What events from history make you feel legitimately depressed?
For me it's the fall of the Commune
>>866389
For me it's the fall of Western Civilization by Cultural Marxism
Mussolini joining in on World War II
>>866389
what about the commune's fall makes you depressed?
Inevitable heat death of the universe.
>>866401
I don't understand this at all. I mean, I'm not even saying that there's nothing to depressed about in our existence (the extreme difficulty in pinpointing meaning in our universe, the inevitability of death, etc.) but this one is just so distant and abstract that I don't get why people are upset about it.
Newsflash, the heat death of the universal is going to occur billions, if not trillions of years from now. By that time, either humanity will be long, LONG gone, or our progress and understanding of quantum processes will be so advanced that even concepts such as "time" will probably be meaningless to us.
You'd much rather worry about getting pecked to deaths by ducks or something.
>>866395
Explain.
>>866389
The rise of communism and their vernacular offsprings
>>866389
The end of the Cold War.
>>866412
Don't bother, it's a retarded meme spouted by uncritical reactionaries who think all social change must be "orchestrated" by someone.
>>866417
There's that word again.
>>866420
Reactionaries? Well that's what they are. Or if that offends you, try conservatives. Or traditionalists. Or anything else, for that matter. It's semantics.
None. We live in the best possible outcome of history.
>>866389
Really, I thought it was almost funny in its absurdism, people laying down there lives for a cause that was doomed to fail from the start
>>866398
It was real, ethical, working communism. The communards kept to themselves and didn't hurt anybody. But the French government didn't allow it.
Rojava seems to be something quite similar. With the West, the East, and the Islamist hordes descending from all sides, I'm not sure if that will last either.
>>866414
I disagree with communism, but in the long term its existence will be beneficial. Communism offered a viable, if crude, solution to the issue of class struggle. At the very least, it exists as a warning against exploitative capitalists, reminding them of what may happen if they ignore the plight of the working man.
>>866389
Not so much the event itself, but my reaction to it:
As a teenager, I loved the Dynasty Warriors series of games, as well as that strategy game made from the same period (Bandit Kings of Ancient China, I think, but I could be misremembering) and used to think of how cool the period was, what with all the intrigue, and the battles, and the flowery descriptions.
Then one day I was reading through something on the three Kingdoms period and looked at some population statistics, and realized that the conflict killed over 70% of China's population, and according to some estimates offed more people than the entirety of the Mongolian conquests.
And I don't know, my earlier enjoyment and playing around in it just made me a bit sick to my stomach. Not to mention there's something really, really depressing about the notion of two groups of people fighting over mountain passes for so long that you have their children and grandchildren still fighting over the same fucking passes, without a letup in the hostilities at all.
>>866407
Don't forget that it's inconsistent with current Hubble observations.
>>866430
>>866430 here. I just finished Robert Tomb's book "The Paris Commune 1871" and he makes it quite clear that the Paris Commune was far from "working communism." The communards were good people, but Marx and his successors distorted the history of the commune; not on purpose, they by projecting their preconceived notions of history onto it.
http://bookzz.org/book/843230/63e6a8
see the following three pics as well
>>866448
>>866450
>>866398
oops this was me
>dey be gud boi dey din du nuffin
lol, they were glorified thugs
fucking commies i swear
A tie between the destruction of Austria Hungary and the fall of the Soviet Union
GIVE THEM BACK GODAMNIT
>>866476
>the fall of the Soviet Union
Literally why
>>866493
The only legitamite counterweight to US hegemony and could have reformed to be a lot better. There was so much potential and the member republics actually wanted to stay together. Well the voters anyway. Also without the USSR the only response to neoliberalism in the world is fucking islamism and that's just pure cancer.
Unidad Popular.
I have cried myself to sleep because of my shitty country's politics and how the democratic socialism didn't have a chance against you, imperialist pigs.
I still have commune every Sunday.
>>866546
>The French Revolution
>muh poor rectionary aristocratic fuck wits :^(
>>866537
>The only legitamite counterweight to US hegemony
Not really. By the time the USSR collapsed it was more or less a paper tiger; it's military was severely outdated. The only thing that really gave it weight was nukes, but you don't have to be a superpower in order to use them as leeway.
>and could have reformed to be a lot better
Ehhh, possibly. By the time it fell apart however the system was so hopelessly corrupt and bloated that it would've taken both incredible force-of-power and a whole lot of luck to make it anywhere near workable. Now, I'm not saying that it should've immediately descended into the pants-on-head retarded ultra-capitalism that the West pushed on it after the Soviets lost power, but it would've been incredibly hard for the system to change through reforms alone.
>>866657
>By the time the USSR collapsed it was more or less a paper tiger
For most of its history it was
And reforms could have taken place during the breznhev years to good effect
>>866389
WW1, WW2, Napoleon, the collapse of the USSR.
