Eastern Europe has been poor for more than since communism. It feel behind western Europe as early as the 14th century when in western Europe peasants were freed and allowed to trade and choose their profession while in eastern Europe the upper class was able to subdue the peasants even harder than before.
Then 100 years later western Europe started colonizing the world while eastern Europe stayed backwards as fuck and the inequality has only become wider since then (industrialisation in western Europe vs. ludite upperclass in Austria-Hungary and Russia preventing industrialization for more than 100 years) Communism didn't help but it's just the continuation of an older pattern in world history.
>>834931
Breaking the meme about communism preventing the east from being equal to the west
Like I mean if you take a poor country and it experiences a socialist revolution it's still going to be poor
>>834931
Russia did colonize the world tho.
But I agree with you. Uneducated people too readily bash communism, while in many cases it improved the country in question. Communism can work, if you practice it in consideration and know when to stop. Look at China.
Not a communist but "muh communism = bad" is a meme.
Reminder that Stalin's 5-year plans urbanized Russia faster than any country in recorded history
>>834931
strategic position m8.
>>835163
Japan was faster, South Korea was faster still.
>>835140
muh communism
muh Hong Kong communists
>>835257
Reminder that:
1930 urban population 9%
1940 urban population 40%
Daily reminder that "Eastern Europe" is not a homogenous place and some bumfuck straw village in Russia was in no way equal to an industrialized city in Bohemia.
>>835163
This is a typical materialist post. "Who cares if communism killed millions of innocents, devastated national culture, and forced people into urban ghettoes - it raised the Russian GDP!"
>>835275
>>835365
Try naming a single European country that actually benefitted from communism.
HARD MODE: no USSR
>>835373
>Name a single European country that benefited from communism
>But you're only allowed to pick from the USSR's satellite states
>>835333
>not realizing America's era of industrialization between 1860-1920 was equally brutal and resulted in just as many deaths
Baby tier understanding of history
Every country that ever industrialized had to do so on the blood, sweat and tears of its population.
>>834931
Why are people forgetting THE FUCKING OTTOMAN EMPIRE
REEEEEEEEEE
>>835388
Well since some of you mongs literally think that Eastern Europe is a synonym for "Russia", I thought I'd get that out of the way.
Explain to me how come in 1990:
>Czechoslovakia was much poorer than Austria
>Estonia was much poorer than Finland
>Eastern Germany was much poorer than Western Germany
If said countries were economically more or less equal in the 30s and 40s?
>>835365
Poor, poor Czechs. They were on even footing with the Austrians because they were part of Austria, but then look at what happened when they went on their own.
>>835417
>not understanding the implications of being a satellite state
>>834931
>communism didnt help
>becomes worlds second superpower
>>835140
The shittiest parts of China are due to communism, and is most redeeming areas are due to open market. The only meme here is this retardation that communism is amazing but literally everyone who tried it failed because they did it completely wrong. It's a unique level of head-in-assery
>>835333
Those damned materialists
>>835428
They were equal with Austria for 30 years after they broke away. Then something happened and the gap started to widen dramatically, what could it possibly be?
>>835437
desu Soviet Union was the only one that did communism correctly, mostly under Stalin's rule
>>835140
>Communism can work, if you practice it in consideration and know when to stop. Look at China.
you have to be joking right?
take any class on modern china
>>835333
Hilariously this is what they complain about when it comes to "capitalist" regimes.
>WHO CARES THAT AMERICA BECAME RICH AND INDUSTRIAL, SO MANY POOR WORKING PEOPLE DIED OF HUNGER AND THIRST AND THE ROBBER BARONS WERE SHOOTING PROTESTERS DURING STRIKES !!! FUCK CAPITALISM !!!
>Soviet Union? Who cares about all the dead workers, at least they industrialized :^)
>>835140
Other than the nuclear program, communism did nothing good for China, it actually set them back. In the late 70s they went with authoritarian capitalism and never looked back.
>>835140
Lel high school commie detected
>>835431
Go on and elaborate, I'm all ears.
