What is the greatest empire in human history and why is it the Roman Empire?
>>830507
That would be the British Empire.
>>830518
Shut your mouth
>>830507
>>830507
Greatest Empires objectively in no particular order:
- Persian/Achaemenid Empire
- British Empire
- Mongol Empire
>>830575
t. San Marino
>>830603
>Mongol Empire
>He actually listed the Mongol Empire
Why?
>>830614
In terms of size, and explosive expansionism why not?
>>830605
kek'd
>>830603
Romans were by far the most influential
If greatness is measured by size, British Empire, followed by Mongol empire and then Russia.
>>830635
Sure, but Persians get a rightful inclusion by having the first truly "global" empire and at their height possessing nearly half the world's entire population as well as controlling a greater area then Rome.
>>830650
They were buttfucked by a legit homo
>>830703
Extremely well thought out post, dude. Thanks for adding it to the thread.
Fuck all empires
>>830551
why do maps of the british empire always include the US along with their African/Indian colonies? They never held both at the same time.
>>830730
small kingdoms with culturally defined borders are much comfier desu, I'd be glad to die for a native king of my land who I truly could follow
need something to die for
Objectively speaking, the best were Roman and Ottoman.
>>830518
mongolians were bigger look it up
>>830830
So size indicates greatness? I suppose the Russian Empire was greater than literally every empire that came before it.
>>830794
>ancient small kingdoms had culturally or ethnically defined borders
>>830813
You listed the Romans twice??
>>830840
Mongol Empire was bigger than the Russian.
>>830851
I didn't imply that at all fella
read it again
>>830840
im not saying that, the british empires size made it a lot for them to enforce their taxes i just think he was implying that
>>830507
>Achaemenid
>Roman
>Abbasid Caliphate
These are the 3 greatest
>>830551
>the mongol """""""""""""empire""""""""""""""
Empires in terms of importance:
Roman Empire
British Empire
Spanish Empire
Achaemenid Empire
Rashadun Caliphate
Ottoman Empire
Mongol Empire
Russian Empire
Portuguese Empire
German Empire
>>830856
That is like saying Russia was Roman
>>830914
Russia never ruled through right of conquest or controlled central areas of the empire :^)
>>830912
>Portugal that low
>Ottomans that high
Everything else is fine but you should swap those two around.
>>830912
>no Safavid/Afrashid Empire
>>830912
Napoleon's Empire was left a much bigger legacy than the Portuguese and Russian Empires
And dont get me started on the German one
I won't call you a retard and just assume you forgot to list it
>>830919
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Rome#Successor_to_Byzantium
It is a somewhat justified claim
>>830950
>Anglo nations exclusively using Common law or hybrid systems, never civil law alone
>>830507
Grandeur v. Glory
>>830950
I don't know if I'd put Napoleonic France so far over Portuguese, in terms of importance. Portugal's importance gets understated.
Portugal adapts Arab sailing technology, leading to sailing around the Cape of Good Hope, allowing them to access the Indian Ocean trade network, and eventually taken by the Spanish and used to cross the Atlantic into the New World. That is the tipping point, in my opinion, as to the balance of power shifting from the Middle Eastern powers controlling trade to the European powers becoming trade powers, finally overpowering the middlemen.
>>831323
First International Thalassocracy, first European Colonial empire, first Bacalao based economy
Good answer
>>830919
WE WUZ ROMANS N SHIT
>>830861
But not bigger than British ;)
>>830861
Mongol Empire was smaller than British Empire. Not sure why people are suggesting Mongol empire was bigger. Maybe they don't have google?
>>830507
Cause its the Empire which set the standard for the rest of Empires.
>>832301
According to wikipedia often full of errors,
Mongol Empire was 33,000,000 km2.
British Empire was 33,670,000 km2, so do not quarrel, the girls,
>>832301
Might be because muh continuous land area.
>>830772
>What are anachronistic maps
>>830507
Rome in terms of laying the foundations of the Western World, >>830518 Britain exporting their foundation of a global culture. The USA being a continuation of a trend set before them by the Brits, albeit with differing aspects and greater global impact (muh nukes, muh nato, muh soft power).
Thalassocratic Hegemonic empires are the best ones, desu. So USA > Britain > Rome
>>830507
Funny how the map looks pretty similar to what we have now.
Except modern illyria crumbled after Yugoslavia fell(while still preserving a similar culture), Dacia lost Moldova, Benelux decided to do it's own divided thing with some germanic freakyness, the 2 descendants of those thracian kingdoms united to form Bulgaria, and Asia became a clusterfuck under the cultural hegemony of a couple of empires.