Any major war or collapse is kinda disheartening, even if it's for the better
The New Deal.
It drastically changed Americans' relationship with the government, for the worse in my opinion, and the problems it addressed could have been addressed in better ways.
There's no other way to put it: it was America's little dabble into socialism.
>>866677
Well if we're going that far back, sure. Too bad the only time it was realistically possible for the USSR to actually reform was under Gorbachev, and by then it's structural problems had been allowed to fester for so long that it was basically a lost cause.
>>866698
>having such a fragile state of affairs that you cant cope with the slightest deviation
>>866389
Any genuine revolution falling is really sad. Spain and Hungary were also absolutely tragic.
>>866417
Tell me why is progress universally good
>>866844
progress literally means something is getting better you retard
>>866849
>If the cancer does grow, the status of your cancer changes and your doctor might say that the cancer has then progressed.
>>866852
but then progress is being used to describe something specific and not generally you retard
>>866844
"Progress" is subjective and not at all always in the national good. However, retards like anon who genuinely believe in "Cultural Marxism" are also the sort of people to dogmatically oppose programs that unequivocally improve the national good, such as anti-poverty programs and increasing access to education, and as a result can be dismissed as the pleb-tier reactionaries that they are.
>>866857
Cultural Marxism is real, I don't believe it to be a necessarily organized thing but there are people eager to destroy white cultures and societies. Hell Soros even admits to funding the mass immigration of Muslims into europe
Chinese cultural revolution.
I'm far as fuck from China yet still when I read a giant book about China after Mao straight after having read another book on the history of China up to that point, the book was full of misery. Especially the chapters about the Cultural Revolution. I could not sleep for hours one night because I had a scowl on my face after reading.
They rallied teenagers and kids to raid Confucius descendant's graves among other things.
>>866395
Go back to /pol/ fucktard.
m-muh cultural marxism
You're just mad you can't get laid.
Reminder that the Communards burned down the Paris city hall along with all the archives about all the births, marriages, and deaths of every Parisian going back to the Middle Ages, as well as the historic library of the city of Paris. Then they burned down the Palace of Justice, which contained the backup copy of all those archives. They also burned down the Tuileries Palace, the library of the Louvre, the Palais-Royal, the Orsay Palace including the Court of Audit, the Police Prefecture, the Palace of Finance, the Palace of the Legion of Honour, the house of Prosper Mérimée along with many of his books and his entire correspondence, and part of the Lyon Station.
They also meant to burn down the Sainte-Chapelle (which they had already covered in petrol), Notre Dame Cathedral (which was saved when interns from the Hotel-Dieu hospital put out the fire), the library of the Arsenal, and the National Archives.
>>867022
Take off your tinfoil hat idiot. Cultural Marxism is just a buzzword flung about by fringe-right and /pol/tards (same thing) for anything they don't like.
>>866574
>implying monetarism didn't save Chile
To be honest the fall of Napoleon is the greatest tragedy to ever befall mankind.
>>867077
Well, part of the thing with supposed 'cultural marxism' is the degeneration of society and the breakdown of sexual mores. Reeks of sexual frustration to me.
The 1916 Easter Rising
>>866389
>Split of the Western and Eastern Churches by the Turks just after the Council of Florence
>Protestant reformation
>French revolution and subsequent revolutions after that
>Leo XIII's support of the French Republic, effectively splitting Catholic France
>World War I
>Russian Revolution
>Martyrdom of the Russian Imperial Family
>Massacre of the Cristeros after La Cristiada
>Vatican 2
> People Power Revolution
> Modernist Crisis of the Catholic Church
I can list so much more, but it'll take time.
It never ends /his/.
>>867020
So much rage, is it becaude you know this board is full of marxists and you don't wanna have to admit you bunch only fuck things up?
>>866412
Here is what I meant. The most famous one is funded by George Soros: New School of Social Research.
>>867131
Marxist reporting. My international ring of KGB agents is tracing your IP right now. You're going to wish you had never revealed our Gramscian scheme to the public again. We're coming, bucko.
The Big Bang. It would have been better if nothing, especially conscious things, ever existed.
>>866389
>American Revolution
>Napoleon's Defeat
>Central Powers Defeat
>Russian Revolution
>>866857
>reactionary
You shouldn't use words when you don't know what they mean.
>>866437
>implying those working men would not also suffer the consequences
It would happen wherever idiotic people exist, it would be like shooting at your own foot
>>866395
>Cultural Marxism
Only retards /pol/ and /v/ believe in this retarded shit.
>>866537
Good post
>>866882
Source
>>867123
>massacre of the Romanovs
This is definitely sad, but it was a handful of people. Hundreds of thousands died in the revolution.
