How are they not a superpower? You would think with their population and etc. they would be. What went wrong in their history?
What even would make them a superpower in the first place? They're not bloodthirsty like anglos, the only people to make actual superpower nations in the modern age
>>866512
le Brits
India is hamstrung by quite a few things not the least of which is cucking themselves to global capitalism and tieing themselves with a shifty old social structure that makes the economic activity retarded
>>866512
its not 2030 yet m8. also, they need more economic reforms
>>866512
They haven't even figured out toilets.
>>866512
Nehru and the congress and their ridiculous socialist and leftist policy t hay increased food production but did not match the economic, cultural and educational reforms to meet the needs of the rising populace. Wasn't until around 1990s did the opposition come into power and force india to liberalize the economy under narasimha rao
>>866512
A large population doesn't necessarily mean they will become a superpower.
How are they not a great power? You would think with their population and etc. they would be. What went wrong in their history?
>>866512
Colonialism.
>>866512
Superpower by 2030
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xl0b2LGf9jM
white """""""people"""""" btfo
>>866512
Because their backwaters, and their government's light handed policies go ignored by the ignorant masses.
>>866989
That video is extremely embarrassing.
>>866512
Toilet witches are preventing them from attaining a superpower status. Goddamn toilet witches.
>>866512
They don't have intellectual capability to do so. As in the intelligence as a class, a cadre of engineers, lawyers and planners
>>866512
Answer is Pajeet^too many.
>>866512
Large populations are a curse, not a blessing. All those mouths to feed and families to house.
We need more /pol/tards spamming the poop meme.
They're not so intelligent. Their smartest and most capable come to the West. So your buddy Harddick at university is a really bright guy, but he's not your average Indian. Harddick is the cream of the crop.
>>866512
A large part, if not the majority, live in 19th century conditions. Most people are really fucking poor.
>>867672
To elaborate; Indian GDP per capita is on the same level as a few west African countries.
>>867656
>Harddick
my fucking sides
>>866512
It's a fuckhuge territory with culturally, ethnically, lingustically and politically splintered population of 1.2 billion. How do you manage that? Unlike China, India was never (feel free to correct me though) united under a single government and ideology. There's nothing keeping it together. The infrastructure is also dated as hell (the british rail network was built for shipping materials, not for civilian transit) because it'd be obscenely expensive to update and standardise it. And hundreds of millions of people are poor and the smart educated individuals emigrate.
India does have significant cultural presence in the surrounding countries with its entertaiment industry, though.
>>867861
>Unlike China, India was never (feel free to correct me though)
I will, because tbqh, China has only been centralized to the extent it is now, for a very short period of time historically speaking.
It was very balkanized throughout most of it's history.
I think the reason India has a big problem becoming a major player, is because of brain-drain, and other factors influenced by it, such as lack of foreign investment in the country.
Coincidentally, I watched a documentary called the Empire of Dust the other day, and it really boggles my mind that the Chinese are more interested in investing in a country like the Congo instead of India, which is at least politically stable, which many places in Africa isn't.
>>867894
>I will, because tbqh, China has only been centralized to the extent it is now, for a very short period of time historically speaking.
Except India had it worst because India resembled Europe: a bit of the continent featuring multiple states each with their own culture but shares the same overall culture of the region.
Meanwhile the unified Chinese state existed ever since the King of Qin clobbered the Huaxia States together into an empire. Sure, China is at it's most centralized now, but to claim that there wasn't a centralized state before is just plain wrong. For one thing there did exist a centralized bureaucracy, which tried its best to do its job. For another, when China balkanizes into warring dynasties, nobody "declares independence" but is out to piece China back together again under the rule of an Emperor.
The fact that the name of the state is synonymous to the geographic name of the place is quite telling as well. Prior the Empire, the lands were simply known as "Lands or States of the Huaxia," occupied by the "Hua" peoples who themselves were like India: divided into several states with their own cultures but shares a common overall culture. But then under the Empire, the concept of Zhongguo emerged and the notion that all these "Hua" peoples ought to live in one state under someone bearing the Mandate of Haven emerged.
>>867929
>but to claim that there wasn't a centralized state before is just plain wrong.
I didn't. I said it was way more balkanized than it is now. Please learn to read.
>>867945
>throughout most of its history
Not him, but this is what you claimed, which is plain false.
>>866512
India has a culture that is not conducive to economic growth, they also lack the political will to force a cultural change like the Chinese did in the 2nd half of the 20th century.
>>867894
Subsaharan Africa isn't as 'used up' as India. India has experienced thousands of years of intense use of resources by advanced local and foreign societies, and present day India is overcrowded so it's harder to go in there and try to land grab. Subsaharan Africa is big: the DRC is 2.3 million square km to India's 3.3 million, but has one tenth of India's population density.
I'll get it out of the way so the closet /pol/weenies here don't have to:
BECAUSE NO POO IN LOO XD PAJEET MY SON SCARED OF TOILET WITCH :D
But seriously, as >>866609 said, they're still recovering from colonialism.
Too much poverty in their country. Too much of what actually used to be India partitioned (Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc).