Most Western nations have individually achieved more than the Roman Empire to be honest.
>>830912
>>German """"""""Empire""""""""""
>>832426
Deutsches Kaiserreich then?
>>830912
lel, spot the bong.
>>832458
spotted the assblasted frog
>>832467
What's with this ridiculous obsession bongs have with France, it's been a thousand years holy fuck let it go you pansies.
>>832473
>"I-I'm not F-French"
Sure thing, Pierre.
>>832477
lol are you going to cry now?
>>832480
Tears of joy when you frogs surrender once again
>>832481
You brought too much salt into this thread, ruining its flavour. Begone.
>>832481
Reminder that you will never, ever be French.
>>830518
first post, best post
>>830540
>>830575
your complaints would be more convincing if they weren't delivered in English
You have been chosen to be a governor of a roman province. You have 10 seconds to pick one.
>>830518
More economical of an empire, I wouldn't put it on the same scale as Persia or Egypt
>>832357
Well technically Greece led way for Rome, I mean they did copy the whole Iconic classical architecture and diplomatics
>>830830
tha'ts a meme u dip
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_empires
How the fuck did everyone miss the Italian Empire. That was a success
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_Empire
>>835916
Wow the Canadian Arctic and African grasslands and Australian deserts, must have been really hard for Britain to conquer a million square miles of nothing.
>>836435
Don't forget the amazing feats of military strategy that were the legendary British conquest of spear chucking oogaboogas in bumfuck Africa
Truly the GOAT Empire
>>832764
>your complaints would be more convincing if they weren't delivered in English
Holy mother of kek, those bants
>>836928
>>836928
You say that like it's a negative trait. Every civilization that encountered a more advanced and expansionist empire fell before them. You think every square mile of Siberia was inhabited when the Mongols conquered it?
Because they are pretty much the inventors of machine politics, they pretty much rule the world, their ancient laws still apply to today and we are all voluntary slaves because the Roman empire leaders are diabolic geniuses.
>>836928
Brits did play Pooinloo Lords to the point that they just woke up one day and were British Subjects.
There was no great British Invasion of India like what the Mughals did. Just a bunch of BEIC Company men proping up one lord over another.
FUCK OFF YOU SHITTY SCUMS
BULGARIA ON 3 SEAS
>>830912
Pretty good list desu, why no Alexander or Napoleon though?
I'm so sick of reddit-tier people talking about the mongol empire
>>837863
Nice blog post, where can I subscribe for more?
>>837863
Oh come off it. I'm not Redditor but 4chan in general is hardly known for high level discourse most of the time and /his/ certainly hasn't been thus far.
Your post didn't exactly up the quality btw.
>>836435
>>836928
>Britain only ever defeated primitive spear chucking oogaboogas
See, that's what I've always said, but for some reason the French and Spanish keep on trying to pretend that they're civilised.
>>832764
We speak english thanks to Americans. The people who beat the "greatest empire" in human history
>>838053
>implying India and half of Africa have English as an official language because of America
I don't know what country you're from, but the fact that you speak English because your native entertainment industry can't compete with Hollywood doesn't mean that the same thing is true for the rest of the world.
>>838105
I feel bad for people like him who's culture hasn't conquered the entire world.
It must suck not to be British.
>>832764
>your complaints would be more convincing if they weren't delivered in English
Your point would be more valid if it wasn't written in the Latin alphabet.
>>838140
nice try, but no
>>830603
>British
>Empire
>>838503
why is spain here when they only politically unified under aragon who had italian lands which is a bit easier than killing natives
>>838105
What is the language of international trade?
>>838732
Mandarin
>>838105
Yeah English is super relevant because niggers speak it.
>>838542
Also, how is it the HRE Spanish? Charles V was a Hapsburg.
>>839571
No it isn't
>>838732
There are two. Chinese and English.
America would have collapsed by now if China wasn't around to purchase its debt.
The Portugese Empire
The industrial revolution came from Britain. Therefore the British Empire is most influential.
>>830507
The question is flawed in a vague way. By empire, one must ask themselves, how do I consider the concept of the word?
The word empire to anyone of historic understanding, means roughly, a nation that thrived through a form of imperialism and declined in ways similar to one another. The empire of historic concern is not a happy ending. Nations rarely have such, and in conceptual terms, those that exist long enough are rife with continual tragedy and general scientific decline and return.
You're asking about a bad thing for the empire, and a good thing for historic review.
In that review, I suggest that the empire that gained the most and lost the least wins.