When the entire world except Portugal and South Africa turned it's back on Rhodesia after they said they were leaving the Commonwealth Realm
>Sorry Ian old chap but you have to give the country back to the natives if you want to leave us
>>866853
Do you not know how this works?
"Universal" means it applies universally to all cases.
A particular case of the word "progressive" being bad proves that you're wrong to insist it's universally good. Simply means that you're using the wrong word.
You people dismiss Bertrand Russell but he walks all over you, tbqh.
>>867144
This is some tinfoil shit
>>866389
The Plague of Justinian.
Strike that, pandemics in general. Shit sucks.
>>867144
It's le conspiracy xD
Just so you're aware, any so-called cultural Marxists who wish to reform American society are doing so because they believe it's morally or ethically the best thing to do. That might seem foreign to you, because you're clearly incapable of comprehending other points of view.
>>867159
>>866389
All those Maya books burned by the Friar Diego de Landa in the Yucatán. Only 3 left out of thosands.
>>867051
Is that true?
Jesus Christ.
>>867778
How is it wrong? It's clear that Cultural Marxism is descended from Postmodernism, which includes Critical Theorists such as Michel Foucault and Antonio Gramsci. Instead of directly burning down archives like >>867815, now the Cultural Marxists just censor them and slowly remove them when the public's attention is diverted.
>>866677
>for most of its history the USSR was a paper tiger
Sure it was. I mean, we can argue about this a lot, but the US Defense Dept. documents released about this period show that they were more or less scared shitless about the USSR's immense numerical superiority in terms of land armaments.
>>867830
Is "Culture Marxism" even a real concept, it sounds exactly like some boogeyman made up by conspiracy theorists.
>>867899
Didn't their late era tanks have a habit of just breaking down though?
>>867903
it is, you are correct
>>867016
The Cultural Revolution is why I fear Chinese Hegemony. They willingly destroyed their culture, how can they be expected to lead or rule if all they are capable of is poor mimicry.
>>867913
Not really. The problems experienced in the Chechen War were due more to supply (the T-80's engine is a fucking gas-guzzler, and the Russian Army was hopelessly incompetent) and lack of training (the last Soviet-era crewmen had just got off their tour).
Of course, both sides in the Cold War greatly overestimated each other, but both seemed of the opinion that, in-term of land combat, the Soviet Union could expect a victory if only conventional weapons were used (the overestimation was usually thinking the USSR would drive NATO out of Northern Europe within a month or something crazy like that).
>>867932
Didn't they almost start a world war once because the West had an unexpected gigantic military training in Europe?
Then before that almost started a nuclear war because a soviet radar mistook a satellite for nuclear ballistic missiles?
Fun times
>>867830
Are you fucking high? Do you have any familiarity with Gramsci or Foucault at all?
>>867946
Don't know about the first one you mention, but the other one gets blown out of context. Firstly, the guy didn't alert because his training told him that it was probably an error, which meant that someone up the chain of command probably would have found the same result. Moreover, it is possible the Mertvaya Ruka system had already been put into place, meaning they would have just turned that on and waited to see what happened. Unless you are talking about the incident under Yeltsin instead of the one under the USSR, in which case, yeah, pretty much.
>yfw there was another socialist revolution in 1993
>Yeltsin put it down with military force
I've got lots of PDF's on the Soviet military, but I don't think 4Chan's format would let me upload them.
>>866438
Behold, a tremendous, cock gobbling faggot.
Point and laugh at him anons, point and laugh.
>>867927
mention confucius and mao, in any chinese household, and they're more likely to recognize the name of confucius.
chinese didn't destroy their own culture. mao might have tried to burn away confucianism, but burn away a field, and grass grows over in no time at all.
china's government is currently trying to suppress the memory of mao from textbooks, for god knows what reason.
>>867980
Maybe Mao is too 'Western'?
>>867966
>I've got lots of PDF's on the Soviet military, but I don't think 4Chan's format would let me upload them.
You can't upload them to IMgur and then link it?
The first event I am talking about is this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Able_Archer_83
>>868008
Uploading it doesn't seem to be working (I am not meaning just a small part of a PDF, the most interesting one I have is a 120 page or so report from the Congressional Budget Office on an assessment of the Cold War, in which they divide the period into 4 periods, an initial period of "overwhelming Soviet superiority" (1948-1962 wherabouts), an intervening period of "rough parity" (1962-1972?), another era of Soviet superiority (1972-about 1985), then another period of rough parity until the collapse of the Soviet military in 1991.
>>868044
Docdroid wouldn't work for ya?
https://www.docdroid.net/
>>867104
>Breakdown of sexual mores would actually benefit the people who want to fuck around, dumbassNo,
It would actually benefit a small minority of "players" with mad game with the rest of the bell curve of men frustrated and blaming themselves (or society) for their failures.
