Since when did entertainment industries the world over(?) started paying their actors/actresses shitloads?
Looking at history, they seem to be either looked down on (Romans), lived as poor roving entertainers, or lived normal lives despite fame.
But nowadays in countries like the USA, they get paid shitloads of money.
>>822498
>Since when did entertainment industries the world over(?) started paying their actors/actresses shitloads?
Since movies started being billion dollar affairs.
>>822498
>Nel Gwyn
Since Jews control Hollywood
When film came along it allowed actors to expand their audience beyond the people directly in the room with them (like in theatre).
So the popularization of film allowed for actors to become famous. For some reason people are more likely to see a movie if it has a famous person in it. This makes the famous person valuable and enables them to demand shitloads of money.
>>822498
Any liberalism is the doctrine of rendering hedonism moral, for the masses, which implies having institutions supporting this doctrine. Once you turn the leisure into an institution, you get at least the entertainment industry with idols to promote it.
The problem of hedonism is that explicit hedonism is frowned upon, because explicit hedonism reminds people that the are animals (which sucks for the hedonists, because any hedonist takes pleasures in thinking that he is less hedonistic than what he is; the hedonist likes to think that he is an animal only a small amount of time (because he loves violating some dummy rules (rules that he invented himself to come even more when he violates them ---but if you violate them constantly, you get bored. Boredom is the ultimate enemy of the hedonist)).
So the you must drape hedonism. Into what ?
This means, in liberal doctrines, that you explicitly blend hedonism, which is always personal, egotistic, with a manifest lack of narcissism (without destroying the egotism!).
the lack of narcissism is fake of course: it is the whole point.
This is why celebrities talk about children in africa and other events that women love to dwell on (women are the most hedonistic creatures on earth, with men feeding their hedonism, because men are too impotent to do anything else in their life).
This is how Leo get his oscar. the sure way to get an oscar is to be famously involved into some trendy cause and to act.
in passing, Narcissism is not egotism. Narcissism means that you limit your definition of self to what you are conscious. Egotism is that you take seriously what you feel and think, to the point of claiming that the notion of self makes sense and deciding to think, speak, act on this. Of course, you seek pleasant thoughts, words, actions and avoid unpleasing ones.
>>822596
before the renaissance, the aristocrats where surely living for pleasures, but the notion personal identity mattered less than today, since the aristocrats had duties, therefore in opposition to hedonism.
The whole purpose of the liberalism is that the hedonism is separated from the duties. Bourgeois have no duties (the sole duty that they invented, for them and the plebs is to pay taxes), contrary to the nobles. This gets you a purer hedonism.
>>822596
>Into what ?
into what appeals to the plebs and is produced in mass. so the leisure industry, form tourism to music, to food and the blend of all the activities pleasing the senses.
>>822600
Top kek, almost all societies allowed for personal duties to be converted into money instead.
A) performances are no longer restricted to a single location, so the amount of tickets that can be sold on a single night has grown exponentially. Actors are more popular now than in the past, and there's way more money in the entertainment industry now in general, so of course the actors are going to be paid more.
B) the majority of actors still aren't paid shit. For 95% of actors, acting alone is not a viable way to make a living. Most have day jobs. And for the 5% who are full time actors, only maybe 5% of them are actually rich from acting. In any profession, no matter how niche or insignificant, you'll usually find that the top fraction of people in that profession are making bank. This is true a thousandfold when that profession is a major part of a global, multi-billion dollar industry.
>>822506
This. Everybody else is just rambling on
>>822506
This. It's incredibly obvious. Stupid thread. Sage.
>>822498
globalization and masses.
without one of those none of this was possible
>>822498
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well deary..since the world now knows how to use entertainment for their own benefit to brainwash people and keep them under control. :)
>>822498
this is obvious
a theater without microphones seats a few 100
movies can be shown to millions
there is a second duty that the liberals and libertarians have invented: putting your children in some school mandated by them, otherwise they menace to take your children away and give them to people who will make sure that your children will attend the suitable school.
this is standard in any doctrine, since education is the crucial point of the prosperity of the proponents of any doctrine.
before, there was the military draft too, but liberals hate this one. Military duty is really for the nobles, not the bourgeois.
>>822498
Actors were only looked down upon in Greece and Rome because they were essentially seen as "liars", since their job was to pretend to be someone else entirely. They saw that as the opposite of virtuous, yadda yadda, despite enjoying the actual performances anyway.
>>822975
Liberals and libertarians are not the same thing. Libertarians wouldn't force a certain type of school with threats.
I know the words sound similar but they are completely different, sometimes they overlap and sometimes they clash.
>Liberty= freedom
>Liberal=equality
Supply and demand, chucklefuck.
>>822856
Being an Actor back before John Wayne was considered one of the most low end jobs along with garbage men.
>>822498
In the Roman period it was considered unmanly to handle money or the affairs of the Domus (household).
As a result all shopping and money were handled by the Domina of the household as part of her gendered role. Though this could be overridden by judicious power of the pater-familias (usually the eldest male) in dispute resolution within the family and with the rest of the polis.
Men were allowed to gamble with money because this was an expression of bravery. But bribery was considered cowardly and womanish precisely because worrying about money was beneath a man's courage.
They also handled lending and were counted among the creditors of Cicero. She had negotiated the transfer of her interest in the estate of Cluvius near the time of his death probably to free him from debt to her.
So since forever if we're stating with the Romans.
>>825612
What does this have to do with the compensation of entertainers.
>>824834
the classical and new liberalisms have the same principles, with the new liberalism being extended to more activities. the purpose of these doctrines and all the nuances possible between them is to exclude the non-liberal doctrines.
>>825857
what are you talking about
>>825612
No wonder the Romans went bankrupt.
>>822596
Explain the Leo part relating to hedonism in plain sentences?