Since the U.S. still exists, it might have a history, but it is not history. therefore, it is excluded. Next, I would say, that the empire that gained the most and lost the least would have been Briton - but only in relevance to its historic position in relative timeline to me, who judges it from my position in relative time line.
This small island, using only progressiveness, culture, banking, and the grit of distant migrant gene pools, managed to conquer or defeat at some time most of the world.
>>840512
Fucking retard, China only owns a small fraction of US debt. Majority of America's debt is owed to itself.
>>840534
This. It's overlooked now because we take industry for granted, but Britain kickstarted the biggest leap forward in human development since the invention of agriculture.
>>840534
Atomic Age is thanks to Murrica though.
>>841117
>implying splitting the atom has really made much of a difference to humanity's day to day lives
it may have shaken up the geopolitical landscape, but France is really the only country that uses atomic energy in large quantities.
Also, the atom would have been split without without America, just a decade later. All the theory was laid out long before anyone thought to build a bomb. If you really want to thank someone, thank all those German scientists who developed the theoretical groundwork.
>>840534
Agricultural revolution came from Sumeria. Sumeria is the most influential
>>841150
AI and automation will bring about the third great economic revolution.
America is leading this revolution.
>These Euro kiddies
Come back when you have an interplanetary hegemony.
>>841199
AlphaGo was made by a British company.
>>830625
Because there's more to an empire than conquering lots of land. The Mongols may have had a huge empire but their legacy is one of little more than destruction. They razed cities while Romans brought unheard of feats of architecture and engineering to their conquered provinces. They threw thousands of priceless scrolls and books into rivers while the British brought literacy to illiterate cultures. There's a reason why the legacy of the Romans and the British are still so strong in the world today, and why Mongolia is an irrelevant backwater nobody gives a shit about.
>>841225
Google isn't British
>>841223
lol I know right?
Then again this is supposed to be the greatest historical empire, not the unrivaled contemporary geopolitical juggernaut.
>>841225
That's probably why nobody ever heard of whatever that is.
>>830605
YFW San Mariners are more well off than Americans.
>>842080
>statistics work in favor of a micro-city state that has a population of less then 50,000
WOAH STOP THE PRESSES
>>842080
So is every country in Western Europe m8.
>>842101
Well except maybe England.
>>842104
>England
>France
>Portugal
>Spain
>>842115
>>842139
France is like 50% non-white so no thanks.
>>842148
What's America then, 500% non-white?
Portuguese empire
>>842051
the 'scientific revolution' isn't really a thing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_revolution#Contrary_views
>A closer study of Greek Philosophy and Greek Mathematics demonstrates that nearly all of the so-called revolutionary results of the so-called scientific revolution were in actuality restatements of ideas that were in many cases older than those of Aristotle and in nearly all cases at least as old as Archimedes. Aristotle even explicitly argues against some of the ideas that were demonstrated during the scientific revolution, such as heliocentrism.
>The basic ideas of the scientific method were well known to Archimedes and his contemporaries, as demonstrated in the well-known discovery of buoyancy. Atomism was first thought of by Leucippus and Democritus. This view of the scientific revolution reduces it to a period of relearning classical ideas that is very much an extension of the Renaissance.
galileo and copernicus were part of the Renaissance - i.e. all their ideas were continuations of arguments that had been ongoing since antiquity. It was just the fact that they had better technology, in the form of telescopes, not better methods, which allowed them to get to the truth.
The first truly revolutionary scientific advancement since antiquity came from Isaac Newton's works, especially gravity. It's kind of hard to understand the impact of newton because most people today don't realise how people thought about the world before him. Prior to Newton, god, or spirits, were a part of the everyday world. Spiritual forces were held to be the cause for everything that happened - even the aristocracy took things like witches and magic for granted. It was Newton who first proposed a mechanistic model of the universe. Copernicus might have been able to accurately chart the planets' orbits, but he still thought they were held in place by celestial spheres made of spiritual essence. It was Newton who started the idea of God the Watchmaker
>Not the Mongol empire
Britain and Rome were established powers who mostly just conquered tribes. With the Mongols, it was the other way round. That is incredibly based, when you look at the size of their empire.
>>842154
Pretty sure America is whiter then France.
>>832390
You can imagine the Swiss border-guardsman shitting himself looking out over that.
>>843530
>Britain and Rome were established powers who mostly just conquered tribes.
this meme really needs to die. Rome conquered Carthage, Greece, and the great powers of the east like Pontus and Egypt, and btfo the parthians on repeated occasions.