At least it would if that's what sexual liberation actually lead to. But that's not what happened. People didn't start abandoning marriage en masse to go join free love hippie communes, they're got remarried to someone they like better, no longer obligated to stay in abusive or unhappy relationships just for the sake of maintaining a social status quo. Homosexuals just went on a multi-decade long crusade in defense of monogamy desperate to expand the legal definition of monogamy to include them, as well. Youth crime and sexual proclivity are at historic lows,
Back in the early 20th century moral decay theories were popular because between the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and the liberal world struggling in the grips of depression, it seemed inevitable that society would inevitably tumble into Caesarism. Flash forward 100 years later and none of those 20th century tyrannies are still around while liberal democracies now dominate the planet.
The reason everyone except /pol/tards disregards moral decay historical models is because of how horrendously, laughably bad they are at making predictions, and how taking a tally of all their failed predictions is the simple easiest way to realize how much bullshit they are.
It's like old people complaining about "kids these days" without realizing that children in our schools today are more overworked and given less free time than children from any other period in history. Turns out that complaining about "kids these days" is just something that miserable old fucks say to themselves in order to make themselves feel better about their own lack of success in life.
>>868079
>https://www.docdroid.net/
I misremembered the document a bit (it has been about two years since I read it), it isn't anywhere near as recent as I thought it was (it was made during the Cold War, not after). I may have sort of mixed it together with another document I have, but don't remember the name of (which would explain why it is 40 pages shorter than I remember).
https://www.docdroid.net/lyPnBOM/natovwarsaw-pact.pdf.html
>>867016
>>867927
>>867980
None of you have any idea what you're talking about. You don't know the contexts of Chinese society and "culture" that led to the revolution, you don't know what actually happened during the CR nor the revolutionary period, you don't know why these things happened, and you don't know their actual consequences. Even if the Chinese did try to "destroy their own culture" (not true) that is their right to do so, and maybe you should consider taking your head out of your ass for 4 seconds and think about why a people might want to change their culture and how this could possibly be "wrong". Fetishists please fucking leave.
>mention confucius and mao, in any chinese household, and they're more likely to recognize the name of confucius.
Absolutely amazing.
>>868121
>None of you have any idea what you're talking about. You don't know the contexts of Chinese society and "culture" that led to the revolution, you don't know what actually happened during the CR nor the revolutionary period, you don't know why these things happened, and you don't know their actual consequences.
Neither do you fedora.
>>868097
Oh, shouldn't be a problem, will still give an excellent insight in what that affected the decision making of the US high command.
>>868097
And thank you a lot for this.
>>868125
>fedora
Tell yourself what you need to, pseud.
>>867144
>post-modern (anti-reality; anti-reason)
wew
>>868127
>>868132
No problem. Happy reading, comrades!
>>868121
>Mobo Gao
I'm not those who you quoted, but Gao (or others, I forgot) mentioned the official book from CPC which is said to be fairly comprehensive, despite it's being suspected of heavy editing by the Party. What book is that? Can't find it on Google. Maybe it only exists in Mandarin?
>>868095
/pol/ was right about the rapefugee though
give credit where it's due
>>868173
Not sure which specific book you're referring to but Gao is critical of the official CPC-line, which simply stated is that the GPCR was a total failure and misstep. Gao is among others (eg: Dongping Han, William Hinton) that offer a more nuanced assessment of the period and a fuller understanding of non-official Chinese attitude of the period then and now.
>>867975
>Being so much of a sheep that you think war is good and rely on it's ideology to prop up your masculinity
Lol have fun dying so that nobles can have a few more miles of land
>>866389
Die you fucking commie.
>a jew, who have worked zero days in his life, explained how you should live
>>868312
>>868222
Chinese culture is being ravaged in Taiwan as we speak thanks to the independentists.
They're out to show how unchinese Taiwan is by being thankful to Japanese colonialism, upholding Aboriginal culture, and encouraging Filipino migration to offset Mainland Chinese migration.
Ironic, the KMT managed to save Chinese culture...only to lose it to Taiwanese kids.
>>868325
The communist ideology will never succeed.
It's in the human nature to want to be above the other.
Even if you make everyone equal, there will be still people who are powerful.
also
>facebook filename
Hannibal being recalled to Africa
Assassination of Franz Ferdinand
Assassination of Kennedy
Assassination of MLK
A few others that I don't like but don't exactly feel depressed over
>>868350
>human nature assumptions
gtfo
>>868358
You cant escape from your nature, comie teen.
The the fall of paganism, the rape of christianity and the banishment of the Berserkers.
Although at least we have what they saved from the past.
>>868350
I personally think it could work, given enough planning, effort, and lack of mustachioed tyrants.
I just disagree with the, for lack of a better term, morality and reasons for it.
