why does hollywood always portray a dystopian and orwellian world if hitler won WW2?
>>782161
Because Orwell based his ideas on an extrapolation of wartime politics on all sides that the NSDAP would probably perpetuate into peace time?
>>782161
Because it was fucking miserable in Nazi Germany, and Hitler's dreams of the global reich weren't any brighter. Controlling what art you can create, constant propaganda, even something as petty as hair curlers could be out of your reach if deemed counterproductive to the war effot.
>>782161
Because Nazi Germany was dystopian and Orwellian, and people are generally myopic and extrapolate current trends into the far future.
Number 1?
The Jews run hollywood.
Number 2?
Nazi Germany was a totalitarian hellscape run by a lunatic
All the vile shit /pol/ brags about what they would do if they ever got power
>>782198
as miserable nazi germany was to live in, it was still miles better than soviet Russia
>>782287
in terms of living standards
>>782161
because that's exactly what it was?
read a book and stop taking /pol/ so seriously
>>782161
Because Nazi Germany was as close to being the Orwellian nightmare as the Germans could have possibly achieved at the time?
And Orwell based his nightmare largely on Germany's policies as well. I suppose my first point is a bit circular to my second point, but still. Nazi Germany was only a free country if you were a high ranking Nazi official or on Hitler's butter list. Everything was controlled and doled out by the state.
Dissenters to the regime were silenced and the population was conditioned to report anyone not following the rules directly to the state. Children were indoctrinated to report their parents should they say unpatriotic things.
Everything was closely supervised by the government and god help you should you violate a law. The penalties were often harsh, unfair, and quite permanent even for rather minor infractions.
If you think Nazi Germany would have become a better place after the war you're a fool. As long as you stayed between the lines you could live and even have a decent life. A decent little life in your box with people always looking into it making sure you're playing by the rules.
Unless of course you were an untermensch. In which case enjoy your life as a second class citizen where you're barred from high government or business positions, watched even closer than Germans, and where the penalties for infractions real or simply assumed are much much worse.
>>782208
Are those options? Because they're both true.
>>782208
>/pol/ loves a guy who invaded European countries and subjugated/ killed the people
/pol/ is extremely retarded.
>Third Reich had TWO different secret police agencies
>why does everyone portray them as Orwellian?
>>782291
Only because of their relative starting points. The soviets managed their economy better than the Nazis. That is really saying something.
The orwellian dystopias you usually see give the Nazis too much credit. If you want to live under the glorious reich your best bets today are Zimbabwe or North Korea.
>>782437
>Only two
That's way ahead of the curve for the Nazis.
>>782438
Zimbabwe isn't as stiffly regulated and militarised. It's just poor and shitty.
>>782408
I personally don't, since I want Eastern Europe alive and kicking. But I don't like multiculturalism/pc
>>782445
Oh, right. Forgot the Gestapo wasn't separate from the SS.
>the fuck you think the RSHA was you retard
I thought that was a different agency doing the same thing!
>>782287
> I don't understand what's so bad about eating a plate of human faeces every day, after all, there's a country in the world where they eat two plates!
Stellar argument you have there. If that was even your point, chances are you're just triggered by someone talking shit about shit.
>>782437
>Third Reich has two
>US has DOJ, DOD, DHS, FBI, NSA, and CIA
>>782482
>implying those are secret police
Words have meaning, and secret police doesn't just mean "dark and brooding government agency". The only one that comes close is the CIA, but they don't police the US.
Because hollywood is an act! A hyperbole of the all the shit one can dream of, think of, ponder of, or even see.
>>782490
Don't pay your taxes.
Then you can come and tell me how there's no secret police.
Hollywood is very jewy
most jews just can't appreciate the more positive aspects of national socialism
So that you have something to look at and laugh about to distract you from the dystopian, Orwellian country you live in now.
>>782198
>Controlling what art you can create
Why should people be allowed to create art that encourages immoral behavior?
>constant propaganda
Why shouldn't the state use it's power to encourage people to behave in ways that better the nation?
>even something as petty as hair curlers could be out of your reach if deemed counterproductive to the war effot
That's a temporary war-time measure. America had rationing.
>>782161
Hollywood has trouble with nuance.
>>783023
The IRS isn't a secret police
>>783166
>Why should people be allowed to create art that encourages immoral behavior?
Who deems behavior "immoral", anon? You?
It's kind of baffling since the normal people in nazi Germany just went on with their lives, yet in every movie they're Hitler saluting, yelling SIEG HEIL and talking about how many Jews they gassed today, meanwhile the streets are chock full of stern, angry gestapo officers beating up innocent civilians for looking at them weird, the weather is gloomy and there's always some depressing music playing.
I mean these movies don't give you an accurate "what if" view, they're just cartoonesque pulpshit entertainment for dumbasses. Might as well watch fucking Captain America.
>>783023
Pretty sure in Russia not paying taxes was at best gulags. Outright execution more common. Of course so goes the cause of a people willing to burn grain rather then allow it to be stolen from them.
Actually, find me any nation that doesn't go after you if you don't pay taxes
[spoiler]and I will find you a cuck[/spoiler]
>>783196
They had some impressive rallies. Even if they bribed / intimidated people to go it still was a massive turnout
>>782161
Jews
>>783198
I don't think you were just immediately shot for not paying your taxes in Soviet Russia.
>>783179
Nature.
>>783243
Depends on what time we're talking about and just how you go about the tax evasion. If it's something more passive that could be portrayed as an accident, and it's a less strenous time (like in between the purges and five year plans), you'd probably get off with "just" a gulag sentence.
You're thoroughly fucked if you're being belligerent about it in Stalinist Russia, though. They even executed engineers for things as petty as a single failed design.
>>782482
>seriously comparing intelligence and police agencies to roving bands of merry men rounding up and murdering undesirables
I can't tell if you're a stormfag or just one of the crazy libertarians that make the rest of us look retarded.
>>783262
man, and I really liked the aesthetics of the gadsden flag too.
>>783267
I really do like the flag, even if it has been associated more recently with the crazies.
>>783274
That's the nature of flags.
>>783263
Tell that to your commissar. His boss will killl him if he does not kill you. The work is just murder.
Even if Hitler did win, would he really have been able to control and lock down all of Western and Eastern Europe, America, and any colonies he fancied as part of the peace deal?
What the fuck is a nationalist doing annexing a bunch of troublesome patriotic minorities anyways? For someone who trumpeted Bismark to the high heavens he didn't take much of his career to heart.
>>782482
>police
>>783166
>Why should people be allowed to create art that encourages immoral behavior?
Because art is about creativity and self-expression, not about conforming to a completely subjective societal structure which is subjectively characterized as "moral". To force all art to conform to a certain idea is not art.
>Why shouldn't the state use it's power to encourage people to behave in ways that better the nation?
Because nothing that the Nazis did was beneficial for Germany in the long run. Their economic policy was entirely constructed to fight a war they could not win, and if they did not fight this war then the entire economy would collapse. Over 8% of all Germans were killed in the conflict, and a third of the country was left under Communist rule by the end. The state wasn't encouraging people to act in it's best interests, they were forcing people under the threat of forced labour or death to conform to an ideology which caused more destruction than Germany had ever seen since 1648, 300 years earlier, and which fundamentally destroyed the culture of a third of Germany over the course of the 35 years following the war.
>Nature
Natural law does not make sense because there is absolutely no reason why Darwinism should be applied to ethics or morality.