Britain, meanwhile, had to beat every other European power in order to be in position to conquer all those uncivilised tribes; specifically the Dutch, the French, the Spanish and the Russians (and the ottomans, although they weren't really much of a power by that point).
>>843745
Don't forget that Mongols fought declining Empires.
While Rome and Carthage were so evenly matched it was the slugfest of the period.
>>843745
>Carthage
One city
>Greece, Pontus, Egypt
Ah yes, the Diadochi, the result of Alexander the Great having no succession plan, thus weakening his empire. Greece and Egypt weren't Greece and Egypt as we know them by the time the Romans took over.
>Britain, meanwhile, had to beat every other European power in order to be in position to conquer all those uncivilised tribes
This is pure straw clutching. Using such logic, I could say that the Mongols beat the Turks and Arabs to the land that they conquered.
Who did Rome or Britain conquer who were as powerful as China or Persia?
>>843803
>Carthage.
>One city
Nigga, the Carthaginians had the same set up as Rome: a leading city-state republic supported by """"allies""""" who make up their """empires"""
Rome had the Socii, Carthage had the Puno-Libyans & the Colonists.
>>843790
The Mongols fought declining empires that were still better equipped, had bigger militaries and were more poweful on paper.
>>830518
>>843790
Mongols fought vs civilizations more advanced than them. Rome and Britain in general were more technologically advanced than their subjects. That the Mongols managed to cover more land than Rome, or expand more explosively than the British, on land instead of water no less, is pretty impressive.
>>843825
>on paper.
Congrats for validating me.
>>843853
More like you're grasping at straws again.
Britain was stronger than some American colonists on paper, yet they got their asses handed to them.
>>843864
I don't think you're fully aware of the titanic power struggles happening within the Eurasian world during the time of the Mongs.
Just take China's case
>Split into three
>Jin & Song have close to a century's worth of massive static war.
>Oh and their fighting rebels within their own lands btw alongside the main shitfights..
>>830551
Actually this America and Russia were the first global super powers. American Empire definitely.
>>843628
>France : 66M
>America : 300M
>>843896
So? Rome was split too and suffering from rampant corruption and civil wars, but they managed to hold against the Huns (though they did get their asses kicked by other barbarians later on).
Why couldn't not merely one, but 3 spheres of major civilizations, hold against the Mongol invasions?
>>843769
America is 73 % white.
>>843919
>The percentage of non-Hispanic white people in the U.S. population has reached an all-time low: 63%.
Go back to the 80s cracker, the world is turning beyond your flabby manlet ass
>>843947
"White Americans: 72.4%"
Try again, /pol/cuck.
>>843985
Too dumb for google? Stay bluepilled faggot.
>www.nydailynews.com/news/national/percecntage-non-hispanic-whites-hits-all-time-63-article-1.1371772
>>843896
>The Romans were better than the Mongols because they conquered a balkanised Greece
>The Mongols weren't better than the Romans because China was balkanised when they conquered it
>>844033
Yes, poor dumbdumb's grasping at straw-scented air at this point.
>Romeboos will never go away
Sigh...
>>844052
As a Chinese anti/his/tamine, I'm fine with some Romeboos and Britboos as long as they have the aspect of reason in them. Not this "hurr durr, muh glory of rome helps me forget im a dropout" garbage.
>>843803
Firstly, the mongols did defeat the arabs and turks multiple times.
Secondly, why is it 'clutching at straws' to point out that the British were able to conquer large portions of the globe only because they were able to defeat the armies and navies of other European powers?
>>843996
"White Americans: 72.4%"
>>844052
They're the same people who deny that their beloved empire stole Hellenic culture and justify the atrocities that Romans committed by saying "yeah b-b-but it was like 1000 years ago who cares everyone died back then they were still more cultured than everyone else"
>>844109
>www.nydailynews.com/news/national/percecntage-non-hispanic-whites-hits-all-time-63-article-1.1371772
>>844108
Because the point was that the lands Britain actually conquered weren't as impressive as what Genghis Khan achieved, especially given the huge technological differences between the two.
Most of the wars you mention took place in Europe, so nowhere near the lands Britain conquered.
>>844078
Yeah I like the Roman Empire, it's great and all, but holy fuck people are autistic over this shitty thing. I even had one Romeboo tell me that the Roman Empire invented fire and agriculture with a straight face. It's ridiculous.
>>844139
Straight face still might mean they were doing hard sature. I've fucked with people saying black people are the smartest race, and that everyone is descended from them. One of those is true, through phrased trollishly.