>>866849
It doesn't in the political word of progressive. It has an amoral meaning.
>>866389
East-West Schism
WW1
The decline of the British Empire
All of it.
>>868368
>implying i'm commie
>implying i'm a teen
>implying i'm not just responding to show how retarded your unimaginitive and rehashed arguments are
>using human nature arguments to explain anything
You do not belong here
>>868201
Well, the CPC historiograph certainly is accompanied by releasing accounts. However,I can't get this book:
K.H. Fan. 1968. The Chinese Cultural Revolution: Selected Documents.
Seems like there were lots of documents released.
>>868273
>Look at my strawman.
It's not about thinking war is good. It's pathetic that someone could feel so ashamed over playing a few videogames as a teenager that he feels literally sick about it.
>>866574
>All these fucking Reds
>>869665
What? As long as they're not excessively shitposting, they're alright by me if they can have a real conversation
The burning of the Library of Alexandria
>>869779
I could wipe out a million forums on the topics of trains or some autistic irrelevant and mundane stuff most of whose posts are gone because of constant vandalizing by troll mods and it would be analogous to the destruction of the Library of Alexandria
>>869814
This isn't /pol/
/his/ is neutral ground for discussion
If you wanna tell people with dissenting political opinions to go away, then do it on your board. Then you can also get back to your SJW hate thread and insult them for doing the same shit you do
>>867016
China always was shit anyway
>>866417
Whether it is orchestrated or just memes, whether you should be called SJWs, cultural marxists or "progressives". It is something and it is very wrong.
Even in the past when there was conspicuous racism, sexism and homophobia, it never got this bad. At worst it was some black panthers who believed some crazy myths like Yakub creating the white race, but otherwise working to improve their communities.
Now a significant proportion of the population is actively working to implement institutional discrimination against cis white males (they've already succeeded in many areas) and falsely accusing anyone who doesn't fall in line of their ideology of racism etcetera.
>>869797
What did he mean by this
>>869842
I never said he can't talk here. I just said that he has his own board if he wants an echo chamber of political discussion with no other world views other than from strawmans
He can make a thousand threads on how Reddit is full of commie cuckolds, and still post here as long as he isn't a cancer to the board
>>869856
He can make a thousand threads on how Reddit is full of commie cuckolds on /pol/*
>>867131
> you know this board is full of marxists
Better than those brain-dead /pol/lacks
>>869883
Didn't know boards owned copyright for memes
Where can I register the Finno Korean Hyper War on behalf of /his/?
>>869883
Since when is moonman /pol/ exclusive?
Because it aint.
>>869916
Didn't lefty poal invite the hoaxa meme?
>>869925
Possibly not, but it started out as a guy singing about killing niggers, so I don't think it wasn't created by a leftie.
By pure interest, have there ever been any anarchist revolutioanory Communist group that accepted racist principles?
>>869937
Anything is possible in this age
>>869937
Che hated niggers.
>>867020
get out, you garbage.
>>866430
>It was real, ethical, working communism.
are you high on drugs or just braindead?
>>869990
>are you high on drugs or just braindead?
>communists
Connect the dots.
>>869937
Hoxha as a meme has circulated among leftists both online and off ever since everyone found out about his silly bunkers, truly an example of organic meme formation.
>>866430
Nice meme.
The "commune" was just the dictatorship of the National Guard. It was a good thing they crushed it, otherwise it would become a totalitarian shithole like every communist government that survived infancy.
The defeat of the White movement in the Russian Civil War.
We have a taste of what could have been in Finland, where the Whites won and built the best country in the world. Imagine what they could have done if they won all of Russia.
>>866417
how can one person be so fucking mad over a joke post? please fucking kill yourself
Jesus christ
Americas independence, we could have just traded with the natives or won the west from the French after successful wars and then ushered in a utopia thanks to unused natural resources
But it did bankrupt the French which leads to modern liberties so it's 50-50
Britain not accepting asylum from Nicholas 2nd as if he had been courted he could have returned able to understand civil rights and not have a communist dictatorship in Russia and a man from Vermont in 2016
it's oversaid and probably been said dozens of times itt already but the Fall of Constantinople.
Constantine broke down in tears when the Venetian fleet that was to be their last hope of defending the city failed to appear.
Everything about it is just so fucking poetic and tragic. They knew they were going to die and that Rome would fall. They were trapped for weeks inside a doomed city with no hope of ultimate victory. Apparent prophecies that fortold the falling of the city were fufilled and everything.
On the night before the last day of the siege Constantine came out into the city square and made a speech to those who still remained and afterwards thanked each of those in attendance personally for their loyalty and asked forgiveness for any wrong doing he had caused them.
Then the Latins and the Greeks, usually bitter rivals went to Church and prayed together, united in this hopeless hour.
You know the rest. Fucking Turks man.
