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I know claims of Nazi occultism are typically sensationalist and very /x/ related, but I've heard so much about Nazi occultism I thought I might as well ask better read (if at all) imageboard "historians"
Were there any true claims to Nazism, Hitler, and occultism? Was there something spiritual (for lack of a better word) about Nazism, or was it mainly a materialist political movement?
>>782007
It existed but wasn't taken nearly as seriously, the idea is more commonly used now thanks to Indiana Jones more than anything.
I don't think Hitler himself ever put much stock into Occultism (or religion of any sort). It was mostly a few other Nazis, but it never became a central part of the movement.
At least, I think so.
>>782007
Himmler was a nutjob who believed in all sorts of weird shit. Hitler loathed him for it and actively tried to undercut his projects. I can't seem to find it right now, but he mocks a lot of Himmler's Theosophy-based beliefs in an early speech.
>>782970
Wasn't Himmler really into Hinduism, if not a Hindu himself?
>>782007
Evola is to blame for a lot of it, after the SS hired him to hunt down Freemasons and he spread his sorcerer's ways wherever he went.
>>782007
Hitler wasn't much about occultism in the usual sense.
Himmler on the other hand was fucking crazy and influenced the SS in some ways related to that.
>>782979
Himmler and Savitri Devi both believed in Buddhism and that Tibet was the birthplace of the Aryans.
>>783030
>religion of peace
>>782007
That one movie, the Nazis were trying to get the ark of the covenant real bad.
check this shit out
http://www.causa-nostra.com/
>>783030
Hinduism isn't Buddhism.
>>782007
>Were there any true claims to Nazism, Hitler, and occultism?
The Thule Society (1918) does predate Hitler's political action (1919-onwards).
Before the Thule Society was, I would recommend looking up Ariosophy and Madam Blavatsky as occult precursors of race theory and believers of quite the insane shit:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ariosophy
On a somewhat more political, practical side, the Völkisch movement has earlier roots still, all the way back into the 19th Century
The Mein Kampf is dedicated to Dietrich Eckart, who was involved in the Thule Society even if not fully a member.
The thing is, even if Hitler was precociously identified by the Thule Society as a German messianic figure, the very one they were waiting for, Hitler is less the sorcerer certain moviemakers would like you to think, and more of a practical man with little patience for paganism and mysticism. The so-called Positive Christianity would have been ideal for Hitler, as opposed to start over.
The Thule Society dissolved before 1930, but the various figures mentioned so far in the thread (Evola, Savitri Devi, Himmler) would continue.
Himmler and others founded the Ahnenerbe in 1935, which did all manner of crazy archaeological expeditions driven by that man's obsession with occultism and race, which include the expedition to Tibet. Hitler was well aware of the funding the institute received.
Evola and Savitri Devi kept writing long after WW2.
The Occult Roots of Nazism by Nicholas Goodrick-Clarke connects the dots all the way to 1935
>>785173
Again on the subject of Hitler himself, Mattias Gardell writes:
In documentaries portraying the Third Reich, Hitler is cast as a master magician; these documentaries typically include scenes in which Hitler is speaking at huge mass meetings. [...] Cuts mix Hitler screaming with regiments marching under the sign of the swastika. Instead of providing a translation of his verbal crescendos, the sequence is overlaid with a speaker talking about something different. All this combines to demonize Hitler as an evil wizard spellbinding an unwitting German people to become his zombified servants until they are liberated from the spell by the Allied victory after which, suddenly, there were no German Nazis left among the populace. How convenient it would be if this image were correct. National socialism could be defeated with garlic. Watchdog groups could be replaced with a few vampire killers, and resources being directed into anti-racist community programs could be directed at something else. [...]
The truth, however, is that millions of ordinary German workers, farmers and businessmen supported the national socialist program. [...] They were people who probably considered themselves good citizens, which is far more frightening than had they merely been demons.
Goodrick-Clarke dedicates an appendix of The Occult Roots to debunk some 60s-70s books who are full of similar sensationalist bullshit.
I understand /his/'s frustration with separating the bullshit from the truth on this particular subject.
>>785173
what about the hind German conspiracy form world war one with indian nationalism against the british?
there is a whole lot there that I plan to eventually look into but don't have time right now because of other historical areas
>>785168
Is buddhism not a subsection of Hinduism?
>>786319
No, you stupid mook. Buddhism is about as Hindu as Zoroastrianism was. They're merely responses to a corrupt, diseased, poo in the loo religion.
>>786338
Ironically, you're the actual stupid mook here. Buddhism and Hinduism both evolved from Brahminisn and contain many similarities.
Screw nazi occultism.
>>785173
>>786278
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu%E2%80%93German_Conspiracy_Trial
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berlin_Committee
The Berlin Committee was disbanded in 1918, but before that:
>Following the February Revolution in Russia in 1917, Pratap's Government is known to have corresponded with the nascent Soviet Government. In 1918, Pratap met the Russian leader Leon Trotsky in Petrograd before meeting the Kaiser in Berlin; he urged both to mobillise against British India.
So it's WWI history and we're dealing with socialists, but there's a very interesting connection with the Nazis, the Indische Legion:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Legion
However what would become the "Indian Volunteer Legion of the Waffen-SS" is 1942-1945 material.
Before that, the Indian National Army was the most famous and successful force to fight with the Axis, it was also established in '42.
Connecting the Berlin Committee with the SS is difficult for two reasons:
- in its last days the Berlin Committee contacted Trotsky and the Communists
- there's a 24 year gap to fill between the end of the Berlin Committee and the rise of respected, pro-Axis fighting forces made of Hindus in both Europe and India
One of the Germans listed in the people involved with the Hindu-German Conspiracy is Franz von Papen.
>Papen, believing that Hitler could be controlled once he was in the government, who persuaded Hindenburg to appoint Hitler as Chancellor in a cabinet not under Nazi Party domination. However, Papen and his allies were quickly marginalized by Hitler and he left the government after the Night of the Long Knives, during which some of his confidantes were killed by the Nazis.
All other Germans I could find didn't really like Hitler, Werner Otto von Hentig criticized the Nazis and their anti-semitic riots.
Another is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_von_Niedermayer
A superspy, friend of Himmler, arrested and charged with advocating defeatism, not released until WW2 was over.
>>788911
To sum things up, I would say that:
0. The British Indian Army was ordered to fight on the Western Front in WWI. If pacifism is enough of a big deal to Hinduism, it's easy to imagine some Hindus resenting the British for this.
1. High-ranking Germans were sympathetic to Hindu dreams of independence well before the Third Reich existed, and cooperated with Hindus living in Germany @ the Berlin Commitee. This would culminate into the Hindu-German conspiracy.
2. This Hindu-German sympathy is bipartisan: the would-be communists would see the Hindus as a poor, oppressed people and the British as their capitalist exploiters, the would-be nazis could also see them as a people in need of self-determination that shares their Aryan ancestry and possibly even their destiny.
3. This sympathy is also independent from occultism and race ideals.
4. Race would become a factor as soon as the SS researchers on culture and race get their hands on the Vedas and start looking Eastward.
5. Things really go occult when Evola, Himmler and ultimately Savitri Devi, who spied the Allies in India, introduce Eastern religious concepts to the nazis, beginning with the cycles of history (i.e. Kali-Yuga, etc.).
>>782007
mein kampf was dedicated to occultists
hitler was trained in his oratory skills by a occultists
the majority of the high ranking members in nazi germany where occultists
>Thule society
theire beliefs are tied into "racial sciences" and the idea of the aryan race
its membership list reads like a Who's Who of early Nazi sympathizers and leading figures in Munich