>>838503
stop speaking english if you don't like it desu
>>844123
"White Americans: 72.4%"
>>844147
>English
>a language that is literally more French and Latin then Germanic
>>844146
Yeah I know people can be kidding, but this guy is genuine. He's been doing it for years and will consistently praise the Roman Empire for being the pinnacle of human civilization whenever he can.
>>844033
>Balkanized Greece
>Greece
>A single entity
Wow, as if Macedon, the Achaian League, the Epirotes, and independent city states were supposed to be a single entity, you sure showed me anon.
>>843918
Because those three major spheres are in the same boat as China. Just fucking look at the clusterfuck that was 1200's Middle East
>Abbasid Collapse
>Turkics creating overnight princedoms & emirates following the collapse of the Abbasid and Seljuk rule.
>Khwarizmian Turkics bursting out of Khorasan and invading persia.
>Egypt being the only island of calm in the chaos of 1200's Islamdom.
>Crusaders.
There's an even less united front here than China.
And the Rus City States as powers are plain laughable, with the declining power of Kiev creating a power vacuum.
>>844158
yes, that doesn't affect anything.
aren't you trying a bit too hard?
>>844181
>that doesn't affect anything
Keep thinking that with your bastard French tongue.
>>843996
Hispanic isn't a race you fucking idiot. There's Mestizos, blacks, whites, etc.
>>838503
But most of Britain's North American possessions were won by defeating France in the Seven Years War.
>>843628
Is this what passes for bait nowadays?
>>832974
>including territory not held at the same time
>>843498
The scientific revolution isn't about heliocentrism or atomism for fuck's sake. It's about the scientific method, that is a way of thinking of the world and about truth: a purely mathematical universe, theoretical thinking, and experimentation. This was developed by mostly French and English thinkers starting in the 13th century. The revolution is also based on a few core concepts, like force and momentum in physics, the mathematical function, or the chemical element in chemistry to name a few examples (established by Buridan, Oresme, and Lavoisier respectively). None of this has anything to do with the Greeks or with the Renaissance.
>even the aristocracy took things like witches and magic for granted
Witchcraft was declared to be nothing but superstition by the Church in the 10th century.
>It was Newton who started the idea of God the Watchmaker
God the Watchmaker is a medieval concept popularised by scholastic logicians, pic related. Buridan (14th century) already gave a fully physical explanation of the planets' movements based on his discovery of the law of inertia (typically attributed to Newton but not actually discovered by him).
>>844934
You are retarded.
>>845068
France has something like 10% non-whites total, 15% maximum if you count Asians and everything. America has 13% blacks alone, and another 20% or so Hispanics.
>>845113
it's a meme you dip
>>845122
Maybe on /pol/ or /int/ or whatever shithole you people should stay in.
>>845122
Doesn't matter, he made a good post in this shithole thread.
>>845113
Hispanics aren't a race, you fucking mongoloid.
>>845199
Sure thing Pablo.
>>845204
>Pablo
Nice try, Memet.
>>845216
The joke is that I'm a Turk because... you assume I'm German?
>>844147
we speak american english not paki english
>>845223
The joke is that I'm a Hispanic because...you assume I'm Latino?
>>845278
No, because you're seriously pretending the tens of millions of Mexicans in America are white.
>>845304
Hispanic isn't a race.
Not all Hispanics are Mexicans.
Therefore your premise and argument fails.
>>830507
British empire
source: all of us speak british
>>845314
OK m8. Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are white. Hispanics are white. Detroit is white. Your president is white. I bet the French wish they could be as pristine white as America.
>>845350
I wish there was a way to just auto-hide all bong posts.
>>838503
>Rome
>Italian
>>845350
no we speak american english you idiot
>>845352
Pic related, 100% Indio and black non-white man
>>845356
Tip: der oben stehende Post war nicht von einer Bong
>>838503
so you're only an empire if you control part of the netherlands?
>>845352
Hispanics come in various races, you're just proving my point.
>>845399
yes
>>845379
Lel, literally the whitest man in Latin America and he still looks about as white as the average Arab.
>>845441
Are you being sarcastic because he looks as white as the average ethnic Kraut I've met
>>830603
Rofl, "great".
The first was bor from another empire that formed before and wrecked itself, only profiting over it...
The second conquered niggers and curryeaters using guns while getting shot with bows, as soon as an actual armed and organized revolt like the american indipendence war came up in fact they lost...
The third lasted for less than 50 years and about 50% of it's land was completely or almost unpopulated or frozen, deserts, ect...
Man, get your shit right.