>>867949
Fine.
Are you happy now?
>>866512
They can't get their shit together.
>>867945
Wrong.
If he needs to learn to read, then you need to learn basic history.
>>867986
Shut the fuck up faggot. Chinese ancient history is not "basic history".
>>866512
India is a superpower but you have a point when you say that. Some things to consider.
>1.
Their population is large and very diverse and has a large assortment of different cultures, ethnic groups and languages. The fact that most of them are religiously Hindu does not do much to remedy this when there is a huge amount of variation in Hinduism.
>2.
For a period before the British controlled India and during several periods before that they were not unified as a single nation and thus did not have a long and mostly uninterrupted history of being a unified nation which in cases like Russia and China helped in the development of strong cultural unity and strong central governments able to take action.
>3.
The fact that Russia and China both transitioned from large agricultural peasant economics to industrialized nations in both cases was due to communist governments that forcefully industrialized. It was efficient but also brutal and in both cases millions of people were killed by famine. India did not experience this and so they were not given the early to mid 20th century boost that China and Russia had which helped to make them superpowers. India for decades has struggled to modernize while accommodating the human costs of doing so in a way that Russia and China never did which tends to considerable slow down progress.
>4.
Since independence India has been a democracy (or a democratic republic) which has made it so long-term economic and strategy planning is more likely to be abandoned or changed with each new government voted in, it has also made it harder to enact and follow through with substantial reforms or changes that enough political groups oppose.
>5.
India does not have the oil that Russia has or as far as I am aware the abundance of rare-earth mineral that China has and so they have not been aided by substantial money gained by exporting valuable resources, or at least to the extent of Russia and China.
>>868140
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>6.
They already are the regional superpower of the Indian Ocean region in terms of comparing them to Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Bhutan, Pakistan, Nepal, Myanmar, the Eastern coast of Africa, the Middle East in general and the most western parts of SE Asia. The only country relatively nearby that presents any serious threat to India is China, I don't include Pakistan because aside from nukes which they will probably never use Pakistan can't do shit to India. Aside from China which would never attack without good reason there are no countries in that entire region and nearby which would ever dream about attacking India.
>7.
I personally think that they are currently a global superpower but they are just not seen as such because they are very inwardly focused. India has little to no reason to use military interventions in other parts of the globe and so they have not tried to expand military bases outside of the Indian Ocean. However in situations where there in armed conflict in border nations India has shown it can fight and does not shy away from conflict. One of the major things preventing armed conflict now is that both India and the two nations India has a history of fighting (Pakistan and China) all have nukes. In terms of economic India is projected to experience significant economic growth over the next few decades and out of all the large nations in the world has the fastest or the top 3 fastest rate of annual growth in things such as GDP etc.
>>868153
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Diplomatically they are doing perhaps better then almost any other major country. India is very friendly with the "red" camp like Russia and Iran and has close military links with Russia, India is also relatively friendly with China now and their governments have been moving closer. India is also very close with the US and the west in general because of the fact that India is a democracy that has most of the human rights protections found in the west even if the courts are sometimes inefficient. This makes it so the west is willing to go to great lengths to protect India diplomatically and that the west in constantly trying to ply India with military support etc to keep them remind them that the west can be their allies against China. What you have is a situation where there are really no long-term threats to India in any way and where the two opposing camps of superpowers are both friendly to you and are competing with each other to be better buddies of yours.
Due to this India can essentially focus all of its resources to improving itself and developing because there is no country that presents a likely threat to it or is working to undermine it. While India has been held back by its delayed modernization in the past the fact that over the next few decades it won't have to spend as much resources and efforts on military buildup and regional/global hegemony as US/Russia/China have it will mean that improvements within India will be drastic and to some extent they already have been in the last decade or two. If you take all of that into account it seems clear that India is a global superpower but that they are just an atypical one in that they are inwardly focused.
>>866512
Approximately $300 trillion (in 1990 $s) of wealth was looted between 1730 and 1947 from India by the British.
It takes time to rebuild that kind of wealth.
>>866950
The whole country is run by gangsters genociding each other.
Ethnic fragmentation
Pajeet my son
>>867656
Nice building, but the area looks like shit.
>>867970
>what actually used to be India
There was no sense of India in "India" before the 1920's. And that "India" was a Hindu nationalist ideal.
>>866512
Indian "Democracy"
>>866879
>1990's
>opposition forcing change
Lmao
All the initial changes were Congress.
>>866950
This is barely a country, let alone a nation state.
Essentially a China of short muslims conquering other places, later genociding the inhabitants, and then have the audacity to claim that Chinese Indonesians aren't "Indonesian".
>>867634
So far not one did you faggot.
>>867861
Well the majority of India has been unified for periods in the past. The Han identity in China has no analogy in India, but then again analogies between the two are inherently problematic.
>>868140
>Since independence India has been a democracy (or a democratic republic) which has made it so long-term economic and strategy planning is more likely to be abandoned or changed with each new government voted in
That would be true if single party wouldn't win almost every election with head up their ass for several decades or so.
