What is the black stone comprised of, what does it signify, and what is inside the kaaba
>>838962
>What is the black stone comprised of
there has never been any studies of it because it would require intentionally chipping off pieces of it and that would be considered sacrilege
>what does it signify
There's no single tradition on what it is supposed to be. The most common tradition though is that it dates back to the time of Adam, who included it in his first temple to God, which is believed to have been at the spot the Kaaba now stands. Other traditions say it used to be white but became darkened by the sins of man and other traditions say it fell from heaven. Others say Adam just found it and dedicated it to God.
>and what is inside the kaaba
You can literally go on youtube and see. It's not really a big secret.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Stone
>In 1674, according to Johann Ludwig Burckhardt, someone smeared the Black Stone with excrement so that "every one who kissed it retired with a sullied beard". The Shi'ite Persians were suspected of being responsible and were the target of curses from other Muslims for centuries afterwards, though explorer Sir Richard Francis Burton doubted that they were the culprits; he attributed the act to "some Jew or Greek, who risked his life to gratify a furious bigotry.
Literally smeared with shit
isn´t it a meteorite?
>>838962
Sins of mankind.
It doesn't matter what it's made of
A picture of Mary and Baby Jesus
>>839117
>So I told Simon Souflaki to shit on the black stone and he actually did it
>The absolute madman
>>839161
I heard a meteorite hit and everyone for miles around freaked out and began claiming ownership of this "god rock" and Abraham organized the leaders of each tribe to carry it together on a a rug to a holy place
This is a repetition of a conversation at a house party with a stranger, never took the time to research it further.
>>839117
Designated shi'ite and shit
>>838962
>spiritually significant to pagans in the area before Mohammed ever even significant
>appropriated by Mohammed and early Mohammedans for their new religion
>radical Muslims, who hate and destroy all sorts of things on the grounds that they're sacriligeous/haram/unislamic/not perfectly orthodox, seem not to notice or care that they're edifying an ancient, sacred pagan relic
I don't get this.
>>840453
>ever even significant
Meant 'existed'
>>838962
It's a mixture of volcanic rock, not even meteoric rock.
>>840453
Most Muslims don't KNOW it was a Pagan artifact or that it's idolatry to give so much devotion to it. The Saudi's pump billions of dollars into making sure the ONLY voice telling Muslims how to think is the one that tells them to do what will make the House of Saud more money.
>>840489
That would explain why the Saudi's and friends are taking their time to also bomb the ancient Sabaean ruins in Yemen together with the rebels.
To basically say that arabs had no civilization before the religion of peace and tolerance by destroying the evidence.
>>839117
>someone smeared the Black Stone with excrement
>The Shi'ite Persians were suspected of being responsible
Well I guess you can't spell Shi'ite without spelling shit.
>>840453
Muhammad made up a sizable backstory for the black stone that justified its place in the Ka'aba, which was given a colourful backstory itself.
All of these things were done to place Mecca and the Ka'aba at the centre of the Abrahamic world when it was really nothing more than a pagan backwater.
>>840489
Do Shiites also make the pilgrimage to Mecca?
The Muslim Cube has been destroyed and rebuilt a few times before.
The inside looks like a bathroom with out the fixtures. Just some pots and other knick knacks hanging around.
>extremely, viscerally opposed to idolatry
>literally required to travel from wherever you live in the world to worship the world's largest idol
C'mon, Muslims.
>>838962
Related.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Tahir_al-Jannabi
How can one man be so based?
>Once inside the city walls the Qarmatian army set about massacring the pilgrims, taunting them with verses of the Koran as they did so.
>In 930, Abū Tāhir led the Qarmatians’ most notorious attack when he pillaged Mecca and desecrated Islam’s most sacred sites. Unable to gain entry to the city initially, he called upon the right of all Muslims to enter the city and gave his oath that he came in peace. Once inside the city walls the Qarmatian army set about massacring the pilgrims, taunting them with verses of the Koran as they did so.[3] The bodies of the pilgrims were left to rot in the streets or thrown down the Well of Zamzam. The Kaaba was looted, with Abū Tāhir taking personal possession of the Black Stone and bringing it back to Al-Hasa.
>The attack on Mecca symbolized the Qarmatians’ break with the Islamic world; it was believed to have been aimed to prompt the appearance of the Mahdi who would bring about the final cycle of the world and end the era of Islam.[13]
>On the first day of the Hajj they led a charge on pilgrims, riding their horses into Masjid al-Haram and killing pilgrims praying around the Kaaba. Their victims allegedly numbered around some thirty thousand. After despoiling the Well of Zamzam, plundering houses and seizing slaves, Abū Tāhir and his army removed the Black Stone and took it away.
>>840749
This man should be praised as the unsung kebab remover.
>>840749
Wow, what a douche. Now I understand more why they're paranoid about non-Muslims entering.
Doesnt veneration of this rock predate Islam by while? Do you think ISIS will destroy it for being idolatry?
>>840749
BLACK STONE WIELDER
IS BOOOOORRRRRRNNNNN YEEEAYEEAAAAYEAAAHHH
>>840749
Abū Tāhir is master kebab remover, possibly exceeded only by Genghis Khan.
>>840489
>Most Muslims don't KNOW it was a Pagan artifact
Most Muslims know the pagans venerated the stone, but they believe that the origin of it is not pagan, but rather a relic blessed by God
>or that it's idolatry to give so much devotion to it.
Traditionally, Muslims did not see it as idolatry as Muslims had traditions of seeking blessings through relics just as any other religion did, especially if those relics were associated with Muhammad. Really, this was something Christians and Muslims were in perfect agreement for the most part until fairly recently with the rise of reformist movements who had an ultra-rationalist, almost Calvinist like iconoclasm. These groups are in fact skeptical of the permissibility of things like even kissing the stone to seek blessings in contrast to probably the majority of orthodox and traditional Muslims and in contradiction to many folk Muslim beliefs, who don't see it as anymore idolatry than many Christians see venerating objects like Shroud of Turin as idolatry. But because the act is recommended in many hadith, these reformists just see it as a symbolic act, and don't see the stone itself as having any special power which again probably contradicts historic Muslim belief in the power of the stone and of relics in general. There's almost no place in the Islamic world, for example, where mothers with sick children haven't sought cures through the power of holy relics or special amulets or things of that nature. It's the reformists, however, of the Wahhabi and Salafi tradition as well as the Western rationalist tradition who often run in yelling about how all this is haram.
>>840535
The Arabs associated that location with Abraham before Muhammad was born. Muhammad only validated what the pagan Arabs already believed about the site. It's silly to think Arabs, who traced themselves to Abraham and Ishmael wouldn't have their own "Ishmaelite" traditions just as the Jews had their own Israelite ones.