>>845473
True, this is pretty much what "white" Americans look like.
You should just drop your confused obsession with race and admit you're second Brazil.
>>838503
I LOVE YOU
PRAISE THIS GUY
HE'S THE SAVOIR
>>845513
Sure thing, resident shitposter guy.
>>844127
>Most of the wars you mention took place in Europe, so nowhere near the lands Britain conquered.
this is just untrue. In the 18th century Britain fought France and other European colonial powers from the Americas to India.
>>845002
>The scientific revolution isn't about heliocentrism or atomism for fuck's sake.
>galileo and copernicus have nothing to do with the 'scientific revolution'
Really?
>It's about the scientific method,
the father of which is generally held to have been an Englishman, Francis Bacon, so were're back to where we started anyway.
>God the Watchmaker is a medieval concept popularised by scholastic logicians,
a claim for which I can find absolutely no evidence. The concept of god as an architect, rather than a watchmaker, was a common (and obvious) analogy, but that doesn't imply - and this is the key point - that he was an architect who no longer took a day-to-day role in running the universe. The watchmaker analogy implies a god who created the mechanism of the universe at the point of creation, and the just set it running and sat back. The central issue is the idea of a god who does not need to interfere in the natural world in order to keep everything running smoothly.
>Witchcraft was declared to be nothing but superstition by the Church in the 10th century.
which had more to do with the church's desire to keep its monopoly on spiritual power, and in any case didn't do anything to stop most people believing it. Even by the early 17th century, for example, James I of England was famous for his obsession with witches.
I'm not saying that newton was the first man to practice something resembling science as we know it today. I'm saying that he was the first person whose ideas actually had an impact on the culture at large (because his ideas went a whole lot further than anything his predecessors did, before you try to imply that it was a publicity issue). All through the middle ages and the time of Buridan, Oresme, (but not Lavoisier, who was 18th century), all through the rennaisance and the time of galileo and copernicus, traditional ideas about the spiritual forces directing the world remained in place. Then Newton comes along and the enlightenment starts.
>>845873
The Enlightenment didn't start with Newton, if anything it started with Descartes. What Newton did was apply Cartesian thought to one field and create a complete system for mechanics. And no the entirety of mankind up until Newton wasn't a bunch of idiots who believed in pixie fairies. Since Peter Abelard there was no point at which it wasn't commonly accepted that the universe can be understood logically and that the physical world can be described in purely physical terms, since that was already the position of Aristotle whose work was the foundation of scholastic thought. All the other elements of the scientific method fell into place during the 13th and 14th centuries with the exception of rigorous use of experimentation, which can most likely be attributed to Galileo. There is absolutely no difference in principle behind Buridan's laws of motions and Newton's, both describe motion in entirely physical terms, with no "spiritual forces" involved. The only difference is that Buridan never thought of mass being the source of gravity.
You really need to stop believing in the myth of everyone in the Middle Ages being retarded Monty Python tier shit-eating witch-burning peasants. Also try to set aside your obvious nationalistic bias.
>>845873
>>846142
BTW here is an excerpt from Buridan, tell me where you see anything about "spiritual forces":
>When a mover sets a body in motion he implants into it a certain impetus, that is, a certain force enabling a body to move in the direction in which the mover starts it, be it upwards, downwards, sidewards, or in a circle. The implanted impetus increases in the same ratio as the velocity. It is because of this impetus that a stone moves on after the thrower has ceased moving it. But because of the resistance of the air (and also because of the gravity of the stone) which strives to move it in the opposite direction to the motion caused by the impetus, the latter will weaken all the time. Therefore the motion of the stone will be gradually slower, and finally the impetus is so diminished or destroyed that the gravity of the stone prevails and moves the stone towards its natural place. In my opinion one can accept this explanation because the other explanations prove to be false whereas all phenomena agree with this one.
This excerpt defines both the modern concept of momentum and "Newton's" first law of motion: inertia. Buridan goes on to apply his concept to the movement of planets.
>>846142
>>846164
>You really need to stop believing in the myth of everyone in the Middle Ages being retarded Monty Python tier shit-eating witch-burning peasants.
and you really need to set aside your modern bias and realise that everybody - and I mean everybody - in pre-modern times believed in spiritual forces interacting with the everyday world. Only a very few of the intellectual elite, who are somewhat overrepresented in the histories given that they were generally the ones writing them, tried to explain things in more sophisticated terms. Everybody else really did believe in pixies, fairies, witches, etc, etc. The very fact that you see this as simply being idiotic, rather than being a different worldview, just shows how you little you understand.