>>867970
Not one case of that so far
>>868153
>I personally think that they are currently a global superpower but they are just not seen as such because they are very inwardly focused
This needs to go into the loo.
China is more inwardly focused. It also has fought a third the wars since 1945 that India has.
>>868791
Yeah and China and Russia were completely destroyed, twice, over a 50 year period.
Also communism.
So what the heck is going on in India?
>>866512
India seems like a case example of where a whole is not greater than the sum of its parts. The individual princely states were fairly prosperous for their time, focused on internal development and industry, but the national government seems less focused on on making use of what India does have and more focused on collecting and redistributing resources to maintain government seats.
>>866512
When you have an ideology that dictates that you are alive to suffer and eventually evolve spiritually, that values the poverty and despises ambition, it is very difficult to make progress.
>>868996
Inwardly focused except for how it invaded and occupied Tibet, continuously threatens to invade and occupy Taiwan and claims almost the entire South China Sea including most of the areas recognized as belonging to other countries by international laws governing such things that most other nations abide by, also they have threatened to use military force against those purposely "trespassing" through it without permission.
Not very inwardly focused I'd say. Its not like India is threatening to go to war against the US and any of the half a dozen nearby countries over a patch of ocean. India also doesn't deny the sovereignty and independence of a neighboring country and threaten to invade it.
>>868996
>inwardly-focused
Doesn't apply anymore to Modern China.
>>867623
This. The one child policy while a denigration of human rights is more or less the way to go. It's a problem of positive feedback where poverty and constant babbying go hand in hand.
>>867970
Literally HOW triggered are you by banter that actually hasn't happened yet? Jesus Christ what's wrong with you cucks.
>>866512
Too close to the Equator.
>>870110
M-maybe people sometimes don't want to always "joke" around aggressively using the same old tired memes for each country
>>870110
It often kills good threads.
>tfw really want to bone the ugly faced Indian chick in my office who has giant tits on a super slim body and waist
I will accomplish my goal, just you wait anons
>>867971
I mean you don't have to get pissy, he was just pointing out that what you said was incorrect.
>>870154
But literally nobody said that. He was quoting some meme that nobody even tried to evoke. Multiple people gave very reasonable answers before him, but instead he decided to sperg out and get triggered by something that never happened.
>>866512
They were a superpower though, like 3 centuries ago, why do you think Europeans were so thirsty to go there? They are only now recovering from their recent plunders. They have one of the fastest growing economies right now, they might be a superpower again in a few decades, but it will take a lot of work.
>>867894
I think China really does see India as a direct competitor and doesn't want to help them.
>>866512
They will be a superpower within the next 30 years if things keep going as they are.
They can barely be classified as modern humans. Their average IQ is less than 85; all the smart ones have emigrated to the West and are working for the advancement of the West, not India. They haven't invented anything of note or significance in the past 500 years. Their literally bathe in their own feces and drink cow urine. Most of them refuse to use toilets and simply defecate on the streets. Virtually all of the population, save for a minuscule elite, survive on less than $2 a day. They routinely lynch Christians and Muslims and other non-Hindus in the rural parts of their country for eating beef.
To add to all this, they are incredibly insecure about everything: about their history of being repeated subjugated and conquered and humiliated by foreigners (Aryans, Greeks, Hepthalites, Kushans, Muslims, Europeans, etc), about their absolute lack of achievement, about their relative economic and political and military weakness compared to China, about their relative poverty compared to the West, and about how the rest of the world looks down on them and thinks of them as poor and filthy animals, even neighboring SE Asians, Muslims, and other Asians.
>>867970
>/pol/weenies
It's from /int/.
>unironically using weenie
Good fucking god damn you're an immense faggot.
>>866512
>What went wrong in their history?
Overpopulation and lack of any sort of environment to nurture a good tech industry. You cannot be a super power if you cannot manufacture your own chips.
Secondly, the bureaucracy that plauged in weapon develoment and research.There is this "it's alright" attitude in order to make one self satisfied with things happening the way they are and to come up with terms in areas where one lacks.
India was able to have nuke and space tech thanks to competent scientists like Homi Jahangir Bhabha and Vokram Sarabhai,including a strong science and tech pro policies of government under strong leader ship of Nehru and Indira.
Point is India needs to get things together.
Despite it's diversity ,it was able to stood together and never balkanized which is really an achievement for a country that is not even century old.Yet there is challange that comes from the cow belt hindi majority areas who fail to comprehand the fellow countrymen from the North Eastern fringe with their racist attitude.
If India is able to fix these two states - UP and Bihar culturally and economically,India will become super power.
lack of sanitation and proper healthcare services
>>867656
Ankor watt is not in india
>>870154
>Aggressive jokes
leftypol, everybody
>>866617
This, it's the combination of those two things that gives you pooinloo nonsense combined with "Superpower by 2020" ambitions.
India has a space program you dumb bitch mother fucker. We will be a superpower by the year 2030 and we well fuck you up good.
>>866512
>What went wrong in their history?
http://scroll.in/article/802495/why-br-ambedkars-three-warnings-in-his-last-speech-to-the-constituent-assembly-resonate-even-today