World War 1. Just the entire thing
>>870098
The turks were just doin what made sense to them at the time bruv.
It's tragedy, but it's times like that that bring out the best and worst out of people.
>>870136
>>870098
>Boohoo muh rumpstate got put out of it's misery
Fuck off. If anything is "tragic" about Byzantium, it's Porphyrogenitos destroying the entire fucking library because "IT'S TOO BIG AND BORING".
We know next to NOTHING about the Huns because that blithering chimp had the entire library literally cut and pasted into some fifty books.
>>870143
>I'm upset by other people's opinions of history so here's mine instead.
>>870143
lol you mad?
>>870152
He's right, you know
>>870037
This.
It's really sad to see such a great movement influenced by culture and intelligence die to the hands of marxism.
>>870143
>t. Abu-ibn-Kebab
I never mentioned any of the many retarded Emperors like Porphyrogeitos who drove the fall forward.
I was talking about the siege itself as an isolated event. Constantine was a good man by all accounts and the best ruler Byzantium had in a long time. He just had no means whatsoever to stop the conquest of the city.
The fall of the Empire itself is sad enough because of what it represented, regardless of how poor any of the Emperor's were leading up to the fall. But the event itself is like it was fucking written and directed to be a classic tale of tragedy.
WW1 and the subsequent (ongoing) decline of Europe.
>>870173
>Europe's borders will never look like this again.
If the leaders from back then could see Europe now and change their actions I wonder what they would do?
I don't even think much would change, they had conquered the globe already. There was nobody left to fight but each other in one massive war.
WW1 is the series finale to "Europe: Masters of the World."
The establishment of Catholicism.
Catholicism bastardized Christianity, which was basically a missionary, heavily reformed version of Judaism, turning it into something much more sinister.
>>868312
Based yekke
>>870185
>If the leaders from back then could see Europe now and change their actions I wonder what they would do?
Bomb Germany before it has the chance to destroy Europe.
>>867899
US was afraid that the Warsaw pact would zerg rush Western Europe before the US could properly react.
>>869665
>he is unironically a cuck for the ruling class
lol
>>870226
But I'm not a communist.
>>870161
What is scary is reading about Marxists in pre-1917 Russia and realizing how similar they were to SJWs nowadays.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vekhi
>For Semen Frank, as for Gershenzon and Struve, the intelligentsia's failure of leadership in the 1905 revolution warranted a reappraisal of their fundamental assumptions. His essay emphasized the nihilistic sources of the intelligentsia's utilitarianism: material progress, national education, always viewed as a means to another end. Moreover, he saw Russian Marxists as obsessed by a populist drive to perfect society through redistribution and faulted them for their penchant for dividing all humanity into friends and enemies. Gershenzon asserted, in the book's most controversial sentence, that "so far from dreaming of union with the people we ought to fear the people and bless this government which, with its prisons and bayonets, still protects us from the people's fury."
>>867051
What part If 'we can bring to birth a new world from the ashes of the old' don't you understand?
>>867051
Just like the Jacobins did with the libraries of French abbeys, including Cluny, which was the largest of it's kind in Europe.
It's ok when leftists do it.
>>870265
what part of "thats fucking stupid" don't you understand?
>>870265
Do it have to be ash? It can't be powdered rock?
>>870265
The problem isn't that you /can't/ smash the state, the problem is that when you do, you create a power vacuum that will be filled by the most ruthless person in a position to go for it. Revolutions generally succeed for the "smash the state" part, and fall apart when they hit the (arguably much more important) "implement our policies as the new state" stage.
>>869937
De facto state racism is the norm in communist states, because the proletariat is rarely cosmopolitan
What dogmatic Islam did to late 70's Iran.
>>869972
Before he was radicalized
>>870308
>late 70's Iran
Why not late 700's Iran? Islam had already done most it's damage by the 1970's.
>>866401
>not cold death of the universe
Hurr durr
>>866574
Looks like someone needs to go out for a nice, relaxing helicopter ride with Mi General :^)
>>866389
>Treaty of Versailles
>Adoption of widespread materialism in the 20th century
>Allowance of the Percentages Agreement to persist
Pretty much it.
4chan
pretty much all of human history has been endless suffering, violence, and failure. so its hard to pick tbqh
French Revolution.
I'm French.
>>870465
>I'm French.
I'm so very, very sorry.
>>870465
Deposing the Bourbons was a good thing
>>866389
>Sophie! Sophie! Don't die! Stay alive for our children...
>It is nothing...
I literally cannot think of a more tragic event that had a more tragic outcome. If any pre-1914 author had written of a cataclysmic war that started with a dying man spending his final words begging his wife not to die with him, for the sake of their children, it would have been dismissed as cheap melodrama
Now it's just history.
>>870480
Breaking your fucking leg will be a good thing, you autistic little bitch.