>There is absolutely no difference in principle behind Buridan's laws of motions and Newton's
the main difference is that people actually listened to Newton. Probably because he actually worked out the maths for it and was able to offer proof instead of conjecture. As I've already said, Newton wasn't the first one to do any science, but he was the one whose work actually had a major impact on how people saw the world. Also, Buridan doesn't say anything about gravity as a force both drawing the stone to the earth and keeping the planets in their orbit, which was Newton's signature achievement.
>>847012
England's one and only achievement in all of history: that it happens to speak the same language as America.
>>846783
>Everybody else really did believe in pixies, fairies, witches, etc, etc.
Ridiculous nonsense. Find me any medieval writing from natural philosopher that takes any of those things seriously. Unless you're talking about uneducated peasants who take no part in scientific discourse, except superstition still exists to this day just like it always did, do you realise how many people believe in astrology for example?
>the main difference is that people actually listened to Newton
So now you're shifting your argument from "Newton was the first to do this", which is plainly false, to "nobody ever heard of all the other guys". Except that's once again completely wrong. Buridan may be obscure today, but he most certainly wasn't in his time. He lectured and wrote textbooks for the University of Paris, the European centre of learning for natural philosophy at the time, and his work spread far beyond that. In Germany the 14th century came to be referred to as "the Age of Buridan".
And again, Buridan was just an example. What you seem to attribute to Newton was nothing new even for Buridan, and the belief in a logical world understandable through reason was universally accepted among all natural philosophers of his time, and before that among all scholastic logicians since the 11th century, and before that already by the ancient Greeks.
>>847825
We know, but that's only incidental. If Britain were so great, Americans would never needed to cut ties, but unfortunately they were oppressed and exploited.
For a comparison, compare Brazil to Portugal. Right now nobody gives a shit about Portugal despite its former prestige, and politicians worldwide are paying attention to Brazil's advances. Remember that Britain is dying. Suicides are shooting through the roof, and the nobility is slowly going extinct. Eventually, nobody will give a shit about Britain either. This is what happens when pale monkeys forget about their religion, virtually the only thing that sustains a society of cucks, and this is coming from an atheist. Say hello to Muslim Britain.
>>838503
Am I supposed to assume no one else wanted all those resources and customers?
>>847825
The culture, the people, the land, the values of America are all mostly non-British and of non-British inspiration. That country basically appeared when settlers living on some British owned land got so frenchified they no longer wanted to be British. The English language is the only vaguely British thing about it.
>>830507
Define "greatest". In case you are mean size:
Roman Empire: Area 4.4 million km2
Macedonia Empire (Alexander the Great): Area 5 million km2
Japanese Empire: Area 7,4 million km2
Russian Empire: Area 21.8 million km2
Mongol Empire: Area 33 million km2
British Empire: Area 33,6 million km2
Also were a Babylon Empire and Carthage Empire and Egyptian Empire.
Greatest area of Roman Empire was after combination Roman Empire with Egyptian Empire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8C5NLfYdZaE
>>847859
Colonial empires are a consolation prize for countries unable to expand in Europe.
>>847872
America is most German and British not very French at all. France is a shitty country with a shitty culture don't try and degrade us by comparing us to France.
>>847879
This sounds like a bullshit excuse for countries that don't have Island privilege. Britain was lucky enough to not have worry about land invasion so could go around annexing vast mountains of new land adding new markets and access to new resources.
>>847881
Why are you talking about France? But since you mention it, America:
- is located on mostly French land (Louisiana)
- was founded by France (Lafayette, French intervention, Treaty of Paris)
- was built on French principles (French Enlightenment)
- even the few English institutions it has are French (Magna Carta, common law)
- is dominated by a French religion (Calvinism)
- its capital was built by a Frenchman (L'Enfant)
- is represented worldwide by a French symbol (Statue of Liberty)
etc.
The only English thing it has is the language, and even that is 2/3 French.
>France is a shitty country with a shitty culture don't try and degrade us by comparing us to France.
Hating your father the way you do is petulant but quite common.
>>847887
Nobody goes to the other end of the world to conquer some malaria-infested swamp unless they're completely cockblocked in the civilised world. Spain started colonising after it finished its Reconquista and it couldn't expand North because France. England started right after it lost Calais, and with it all hope of ever holding land in Europe again. France only started for real after Napoleon was defeated and the treaty of Vienna system prevented it from conquering any more land in Europe. And Prussia only started after it had finished taking over Germany and it was restricted in its European ambitions.
