charge. The only option USSR had - was to rapidly industrialize and prepare for the coming WWII. Trotsky's industrialization had primarily agrarian focus, not the complete overhaul of Russia's economy Stalin suggested.
>>869283
> great theological education
Stalin was primarily an autodidact.
>>869355
> Russia has always been rich in resources
Russia was always poor as fuck.
Resources you are talking about are akin to Greenland's resources: hidden deep beneath the snow in some godforsaken places no one goes to. Except Soviets didn't have an option of buying shit internationally.