>>870486
>says the one insulting me over 4chan
Tell me how it was bad
>1066
>>869838
>>870490
>English pigs complaining about foreigners conquering "their" island
>>870515
>>869838
>walls of text clearly from /pol/
yep definitely reading that
>>870490
Saxon best dragon
Wales a shit
>>870531
I have no idea why people take screenshots of posts, it's so retarded. They mean nothing out of context.
>>869838
>Even in the past when there was conspicuous racism, sexism and homophobia, it never got this bad.
>it's never been as bad for any group as it is for cis white males right now
>this is what /pol/tards actually believe
>>869838
>mob justice, punishing dissent, and repression of others is just fine and dandy so long as the "right" people are doing it to the "wrong" people
Well...yeah. Turns out actions are different depending on who carries them out and who they are directed towards. Turns out context exists. Wow. Shocking, I know.
>>870480
What is the point of deposing the Bourbons if the government you install in their place is just what the Bourbons were trying to do but worse?
It was ok if they were deposed in the Fronde, but what the Revolution actually did was deepen the centralizing reforms began by the French monarchy, but without the monarch to get the bad rep.
>>870529
>yfw
>>870659
Do you think the rule of law is a good idea?
>>870664
Depends on whose law it is.
Late 19th century and post-WW1 get to me because of the whole idea that war was supposed to be cathartic and just good sport in a sense to a lot of people, like it was blood-letting. And then during the war there's the realization that the grand illusion of war being noble and heroic is gone and you're left with the deviation and past glory of these grand old empires. The art and literature reflect the general disenchantment and I think it's incredibly fascinating but tragic at the same time.
The deaths of the Romanov children. You can argue about how bad Tsar Nicky was, and I won't argue with you. And he did some pretty awful things, so deposing him, perhaps killing him, wasn't wrong. His children were innocent of any wrongdoing, though. And the fact that I see Soviet apologists try to defend it only proves how morally backwards they are.
>>866438
I have felt similar emotions, anon. Shitposters will shitpost.
>>870475
Where are you from ? I want to laugh.
The fall of Anarchist Spain is far more depressing tybqh desu senpaitachi
>>870753
I think it was very sad and I certainly wouldn't have had the fortitude to do it myself, but I also think it was necessary from a pragmatic POV.
The destruction of the parthenon in 1687
>>870350
heat is different from hot
Trail of tears.
>>866389
Sack of Baghdad.
>>866395
such jokes
>>869838
>(they've already succeeded in many areas)
muh white opreshun
The civil war.
Even the "victories" are crushing defeats for America as a whole.
Gustavus getting his wig split at Lützen
>>870673
Not on how just a law is?
>>866389
>tfw you will never live in a city with European architecture dating back to the 1600s
>instead have to live in a shitty American-style urban sprawl metropolis with decaying buildings from the '60s
The Liberation of Manila. I'm not even that butthurt about how many decades this set my country back economically and socially, but more about the fact that I don't live in a historical city because MacArthur wanted to furiously masturbate his ego to "muh freedom and promise to return".
>>871755
>importing niggers.
From where? The British Empire banned the slave trade. Where could they come from?
>>866389
The end of the laissez-faire era. Second only by the resurgence of socialist thought in recent times.
>People saying Cultural Revolution.
Don't support the sheer brutal violence of it, but FUCK Confucianism. Western crocodile tears for Confucianism during the Cultural Revolution pisses me off. Confucianism stands against everything post-enlightenment society holds dear. Extreme-misogyny, the idea that peoples born-caste is their divine destiny, divine feudalism. Fuck that shit.
The cultural revolution got out of hand, but seriously, crying over the cultural revolution is the same as crying over the French Revolution.
>>871973
That Webm is pretty cute, what's it from?
>>871973
>Hating on Confucius because "muh soggy knees" and social hierarchy
Get the fuck out here you communist cuck.
>>868121
The Chinese cultural revolution was just another disaster of Mao's stupdid 'revolutions', I know they didn't do it to 'erase their culture', that's retarded to presume anyone'd think that, but it was the fact that they absolutely brainwashed kids and teenagers and gave them the absolute authority, above police even to do as they wanted because they had a slight misconsception that somebody or some thing stood against Mao or was a 'revitionist'. A lot of good men who could have changed things for the better were hunted down and killed in humiliating ways for some stupid paranoia coming from Mao. Ancient temples and a whole range of unique art and history, burned on large piles to never be seen again. Historians coming back after having been to China before Mao siad there were happy people smiling everywhere, and after the cultural revolution, the happy markets are replaced by gray empty streets and most people seem worried.
>>871973
People simply don't know what Confucianism is. It's full of cheap sentimental morality that guarantees the 'harmony' relationship from a Child to a Father up to the Emperor, when in reality it's just 'doing nothing'.