Colonies are always, always second choice. Whenever a country has the possibility to expand in Europe, it will expand in Europe and ignore any colonial endeavours.
>>847845
>>847872
But to call the language incidental is to forget the broader picture, British influence in the early history of America (establishing settlements, founding fathers having British lineage, the effect of Magna Carta on the Constitution etc) cannot be denied anymore than the influence of Norman culture in early England. The US has grown to overtake Britain as a superpower and it has its own, unique American culture, but that doesn't mean that we can ignore the fact that American history can be traced back to the colonies of the British Empire.
>>848075
If that's the case, we're really all Africans.
Nobody with reason denies British influence, but the idea of America is vital and distinct on its own, without having to rely on British heritage, opposite from the vein Argentina seems to sometimes believe it's European, or how Flips think they're important.
>>848087
I should have split the sentence into two, that's what I get for waking up without coffee.
An empire is a government that includes two or more largely separate societies.
Greatness is a state of accomplishment that brings something to a tier higher than it might be expected to be.
A great empire is a government that harmonizes several societies into an international order the whole of which is greater than the sum of its parts and doesn't need to reduce the difference between the societies in order to survive.
The Achaemenid dynasty did not have a whole greater than the sum of its parts because most of the subjects were foreigners and theoretically would have only been stronger if it was from Mesopotamia.
The British Empire had to reduce the difference between the societies because that's the only way they knew how to colonize, and colonialism was the only way they knew how to conquer.
The Roman and Mongol empires, however, fit these criteria.
>>847881
>America German.
Kek
Maybe to suit some Fachism desires...
Learn your history Amerifat...
Most american german names are actually jewish, and when they arrived on american soil they weren't very fond of Germans desu.
You may as well say America is Italian...
>>830518
ITT: salty colonies
Rule Britania
>>848211
You must be joking
>>847878
Why are Macedonian or Roman Empires mentioned by area when the Achaemenid Persian Empire wasn't despite being larger then either?
>>848770
Not that moron you're replying to but your map doesn't account for population density and only shows the majority ancestry.
>>848870
Not that anon but that's obvious, because otherwise it would imply my state (Virginia) is majority black which it isn't.
>>848929
>virginia
kevin please
>>848946
>kevin
I don't get your meme
>>848929
Also Los Angeles county has a bigger population than the entirety of Montana, Wyoming, Nebraska and the Dakotas combined.
Ancient Finnish Empire.
>>837936
Good one.
Portuguese empire master race
>>832764
>>837936
kek, say what you like about Britain today, they can still bring the bants
>>830912
you forgot the French empire (just above the Russian Empire), but other than that not bad
>>830507
> why is it the Roman Empire?
loli slave girls
>>837936
>England
>Defeating France
Pick one.
Anglos were not present during the invasions of france; anglos did not flank Napoleon at Waterloo
The only people that can claim they have defeated France are the Prussians.
>>830518
Try again
>>843902
That was Spain.and in a lesser degree the portuguese.
>>848770
What is American ethnicity? Like Native Americans or what?
>>855376
They just have the census bureau ask people what their ethnicity is, and some of the Rednecks answer "American, you filthy pinko!!!!!"
>>838503
Temporarily occupying neighbouring lands vs. actually developing nations.
>>848087
Ah I see what you mean now
>>854445
I'm not saying England defeated France on their own but I think there was a bit more to the Napoleonic wars than the Battle of Paris and Waterloo. Think of the resources drain of the Peninsula or the massive loss of men in Russia. Prussia was only at war with France for four out of those twelve years. At Waterloo one army could not have won without the other, I don't know why some people have to call it either a British victory or a Prussian victory, it was an allied effort.
>>830518
HON HON HON HON HON HON HON
Va t'faire enculer
>>830551
>t-the moon is ours, we went on vacation there a couple of times!
american logic
>>838140
R E K T
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>>856779
>w-we had an empire once!
britfat logic
>>840526
I recognize that armor, Sebastião a shit
>>856789
India > Big Space Rock
>>856789
not even perfidious, there are more countries in the world apart from yours and your inbred daddy.
>>856798
What if I threw that big space rock at India? There would be more of the rock left than of India.
>>856798
>>856802
We know.
>>856848
>get called out
>use /pol/ boogeyman
Typical apologist shitposter behavior.
>>856845
>nobases.org
I find it ironic that they have one of the best collections of US bases.
>>856831
>implying America owns Europe
>Americunt doesn't know what a sphere of influence is
>>856894
You're right, Russia does.
>>856900
Kek. They dissolved the Soviet Union remember? Or is American education just that bad?
