At what point in time does the Christian dominance over paganism become irreversible?
How the fuck did Christianity become the state religion of the Roman Empire?
Why did it (and Islam) grow so huge when the root Judaism has remained so comparatively minor?
Judaism is less universalist.
It's more exclusive, has a bunch of hard to follow rules, gets all ritualish
sand people felt more at home with a leader that was a pedophile like them.
>>787532
tbf joseph did marry a 13, possibly even 12 year-old.
Is that a castella cake?
>>787549
pedophilia means attraction to pre-pubescent children
13 year-olds are pubescent
>>787498
The Roman religion was already in decay, Christianity filled the void. There were other religions like Mithrism attempting to do just that.
In general societies tend to renounce their culture when they start falling apart.
So the point where it was irreversable that they would drop the Roman religion would have been long in the past relative to the popularity of Christianity.
A better question is why Christianity over the other religions.
>>787549
joseph wasn't a leader
>>787601
Oh yes, my mistake, how awful and close-minded of me. Having sex with a 12-13 year-old is completely different and far more moral than having sex with a 10-12 year-old. I must not have been thinking clearly, forgive me.
>>787498
>At what point in time does the Christian dominance over paganism become irreversible?
When it was built on codices and offered the advantages of literacy and access to a large corps of scribes. You can imagine that as an underlying, 'background' sort of example, but it's also the stated reason in some cases like the conversion of Iceland.
>How the fuck did Christianity become the state religion of the Roman Empire?
Hubs and spokes.
>>787654
He didn't have sex with her though
>>787661
only because god got to her first desu
>>787655
...where the fuck are they getting those data points from?
>>787679
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seshat_(project), IIRC. Surely not totally accurate but a sigmoid curve like for tech adoption is what you'd expect from a spreading process in a social network, so I don't doubt they at least have the broad strokes.
>>787498
>At what point in time does the Christian dominance over paganism become irreversible?
Probably around the 3rd/late 2nd century, when people basically lost faith in traditional Roman Paganism and began to embrace the eastern mystery cults, among which was Christianity, however Christianity probably wasn't irremovable or inevitable till around the 5th century when it just had too much momentum and to many converts to stop.
>How the fuck did Christianity become the state religion of the Roman Empire?
Constantine. In typical fashion of the day, Constantine saw a sign of God, won a battle, then made it illegal to persecute Christians. However it didn't become the official state Religion until Theodosius made it as such 50 years later, by that time the Empire was fairly Christianized, though pagans and pagan element were still prevalent.
>Why did it (and Islam) grow so huge when the root Judaism has remained so comparatively minor?
Mostly because Muslims set out to conquer the world and actually didn't do a half bad job at it, other than that, Islam was designed to rectify what many in some of the Eastern Christian and Jewish faiths saw as fundamental issues with those religions, so for those who were critical, Islam provided and answer. As for why Judaism stayed small. It was mostly an insular religion predicated on being a chosen race, and the Jews weren't really going around conquering anyone nor proselytizing their religion.
>>787606
>A better question is why Christianity over the other religions.
Not really hard, most people in the Roman Empire, and the middle east were poor agrarians with little social mobility and few rights. Christianity promised equality under the eyes of God and actively advocated for the poor and disenfranchised, which made it wildly popular with peasants and women, who were traditionally marginalized by society.
In essence Christianity was the communism of it's day.
>>787498
There was quite a large group of non-Jews who adopted Judaic culture in the Near East. Jewish xenophobia however disdained them and kept them apart, but Christianity welcomed them. They converted in droves not only because of their previous affinity for Judaic culture on top of the draw of having succeeded the Jews themselves as God's chosen.
Believing the messiah had come they spread across the Mediterranean to preach and martyr themselves in time for the end of the world, while the Jews tried to raise their own savior and got bodied by the Romans. So while the Jewish messianic drive dissipated as they were dispersed from Israel, the Christians kept theirs going long enough to catch converts every time the Roman world crumbled just a little more than last time. The Jews turned towards survival and lamenting their national tragedy while the Christians took off with never ending zeal.
>>787498
Judaism is not a missionary religion; it makes no effort to convert, and subsequently attracts few new followers (also it's arguably very exclusionary)
Notably, Christianity offered the masses (poor people) something to look forward to in the afterlife. This helped its popularity grow.
Christianity's universalism, bolstered it with the slaves and women of Rome whom were seduced by an idea that made victimhood the highest ideal, because who else would be seduced but the victims of nature?
If a man kills or dominates you, it's his fault for his victory not yours for your defeat.
This is the victim slave morality in full display, whom someone will be quick to call it edgy while hiding behind his computer screen because he is protected from the consequences of typing his words, like a woman.
>>787498
I love it how all these people just ignore the fact that Christians used the Roman state to destroy Paganism. Burning pagan libraries, banning from making sacrifices or constructing temples - on the pain of death and driving them out of the civil service.
>>788209
>I love how people ignore my fedora memes
>>788225
>Christian Rome wuz a gud boy he diddn do nuffin
>>787498
LOL
CHRISTIAN DOMINANCE.GEORGECASTANZA WHAT DID I JUST READ
CHRISTIAN DOMINANCE
LOL
WEEDS NOT EVEN LEGAL
L O L
>>787717
>Islam was designed to rectify what many in some of the Eastern Christian and Jewish faiths saw as fundamental issues with those religions
What issues are those?
>>787498
Islam spread throughout the Arabian peninsula through war and Muslims spread geographically through conquest as well but conversion to Islam happened mainly due to people wanting to retain their social status whenever Muslims came around/avoid taxes/gain access to their growing trade network.
>>787498
Mid-4th century. At the latest Theodosius' reign when the temples were closed.
>>787717
>and the Jews weren't really going around conquering anyone nor proselytizing their religion.
Canaanites would like a word
>>787654
Look, the truth is that marrying girls off as soon as they become pubescent was par for the course in most of the world for most of history. And if you think the average man can't find a 13 years old attractive, you must have been home schooled.
>>790997
In the Roman Empire it was only rich girls that got married young. Men got married in their 30s. Among the other 99% of the population it was mid-20s for both sexes. We have census data.
>>787508
>Judaism is less universalist.
>It's more exclusive
It's now, the sole branch that survived is exclusive. But things were quite different in antiquity.
>>791011
Yeah, but poor people didn't marry older due to moral reasons, they did it because their families weren't hyper-focused on finding a match for them and males had to earn enough of a living to maintain a family.
My point is, acting disgusted because some woman of antiquity got married at 13 is fucking stupid. Of all the shit you can throw at the abrahamic religions, you chose the most ridiculous turd.
>>791028
This.
This is a whole debate. A historical lecture that is hid within some of sociology's deepest mysteries. With the progress of time and civilization we have seen great civilizations grow and fall. In Babylon we see men preserving their histories. However we see these kings being worshipped as gods. these priests that slaughtered promising themselves a deity. We see the descendants of sumerians build themselves a society and build towers that touched the heavens. Then in egypt we see men using this same knowledge to enslave men. In the first temple we see men dying of the cold that shook them, when they saw history's deceit. And in Christianity we learned that God does not live solely in greatness, achievement, lavishness, or a stone. He lives through the community.
Pagans have always existed. Will always exist. However no pagan tribe is the same as the next. And for the most part pagans are called pagans because they had to pay. And ever since rome recognized the pagan by his/her corresponding name. Roman christianity has had dominance over it.
