If the Nazis waited 2 of 3 years would they have been in a better situation. I know Italy would have been more ready for war and not sure on the Japanese.
>>753646
If the Nazis waited, their economy would collapse under the debt that Hitler made.
>>753646
The Soviet Union was growing unbelievably fast pre world war, the five years plans really worked, in contrast to hitlers four year plan. Nazi Germany only grew because they borrowed super vast amounts of money, and basically they would have been fucked.
It was too late. Germany was basically fucked the second Bismack was deposed by the much less rational and more hostile Kaiser.
Hitler knew about the A bomb, that is why he rushed into war.
>>753722
t. Bismark
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>>753646
The question is if waiting two or three years would have been sustainable with the same spending as in the previous years, that inflationary military buildup MEFO bubble would have to burst sooner or later.
Also remember that after Munich, even the western allies ramped up their rearmament programmes. Then there is the Soviet Union, for whom any amount of extra time is a massive boon - they have already caused Barbarossa to fail while still suffering from the pyrrhic victory of the Winter War and the purges, three years down the road their officer corps will have recovered significantly and they will field thousands more T-34 tanks.
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>>753699
Complete misrepresenting the debt situation. He racked up massive amount of internal debt but actually payed off the external debt.
Similar situation to modern Japan that has a debt of like 250% of GPD but have still not completely collapsed because it's mostly internal debt.
Their main problem was no gold or foreign reserve so difficult trade situation but it was in no way gonna completely collapse.
That's just a modern maymay by "historians" who can't bear to give any credit at all to the germans.
There was no way for Germany to win, no matter how much Hitler waited, or how early he had went.
The best outcome for Germany would've been to just not start any war at all, and instead focus their manpower and industry on producing wealth instead of a military and weapons to destroy wealth.
>>754192
The best way for Germany to win was to play the waiting game, let the allies fear of gommies grow large enough for them to allow him to annex Poland and then duke it out with Stalin with the backing of all the capitalist countries. That's a long shot tho.
>>754146
Germany had liquidity problems already in 1938, temporarily stave off by the seizure of Austrian and Czechoslovak gold reserves. In early 1939 they enacted mandatory exchange of state payments to private companies into tax cuts. They were clearly running out of money.
No, it wasn't Japan. It was like Greece, only far worse. Only war and associated plunder of occupied territories saved Germany from economic collapse.
>>754146
I'm not saying it would collapse, I'm just saying the growth was due to borrowing, not actual independent sustainable growth. Wether it be internal or external doesn't matter. I'm not talking about the dept, just that they wouldn't continue growing this fast, people only have so much money to lend out.
Despite all of Hitlers blustering he realized that Germany had the resources and manpower to invest in an Army, Navy or large industry. Hitler, chose to invest a small amount in the industry but to put the majority in the Army, anticipating that the Blitzkrieg strategy would be enough to seize the industry of France, Britain and Russia before the economy failed, which it started to show signs of by 1939.
If he had waited it is most likely that the Soviet Union would have surpassed them in terms of power and that France and Britain would have time to build up their largely WW1 armies and industries.
If he had gone earlier the German army would not be in the position to perform competent Blitzkrieg strategies in Eastern Europe and France.
Basically any way Hitler was fucked.
Hitler should have taken Moscow.
>>753646
Considering everybody else was arming themselves, and Germany was broke and was headed toward hyperinflation and economic crisis, they were probably not better off waiting 2 years if their goal is to win a war against France and Russia.
>>755102
And left a gap in the frontline? That's smart.
>>754146
They had no foreign currency to pay for imports, and no credit. Because everything they were making was either weapons or things that would later make weapons, they could not sell shit on the international market to get more foreign currency. Without foreign currency, how would Germany buy rubber, tin, oil, bauxite, iron, tungsten, and other crucial strategic material they could not extract from its own soil?
>>753667
Adam Tooze please go. The German economy had never been better, but goy sycophants can't admit that.
>>753646
If Nazis waited 10 years they could have invented nukes and blasted Stalin all the way to hell and ransomed Britain for every single demand they had.
>Signs of economic collapse
Sure buddy, Germany was going to just collapse out of nowhere
>>754671
It it was very much like Japan and nothing at all like Greece. Highly skilled workforce, high-tech industry. Except unlike Japan they actually have some natural resources.
Just look at how quickly Germany recovered after the war despite things like steel import restrictions being in effect till 48.
>no guys those historians studying Germany economy are dumb shills, Germany was #1 and THE BEST and had no problems at all because I say so!
>>754764
>France and Britain would have time to build up their largely WW1
their "largely WW1" armies were more mechanized and motorized than the German army, also fielded armored and mechanized divisions, fielded more tanks than the Germans, and deployed several better tank models than the Germans
>>756249
Equipment wise France was above Germany but French government was very stubborn and did not want to accept the new entirely mobile warfare purposed by their generals such as De Gaulle, they even wrote books about it which ironically Germans read while developing their strategy. So while French tanks and equipment were better than their German counter-parts, they were not more mechanized and motorized than the German yarmy.
>>756265
your last sentence is a non sequitur
that the french doctrines were not the same or worse than the german ones says literally nothing about the state and number of equipment
and the state and number of equipment of the French was that it was more mechanized and motorized than the Germans whose infantry divisions relied in the vast majority on horse transport and not trucks
let alone the British whose BEF was entirely moto/mech
>>755565
>implying this shit isn't an endemic part of capitalism
>>756276
Their doctrines were still ww1 like with mixed infantry and tank divisions, as well as strategy based on trench defence.
>>756279
i don't really know what you are trying to say
definitely not as a reply to my post
please try to be coherent
did you know that the french deployed several armored divisions during the fall of france?