For anyone wondering, read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discourses_on_Salt_and_Iron
It's the debate between Confucian reformists and Legalist modernists, regarding the 'nationalization' of salt and iron workshops.
>>871977
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHTPcs3lQPU
21 minutes in.
>>866389
The October Revolution.
>>871844
>"In the month-long battle, the Americans and Japanese inflicted worse destruction on Manila than the German Luftwaffe had exacted upon London, which resulted in the destruction of the city and in a death toll comparable to that of the Tokyo firebombing or the atomic bombing of Hiroshima."
AMERICA FUCK YEAH
The hilariously fucked up thing about the Cultural Revolution is that it actually was used too DISCREDIT ideals of egalitarianism and enlightenment after Mao died. During the Cultural Revolution gender roles evaporated overnight, but in the 1980s, Neo-Confucianism became all the rage in China and smashed womens rights and female organization. Where women once "held up the sky" during Mao's era, they are now imprisoned if they complain about sexism.
>>872022
For me it's the failure of the October Revolution
>>871986
>MUH TRADISHUN
Consider suicide.
>>871973
>Extreme-misogyny, the idea that peoples born-caste is their divine destiny, divine feudalism.
Confucianism is paternalistic, but to characterise the ideology as misogynistic, ie. that it hates women, is a complete misunderstanding of it which comes from confusing Chinese culture generally with Confucian ideology as if the two are the same thing. The same thing applies for the other two things you brought up, Confucius justifies revolution and justifies meritocracy. The idea that a person should do what they are capable of and that it is in a ruler's interest to have the most capable people in positions of authority is a Confucian idea. The ruler is not divine in Confucianism, he is a man and rulers have obligations to the people which they must seek to fulfil. It is heavily implied throughout his discussions that the consequences of failing to fulfil these obligations would be revolution or general discontent. I suggest that you read what Confucius himself had to say rather than simply interpreting it through he lens of Chinese culture or through the lens of Maoist propaganda.
>>872053
>Women should be imprisoned if they complain about a society that only cares about ancient father-son fetishism gobblygook.
>Women should be penalized from good jobs if they are not married by their mid-late 20s.
>>872065
OH it's you.
>>872049
Oh it was very successful. What was produced was what Lenin aimed to create.
>>872065
But boypocci doesn't feel as nice on my ding dong schlong
>>872065
>Male homosexual society is the way of the future.
Literal faggotry.
>>872076
>boypocci
I wish this meme would die.
>>872082
It is a man's arsehole. What it is does not change because you try to use a different word.
>>872085
It's an organ of excrement. Not of sexual pleasure.
>>872085
We could call it whatever we like, it would not prevent me from sodomizing it
>>866423
>the day has come when even wanting actual equality and freedoms will label you a reactionary
Fabulous
>>872088
>>872096
This is incorrect and also disgusting
>>872104
U no u want it bby
>>871973
Cheap sentimentalist detected.
>crying over the cultural revolution is the same as crying over the French Revolution
Can you sign my copy of the most popular Verso publication of the month when we run into each other at the next Soros-sponsored anti-Drumpf rally?
>>872090
There's literally a G-spot inside it
>>872088
>>872096
Disgusting.
The dissolution of Yugoslavia
>>872143
Arousing.
>>870490
THIS
NORMAN SONS OF BITCHES
>>866430
Yeah all the terrorist acts were great!
>>868121
wu mao pls go
>>872111
>>872120
Is this literally the only response queers can give? I literally only get this kind of response from you people when I suggest that gay sex is disgusting.
>>872816
So you're such a slave to your appetite that you can't even restrain yourself from fucking other men, who on average are just as awful as women, even if they're better at being successful? At least women serve a biological function.
>>872868
No, I'm a cisgendered heterosexual male. I think you're giving men too much credit. You're blinded by your sexuality. All men are equal, as are all women. This isn't a normative claim, it's a descriptive claim.
>>872905
>>872908
I don't have to take this from a couple of faggots
>>868095
haha roasties getting mad
>The reason everyone except /pol/tards disregards moral decay historical models is because of how horrendously, laughably bad they are at making predictions, and how taking a tally of all their failed predictions is the simple easiest way to realize how much bullshit they are.
This literally doens't mean anything. No one is good at making predictions, not even weather forecasting. Just because some retarded right-wingers of the past made bad predictions (just like the retarded left-wingers) doens't mean /pol/ is wrong when they say cultural marxism is collpasing the western values.
>>872917
>I put my dick in men's butts
The fall of the Baltic States to the USSR
The fall of the Ottoman Empire.
>>872573
>waaah revolutions aren't tea parties
>>872775
What do you want them to say?
"Oh, sorry"?
>>874852
I'm very glad that happened
>>870313
And after.