Not even mentioning that overwhelming majority of communist states were Soviet satellites at one point or another.
>>835464
This is because people fundamentally misinterpret what Communism is about.
Communism is not about creating a worker's utopia, it is not about liberation of the workers. Communism is and always has been about cold, brute, merciless power - and the mobilization of vast groups of people in the pursuit of that goal by any means necessary.
Communism is an ideology that thrives on, in fact even exists for the sole purpose of, domination and imperial expansion. Individuals matter only in so far as they perpetuate the ability of the state to subjugate, assimilate, and dominate others. In this way, Communism is extremely similar to Fascism, but is divorced from all aspects of racial and religious superiority.
Communism was exemplified in Stalin, hence why the USSR saw its greatest achievements during and immediately after his rule.
It isn't about utopia, or workers, or owning the means of production. That's only the cover, the lie told to the masses to motivate them. Communism is, at its core, about raw power and crushing military dominance. Thats what it was best at.
>>835504
All this bullshit hurts my eyes.
>>835510
Even a cursory glimpse at what Communism is in practive vs. what it is on paper shows what I'm saying to be undeniably true.
>>835504
The autist on the left of your picture is actually a typical communist pre-USSR. Think Karl Radek or Leon Trotsky or even Lenin, they were exactly that sort of people. Eternally buttblasted social failures with severe Aspergers and devoting their shitty life to fight for social justice.
All communist revolution does is putting SJW autists detached from reality into a position of power.
As for the social baggege it mentions:
>divorces
legalized by Lenin
>homosexuality
legalized by Lenin
>forced atheism
Lenin
>gender equality
You guessed it, LENIN.
>>835504
perfectly me on left
>>835529
Meanwhile in the ACTUAL Soviet union:
>divorces
heavily regulated
>homosexuality
resulted in gulag
>forced atheism
basically a meme, the church's influence expanded greatly under Stalin's rule
>gender equality
Applied only insofar as both men and women were considered viable factory workers and conscripts
>>835449
gypsies?
>>835546
Stalin wasn't a real communist. Let's go point by point:
>patriotic
>proud of military
>believes in police force
>supports criminalization of homosexuality
>thinks drug addicts should be shot
>thinks feminism is cancer
>anti-islamist
>generally masculine and patriarchal
This isn't communism at all, literally ALL OF THIS could be applied to tzarist Russia as well. Stalin's policies were not communist, it was just him answering the call of the Russian nation wanting their traditional values back after leninists raped Russia with their SJW nonsense.
>>835562
>Gypsies didn't exist until '48
>>835570
>But that wasn't TRUUUE Communism
Cmon man
>>835579
It gets repeated a lot because it's true anon
>>835579
This dumb meme is the only thing you were able to come up with, really?
Nigger literally reinstated the Orders of Suvorov and Alexander Nevsky and revived the Orthodox Church after Lenin and his Jewish buddies almost exterminated it. He abolished korenizatsya and went back to forced russification. He was a Russian nationalist (despite being a Georgian), plain and simple.
How's Chile doing compared to the rest of South America?
>>835598
They did really, really well until '90 when they got rid of Pinochet and center-left politicians came to power.
>>835257
and they managed to do it without countless deaths
It was basically a cattle drive with the communists as cowboys and the peasants as cows
>>835672
South Korea industrialized with the help of massive US aid
Also saying that Japan didn't see much death during the Meji-period industrialization is pretty AYY LMAO
>>835579
I think the fact that No True Scotsman is a logical fallacy is stupid. If you identify with something due to a specific set of beliefs, and someone else tries to share the identity while violating said beliefs, then the No True Scotsman argument is perfectly valid.
I'm not communist, but I agree with the idea that Stalin wasn't either. He was essentially fascist with some communist propaganda/economic policies.
I'm not Christian either, but I hate it when people call out the No True Scotsman fallacy on Christians too. There are billions of Christians on this planet and they are supposed to all be responsible if someone does something bad in the name of Christianity? Lol no.
